Around this week’s campfire, Larry Weishuhn welcomes respected outdoor writer, firearms authority and veteran international hunter Phil Massaro for a lively conversation about Africa, dangerous game, wildlife conservation and the classic rifles that have defined the safari tradition. Phil serves as editor of the Gun Digest annual, contributes to the NRA’s publications and has written extensively about firearms, ammunition and hunting. He and Larry have shared hunts, contributed forewords to one another’s books and developed the kind of friendship that makes this episode feel less like an interview and more like two experienced hunters swapping stories beside the fire. (Podscan) The conversation begins with some good-natured teasing about the One Shot Antelope Hunt in Lander, Wyoming, where Phil cleanly took his antelope while Larry jokingly recalls making an excellent shot on a mound of grass and dirt. From there, the discussion quickly travels to the wild country of southern Africa. Phil recounts a recent safari in the Sango Conservancy, located within Zimbabwe’s vast Save Valley Conservancy. Having completed approximately 13 or 14 African safaris across countries including South Africa, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Mozambique and Tanzania, Phil has experienced many remarkable hunting areas. Even so, he describes Sango and the greater Save Valley as one of the most beautiful and biologically diverse places he has ever visited. The conservancy encompasses an enormous landscape that was transformed from former cattle country into productive wildlife habitat. During the safari, Phil encountered an extraordinary range of wildlife, including black and white rhinoceros, painted dogs, bateleur eagles, lions, leopards, elephants, honey badgers and large herds of Cape buffalo. Phil and Larry agree that Zimbabwe deserves greater recognition as a safari destination. Its buffalo, elephants, cats and plains game offer hunters a complete African experience, often at a more accessible cost than some of the continent’s better-known destinations. (Podscan) The rifle at the center of Phil’s Sango adventure was the Griffin & Howe Criterion, a beautifully crafted dangerous-game rifle built around a double-square-bridge Mauser-style action. Chambered in Phil’s favorite African cartridge, the .404 Jeffery, the rifle reportedly carries a price approaching $70,000. That figure inspires some humorous concern from Phil, who jokes about the pressure of carrying such an expensive firearm through the African bush. The rifle was put to proper use on both a bull and a cow Cape buffalo. Although professional hunter Mark Jansen initially promised shots inside 50 meters, both opportunities ultimately came at distances beyond 100 meters. Phil nevertheless made the shots count. The discussion becomes a celebration of the classic cartridges designed for the world’s largest and most formidable game. Phil explains his affection for the .404 Jeffery, while Larry recalls having a Thompson/Center Encore built in .416 Rigby for an earlier African hunt. They also discuss the enduring reputation of the .375 Holland & Holland, widely respected as one of the most versatile all-around cartridges for African hunting. (Podscan) One of the episode’s most meaningful stories comes from Phil’s participation in a management elephant hunt. After the elephant was taken, government representatives carefully weighed portions of the meat and recorded each amount before it was delivered to a nearby village. The system ensured that the village received the full quantity allocated to it and that the meat was distributed responsibly rather than disappearing before reaching local families. For Phil and Larry, this is conservation in its most practical form. A properly managed hunt can provide food, employment and revenue for rural communities while also funding habitat management and anti-poaching work. When local people receive a tangible benefit from wildlife, they have a strong reason to protect both the animals and the land that supports them. The story demonstrates that the results of a safari extend far beyond the hunter, the animal or the trophy. (Podscan) A central theme of this episode is the important difference between conservation and strict preservation. Conservation recognizes that wildlife populations and habitats must be actively managed. That management may include habitat restoration, anti-poaching programs, scientific population surveys and the selective harvest of animals when numbers exceed what the land can sustainably support. Preservation often promotes a completely hands-off approach, regardless of population size or ecological conditions. Phil and Larry discuss areas where unchecked elephant populations have severely damaged vegetation and reduced the land’s ability to support elephants and many other species. Protecting every individual animal without considering habitat limitations may sound compassionate, but it can eventually create greater suffering and ecological decline. Their message is clear: responsible, science-based hunting is not separate from conservation. In many parts of the world, it is one of conservation’s most effective funding and management tools. (Listen Notes) Phil’s fascination with Africa began long before his first safari. In 1996, he made the unusual decision to skip the opening day of deer season so he could see the film The Ghost and the Darkness. The story, setting and imagery awakened a fascination with Africa that he could not shake. That interest eventually led to his first plains-game safari in South Africa in 2004. Once Phil experienced Africa for himself, the fascination became a lifelong passion. Of all the game he has pursued, Cape buffalo remains his favorite. For Phil, buffalo hunting represents the complete safari experience: tracking on foot, reading sign, moving carefully through dangerous country and approaching an animal that demands both respect and complete concentration. (Listen Notes) Despite his international travels, Phil remains deeply connected to the hunting traditions of his native New York. He grew up pursuing deer and turkey in upstate New York and continues to appreciate the challenge of traditional North American hunting. As the conversation closes, Phil shares his enthusiasm for an upcoming deer hunt in the rugged Adirondack Mountains. That contrast captures Phil’s outlook perfectly. He may dream about African buffalo and classic safari rifles, but he can still become just as excited about carrying a deer rifle through the autumn woods close to home. (Listen Notes) Phil Massaro’s background as an outdoor writer and firearms authority Larry and Phil’s friendship and shared hunting history The One Shot Antelope Hunt in Lander, Wyoming Phil’s safari in Zimbabwe’s Sango Conservancy The remarkable wildlife diversity of the Save Valley Hunting bull and cow Cape buffalo The Griffin & Howe Criterion dangerous-game rifle Why the .404 Jeffery is Phil’s favorite safari cartridge Larry’s Thompson/Center Encore in .416 Rigby The versatility of the .375 Holland & Holland How management hunting supplies meat to African villages The difference between conservation and preservation Elephant populations, habitat limits and responsible management How The Ghost and the Darkness inspired Phil’s African dream Phil’s first South African plains-game safari Why Cape buffalo remains his favorite African game Returning home for a traditional Adirondack deer hunt This episode is about much more than rifles, cartridges and African game. It is a conversation about the places that call hunters back, the responsibilities that come with using wildlife resources and the friendships created through shared adventures. Phil Massaro brings both technical expertise and genuine enthusiasm to the campfire, while Larry adds decades of wildlife experience and his own memorable stories from Africa. For hunters who appreciate classic firearms, African safari history, dangerous game and the real-world connection between hunting and conservation, this is an episode not to miss. Subscribe to DSC’s Campfires with Larry Weishuhn, share this episode with another hunter and support the conservation, education and advocacy work of the Dallas Safari Club. This version is ready for the podcast website, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Outdoor Action and social promotion. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices