The Cave of Apelles

Jan-Ove Tuv & Bork S. Nerdrum

Long form conversations on culture, myths, and philosophy. For Premium access: https://www.patreon.com/caveofapelles

  1. Establishing Fine Art as a Religion of Purity: Reading Larry Shiner's The Invention of Art | Part 3

    05/01/2024

    Establishing Fine Art as a Religion of Purity: Reading Larry Shiner's The Invention of Art | Part 3

    Bork Nerdrum and Jan-Ove Tuv take a deep-dive into Larry Shiner's book The Invention of Art (2001), commenting on the contents from the perspective of classical painting and culture. Part one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzyAwlZ1kLg Part two: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huNHIxGAMn8 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Chapter markers: 00:00 Biggest takeaways so far 05:27 19th century: modernist rhetoric and “Art“ as an independent realm 08:02 Finding the purest of the fine arts 10:30 Changing the meaning of “culture“ 12:12 Art as religion 19:57 Pre-modernists and Roman frog eyes 24:17 The Saint and Martyr Syndrom 27:29 “The descent of the artisan“ 34:41 Architecture: art or craft…? 41:49 The term “disinterestedness“ 45:00 The final consolidation of “Art“ 48:47 Photography: was it ever a threat? 55:40 Modernism 1890-1930 1:06:18 The 1930´s & representational styles 1:09:00 Modernism as “anti-totalitarian“ 1:14:05 Repeating the art vs craft division 1:19:25 Post-Modernism as an alternative? 1:22:51 A people without identity & a third system of the arts This episode featured Bork Nerdrum and Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed by Öde Nerdrum and Jikke Gruwel. The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope. SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Matthias Proy Diego Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Website: https://caveofapelles.com Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caveofapelles Instagram: instagram.com/caveofapelles/ For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com

    1h 35m
  2. Dr. Nir Buras on The Classic Planning Institute, Modern Urban Planning and The Future of Our Cities

    04/15/2024

    Dr. Nir Buras on The Classic Planning Institute, Modern Urban Planning and The Future of Our Cities

    Dr. Nir Buras is a leading new traditional architect and urbanist, founder of the Classic Planning Institute, and author of The Art of Classic Planning. He designs towns, cities and buildings, and speaks about some of the most interesting developments in the world of architecture and planning and where we might find ourselves in the future. 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Chapter markers: 00:00 Intro 01:30 Buras & the Classic Planning Institute (CPI) 04:43 Projects and subdivisions of CPI 09:02 CPI's partners, seminars and live events 11:00 Horseshit, conflict and modern city planning 15:07 Cars and modern city planning 19:01 Three scenarios for our cities 22:33 The "Golden Age" in all cultures 26:01 What is wrong with the modern city 37:46 A holistic vs problem solving method 48:20 Place making is memory-making 57:22 Can a city have cars in it? 1:06:43 Traffic in Rome, Rio de Janeiro and New York 1:10:23 Town and country 1:14:41 CPI and the Anacostia River Masterplan 1:24:45 The impact of using hands on the brain 1:29:35 An eight generations horizon 1:32:10 Olympic Games for handcraft 1:35:24 The Anacostia project and Paris' Île de la Cité 1:42:03 Daniel Burnham: “Make no small plans” 1:46:28 Burnham's six categories for town planning 1:51:55 The symbolism of where you place buildings 1:58:50 Getting cars off the streets 1: 01:42 The future of modernism is classical This episode featured Dr. Nir Buras & Carl Korsnes and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum. The centerpiece was a photograph of the Anacostia Riverfront render design by Dr. Buras & The Classic Planning Institute. SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Matthias Proy Diego Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Website: https://caveofapelles.com Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caveofapelles Instagram: instagram.com/caveofapelles/ For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com

    2h 10m
  3. Cyclical thinking, Discontinuity and Basic Human Stories | Jon White, Sturla Ellingvåg & Jan-Ove Tuv

    04/01/2024

    Cyclical thinking, Discontinuity and Basic Human Stories | Jon White, Sturla Ellingvåg & Jan-Ove Tuv

    Jan-Ove Tuv sits down with Jon White from the Crecganford YouTube-channel and Sturla Ellingvåg from the Viking Stories YouTube-channel to discuss the nature of myths. 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Chapter markers: 00:00 Thinking a-historically 03:33 From ritual to listening 08:48 Replacing pagan holidays and rituals 15:39 Changes in myths 22:26 Tactius' Germania, the Poetic Edda and the Kalevala 26:19 Sacred truths make stories last 33:14 Cut off from your traditions 39:28 Looking at history as a whole 44:17 A perfect product for corporate business? 48:36 Picking the shiny thing 52:32 Back to basic human stories 57:36 Participating in the story 1:02:58 Do what has worked before 1:05:46 Irony in eternal stories 1:07:18 Society after the cyclical disasters 1:13:18 Agriculture gives us cyclical myths 1:19:40 Recurring themes in myth This episode featured Jon F. White, Jan-Ove Tuv & Sturla Ellingvåg and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum. The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope. SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Matthias Proy Børge Moe Eivind Josten Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Website: https://caveofapelles.com Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caveofapelles Instagram: instagram.com/caveofapelles/ For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com

    1h 26m
  4. Creation, Cows and Sacrifice | Jon White on the Motifs and Interpretation of Indo-European Mythology

    03/15/2024

    Creation, Cows and Sacrifice | Jon White on the Motifs and Interpretation of Indo-European Mythology

    Jon White has studied Indo-European mythology for more than thirty years, particularly focusing on cosmogony and creation myths. As an independent researcher and lecturer, he shares this knowledge on his YouTube-channel @Crecganford . Mr. White visits Cave of Apelles to detail the major motifs or "mythologems" of the Indo-European mythological tradition and what they denote. Considering that the Indo-Europeans lived in the Pontic-Caspian steppes about 7000 years ago, how did their stories spread to ancient India, Persia, Rome or Norse Scandinavia - changing, yet still retaining their core? Combining the study of myths with fields like linguistics, archeology and etymology Mr. White will unravel cross-cultural similarities in stories like The Cosmic Twins, Defeating the dragon, The cattle raiding myth and The wild hunt. He will also share his ideas on how we best are to understand myths. Are they projections of the human psyche, the condensed ethos of a culture or symbolic manifestations of natural and cultural history? More intriguing still: is the presence of myths and archetypal images particular to Homo sapiens or have they been transferred between human species? 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Chapter markers: 00:00 Intro 01:27 Who is Jon White? 04:21 Defining “myth" 11:57 The Indo-European creation myth and sacrifice of the cow 19:22 Who were the Indo-Europeans? 24:06 The academic study of myths 30:18 Cattle, three-headed monsters and Twins of creation 37:36 “Fame does not decay” - the magic of writing 41:00 Over 70 000 years of fighting the dragon 45:59 From cows to women - the problem of translation 50:27 The veracity of the poetic and prose Edda 56:27 The divine twins vs the creation twins 1:00:11 Defining “archetype” 1:04:31 What is NOT Indo-European? 1:06:25 Mythology and mindset 1:08:29 Inuit myths, and stars as protagonists 1:13:41 Ways of understanding myth 1:16:51 Polytheist vs monotheist worldviews? 1:21:25 Myths as projection of the human psyche? 1:31:39 Myths as condensed images 1:34:17 Pre-human myths? This episode featured Jon F. White & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum. The centerpiece was a reproduction of "Sleeping Twins" by Odd Nerdrum. SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Matthias Proy Diego Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Website: https://caveofapelles.com Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caveofapelles Instagram: instagram.com/caveofapelles/ For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com

    1h 45m
  5. 19th Century French Bohemia and the Proto-Avant-Garde | A Review of Michael J. Pearce's Book

    03/01/2024

    19th Century French Bohemia and the Proto-Avant-Garde | A Review of Michael J. Pearce's Book

    What happened in the cultural life in 19th century France that lead to the rise of avant-garde art in America? Jan-Ove Tuv sits down with Michael Pearce to review his book Kitsch, Propaganda and the American Avant-Garde. The book is available here: https://www.cambridgescholars.com/product/978-1-5275-9411-1 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ 00:00 "Bohemian" and irresponsible? 03:16 The origin of "Bohemian" 06:47 Courbet - an old-master "modernist" 09:10 Courbet's loyalty to the time 15:48 Science and industrialization killed poetry 18:40 Proudhon, and the marriage of art and socialism 23:12 Courbet's attack on classical values 29:33 Victor Hugo: the sublime, sensual and sentimental 36:15 A Bohemian, ludicrous way of dying 39:36 Theophile Gautier's l'Art pour l'Art, psychedelics, spiritism and theosophy 42:47 Zola: modernist or classical? 48:26 Manet, the father of avant-garde modern art 54:10 Zola's "hour of demolition" 1:00:40 The Hippie movement 1:03:51 How to be a REAL Bohemian 1:07:50 Zola's isolated artists 1:13:58 Myths: the core classical value 1:16:19 The coquette Romantic? This episode featured Michael Pearce & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum. The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope. SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Matthias Proy Diego Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Website: https://caveofapelles.com Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caveofapelles Instagram: instagram.com/caveofapelles/ For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com

    1h 20m
  6. Kitsch, Propaganda and the American Avant-Garde | An Interview with Michael Pearce

    02/15/2024

    Kitsch, Propaganda and the American Avant-Garde | An Interview with Michael Pearce

    Michael Pearce is a writer, painter, teacher and curator, as well as the founder of The Representational Art Conference (TRAC). His book "Kitsch, Propaganda and the American Avant-Garde" uncovers one thing Lenin, Hitler and Roosevelt had in common: A keen eye for art as state propaganda. Avoiding the old-fashioned vs modern dichotomy, Pearce shows the cultural historical roots of employing both figurative and abstract painting to further political correctness. Pearce traces it back to 19th century socialist thinking, and goes in-depth on the ideas of philosophers like Proudhon and Saint-Simon, as well as the protests of Emile Zola. First and foremost, however, he shows how the the American government and a few wealthy families made Avant-garde art into the preferred art form of the 20th century, casting it as the antidote to the sentimentality of kitsch. 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Chapter markers: 00:00 Intro 01:32 Understanding Kitsch and the Avant-Garde 05:01 Who is Michael Pearce? 08:06 The proto-Communist Avant-Garde 12:47 Proudhon's authoritarian state art 16:22 Proudhon on Courbet and aesthetic ideals 22:02 Courbet, Repin, and Russian realism 23:25 The Bohemian Avant-Garde 26:00 Emile Zola's individualism vs Proudhon 29:59 Capturing the Zeitgeist 33:50 The battle between Avant-Gardes in Soviet Russia 41:49 An individualist Avant-Garde? 42:43 Socialist Realism in the USSR and the USSA 45:36 Nazi art vs Roosevelt's path 47:46 Socialism and the art of the enemy 50:20 Hitler's qualities as a painter 52:19 Degenerate Art and House of German Art 57:25 The sentimental art of the enemy 59:45 The propagandist Nelson Rockefeller 1:02:24 The figurative/kitsch/Hitler connection 1:06:37 Greenberg's essay Avant-Garde and Kitsch 1:11:37 Nazi art: kitsch or bona fide modernism? 1:20:11 Primitive American art as the mother of modernism 1:26:33 Roosevelt & the marriage of USSA and MoMA 1:30:04 The current situation in the art world 1:35:56 The American illustration tradition and escapism 1:38:37 Fergus Ryan: What is "Imaginative realism"? 1:40:37 Fergus Ryan:: What is "emergence" in painting? 1:43:59 Question: Is there a refuge for the human spirit? This episode featured Michael Pearce & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum. The centerpiece was a reproduction of Courbets painting of Proudhon and his children. SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Matthias Proy Diego Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Website: https://caveofapelles.com Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caveofapelles Instagram: instagram.com/caveofapelles/ For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com

    1h 50m
  7. Natures of Odin, Preparing for Ragnarök and the Optimism of Poetic Edda | Norse Mythology Part Three

    02/01/2024

    Natures of Odin, Preparing for Ragnarök and the Optimism of Poetic Edda | Norse Mythology Part Three

    Jan-Ove Tuv sits down with Sturla Ellingvåg to dive deep into Norse mythology. Ellingvåg is the historian behind the YouTube-channel Viking Stories . He is associated with the Max Planck Institute in Germany, and is convinced that history has to be studied in a broader context than current fashion allows. Part one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q81uTkxnsY Part two: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTXjioACKt8 We have previously released an interview with Ellingvåg on this channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFeje-6fYmw 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Chapter markers: 00:00 Bridges, wells and guardians 02:04 Shamanic journey and disentanglement 08:40 Wisdom literature 11:10 Struggles and Loki as hero 17:25 Gods exposed to laws of nature 20:34 Odin: ferryman or Attila the Hun? 26:58 Odin & The spear dancer 30:00 Was Odin crucified or hanged? 32:40 What the next Ragnarök will look like 42:37 The 4.2k event 43:56 Religion and more totalitarian societies 45:54 Will your work survive future regimes? Bulgakov and Solzhenitsyn 51:39 The optimism of the Poetic Edda This episode featured Sturla Ellingvåg & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum. The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope. SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Matthias Proy Diego Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Website: https://caveofapelles.com Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caveofapelles Instagram: instagram.com/caveofapelles/ For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com

    59 min
  8. Seth Fite on Sincerity in Painting, Andrew Wyeth, and Human Suffering as the Superior Subject Matter

    01/15/2024

    Seth Fite on Sincerity in Painting, Andrew Wyeth, and Human Suffering as the Superior Subject Matter

    Seth Fite is a classical painter born in England, who grew up in the United States. From the new world, he is inspired by American Golden Age illustrators, Andrew and N. C. Wyeth, and the Cincinnati master Frank Duveneck. From the old world, he has studied masters such as Rembrandt and Velasquez. In 2019 he was a student of Odd Nerdrum. Fite has been told to "find his own voice" and "do something new", as well as other clichés, but he sees little use of this. He strives to strike the vulnerable spot of humankind, the same spot found by masters before him. 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Chapter markers: 00:00 Intro 01:49 Illustration and old masters 06:28 The spirit of Andrew Wyeth 11:22 Getting to know the model 15:36 "Make the eyes more sad" 22:14 Painting from memory 27:09 Andrew Wyeth's status today 30:07 The Bible, and finding the divine in things 35:43 Painting biblical motifs 40:32 Comparing Kierkegaard and Nerdrum 45:48 Reflecting the times is superficial 50:47 Nerdrum destroyed the "Art" word for me 53:17 "Sincere", "true" and "genuine"? 57:30 Joy in recognition 1:06:48 Beauty brings melancholy 1:12:32 Andrew Wyeth's popularity in the East 1:16:12 Something "below" or "behind" the motif? 1:20:07 Stuck in ancient problems This episode featured Seth Fite & Carl Korsnes and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum. The wall featured two paintings by Seth Fite. SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Matthias Proy Diego Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Website: https://caveofapelles.com Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caveofapelles Instagram: instagram.com/caveofapelles/ For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com

    1h 27m
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Long form conversations on culture, myths, and philosophy. For Premium access: https://www.patreon.com/caveofapelles

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  • Creator
    Jan-Ove Tuv & Bork S. Nerdrum
  • Years Active
    2018 - 2024
  • Episodes
    128
  • Rating
    Clean
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