The EO Business Podcast

Linh Podetti

The EO Business Podcast is hosted by Linh Podetti, a member of the Entrepreneur's Organisation (EO) Sydney Chapter. We share the real stories of entrepreneurs, their challenges, and how they overcame them to achieve success in business and life. From the start-up phase to scaling up, exiting, and building generational wealth, we cover it all. Our community, @EntrepreneursOrganization (EO), has a global business network of over 18,000 influential business owners in more than 220 chapters across 76 countries. Our mission is to drive both business and personal growth through peer-to-peer learning, providing support for a holistic entrepreneurial experience that covers business, family, community, and personal aspects. The fortnightly episodes explore our Global Member's journeys, experiences, and insights on entrepreneurship, leadership, and business growth. Don't miss out on the chance to gain valuable knowledge and inspiration from the EO Business podcast.

  1. Ep. 180 - He Was Burnt Out for 20 Years… Then EOS Changed Everything | Adam Pontrelli

    14h ago

    Ep. 180 - He Was Burnt Out for 20 Years… Then EOS Changed Everything | Adam Pontrelli

    Guest: Adam Pontrelli, an EO Los Angeles member since 2012, Professional EOS Implementer® Host: Linh Podetti, an EO Sydney member since 2022, owner of Outsourcing Angel. Adam Pontrelli spent decades building a successful business, but behind the growth, he was carrying the weight of every major decision, every problem, and every pressure point. In this episode of the EO Business Podcast, hosted by Linh Podetti, Adam shares how founder burnout, sleepless nights, stress, and being stuck as the bottleneck in his own company led him to discover EOS, the Entrepreneurial Operating System. Adam opens up about the real cost of building a business that depends too heavily on the founder, why so many entrepreneurs struggle to let go, and how implementing EOS helped him create more structure, accountability, leadership alignment, and freedom. He also shares his journey through Entrepreneurs’ Organization, the personal growth that came from EO, and why he now helps other founders build businesses that support their lives — not consume them. In this episode, we talk about:  • Why being “the business” eventually burns founders out • The hidden symptoms of founder burnout • How EOS helps business owners create structure and accountability • Why the right people in the right seats matter • The difference between being good at something and running a business • How Adam built a company that no longer depended on him • Why business is only the vehicle, not the final goal • The role EO played in Adam’s growth as a leader, mentor, and entrepreneur Whether you’re an entrepreneur feeling trapped in your own business, a founder struggling to delegate, or a leader looking for more freedom and clarity, this conversation will challenge how you think about growth, success, and legacy. 🎧 Listen to more EO Business Podcast episodes for real stories from entrepreneurs building businesses with purpose, impact, and freedom. About Adam Pontrelli Adam is a fourth-generation entrepreneur and EOS Implementer who helps founders and leadership teams build stronger, more accountable businesses. After spending over 20 years building AP Worldwide Marketing, where he represented manufacturers and created sales channels through major retailers including Costco, Walmart, Target, Home Depot, and Amazon, Adam experienced firsthand the pressure of being the bottleneck in his own business. Through his 14-year journey with EO Los Angeles, including serving as Chapter President, Adam discovered the power of systems, leadership alignment, and the Entrepreneurial Operating System. Today, he works with privately held companies across Southern California and the Pacific Time Zone, helping founders create businesses that run better, scale smarter, and support the life they actually want to live. Connect with Adam Website: eosworldwide.com/adam-pontrelli LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/adampontrelli -------------------- ABOUT EO Entrepreneur's Organization (EO) is a global business network of 18,000 + influential business owners in over 220 chapters across 76 countries. We offer world-class events that encompass engaging entrepreneur and business stories, skills-specific workshops, and exciting social gatherings. Our mission is to drive both business and personal growth through peer-to-peer learning, providing support for the holistic entrepreneur experience covering business, family, community, and personal aspects. As a not-for-profit organization, all our funds directly contribute to member benefits. If you're a business owner with revenues ranging from US$250k to US$1m, you can join our Accelerator Program. If your revenues exceed US$1m, you can join the main EO Program in your nearest local chapter. To join or find out more about your nearest chapter, visit https://www.eonetwork.org/why-join/apply-for-membership-form. For further information, please contact: Podcast Host Linh Podetti: linh@outsourcingangel.com.au General Inquiries: support@eonetwork.org.au EO Sydney: www.eosydney.com.au EO Global: https://hub.eonetwork.org/

    37 min
  2. Ep. 179 - She Had the Dream Business… So Why Was She Burnt Out? | Natalya Berdikyan

    Jun 10

    Ep. 179 - She Had the Dream Business… So Why Was She Burnt Out? | Natalya Berdikyan

    Natalya Berdikyan had what many would call a successful life — international business experience, a chocolate factory in Belgium, and a thriving career. But behind the picture-perfect success, something felt misaligned. In this episode, Natalya shares her journey through entrepreneurial exhaustion and how it led her to create Life by Design Academy, where she now helps founders and leadership teams build energised, connected, high-performing businesses without burning out. A powerful conversation on redefining success, slowing down, and designing a life and business that truly support your wellbeing, relationships, and purpose. ABOUT NATALYA Natalya Berdikyan is the founder of Life by Design Academy, where she helps founders and leadership teams create energized, connected, high-performing businesses without burning out. With over two decades of international business experience, including running a chocolate factory in Belgium and helping launch EO Belgium, Natalya understands the pressure entrepreneurs face when success looks perfect on the outside but feels misaligned on the inside. After experiencing her own journey through entrepreneurial exhaustion, she now works globally as a holistic life and business coach, facilitator, speaker, and retreat leader. Through keynotes, workshops, coaching, and immersive retreats, Natalya guides entrepreneurs to redesign how they lead, work, and live, so business results, wellbeing, and meaningful relationships can grow together. CONNECT WITH NATALYA  Website: https://www.lifebydesign-academy.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natalyaberdikyan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/natalyaberdikyan/ -------------------- ABOUT EO Entrepreneur's Organization (EO) is a global business network of 18,000 + influential business owners in over 220 chapters across 76 countries. We offer world-class events that encompass engaging entrepreneur and business stories, skills-specific workshops, and exciting social gatherings. Our mission is to drive both business and personal growth through peer-to-peer learning, providing support for the holistic entrepreneur experience covering business, family, community, and personal aspects. As a not-for-profit organization, all our funds directly contribute to member benefits. If you're a business owner with revenues ranging from US$250k to US$1m, you can join our Accelerator Program. If your revenues exceed US$1m, you can join the main EO Program in your nearest local chapter. To join or find out more about your nearest chapter, visit https://www.eonetwork.org/why-join/apply-for-membership-form. For further information, please contact: Podcast Host Linh Podetti: linh@outsourcingangel.com.au General Inquiries: support@eonetwork.org.au EO Sydney: www.eosydney.com.au EO Global: https://hub.eonetwork.org/

    29 min
  3. Ep. 178 - The Hidden Cost of Success Every Entrepreneur Should Hear | Saahil Mehta

    May 26

    Ep. 178 - The Hidden Cost of Success Every Entrepreneur Should Hear | Saahil Mehta

    Guest: Saahil Mehta, Success Coach, EO Dubai Member since 2014 Host: Linh Podetti, EO Sydney Member since 2022 and Owner of Outsourcing Angel At 36, Saahil Mehta had everything he thought success should look like: a seven-figure net worth, a Porsche, a beautiful home, a wife, kids, and the freedom to travel. But behind the success, he was burning out. After a near-fatal car accident and hearing his wife say, “I don’t recognize you anymore,” Saahil began questioning what success really meant. In this episode of the EO Business Podcast, host Linh Podetti speaks with Saahil about redefining success, building businesses that do not depend on you, and creating a zero-regret life. They discuss burnout, business bottlenecks, family, health, purpose, and why true success must go beyond money and status. Subscribe for more real conversations with entrepreneurs from Entrepreneurs’ Organization. ABOUT SAAHIL Saahil Mehta is a conscious leadership coach, entrepreneur, speaker, and passionate mountaineer who helps ambitious leaders amplify their productivity, fulfillment, and impact without sacrificing their health, relationships, or personal wellbeing. Recognized as part of Dr. Marshall Goldsmith’s 100 Coaches, Saahil has coached and addressed leaders across organizations including HP, Dell, Bank of America, P&G, TATA Group, EO, and YPO. Through his work, he helps entrepreneurs break free from the clutter holding them back, redefine success on their own terms, and build zero-regret lives. Having scaled some of the world’s tallest mountains, including Mount Kilimanjaro, Mount Elbrus, Kala Patthar, and Chopicalqui, Saahil brings a unique perspective on resilience, clarity, and holistic success. CONNECT WITH SAAHIL Website: www.saahilmehta.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/saahilmehta/ IG: https://www.instagram.com/saahilmehtaofficial/ -------------------- ABOUT EO Entrepreneur's Organization (EO) is a global business network of 18,000 + influential business owners in over 220 chapters across 76 countries. We offer world-class events that encompass engaging entrepreneur and business stories, skills-specific workshops, and exciting social gatherings. Our mission is to drive both business and personal growth through peer-to-peer learning, providing support for the holistic entrepreneur experience covering business, family, community, and personal aspects. As a not-for-profit organization, all our funds directly contribute to member benefits. If you're a business owner with revenues ranging from US$250k to US$1m, you can join our Accelerator Program. If your revenues exceed US$1m, you can join the main EO Program in your nearest local chapter. To join or find out more about your nearest chapter, visit https://www.eonetwork.org/why-join/apply-for-membership-form. For further information, please contact: Podcast Host Linh Podetti: linh@outsourcingangel.com.au General Inquiries: support@eonetwork.org.au EO Sydney: www.eosydney.com.au EO Global: https://hub.eonetwork.org/

    39 min
  4. Ep. 177 - I Thought My Business Was Profitable… I Was Wrong | Tyson Grubb

    May 12

    Ep. 177 - I Thought My Business Was Profitable… I Was Wrong | Tyson Grubb

    Guest: Tyson Grubb, CEO of Instrument Choice, EO Adelaide Member since 2012 Host: Linh Podetti, EO Sydney Member since 2022 and Owner of Outsourcing Angel What if your business looks profitable… but actually isn’t? In this episode of the EO Business Podcast, Linh Podetti sits down with Tyson Grubb, Founder & CEO of Instrument Choice, an Australian e-commerce business specialising in scientific and measurement equipment. Tyson shares how he built a thriving online business in a niche industry—long before most people believed it was possible to sell these products online. But nine years into the journey, he discovered a critical mistake: he had been misreading his financials, and the business wasn’t as profitable as he thought. This episode is a powerful reminder that understanding your numbers isn’t optional—it’s essential. 🎙 In this episode, we cover: How Tyson built an e-commerce business from scratch in 2007Why most suppliers believed his business model wouldn’t workThe dangerous mistake of misreading financial statementsThe “0.1% rule” that transformed profitabilityHow small cost improvements compound over timeHiring scientists instead of salespeople to build truststaying ahead with digital marketing and AI ABOUT TYSON Tyson Grubb is the Founder and CEO of Instrument Choice, an Australian e-commerce business specialising in scientific and measurement equipment. Since launching the company in 2007, he has grown it into an eight-figure business serving everyone from university researchers to industry professionals across Australia. With a background in electronic engineering, Tyson built the company around a simple philosophy — “Just be helpful” — a mindset that has shaped its customer experience, culture, and long-term success. Outside of business, Tyson is a passionate entrepreneur, EO leader, mentor, “yuppy farmer,” and proud dad of two who believes success is about more than just numbers. CONNECT WITH TYSON Website: www.instrumentchoice.com.au LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyson-grubb-3a09b14/-------------------- ABOUT EO Entrepreneur's Organization (EO) is a global business network of 18,000 + influential business owners in over 220 chapters across 76 countries. We offer world-class events that encompass engaging entrepreneur and business stories, skills-specific workshops, and exciting social gatherings. Our mission is to drive both business and personal growth through peer-to-peer learning, providing support for the holistic entrepreneur experience covering business, family, community, and personal aspects. As a not-for-profit organization, all our funds directly contribute to member benefits. If you're a business owner with revenues ranging from US$250k to US$1m, you can join our Accelerator Program. If your revenues exceed US$1m, you can join the main EO Program in your nearest local chapter. To join or find out more about your nearest chapter, visit https://www.eonetwork.org/why-join/apply-for-membership-form. For further information, please contact: Podcast Host Linh Podetti: linh@outsourcingangel.com.au General Inquiries: support@eonetwork.org.au EO Sydney: www.eosydney.com.au EO Global: https://hub.eonetwork.org/

    35 min
  5. Ep. 176 - Michael Connelly | The Truth About Nonprofits No One Talks About

    Apr 29

    Ep. 176 - Michael Connelly | The Truth About Nonprofits No One Talks About

    Guest: Michael Connelly, Managing Director of CPR Group, EO Queensland Member since 2024 Host: Linh Podetti, EO Sydney Member since 2022 and Owner of Outsourcing Angel What if the biggest problem with nonprofits… is how they think about money? In this episode of the EO Business Podcast, Linh Podetti sits down with Michael Connelly, Managing Director of CPR Group, to unpack the truth about nonprofit business models — and why so many purpose-driven organisations struggle to grow. Michael shares his journey from starting a music school as a young entrepreneur to helping thousands of nonprofits become stronger, more sustainable businesses. From governance and strategy to mindset and leadership, this conversation is packed with practical insights for anyone building a purpose-driven organisation. You’ll also hear:   • Why “not for profit” doesn’t mean you shouldn’t make money   • The real reason nonprofits stay stuck in survival mode   • How to shift from doing everything yourself to true leadership   • The surprising human impact behind poorly run organisations   • Why Michael wants to “die with nothing in the tank” This episode is for entrepreneurs, leaders, and anyone who wants to build a business that creates real impact. ABOUT MICHAEL Michael Connelly is the Managing Director of CPR Group and a specialist in helping not-for-profits become stronger, more sustainable businesses. With nearly 30 years of experience, he works with councils, universities, and community organisations to improve governance, strategy, and performance. Passionate about purpose-driven impact, Michael is known for challenging the misconception that nonprofits shouldn’t make money, and for empowering leaders to think more entrepreneurially so they can better serve their communities. CONNECT WITH MICHAEL Website: https://cprgroup.com.au/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nfpmichael/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nfpmichael/ -------------------- ABOUT EO Entrepreneur's Organization (EO) is a global business network of 18,000 + influential business owners in over 220 chapters across 76 countries. We offer world-class events that encompass engaging entrepreneur and business stories, skills-specific workshops, and exciting social gatherings. Our mission is to drive both business and personal growth through peer-to-peer learning, providing support for the holistic entrepreneur experience covering business, family, community, and personal aspects. As a not-for-profit organization, all our funds directly contribute to member benefits. If you're a business owner with revenues ranging from US$250k to US$1m, you can join our Accelerator Program. If your revenues exceed US$1m, you can join the main EO Program in your nearest local chapter. To join or find out more about your nearest chapter, visit https://www.eonetwork.org/why-join/apply-for-membership-form. For further information, please contact: Podcast Host Linh Podetti: linh@outsourcingangel.com.au General Inquiries: support@eonetwork.org.au EO Sydney: www.eosydney.com.au EO Global: https://hub.eonetwork.org/

    46 min
  6. Ep. 175 - Building a Billion-Dollar Vision: Jack Henderson on Personal Branding & Business Growth

    Apr 15

    Ep. 175 - Building a Billion-Dollar Vision: Jack Henderson on Personal Branding & Business Growth

    Guest: Jack Henderson, Entrepreneur, Property Investor, and Personal Branding Advocate, EO Sydney Member since 2021 Host: Linh Podetti, EO Sydney Member since 2022 and Owner of Outsourcing Angel In this episode, Jack Henderson shares his journey from a school dropout working in construction to building a fast-growing business and personal brand. Driven by a desire to succeed and a relentless commitment to growth, Jack reveals how he leveraged media, education, and bold decision-making to scale his business rapidly. Jack opens up about the realities of entrepreneurship—from navigating public scrutiny and media backlash to rebuilding stronger and scaling even further. He also shares how personal branding became his greatest asset, allowing him to control his narrative and create new opportunities. Discover Jack’s approach to business growth, leadership, and resilience, as well as the mindset required to build a billion-dollar vision. Whether you're an entrepreneur, content creator, or aspiring business leader, this episode is packed with actionable insights. ABOUT JACK HENDERSON Jack Henderson is an entrepreneur and property investor known for his rapid business growth and strong personal brand. Starting his career in civil construction, Jack taught himself business and investing through books, podcasts, and mentorship. He quickly built a multi-million dollar business, scaling from zero to millions in revenue within a short period. Through leveraging social media and sharing valuable insights, Jack established himself as a leading voice in personal branding and property investment. Beyond business, Jack is driven by continuous self-improvement, endurance challenges, and building high-performance teams. His long-term vision is to grow a billion-dollar business while helping others unlock opportunities through education and media. CONNECT WITH JACK Website: https://henderson.com.au/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jack-henderson-406340112/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/henderson_advocacy/ -------------------- ABOUT EO Entrepreneur's Organization (EO) is a global business network of 18,000 + influential business owners in over 220 chapters across 76 countries. We offer world-class events that encompass engaging entrepreneur and business stories, skills-specific workshops, and exciting social gatherings. Our mission is to drive both business and personal growth through peer-to-peer learning, providing support for the holistic entrepreneur experience covering business, family, community, and personal aspects. As a not-for-profit organization, all our funds directly contribute to member benefits. If you're a business owner with revenues ranging from US$250k to US$1m, you can join our Accelerator Program. If your revenues exceed US$1m, you can join the main EO Program in your nearest local chapter. To join or find out more about your nearest chapter, visit https://www.eonetwork.org/why-join/apply-for-membership-form. For further information, please contact: Podcast Host Linh Podetti: linh@outsourcingangel.com.au General Inquiries: support@eonetwork.org.au EO Sydney: www.eosydney.com.au EO Global: https://hub.eonetwork.org/

    47 min
  7. Ep. 174 - Natasha Hawker on Hiring Right & Building a Sellable Business

    Mar 25

    Ep. 174 - Natasha Hawker on Hiring Right & Building a Sellable Business

    Guest: Natasha Hawker, EO Sydney Member since 2025 and Founder & Managing Director of Employee Matters Host: Linh Podetti, EO Sydney Member since 2022 and Owner of Outsourcing Angel In this episode, Natasha Hawker shares over 30 years of HR expertise and the powerful lessons she learned building Employee Matters from scratch. From taking on the wrong clients out of desperation to becoming one of Australia’s leading HR voices, Natasha dives deep into the rookie mistakes entrepreneurs make, especially when it comes to hiring, firing, and valuing their own work. She shares   • Why “if they have a pulse and a cheque book” is the most dangerous mindset in business   • The true cost of avoiding difficult conversations   • How to hire slow and fire fast (without getting sued)   • Why education is the ultimate unfair advantage in business   • How she’s preparing her company for a strategic exit If you’re a founder struggling with team issues, difficult employees, or client red flags, this episode will save you years of pain. ABOUT NATASHA HAWKER Natasha Hawker is the Founder & Managing Director of Employee Matters and a respected leader in the Australian HR space. With over 30 years of experience, Natasha has helped hire, manage, and exit thousands of employees across businesses globally. She is a sought-after speaker, media commentator, and author of the Amazon best-selling book From Hire to Fire & Everything In Between. Natasha is a graduate of the Australian Institute of Company Directors, a passionate educator for business owners, and is currently preparing her business for a strategic exit. Outside of work, she is a competitive Squash Masters player and mum to three. CONNECT WITH NATASHA HAWKER Website: https://www.employeematters.com.au/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natashahawker/ -------------------- ABOUT EO Entrepreneur's Organization (EO) is a global business network of 18,000 + influential business owners in over 220 chapters across 76 countries. We offer world-class events that encompass engaging entrepreneur and business stories, skills-specific workshops, and exciting social gatherings. Our mission is to drive both business and personal growth through peer-to-peer learning, providing support for the holistic entrepreneur experience covering business, family, community, and personal aspects. As a not-for-profit organization, all our funds directly contribute to member benefits. If you're a business owner with revenues ranging from US$250k to US$1m, you can join our Accelerator Program. If your revenues exceed US$1m, you can join the main EO Program in your nearest local chapter. To join or find out more about your nearest chapter, visit https://www.eonetwork.org/why-join/apply-for-membership-form. For further information, please contact: Podcast Host Linh Podetti: linh@outsourcingangel.com.au General Inquiries: support@eonetwork.org.au EO Sydney: www.eosydney.com.au EO Global: https://hub.eonetwork.org/

    40 min
  8. Ep. 173 - Partnership, Purpose & Global Growth: Wesley Naidoo on Manufacturing, EO & Buying Back Time

    Mar 11

    Ep. 173 - Partnership, Purpose & Global Growth: Wesley Naidoo on Manufacturing, EO & Buying Back Time

    Guest: Wesley Naidoo, EO Durban Member, Entrepreneur, Investor & EO Global Manufacturing Chair Host: Linh Podetti, EO Sydney Member & Founder of Outsourcing Angel  In this deeply insightful conversation, Wesley Naidoo shares why choosing the right business partner is the most important decision an entrepreneur will ever make. And why chasing money without purpose can cost you everything that truly matters.  From civil engineering and construction in South Africa to building and scaling manufacturing, media, and investment businesses across multiple continents, Wesley’s journey is grounded in trust, people, faith, and long-term thinking.  As a former EO Chapter President, EO Regional Council member, Chair of EO Global Manufacturing, and Strategic Alliance Partner Chair for EO Industry Groups and Deal Exchange, Wesley offers a rare behind-the-scenes look into how global entrepreneurs actually do deals — ethically, intentionally, and sustainably.  ABOUT WESLEY Wesley Naidoo is a purpose-driven entrepreneur, investor, and global EO leader with a background in civil engineering, manufacturing, and media. He has built and scaled multiple ventures under the Oasis Group, including TubeTeq and Outdoor Holdings, spanning South Africa, the USA, and the Middle East. Wesley previously served as President of the EO Durban Chapter and currently sits on the EO Regional Council for the Middle East, Africa, and Pakistan. He chairs the EO Global Manufacturing Industry Group and serves as Strategic Alliance Partner Chair for EO Industry Groups and the EO Deal Exchange community, connecting entrepreneurs across 75+ countries. In 2025, Wesley hosted IGNITE: The Power Within, a landmark global EO event in Durban that showcased Africa’s entrepreneurial potential on the world stage. Grounded in humility, faith, and service, Wesley is deeply committed to ethical entrepreneurship, family, and creating businesses that endure and uplift communities.  CONNECT WITH WESLEY  Website: www.oasisgroup.co.za  LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/wesley-naidoo-oasis-group  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/naidoowesley?igsh=NHhvcjQxMTQzdWV4 -------------------- ABOUT EO Entrepreneur's Organization (EO) is a global business network of 18,000 + influential business owners in over 220 chapters across 76 countries. We offer world-class events that encompass engaging entrepreneur and business stories, skills-specific workshops, and exciting social gatherings. Our mission is to drive both business and personal growth through peer-to-peer learning, providing support for the holistic entrepreneur experience covering business, family, community, and personal aspects. As a not-for-profit organization, all our funds directly contribute to member benefits. If you're a business owner with revenues ranging from US$250k to US$1m, you can join our Accelerator Program. If your revenues exceed US$1m, you can join the main EO Program in your nearest local chapter. To join or find out more about your nearest chapter, visit https://www.eonetwork.org/why-join/apply-for-membership-form. For further information, please contact: Podcast Host Linh Podetti: linh@outsourcingangel.com.au General Inquiries: support@eonetwork.org.au EO Sydney: www.eosydney.com.au EO Global: https://hub.eonetwork.org/

    30 min

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The EO Business Podcast is hosted by Linh Podetti, a member of the Entrepreneur's Organisation (EO) Sydney Chapter. We share the real stories of entrepreneurs, their challenges, and how they overcame them to achieve success in business and life. From the start-up phase to scaling up, exiting, and building generational wealth, we cover it all. Our community, @EntrepreneursOrganization (EO), has a global business network of over 18,000 influential business owners in more than 220 chapters across 76 countries. Our mission is to drive both business and personal growth through peer-to-peer learning, providing support for a holistic entrepreneurial experience that covers business, family, community, and personal aspects. The fortnightly episodes explore our Global Member's journeys, experiences, and insights on entrepreneurship, leadership, and business growth. Don't miss out on the chance to gain valuable knowledge and inspiration from the EO Business podcast.