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  1. Atheist Admits He's Trapped! - Ep.358 - The Great Debate - Stein's 2nd Rebuttal - Part 1

    2D AGO

    Atheist Admits He's Trapped! - Ep.358 - The Great Debate - Stein's 2nd Rebuttal - Part 1

    Atheist Admits He’s Trapped! Stein has been stymied and this atheist admits he’s trapped when it comes to his inability to justify his use of the laws of logic within the confines of his atheistic materialism worldview. Next week, we’ll look at his attempt to heap that same outcome on Bahnsen and Christianity. TIMELINE: 00:00 – Introduction 01:37 – Atheist Can’t Understand Why Christian Wants To Talk About Logic 05:50 – Here’s The Deal 09:05 – The Issue With Falsification – For Atheists 15:30 – The Atheist Doesn’t Want An Explanation For Logic – They Just Want To Be Mad 17:00 – Atheist Admits He’s Trapped By Not Being Able To Explain Logic 18:02 – Conclusion BOOK LINKS: The Great Debate – Does God Exist? – Edited and Commentary by Joshua Pillows Debate Transcript Video The Bahnsen Institute       All episodes, short clips, & blog – https://www.cavetothecross.com

    18 min
  2. Atheist Admits Atheism Can't Justify Science - Ep.357 - The Great Debate - Bahnsen's 2nd Cross-Examination

    FEB 9

    Atheist Admits Atheism Can't Justify Science - Ep.357 - The Great Debate - Bahnsen's 2nd Cross-Examination

    Atheist Admits Atheism Can’t Justify Science A slightly shorter episode due to sickness by the editor but nonetheless still an important part of the Great Debate. Here, Stein, the atheist admits atheism can’t justify science especially when it comes to induction. This issue that David Hume identified the problem with not having justification that the future will be like the past was identified all the way back during the Enlightenment and those enlightened ones who wanted to shake off God also shook off the justification of the use of science. TIMELINE: 00:00 – Introduction 01:19 – How To Deal With Hume’s Issue With Induction 03:40 – Atheists Want To Have Brute Facts Just Because 04:39 – Atheist Admits Atheism Can’t Justify Science 06:29 – Evolution Should Have Us Except Science To Change 09:24 – What Right Do We Have To Assume The Future Will Be Like The Past? 10:53 – Conclusion BOOK LINKS: The Great Debate – Does God Exist? – Edited and Commentary by Joshua Pillows Debate Transcript Video The Bahnsen Institute       All episodes, short clips, & blog – https://www.cavetothecross.com

    12 min
  3. What's The Atheist's Metaphysical Basis For Anything? - Ep.356 - The Great Debate - Stein's 2nd Cross-Examination

    FEB 2

    What's The Atheist's Metaphysical Basis For Anything? - Ep.356 - The Great Debate - Stein's 2nd Cross-Examination

    What’s The Atheist’s Metaphysical Basis For Anything? While this is supposed to be Stein’s 2nd cross-examination of Bahnsen, we see Bahnsen causes the atheist to stumble by trying to get him to provide the atheist’s metaphysical basis for anything – here specifically for math and the laws of logic. The Christian has a basis, one that the atheist doesn’t like, but that’s better than nothing or a lack of the ability to provide anything. TIMELINE: 00:00 – Introduction 02:09 – Is Math Theistic Or Atheistic 04:30 – Math Is Christian Because It Couldn’t Be Anything Else 06:12 – Delving Further Into This 08:11 – Is No Other Explanation Needed? 09:27 – The Christian’s External Answer That Is Required 11:29 – Unreasonable Demand On The Atheist? 12:31 – How Does An Atheist Justify Non-Material Laws? 14:10 – How Does A Christian Know Logic Reflects The Mind Of God? 19:06 – Atheist Doesn’t Buy, Or Understand 20:34 – Atheists Don’t Desire Metaphysical Proof Of Other Concepts They Agree With BOOK LINKS: The Great Debate – Does God Exist? – Edited and Commentary by Joshua Pillows Debate Transcript Video The Bahnsen Institute       All episodes, short clips, & blog – https://www.cavetothecross.com

    24 min
  4. Atheist Logic By Experiment Or Agreement? - Ep.355 - The Great Debate - Bahnsen's 2nd Opening - Part 2

    JAN 26

    Atheist Logic By Experiment Or Agreement? - Ep.355 - The Great Debate - Bahnsen's 2nd Opening - Part 2

    Atheist Logic By Experiment Or Agreement? Finishing up Bahnsen’s attempt to help out his atheist opponent provide justification for his use of logic, we look at logic being shown through experimentation or agreement. And like the good Christian Bahnsen is, he provides a good overview and then sinks the foundation of the atheist to claim any grounding for logic. TIMELINE: 00:00 – Introduction 01:47 – Atheist Logic From A Posteriori? 04:07 – Are Laws Of Logic Contingent Under Atheism? 06:29 – Why Do Laws Of Logic Work In Different Areas The Same 07:50 – Atheist Logic Just Linguistic Convention? 09:27 – If So Then They’re Culturally Relative 11:59 – Why Do Atheists Decry Moral Failure Of Christians 13:13 – What Type Does One Give To Back Up Atheistic Materialistic Logic 15:04 – Atheists Steal From Christians To Use Logic 15:45 – Conclusion BOOK LINKS: The Great Debate – Does God Exist? – Edited and Commentary by Joshua Pillows Debate Transcript Video The Bahnsen Institute       All episodes, short clips, & blog – https://www.cavetothecross.com

    16 min
  5. The Failure Of Atheistic Logic - Ep.354 - The Great Debate - Bahnsen's 2nd Opening - Part 1

    JAN 19

    The Failure Of Atheistic Logic - Ep.354 - The Great Debate - Bahnsen's 2nd Opening - Part 1

    The Failure Of Atheistic Logic Where Stein has claimed that the laws of logic are only agreed upon but useful, Bahnsen is having a hard time accepting that – because it’s wrong. It’s up to Bahnsen to try and make the case for the atheist metaphysical use of the laws of logic. But it’s also up to Bahnsen to shoot those down too and show the failure of atheistic logic. TIMELINE: 00:00 – Introduction 01:57 – A Battle Of Worldviews 05:46 – The Atheist Doesn’t Have Reason To Use Reason 07:10 – The Christian’s Reason For Reason 08:08 – The Laws Of Logic Need A Mind 08:28 – Helpful Remind Of The Laws Of Logic 10:06 – Justifying Truth Of Logic Without Needing To Test It 11:42 – Not Proven Because They’re Used 13:40 – Logic Is More Conceptual Than Empirical 14:31 – Why Logic Can Always Be Used Consistently If They’re Only Agreed Upon 17:12 – If Logic Relies On People Only Why Don’t We Have Different Scholarships 18:49 – To The Library! 21:06 – Conclusion BOOK LINKS: The Great Debate – Does God Exist? – Edited and Commentary by Joshua Pillows Debate Transcript Video The Bahnsen Institute       All episodes, short clips, & blog – https://www.cavetothecross.com

    22 min
  6. More Greek, More Sci-Fi - Ep.352 - 2025 Book Reviews - Part 2

    JAN 12

    More Greek, More Sci-Fi - Ep.352 - 2025 Book Reviews - Part 2

    A Little Greek, A Little Sci-Fi The final half of the list of 2025 book reviews has more Greek, more sci-fi, and more indiepub goodness. Romance in space and space opera, talking pigs and talking frogs, first contact with aliens and first contact with demons, and good church history hymns and bad biblical archeology. TIMELINE: 00:00:00 – Introduction 00:00:25 – Medea by Euripides 00:01:56 – The Trojan Women by Euripides 00:03:13 – Charlotte’s Web by E.B. White 00:06:40 – The Breadth of Creation by C.S. Johnson 00:08:40 – Revelation Space by Alastair Reynolds 00:12:34 – Prince Caspian by C.S. Lewis 00:14:16 – The Clouds by Aristophanes 00:16:23 – The Frogs by Aristophanes 00:17:48 – Shoot the Devil – Ten Tales of Humans Defeating the Demonic edited by Eric Postma 00:22:48 – Lifebinder by Blake Carpenter 00:26:48 – Starship Troopers by Robert A. Heinlein 00:29:39 – Theogony – Works and Days by Hesiod 00:31:22 – Blind Devotion – A Tale of the Van Meter Visitor by Ty Drago 00:33:39 – The Last Summer – A Tale of the Glawackus by Jacob Jones-Goldstein 00:35:34 – 3 Black Nights – An Urban Fantasy Horror Triple Feature! By T.J. Marquis 00:39:51 – The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress by Robert A. Heinlein 00:44:21 – Record of The Paladins – Book of Ivon and Ivoire by BP McCoppin 00:47:48 – After Moses Prodigal by Michael F. Kane 00:52:14 – The Shepherd Descends by J.A. Raithe 00:55:50 – Atlas of World War II – History’s Greatest Conflict Revealed Through Rare Wartime Maps and New Cartography Stephen G. Hyslop 00:58:26 – Stones Still Speak – How Biblical Archaeology Illuminates the Stories You Thought You Knew Amanda Hope Haley 01:02:59 – The One Year Book of Hymns – 365 Devotions Based on Popular Hymns Robert K. Brown , Mark Norton 01:04:35 – The Door in the Wall by Marguerite de Angeli 01:07:32 – DIEROCK 88 by S.A. Oliver 01:11:05 – Before The Coffee Gets Cold by Toshikazu Kawaguchi 01:14:45 – Conclusion Books mentioned in this episode: Medea by Euripides Kindle Paperback         The Trojan Women by Euripides Kindle Paperback           Charlotte’s Web by E.B. White Kindle Paperback Audible         The Breadth of Creation by C.S. Johnson Kindle Paperback Audible         Revelation Space by Alastair Reynolds Kindle  Paperback Audible         Prince Caspian by C.S. Lewis Paperback           The Clouds by Aristophanes Kindle Paperback         The Frogs by Aristophanes Paperback           Shoot the Devil – Ten Tales of Humans Defeating the Demonic edited by Eric Postma Kindle Paperback           Lifebinder by Blake Carpenter Kindle Paperback           Starship Troopers by Robert A. Heinlein Kindle Paperback Audible         Theogony – Works and Days by Hesiod Kindle Paperback Audible         Blind Devotion – A Tale of the Van Meter Visitor by Ty Drago Kindle Paperback         The Last Summer – A Tale of the Glawackus by Jacob Jones-Goldstein Kindle Paperback           3 Black Nights – An Urban Fantasy Horror Triple Feature! By T.J. Marquis Kindle             The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress by Robert A. Heinlein Kindle Paperback Audible           Record of The Paladins – Book of Ivon and Ivoire by BP McCoppin Kindle Paperback Audible           After Moses Prodigal by Michael F. Kane Kindle Paperback           The Shepherd Descends by J.A. Raithe Kindle Paperback Audible         Atlas of World War II – History’s Greatest Conflict Revealed Through Rare Wartime Maps and New Cartography Stephen G. Hyslop Hardcover           Stones Still Speak – How Biblical Archaeology Illuminates the Stories You Thought You Knew Amanda Hope Haley Kindle Paperback Audible         The One Year Book of Hymns – 365 Devotions Based on Popular Hymns Robert K. Brown , Mark Norton Paperback           The Door in the Wall by Marguerite de Angeli Kindle Paperback Audible           DIEROCK 88 by S.A. Oliver Kindle Paperback Audible           Before The Coffee Gets Cold by Toshikazu Kawaguchi Kindle Paperback All episodes, short clips, & blog – https://www.cavetothecross.com

    1h 15m
  7. A Little Greek, A Little Sci-Fi - Ep.352 - 2025 Book Reviews - Part 1

    JAN 5

    A Little Greek, A Little Sci-Fi - Ep.352 - 2025 Book Reviews - Part 1

    A Little Greek, A Little Sci-Fi 2025 kicked off my goal of reading the great books of Western Civilization. So in typical fashion I read a little Greek, a little sci-fi, and a smattering of everything else. Indiepub still factored into the list with some hits and misses, just like the tradpubs. As always, the goal we should all have isn’t quantity it’s quality. But quality doesn’t just mean classic great books, it means books you enjoy and changes you and allows you to experience escapism and learn more about God’s world as He is the ultimate storyteller. TIMELINE: 00:00:00 – Introduction 00:04:14 – The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe by C.S. Lewis 00:07:06 – The God Frequency by Douglas Hemme 00:10:40 – Amorphous – Breaking the Mold by Steven Burgess 00:12:06 – Spectrum Multiview Christian Ethics Four Views edited by Steve Wilkens 00:18:18 – The Peace War by Vernor Vinge 00:22:37 – Greek for the Rest of Us by William D. Mounce 00:26:05 – The Iliad by Homer 00:32:09 – Peter Pan by J.M. Barrie 00:34:31 – Flight of the Eagles by Gilbert L. Morris 00:37:21 – Sundered by Ernie Laurence Jr. 00:38:55 – Horus Rising by Dan Abnett 00:41:37 – The Odyssey by Homer 00:43:17 – D’Aulaires’ Book of Greek Myths by Ingri d’Aulaire 00:44:46 – The Secret Door by Jenny Phillips 00:46:59 – Project Hail Mary by Andy Weir 00:49:34 – Passing the Torch – An Apology for Classical Christian Education by Louis Markos 00:53:21 – The Core by Leigh A. Bortins 00:56:06 – Agamemnon by Aeschylus 00:59:10 – The Libation Bearers by Aeschylus 01:00:39 – The Eumenides by Aeschylus 01:02:29 – The Air We Breathe – How We All Came to Believe in Freedom, Kindness, Progress, and Equality by Glen Scrivener 01:05:11 – Adam of the Road by Elizabeth Janet Gray 01:07:00 – Maisie Dobbs by Jacqueline Winspear 01:09:45 – The Little Prince by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry 01:12:15 – Mr. Popper’s Penguins by Richard Atwater 01:13:37 – Oedipus Rex by Sophocles 01:16:36 – Oedipus at Colonus by Sophocles 01:18:39 – Antigone by Sophocles 01:21:12 – To Be Continued Next Week Books mentioned in this episode: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe by C.S. Lewis Kindle Paperback Audible         The God Frequency by Douglas Hemme Kindle Paperback Audible         Amorphous – Breaking the Mold by Steven Burgess Kindle Paperback           Spectrum Multiview Christian Ethics Four Views edited by Steve Wilkens Kindle  Paperback  CaveToTheCross Episodes – wwww.CaveToTheCross.com/ChristianEthics         The Peace War by Vernor Vinge Kindle Paperback           Greek for the Rest of Us by William D. Mounce Kindle Paperback         The Iliad by Homer Kindle Paperback Audible         Peter Pan by J.M. Barrie Kindle Paperback Audible         Flight of the Eagles by Gilbert L. Morris Kindle Paperback Audible         Sundered by Ernie Laurence Jr. Kindle           Horus Rising by Dan Abnett Kindle Paperback  Audible           The Odyssey by Homer Kindle Paperback            D’Aulaires’ Book of Greek Myths by Ingri d’Aulaire Kindle Paperback Audible         The Secret Door by Jenny Phillips Paperback             Project Hail Mary by Andy Weir Kindle Paperback Audible           Passing the Torch An Apology for Classical Christian Education by Louis Markos Kindle Paperback Audible         The Core by Leigh A. Bortins Kindle Paperback  Audible         Agamemnon by Aeschylus Kindle Paperback           The Libation Bearers by Aeschylus Kindle Paperback           The Eumenides by Aeschylus Kindle Paperback               The Air We Breathe How We All Came to Believe in Freedom, Kindness, Progress, and Equality by Glen Scrivener Kindle Paperback  Audible            Adam of the Road by Elizabeth Janet Gray Paperback Audible           Maisie Dobbs by Jacqueline Winspear Kindle Paperback Audible           The Little Prince by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry Kindle Paperback           Mr. Popper’s Penguins by Richard Atwater Kindle  Paperback Audible             Oedipus Rex by Sophocles Kindle Paperback               Oedipus at Colonus by Sophocles Kindle Paperback             Antigone by Sophocles Kindle Paperback All episodes, short clips, & blog – https://www.cavetothecross.com

    1h 21m
  8. Andreas Köstenberger Interview Redux

    12/29/2025

    Andreas Köstenberger Interview Redux

    Andreas Köstenberger Interview Redux Here are two of our interviews with the great Andreas Köstenberger. The first part was discussing his book in response to Bart Ehrman that we did on the show. The second being a join interview with Andreas Köstenberger and his co-author Gregory Goswell on their amazing Biblical Theology book. I have more Köstenberger books in my collection and have referenced his work in almost every message at church I’ve taught. He’s a blessing to the Church and a godly worker in the Lord. Enjoy listening to these interviews and a dream come true from my standpoint. TIMELINE: 00:00 – Introduction 01:44 – How Does He Write So Much?! 04:41 – The Importance Of Writing With Others 06:31 – On The Importance Of John & “Signs Of The Messiah” 08:23 – From Atheist Economist To Christian Theologian 14:09 – Setting His Target On Bart Ehrman 17:36 – The Inspiration For “Truth In A Culture Of Doubt” 19:00 – The Skeptic’s Problem Of The Problem Of Evil 23:15 – Bart Ehrman – The Poor Man’s Theologian 26:15 – Bart Ehrman’s Two Audiences 29:02 – The Layout Of “Truth In A Culture Of Doubt” 36:46 – Bart & Bauer Still Going – Why? 43:00 – Christianity Has A Reliance On Written Texts At The Beginning 47:23 – The Future & Needs Of New Testament Scholarship 49:25 – The Desire For Academics To Throw Out Truths Of Christianity 54:15 – Where Andreas Köstenberger Thinks The Future Of Apologetics Is Going 58:30 – Biblical Foundations Organization & Its Impact 01:02:25 – A Quick Review Of Biblical Theology 01:02:53 – The Division Of Labor & Working Together 01:06:13 – Biblical Theology Vs. Systematic Theology Or Partnership? 01:10:31 – How Biblical Theology Helps Our Presuppositions 01:15:40 – You Too Can Do Biblical Theology 01:17:30 – Ethics In Focus In Biblical Theology 01:27:07 – Theologians Share Surprises In Biblical Theology 01:31:28 – How To Use The Biblical Theology Book 01:36:10 – Other Points About The Book 01:38:57 – Conclusion LINKS LINKS To Andreas Köstenberger Biblical Foundations Facebook Twitter LINKS To Gregory Goswell https://christcollege.edu.au/faculty/greg-goswell/ LINKS: 09:50 – Finding Truth Playlist 14:17 – Ehrman Vs. Wallace Debate 25:36 – Ehrman Vs. White Debate 32:48 – Atheists Should Be Consistently Skeptical 37:09 – Michael J. Kruger Mashup Books mentioned in this episode: Books mentioned in this episode: Truth In A Culture Of Doubt – Engaging Skeptical Challenges to the Bibleby Andreas Köstenberger, Darrell Bock, and Josh Chatraw Kindle – https://amzn.to/2JX62lL Paperback – https://amzn.to/3hoREkW         Signs Of The Messiah – An Introduction to John’s Gospel by Andreas Köstenberger Kindle – https://amzn.to/3eM4W9r Hardcover – https://amzn.to/33PBGrU           Finding Truth – 5 Principles for Unmasking Atheism, Secularism, and Other God Substitutes by Nancy Pearcey Kindle – https://amzn.to/3ohuxKj Hardcover – https://amzn.to/3eQ1RFh Audible – https://amzn.to/33N0yka         Truth Matters – Confident Faith in a Confusing World by Andreas Köstenberger, Darrell Bock, and Josh Chatraw Kindle – https://amzn.to/3fcwVhu Hardcover – https://amzn.to/3fjcQWR Paperback – https://amzn.to/33JGU8N             Jesus And The Eyewitnesses – The Gospels as Eyewitness Testimony by Richard Bauckham Kindle – https://amzn.to/3uI6Ltv Hardcover – https://amzn.to/3bsseik Paperback – https://amzn.to/3tQlx03 How To Be An Atheist – Why Many Skeptics Aren’t Skeptical Enough by Mitch Stokes     Kindle – https://amzn.to/2Qgv0zW Paperback – https://amzn.to/3huJebU           The Heresy Of Orthodoxy – How Contemporary Culture’s Fascination with Diversity Has Reshaped Our Understanding of Early Christianity by Michael J. Kruger & Andreas Köstenberger Kindle – https://amzn.to/2QjvxRR Paperback – https://amzn.to/3v4hpuZ           Christianity At The Crossroads – How the Second Century Shaped the Future of the Church by Michael J. Kruger Kindle – https://amzn.to/3hn95SU Paperback – https://amzn.to/33JYCJ8           The Cradle, the Cross, and the Crown: An Introduction to the New Testament by Andreas Köstenberger, L. Scott Kellum, Charles L Quarles Kindle – https://amzn.to/3tMb45U Hardcover – https://amzn.to/3hqkeCx         Women in the Church – An Interpretation and Application of 1 Timothy 2:9-15 by Andreas Köstenberger & Thomas R. Schreiner Kindle – https://amzn.to/3w2d1fZ Paperback – https://amzn.to/2QlaQ7Y           God’s Design for Man and Woman – A Biblical-Theological Survey by Andreas Köstenberger & Margaret Elizabeth Köstenberger Kindle – https://amzn.to/33McqTz Paperback – https://amzn.to/2RUNXZE           Apologetics At The Cross – An Introduction for Christian Witness by Josh Chatraw Kindle – https://amzn.to/3fh9pjx Hardcover – https://amzn.to/3uWI5O0 Audible – https://amzn.to/3uT8koD       Telling A Better Story – How to Talk About God in a Skeptical Age by Josh Chatraw Kindle – https://amzn.to/3ybiiUl Paperback – https://amzn.to/33N245Q Audible – https://amzn.to/3ygRge8         Evidence That Demands A Verdict – Life-Changing Truth for a Skeptical World by Josh McDowell & Sean McDowell Kindle – https://amzn.to/3hqqZ77 Hardcover – https://amzn.to/3fjeCat Audible – https://amzn.to/2RlxyNO God, Marriage, And Family – Rebuilding the Biblical Foundation by Andreas Köstenberger & David W. Jones Kindle – https://amzn.to/3v0stt3 Paperback – https://amzn.to/2RSwaSK Biblical Theology: A Canonical, Thematic, and Ethical Approach Kindle Hardcover Logos Crossway         Text and Paratext: Book Order, Title, and Division as Keys to Biblical Interpretation by Gregory Goswell All episodes, short clips, & blog – https://www.cavetothecross.com

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