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We are an offshoot of the Above the Law legal blog. But we are focused on the challenges women, people of color, LGBTQIA, and other diverse populations face in the legal industry.
Let's be real -- it can suck out there. So we want to create a space where our community can come together share stories, find support and devise strategies.

Our name comes from none other than the Notorious Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the jabot (decorative collar) she wears when delivering dissents from the bench. It's a reminder that --even when we aren't winning, we're still a powerful force to be reckoned with.

The Jabo‪t‬ Kathryn Rubino at Above the Law

    • Philosophy
    • 5.0 • 21 Ratings

We are an offshoot of the Above the Law legal blog. But we are focused on the challenges women, people of color, LGBTQIA, and other diverse populations face in the legal industry.
Let's be real -- it can suck out there. So we want to create a space where our community can come together share stories, find support and devise strategies.

Our name comes from none other than the Notorious Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the jabot (decorative collar) she wears when delivering dissents from the bench. It's a reminder that --even when we aren't winning, we're still a powerful force to be reckoned with.

    Helping Biglaw Get Better About Diversity with Laura Leopard

    Helping Biglaw Get Better About Diversity with Laura Leopard

    Kathryn talks with Laura Leopard, founder, and CEO of Leopard Solutions. They talk about Leopard's recently rolled out ethnic diversity data in your law firm index and why it’s vital for the legal industry, they discuss the state of gender and ethnic diversity within the top 200 law firms in the US and the biggest takeaways from that work. They also talk about the newly launched Law Firm Transparency Directory and about transparency generally and why it’s so important to improve the legal industry. Laura also notes what data can raise a red flag for prospective employees — either from a law firm health perspective or something about a firm’s culture.
    Episode Resources
    Laura Leopard laura@leopardsolutions.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/lauraleopard/ 

    Episode Highlights Leopard Solutions and its place in the legal industry - 1:22 The driving force behind creating this company - 2:36 Law firms online for the first time - 3:34 The availability of data for more people - 4:00 What represents the data in the legal industry - 5:15 What’s going on in the industry - 7:22 How data is collected and what’s important - 9:25 Firms that are losing money - 11:53 It all begins and ends with data - 12:48 The lack of innovation and transparency - 14:22 Building diversity numbers - 16:21 Using data in a good way - 18:09 Having a good diversity score - 19:31 Women in law firms - 20:42 Transparency leads to better decisions - 23:31 Make recruiting more successful - 25:08 What would be a big red flag - 26:21 A more transparent data - 27:24
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    • 30 min
    Making the Legal Industry More Human with Leigh Vickery

    Making the Legal Industry More Human with Leigh Vickery

    Kathryn talks with Leigh Vickery about her work as Chief Strategy & Innovation Officer at LevelLegal. They discuss the ways the legal industry is changing as a result of COVID-19 and why this is a moment for innovation in the industry. They also delve into creating a culture of care as it applies to the legal industry and how things will be different under this model.
    Episode Resources
    Leigh Vickery carolyn@plat4orm.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/leighvickery/   
    Episode Highlights
    Making legal human - 4:55 About her work - 5:39 Improving efficiency - 7:20 Covid19 and the legal industry - 11:03 The importance of freedom - 24:27

    • 26 min
    Championing Latinx Causes with Anabel Rosa

    Championing Latinx Causes with Anabel Rosa

    Kathryn talks with the plaintiffs' attorney, Anabel Rosa, about her work fighting for Hispanic/Latinx causes in state and local governments. They talk about how her policy work dovetails with her legal career and why she recommends law school to those that care about social justice issues.
     
    Episode Resources
    Anabel Rosa arosa@farrin.com  https://www.farrin.com/attorney/anabel-rosa/   
    Episode Highlights
    What motivated Anabel to get started - 2:07 Being in Puerto Rico - 2:57 A poverty reduction program - 3:54 A success story - 5:23 She’s still learning - 11:11 Her working private practice - 14:21 How she loves her job - 24:11 She loves being an attorney - 27:33  
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    • 32 min
    Sexual Harassment Settlement That Could Change an Entire Industry with Molly J. Bowen and Julie Goldsmith Reiser

    Sexual Harassment Settlement That Could Change an Entire Industry with Molly J. Bowen and Julie Goldsmith Reiser

    Kathryn speaks with Molly J. Bowen and Julie Goldsmith Reiser of Cohen Milstein about their representation of Alphabet shareholders in a case over the company’s handing of sexual harassment claims that led to a $310 million settlement that’s been hailed as precedent-setting.
     
    Episode Resources
    https://www.cohenmilstein.com/professional/molly-j-bowen  https://www.cohenmilstein.com/professional/julie-g-reiser   
    Episode Highlights
    Violations of law - 2:01 The sexual harassment laws - 3:20 An evolving form of litigation - 5:49 Policies and procedures - 7:20 Making compensation decisions - 9:21 What addresses the settlement - 12:55 Hopes of the settlement - 13:46 The flip of mindset - 16:35 An industry typically male-dominated - 25:53 It is inspiring to fight for our clients - 27:32  
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    • 29 min
    Biglaw Firm's Latest Racial Equality Work with Eva J. Pulliam

    Biglaw Firm's Latest Racial Equality Work with Eva J. Pulliam

    Kathryn interviews Arent Fox partner Eva J. Pulliam about the firm's newly launched Center For Racial Equality. They chat about the creation of the Center and what motivated the firm to do so, the firm's role in racial equality, the goals of the Center, and which projects she is initially focused on.
     
    Episode Resources
    Eva Pulliam  eva.pulliam@arentfox.com  https://www.arentfox.com/attorneys/eva-pulliam   
    Episode Highlights
    The firm’s motivation about launching a Center for Racial Equality - 0:39 The firm’s work - 4:14 Top priorities of rights - 5:30 Partnering with organizations - 6:00 Hours for strategic planning - 9:08 It feels good to be able to do something - 10:30 The goal is to start something - 14:27 Developing a culture - 15:34 Programs that firms had initiated - 17:55 Biglaw’s role today - 21:14  
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    • 24 min
    The Lawyer Behind the Hollywood Inclusion Rider and Other Strategies for Workplace Diversity with Kalpana Kotagal

    The Lawyer Behind the Hollywood Inclusion Rider and Other Strategies for Workplace Diversity with Kalpana Kotagal

    Kathryn interviews Kalpana Kotagal, partner at Cohen Milstein and co-author of the Hollywood “Inclusion Rider” (made famous by Frances McDormand during her 2018 Oscars acceptance speech). They talk about strategies for diversity in the workplace and race and gender discrimination.
     
    Episode Resources
    kkotagal@cohenmilstein.com  https://www.cohenmilstein.com/professional/kalpana-kotagal#:~:text=Kalpana%20Kotagal%20is%20a%20Partner,Ms.   
    Episode Highlights
    The night of the Oscars - 1:07 Working behind the scenes for a while - 2:01 Diversifying the profession - 8:07 Access and inclusion issues - 9:42 How to use inclusion writers - 11:08 Increasing litigation in the law space - 27:03 What Big Law is doing about inclusion - 28:51 Pressure points - 29:25

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    • 31 min

Customer Reviews

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21 Ratings

ShadowDx 64 ,

Great podcast!

Kathryn is a great interviewer and she has a great rapport with her guests. Highly recommend.

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Great!

I love how much this show is able to find the things I never knew I wanted to know more about. My only complaint is that it does not come out frequently enough. I guess I’ll just have to be patient like waiting for a good book.

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Great podcast!

Very intriguing! I love their insights and people that they interview! I would highly recommend!

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