The Flip Side

Barclays Investment Bank

This podcast series features a lively debate between two of Barclays’ Research analysts taking opposing viewpoints on timely topics of importance to economies and businesses around the globe. By hearing arguments and insights on both sides, we hope you will come away with a greater understanding of the economic implications of sometimes polarizing issues. For more insights from our experts: https://www.ib.barclays Important content disclosures: https://www.ib.barclays/disclosures/important-content-disclosures.html

  1. 2d ago

    Physical AI: Wealth creation or economic displacement?

    Artificial intelligence is moving off the screen and into the real economy. For investors, that shifts the focus from software productivity to how labour, capital and markets themselves could be repriced. With machines, such as humanoid robots, increasingly taking on physical tasks, from driving and cleaning to providing healthcare, the question isn’t just how much productivity improves. It’s who benefits, how quickly economies adjust, and what gets disrupted along the way. In Episode 84 of The Flip Side, Global Head of Research Brad Rogoff and Head of FX & EM Macro Strategy Themos Fiotakis dig into that tension. On the one hand, history suggests that major technological shifts ultimately create wealth, expand output and spawn new industries. On the other, those transitions can be slow, uneven, and politically and economically destabilising, especially if labour displacement outpaces the ability of economies to adjust. The conversation moves from theory to markets. What does stronger productivity mean for equity returns? Could capital-intensive AI investment push up yields and debt issuance? And if adoption is uneven, which currencies benefit first? What emerges is a familiar “flip side” dynamic: the long-term story may be compelling, but the path to get there could be far more volatile than expected. Clients of the Investment Bank can read further analysis of these themes in ‘Embodied AI: Wealth creation or economic displacement?’ on Barclays Live.

    19 min
  2. Mar 9

    Should alternative asset managers be trading like software?

    Private credit has been a powerful growth engine for alternative asset managers, with business development corporations (BDCs) playing a central role. As AI adoption accelerates and software business models come under pressure, investors are concerned with how exposed these managers are to software and other tech-enabled business models that could be disrupted. In recent weeks, investors have sold down their positions, sending some alternative asset managers’ stock prices down roughly 25%. But is that selloff rational or not? In episode 81 of The Flip Side, Brad Rogoff, our Global Head of Research, is joined by Ben Budish, our Equity Research Analyst who covers US Brokers, Asset Managers and Exchanges, to debate whether the recent selloff was justified. They discuss why AI disruption has become a focal point for markets, how valuation frameworks for alternative managers amplify volatility, and where risks may be overstated versus structurally real. The conversation also explores what this means for future growth across private credit, private equity and insurance channels, and where differentiation may emerge after an indiscriminate selloff. Listeners can hear more on this topic on our sister podcast, Barclays Brief: Software: In the AI storm Clients of Barclays Investment Bank can read more on our view on equities with our latest reports on Barclays Live, including: Barclays HY Software Agentic AI Disruption Risk in FocusSoftware Is Not Dead, Just ChangingWidespread Exposure to Software Creates Uncertainty Important Content Disclosures

    12 min
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This podcast series features a lively debate between two of Barclays’ Research analysts taking opposing viewpoints on timely topics of importance to economies and businesses around the globe. By hearing arguments and insights on both sides, we hope you will come away with a greater understanding of the economic implications of sometimes polarizing issues. For more insights from our experts: https://www.ib.barclays Important content disclosures: https://www.ib.barclays/disclosures/important-content-disclosures.html

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