C3 Podcast: Active Shooter Incident Management

C3 Pathways

This C3 Pathways Podcast series discusses Active Shooter Incident Management (ASIM). The Podcast features instructors and special guests discussing key elements and challenges of Active Shooter Incident Management and the implications for law enforcement, fire, and EMS responders. The bad guy and the clock both kill innocent victims. Don't miss the opportunity to gain key insights that may help you save lives!

  1. 3d ago

    Ep 137: School Shootings - Training Together

    Schools rehearse lockdown drills. Law enforcement trains tactical response. Fire and EMS practice triage and transport. But how often do all of those groups train together? In this episode, host Bill Godfrey and NCIER instructors Kami Maertz and Brian Beechner break down what actually goes wrong when schools and public safety agencies each build their plans in isolation. The conversation covers: Why siloed training creates dangerous assumptions on both sides — schools assume law enforcement "just knows," and public safety assumes reunification will "just happen" An inverted-thinking exercise that flips the planning question: instead of asking what should go right, ask what you could do to guarantee failure — and work backward from there The communication gap that leaves students locked down for hours with no updates, no information, and no sense of whether they're safe Reunification logistics that most plans haven't accounted for — bus availability, accountability at every transition point, custody verification, separating children from the incident area, and campus size Public safety blind spots including outdated or incorrect school maps, missing master keys, and unlabeled rooms Why a "lockdown" on a playground, in a swimming pool, or inside a cafeteria doesn't look anything like a classroom lockdown — and plans need to reflect that The episode closes with one common thread: communication and integrated planning — done together, not in parallel. The School Safety and Violent Event Incident Management (SSAVEIM) course is designed to bring all of these entities to the same table. Learn more: https://ncier.org/ssaveim View this episode on YouTube at: https://youtu.be/rzFKsYDvip0 Like what you hear? Drop a review and subscribe to our Podcast Channel.  If you have questions, you can send them to info@c3pathways.com with “Podcast Question” in the subject line.  Check out our websites and learn more about C3 Pathways / NCIER by going to: https://www.c3pathways.com or https://www.ncier.org The Active Shooter Incident Management Podcast is owned by C3 Pathways and NCIER. None of the content presented may be copied, repurposed, or used without the owner’s prior consent.

    Ep 137: School Shootings - Training Together
  2. Jul 31

    Ep 136: Change...Why Is It So Hard?

    If you’ve ever tried to line up law enforcement, fire, EMS, 911, and schools around one ASIM plan, you know the real friction isn’t the curriculum; it’s everything around it. In this episode, Bill Godfrey, Kami Maertz, and Brian Beechner look at why ASIM training so often stalls out after the first class and how to design a program that actually sticks. They organize the problem into four buckets – policy, partners, training, and maintenance – and share what they’ve seen work across jurisdictions. They cover how to use inverted thinking (“let’s list all the ways this could go wrong”) to get honest engagement, why one joint policy anchored on the ASIM Checklist beats a stack of siloed SOPs, and how to build a tiered training plan for line personnel, first‑line supervisors, and incident managers. They also dig into the long game: roll‑call refreshers, integrating ASIM elements into everyday calls, budget planning over multiple years, and tapping emergency management and grants so the program doesn’t quietly fade. If you’re a chief, sheriff, fire/EMS leader, 911/PSAP director, emergency manager, or school/system leader charged with readiness, this conversation gives you a practical roadmap for moving beyond once‑a‑year classes to a sustainable ASIM capability. For questions or support with ASIM in your region, reach out to our team and we’ll talk through what makes sense for your agency mix and budget. Like what you hear? Drop a review and subscribe to our Podcast Channel.  If you have questions, you can send them to info@c3pathways.com with “Podcast Question” in the subject line.  Check out our websites and learn more about C3 Pathways / NCIER by going to: https://www.c3pathways.com or https://www.ncier.org The Active Shooter Incident Management Podcast is owned by C3 Pathways and NCIER. None of the content presented may be copied, repurposed, or used without the owner’s prior consent.

    Ep 136: Change...Why Is It So Hard?
  3. Jul 8

    Ep 135: Active Shooter Training Buyer's Guide - Leadership

    After thousands of active shooter exercises, we can tell which leaders actually sleep at night. They all did the same things to earn it, and it is not about tactics. It is about leadership.   This episode is the final part of the Active Shooter Training Buyer's Guide. Bill Godfrey, Jill McElwee, Billy Perry, and Ron Otterbacher break down what leaders have to own to make their organizations, and their partners, truly ready.   They discuss:    The difference between "I think we're ready" and "I know we're ready," and the hard work that closes the gap    Why readiness is preparedness, not just training: policies, procedures, funding, and a plan to maintain all of it    How training, exercises, and repetition each do a different job, and why leaders who confuse them stall out    Why your readiness depends on your partners, so if your mutual aid, fire, EMS, and dispatch aren't ready, neither are you   If you're a chief, sheriff, fire or EMS leader, emergency manager, or training officer, this episode gives you a practical guide to the leadership behind real active shooter preparedness, not just checking the exercise box.  View this episode on YouTube at: https://youtu.be/qnBdoWeM8_E Like what you hear? Drop a review and subscribe to our Podcast Channel.  If you have questions, you can send them to info@c3pathways.com with “Podcast Question” in the subject line.  Check out our websites and learn more about C3 Pathways / NCIER by going to: https://www.c3pathways.com or https://www.ncier.org The Active Shooter Incident Management Podcast is owned by C3 Pathways and NCIER. None of the content presented may be copied, repurposed, or used without the owner’s prior consent.

    Ep 135: Active Shooter Training Buyer's Guide - Leadership
  4. Jul 1

    Ep 134: Active Shooter Training Buyer's Guide - Integrated Response

    The biggest failures we see in active shooter incidents aren't at the doorway. They're between agencies that never really trained together. This episode of the Active Shooter Incident Management Podcast is Part 3 of the Active Shooter Training Buyer's Guide. Bill Godfrey, Ron Otterbacher, Jill McElwee, and Billy Perry dig into what integrated response training should look like across dispatch, police, fire, EMS, hospitals, and emergency management. They discuss: How integration really starts at the first 911 call Setting Realistic, Attainable, and Measurable (RAM) goals Getting everyone on a common playbook with the ASIM Checklist and one shared policy How emergency managers bridge the real "PPE": personalities, politics, and egos If you're a chief, sheriff, fire or EMS leader, emergency manager, or training officer, this episode gives you a practical guide for building real integrated response capability, not just checking the exercise box. View this episode on YouTube at: https://youtu.be/fkAkEo_NS_4 Like what you hear? Drop a review and subscribe to our Podcast Channel.  If you have questions, you can send them to info@c3pathways.com with “Podcast Question” in the subject line.  Check out our websites and learn more about C3 Pathways / NCIER by going to: https://www.c3pathways.com or https://www.ncier.org The Active Shooter Incident Management Podcast is owned by C3 Pathways and NCIER. None of the content presented may be copied, repurposed, or used without the owner’s prior consent.

    Ep 134: Active Shooter Training Buyer's Guide - Integrated Response
  5. Jun 24

    Ep 133: Active Shooter Training Buyer's Guide - Medical

    In Part 2 of our Active Shooter Training Buyer’s Guide, Bill Godfrey, Ron Otterbacher, Jill McElwee, and Billy Perry dig into what good medical / mass casualty training should include: per‑patient clocks, real triage instead of “closest to the door,” the loadmaster role in casualty collection points, and how to adapt training to your local EMS system.   They discuss:    • Why the biggest survival gap isn’t the gunfight, it’s medical care and triage    • How to think about the “clock” as per‑patient, based on wound location and physiology    • The current state of law enforcement medical training and realistic expectations    • How medical judgment up front changes who actually needs to move first    • Keeping drills in context: radios, movements, casualty collection points, and ambulance exchange points    • How to use after‑action and post‑mortem reports to keep raising your standard of care   If you’re selecting mass casualty or warm‑zone care training for your agency or region, this episode gives you a practical starting checklist for evaluating the medical side.  View this episode on YouTube at: https://youtu.be/tus68ab-uhU Like what you hear? Drop a review and subscribe to our Podcast Channel.  If you have questions, you can send them to info@c3pathways.com with “Podcast Question” in the subject line.  Check out our websites and learn more about C3 Pathways / NCIER by going to: https://www.c3pathways.com or https://www.ncier.org The Active Shooter Incident Management Podcast is owned by C3 Pathways and NCIER. None of the content presented may be copied, repurposed, or used without the owner’s prior consent.

    Ep 133: Active Shooter Training Buyer's Guide - Medical
  6. Jun 17

    Ep 132: Active Shooter Training Buyer's Guide - Tactical

    Too much active shooter tactical training starts and ends with a few officers making entry and neutralizing the shooter. The reality is that the clock, the wounded, fire, EMS, dispatch, detectives, and command all matter just as much. This episode of the Active Shooter Incident Management Podcast is Part 1 of a four‑part Active Shooter Training Buyer’s Guide. Today, Bill Godfrey, Ron Otterbacher, Jill McElwee, and Billy Perry dig into what proper tactical training should look like, so you can tell whether a course is covering the full problem or only the first few minutes. They discuss: Why training that starts and stops with neutralizing the shooter leaves serious gaps How the clock becomes a second enemy, and why “stage down the street until it’s over” no longer works The shift from older approaches (perimeter and wait for SWAT) to faster, integrated tactics after Columbine A three‑part test for tactics: traceable, vetted in real events or repeated training, and repeatable/teachable What fire and EMS need that isn’t medical: where to stand, where not to stand, how to move, doors, “the X,” and basic movement Why training has to be grounded in what is actually happening now (single shooters, exterior ambushes, approach hazards) How to break the big problem into smaller drills (Rescue Task Force, ambulance exchange points, casualty collection points, detectives) without losing the larger context The value of having dispatch and command involved, even when you’re “just” working the first arriving officers If you’re selecting, funding, or approving active shooter training, this episode gives you a starting checklist for what “good” looks like on the tactical side. View this episode on YouTube at: https://youtu.be/kOQ9m4qNHeQ Like what you hear? Drop a review and subscribe to our Podcast Channel.  If you have questions, you can send them to info@c3pathways.com with “Podcast Question” in the subject line.  Check out our websites and learn more about C3 Pathways / NCIER by going to: https://www.c3pathways.com or https://www.ncier.org The Active Shooter Incident Management Podcast is owned by C3 Pathways and NCIER. None of the content presented may be copied, repurposed, or used without the owner’s prior consent.

    Ep 132: Active Shooter Training  Buyer's Guide - Tactical
  7. Jun 5

    Ep 131: What's New in SSAVEIM

    When a violent event happens at a school, the response and the reunification that follows are not a school problem or a responder problem. They are one problem, and both sides have to solve it together. School Safety and Violent Event Incident Management (SSAVEIM) prepares them to solve it together, with particular attention to the reunification a violent event forces. In this episode of the Active Shooter Incident Management Podcast, Bill Godfrey and Kevin Nichols walk through the updated course. SSAVEIM brings schools, responders, and emergency management through lockdown, the public safety response, and the reunification that follows, which many school teams have never practiced. Schools see how responders will actually manage the incident, responders see everything reunification involves, and each side leaves knowing the parts of the other's job it had never seen. The biggest focus is the part that goes differently at a school: violent-event reunification. Because the building becomes a crime scene, reunification is forced offsite, with all the logistics and security that involves. SSAVEIM builds on the I Love U Guys Foundation's Standard Response Protocol and Standard Reunification Method, and concentrates on the violent-event reunification those programs do not cover. Both school-district and community emergency managers belong in the preparation, because a violent event surfaces a long list of plans that need updating. Bring SSAVEIM to your community: https://ncier.org/ssaveim?utm_source=sc More resources: https://ncier.org/research and https://ncier.org/blog View this episode on YouTube at: https://youtu.be/m7bfI_q4ve8 Like what you hear? Drop a review and subscribe to our Podcast Channel.  If you have questions, you can send them to info@c3pathways.com with “Podcast Question” in the subject line.  Check out our websites and learn more about C3 Pathways / NCIER by going to: https://www.c3pathways.com or https://www.ncier.org The Active Shooter Incident Management Podcast is owned by C3 Pathways and NCIER. None of the content presented may be copied, repurposed, or used without the owner’s prior consent.

    Ep 131: What's New in SSAVEIM
  8. Jun 4

    Ep 130: What's New in ASIM Advanced

    You cannot afford to wait for a real active shooter incident to find out how well your agencies coordinate. The updated Active Shooter Incident Management (ASIM) Advanced is where your agencies become one coordinated team, ready to run a real response together. In this episode of the Active Shooter Incident Management Podcast, Bill Godfrey and Kevin Nichols walk through what has changed in this three‑day course. Their focus is simple: give you a clearer view of how your teams performs when law enforcement, fire, EMS, dispatch, and command are all working together. They also discuss: New practical exercises that develop skills before running the full scenarios How the number and order of scenarios have changed so performance improves earlier and difficulty builds over time New content for emergency managers, public information officers, dispatch, intelligence, and aviation, including drone operations A special hazards block focused on active shooter incidents in healthcare environments New environments in the simulator, including a fully built‑out hospital, to practice those challenges in a live exercise setting Learn more about ASIM Advanced at: https://ncier.org/asim/advanced?utm_source=sc View this episode on YouTube at: https://youtu.be/xeKwv7HeHpw Like what you hear? Drop a review and subscribe to our Podcast Channel.  If you have questions, you can send them to info@c3pathways.com with “Podcast Question” in the subject line.  Check out our websites and learn more about C3 Pathways / NCIER by going to: https://www.c3pathways.com or https://www.ncier.org The Active Shooter Incident Management Podcast is owned by C3 Pathways and NCIER. None of the content presented may be copied, repurposed, or used without the owner’s prior consent.

    Ep 130: What's New in ASIM Advanced

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This C3 Pathways Podcast series discusses Active Shooter Incident Management (ASIM). The Podcast features instructors and special guests discussing key elements and challenges of Active Shooter Incident Management and the implications for law enforcement, fire, and EMS responders. The bad guy and the clock both kill innocent victims. Don't miss the opportunity to gain key insights that may help you save lives!

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