The Not So Black and White Real Estate Podcast

Sir Colin Campbell & Gary A. McGowan
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Two Canadian guys interviewing multi - million dollar business owners that are setting the bar for their competition while giving back to the communities they love.

  1. 06/24/2025

    Michael McDougall: Mastering Mindset in a Shifting Market

    In this powerful episode of The Not So Black and White Real Estate Podcast, Sir Colin Campbell and Gary A. McGowan sit down with one of Canada’s top agents, Michael McDougall. They unpack what truly sets elite Realtors apart — and it’s not what you might think. From navigating tough markets to mastering your mindset, Michael shares raw insights, real-world stories, and the psychology behind consistent high performance. Whether you’re new to real estate or a seasoned pro, this conversation is packed with the kind of perspective that moves the needle. What You’ll Learn: How to thrive when others pull backWhy mindset outweighs market mechanicsThe habits and thinking that fuel long-term successMichael’s honest take on leadership, legacy, and showing up daily Tune in and get ready to shift how you think — and how you succeed. ----Podcast Produced and Distributed by AgentInnovationStudios.com

    20 min

  2. 05/27/2025

    Mike Espiritu: Why Empathy, Not Hustle, Wins in Real Estate

    In this heartfelt episode of The Not So Black and White Real Estate Podcast, we sit down with East Coast powerhouse Mike Espiritu—Realtor, coach, and conduit of transformation—to unpack how empathy, storytelling, and language can redefine the client experience. From growing up with housing insecurity to becoming a top-producing agent and certified trainer under Phil M. Jones, Mike shares how he uses emotional intelligence, powerful questions, and authentic connections to not just sell homes—but to deeply impact lives. Whether you’re a seasoned agent feeling the industry shift or someone striving to lead with heart, this conversation will remind you what truly matters in real estate—and in life. 🧲 “Make it their idea.” The most powerful sales move isn’t persuasion—it’s helping people discover their own clarity.🧠 Empathy isn’t optional. In a world of automation, what wins is connection.📦 Listing packages don’t win clients—your listening does.🏡 Real estate isn’t about properties—it’s about permanence and peace of mind.🗣️ The right words build trust, and trust converts.🧩 Every story matters. Your past isn’t a weakness—it’s your superpower.💬 “What happened?”  “What’s wrong?” The questions you ask can transform relationships.📚 From cereal-box mazes to fridge magnets, Mike’s journey reminds us why we started. Sound Bites:🎙️ “Empathy can’t be faked.”🎙️ “Don’t flex your stats—flex your care.”🎙️ “You can’t automate trust.” Connect with  Mike Espiritu 1-506-232-7653mikeespiritu@kw.com https://theconduitculture.com ----Podcast Produced and Distributed by AgentInnovationStudios.com

    24 min

  3. 05/06/2025

    Phil M Jones; Exactly What to Say… in Real Estate

    In this episode of The Not So Black and White Real Estate Podcast, we sit down with sales legend Phil M. Jones to explore how the right words, asked the right way, can completely change your real estate conversations. From guiding hesitant buyers through tough decisions to helping agents build trust and clarity, Phil drops powerful, real-world scripts and mindset shifts. Whether you’re a Realtor, leader, or someone who just wants to communicate better—this one’s packed with gold. 🧠 Clarity sells — People don’t buy when they’re confused; great questions create clarity.💬 “The way I see it…” is a magic phrase to guide tough decisions without pressure.🏡 Buying a home isn’t just financial—it’s about the future you’ll be grateful for.🚫 Avoid “hustle language”; instead, make it easy for clients to say yes.🎯 The best salespeople aren’t pushy—they’re helpful and intentional.❓ “What happens if you do nothing?” — a game-changing way to spark urgency.🔄 Repeat objections in your own words to show you’re listening, not just selling.💡 Scripted doesn’t mean robotic—it means being ready for real moments.🧩 Every “no” might just be missing information—ask again, differently.🤝 Trust is built when people feel understood, not just talked at.Sound Bites: “Clarity is what converts.”“The words you choose, matter most.”“Don’t sell—guide the decision.” ----Podcast Produced and Distributed by AgentInnovationStudios.com

    18 min

  4. 04/07/2025

    Celebrating Excellence: KW Canada Gala 2024 – Award Winners Speak Out

    ✨ Episode Description: In this special episode of The Not So Black and White Real Estate Podcast, we take you inside the electric atmosphere of the KW Canada Gala 2024! 🏆🇨🇦 We sat down with award-winning Keller Williams agents from across the country to uncover the stories behind their success. From game-changing strategies to personal breakthroughs, this episode is packed with raw insight, inspiration, and real estate wisdom you won’t hear anywhere else. 🎧 In this episode, you’ll hear: What it takes to thrive in today’s real estate marketHow top agents stay motivated and focusedPowerful advice for new and seasoned professionals alikeUnfiltered moments and behind-the-scenes reflections from the Gala Whether you’re an agent looking to level up or a fan of great success stories, this episode will leave you fired up and ready to grow 💥 🛎️ Don’t forget to subscribe, share, and leave a review — it helps us reach more amazing listeners like you! #KWCanada #RealEstatePodcast #KWGala2024 #RealtorLife #NotSoBlackAndWhitePodcast #TopAgents ----Podcast Produced and Distributed by AgentInnovationStudios.com

    30 min

  5. 10/16/2024

    Justin Jeffery - Overcoming Burnout and Leading with Resilience

    In this episode of the Not So Black & White Real Estate Podcast, hosts Sir Colin Campbell and Gary A. McGowan sit down with Justin Jeffery, a top real estate team leader in Canada, to talk about his personal journey through burnout and how he rebuilt his leadership approach. Justin shares candid insights on the fast-paced nature of real estate, the mental toll it can take, and the importance of prioritizing health and well-being while striving for success. Key Takeaways:  • Justin’s personal experience with burnout: how it happened and how he recovered • Recognizing early signs of burnout in high-performance careers • The importance of self-care and mental health in real estate • Leadership strategies for building successful, motivated teams • Tips on delegation, focusing on long-term goals, and creating a culture of balance Guest:  • Justin Jeffery: One of Canada’s top real estate team leaders with a focus on sustainable leadership and team success. Hosts:  • Sir Colin Campbell • Gary A. McGowan Topics Discussed:  • Burnout in the real estate industry • Leadership challenges and strategies • Real estate career advice • Building a supportive, balanced team environment Resources Mentioned:  • For The Love Of Real Estate Conference – where the episode was recorded live • Mental health tips for real estate professionals Episode Description: In this episode, we dive deep into the topic of burnout and leadership with one of Canada’s top real estate professionals, Justin Jeffery. Justin shares his personal story of hitting a breaking point during his career, how he rebuilt himself, and what he’s learned about leading a successful team without sacrificing personal well-being. Hosted by Sir Colin Campbell and Gary A. McGowan, this episode is packed with valuable insights for anyone in the real estate industry, particularly those looking to balance high performance with health and happiness. Whether you’re a real estate agent, team leader, or business owner, this episode offers essential tips on avoiding burnout, building resilient teams, and leading with purpose. Tune in now to learn from Justin’s experience and gain actionable strategies to implement in your own career. ----Podcast Produced and Distributed by AgentInnovationStudios.com

    17 min

  6. 09/26/2024

    Ana Marin - Breaking Barriers in Real Estate

    Join hosts Colin Campbell and Gary A. McGowan as they sit down with the inspiring Ana Marin, a successful real estate professional who has made waves in the industry. In this episode, Anna shares her journey from immigrant beginnings to becoming a prominent figure in the Canadian real estate scene. 🚀 Key Topics: • Ana’s path from operations to leading a successful real estate team. • The importance of wealth-building and helping others achieve financial success. • Insights on overcoming challenges and breaking through barriers in the real estate world. • Ana’s role in the Keller Williams community and her leadership in the Vaughan Investors Club. • The power of simplicity and scaling processes for success. Whether you’re an aspiring entrepreneur or a seasoned real estate professional, this episode offers valuable lessons on leadership, persistence, and creating opportunities for others. 🔔 Don’t forget to subscribe for more insightful episodes! ----Podcast Produced and Distributed by AgentInnovationStudios.com

    16 min

  7. 06/13/2024

    Adam Pope - Journey from Addiction to Real Estate Triumph

    In this compelling episode of the No So Black and White Real Estate Podcast, hosts Sir Colin Campbell and Gary McGowan sit down with Adam Pope, a remarkable individual who shares his extraordinary journey from the depths of drug and alcohol addiction to achieving success in the real estate industry. Video Link Adam opens up about his decade-long struggle with addiction, which led him through jails, hospitals, homeless shelters, and detox centres. He recounts how the Canadian healthcare system provided the multiple chances he needed to find his path to recovery. With raw honesty, Adam discusses the turning point that inspired him to pursue a career in real estate while living in a homeless shelter and how he persevered through each challenge. This episode dives into the creation of "Clarity," a Keller Williams community initiative aimed at supporting those affected by substance addiction. Adam explains the importance of providing a broad support network and the vital role of empathy and understanding in recovery. Whether you've been personally touched by addiction or know someone who has, Adam’s story is a powerful reminder of the resilience of the human spirit and the transformative power of second chances. Tune in to learn about: - The impact of addiction on Adam’s life and his inspiring recovery journey - The role of community and healthcare support in overcoming addiction - How "Clarity" provides a supportive network for those affected by substance addiction - Insights on offering grace and support to individuals in recovery 🔔 Subscribe now and leave a rating and review to help us reach more listeners with these impactful stories. 👉 Connect with Adam Pope: - https://apoprealestate.com - https://facebook.com/apoprealestate - https://instagram.com/apoprealestate Join us for an episode filled with hope, inspiration, and the unwavering belief that it’s never too late to change your life. 💪✨ #AddictionRecovery #RealEstateSuccess #InspiringJourney #HomelessToHero #OvercomingAddiction #SecondChances #SupportCommunities #PersonalTransformation #NeverGiveUp #PodcastInterview #AddictionAwareness #RecoveryStories #RealEstatePodcast #LifeAfterAddiction #SuccessAgainstOdds #InspiringStories #HopeAndHealing #CommunitySupport #BattlingAddiction #ResilienceAndRecovery #EmpowermentThroughRecovery #SoberLiving #TransformativeJourney #MentalHealthAwareness #AddictionHelp ----Podcast Produced and Distributed by AgentInnovationStudios.com

    21 min

  8. 05/01/2024

    Bill Soteroff - Unveiling Real Estate Frontiers

    This episode is featuring a special conversation with Bill Soteroff, president of Keller Williams Worldwide. Recorded live from a bustling Canadian real estate conference in Mississauga, this episode dives into the transformative world of real estate both globally and within Canada. Video Podcast Bill shares his invaluable insights on the expansive reach of Keller Williams across 57 countries and nearly 20,000 agents, highlighting the cultural impact of real estate on communities and the importance of collaboration over competition in the industry. Through personal anecdotes and thoughtful discussions, Bill explores the intersection of real estate with personal growth and community development, emphasizing the role of realtors in these dynamic processes. Whether you're a seasoned realtor, a new agent, or just a curious listener passionate about the impact of real estate on daily life, this episode offers a deep dive into the nuances of the industry, the power of mentorship, and the vibrant culture of Canadian real estate. Tune in to gain a fresh perspective on how real estate shapes our communities and hear about the future of real estate from one of the leading minds in the industry. ----Podcast Produced and Distributed by AgentInnovationStudios.com

    28 min
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