Breeding Smarter, Preserving Type, and Shaping the Future of Exhibition Poultry In this episode, we sit down with Mike Sayre, co-host of the Talking Chickens with M&M Exhibition Poultry Podcast alongside Matt Lhamon, for an in-depth conversation about exhibition poultry, judging, and the future of the hobby. Whether you're a seasoned breeder or just getting started, this episode offers a rare behind-the-scenes look at what it really takes to succeed in the poultry fancy. Mike shares his journey into poultry, from raising a wide range of breeds, including Cochins (his specialty), Modern Game bantams, Wyandottes, Leghorns, and Plymouth Rocks, to becoming a respected APA/ABA licensed judge and longtime exhibitor. As President of the American Bantam Association, he offers valuable insight into how the organization has evolved and what changes he's witnessed over the years. We talk about the art and responsibility of judging: how one becomes qualified, the challenges judges face, and what truly separates a "good" bird from a champion. Mike also opens up about controversial decisions, common faults in today's show birds, and the delicate balance between adhering to the Standard of Perfection and allowing room for interpretation. Beyond the show table, Mike reflects on the deeper meaning of poultry exhibitions, highlighting the camaraderie, community, and shared passion that bring breeders together. He also discusses how social media has influenced breeding trends, and what first-time exhibitors often misunderstand when entering the show world. The conversation explores some of the more complex and debated topics in poultry breeding today, including: The role of judges in shaping breeds, and whether "breeding to win" can do more harm than good. The challenges of double mating and maintaining birds that breed true to standard. Concerns about shifting priorities from utility to beauty in modern exhibition birds. The ongoing debate around American Gamefowl recognition in the APA. The risks of focusing too heavily on egg color at the expense of overall bird quality. Mike also shares stories from his background in the Thoroughbred horse racing industry, along with his extensive contributions to poultry education, writing articles, co-authoring books like Breeding and Showing Cochins: Making it to Champion Row, and developing resources, such as "Incubation and Brooding Ideas from the M&M Guys" and the M&M Master Mix feed. As we look ahead, Mike offers his perspective on where the poultry hobby is headed over the next 10–20 years, what concerns him most, and how breeders can stay grounded in strong fundamentals while adapting to change. If you're passionate about poultry, breeding, or exhibition, this is an episode you won't want to miss. Be sure to check out the M&M Exhibition Poultry Podcast with Matt Lhamon and Mike Sayre for more expert insights, engaging interviews, and up-to-date discussions on everything happening in the world of exhibition chickens. Thanks for listening! #PoultryPodcast #ExhibitionPoultry #ChickenBreeding #PoultryShow #BantamBreeders #APAABA #BackyardPoultry #ChickenExhibitors #PoultryJudging #HeritageBreeds #FarmLife #PoultryCommunity Make sure to follow and watch our future shows. We plan to dive deep into the world of breeding and genetics, nutrition and health management, and provide essential tips, so you too can create high quality strains. Whether you're breeding domestic chickens, gamefowl, or various types of livestock, this show is for you. Watch Bred to Perfection Live - Friday's at 6 PM PST / 9 PM EST on YouTube - Join Kenny Troiano and guests as they explore advanced breeding techniques, poultry nutrition, health management, and genetic sustainability-all with one goal: helping you create high-quality, long-lasting strains. See ya there! Kenny Troiano Founder of "The Breeders Academy" We specialize in breeding, and breeding related topics. This includes proper selection practices and the use of proven breeding programs. It is our mission to provide our followers and members a greater understanding of poultry breeding, poultry genetics, poultry health care and disease prevention, and how to improve the production and performance ability of your fowl. If you are interested in creating a strain, or improving your established strain, you are in the right place. We also want to encourage you to join us at the Breeders Academy, where we will not only help you increase your knowledge of breeding and advance your skills as a breeder, but improve the quality and performance of your fowl. If you would like to learn more, go to: https://www.breedersacademy.com