Show Notes In this episode of More Living with Jim Brogan, host Jim Brogan interviews Charlie Daniel, a legendary editorial cartoonist whose six-decade career with Knoxville newspapers produced over 20,000 cartoons. Charlie shares stories about discovering his passion for cartooning, his time in the U.S. Marines, and creating the beloved comic strip Rosie's Diner. Now 94, he stays active by swimming four days a week and cherishing time with great-grandchildren. The episode also features a "Dollars and Cents" segment discussing the differences between wills and living trusts, highlighting the importance of proper estate planning and beneficiary designations. Automatically Transcribed With Podsqueeze Jim Brogan 00:00:03 You're tuned in to More Living with Jim Brogan, broadcast live from the Brogan Financial studios at Newstalk 9087, where old fashioned values, expert knowledge and genuine understanding come together to give you the retirement straight talk you deserve. Jim's a former National Advisor of the year recipient and a financial educator, and he's here today to talk about how you can live out the best years of your life. Jim and the Brogan financial team have been helping retirees and retirees across the southeast for over 20 years in their pursuit of financial independence. You can reach them during the week at 865862 6800. So sit back, relax and get ready to learn because More living with Jim Brogan starts now. Speaker 2 00:00:48 Hello, East Tennessee, and welcome to All Living with Jim Brogan, where it's all about living the best years of your life your way. You're listening to Newstalk 987. And you know, even though caricature, art and satire have existed all throughout human history, our modern notion of political cartoons only began to appear in 18th century Europe. Humor and satire in the form of editorial cartoons have long been used to convey what is happening, both in the community and the political landscape. Speaker 2 00:01:20 Knoxville legend Charlie Daniel is known for his work as an editorial cartoonist for over six decades. His editorial cartoons have been a commentary on what is happening in the world by capturing a moment in time, whether public, political or social, steeped in humor and satire. And, you know, I grew up in Knoxville, been here all my life. And as a kid growing up, I always loved. And then even as an adult, I kept, well, even more so as an adult because I understood the humor a little bit better. But it was always a highlight to see his cartoons. He was born in Richmond, Virginia. He grew up in Weldon, North Carolina. He was a private in the U.S. Marines. Thank you for your service, sir. And studied political science at the University of North Carolina, where he began drawing the daily Tar Heel campus newspaper in 1955. Charlie was hired by the Knoxville Journal in 1958, and thus began his profession as an editorial cartoonist, and when the journal closed in 1992, he did move over and was hired by the Knoxville News Sentinel, where he remained until retiring in early 2019. Speaker 2 00:02:28 Sir, it's a great honor to have you. Welcome to More Living. Charlie Daniel 00:02:32 Well, thank you, Jim. It's great. Great to be here. Speaker 2 00:02:34 It's great to have you. As I say, I remember, you know, all really almost all of my life. Flipping to the section of the paper looking for the comic strip as a kid, of course, you know, it was peanuts. Archie. Beetle Bailey were there to start my day. First off, Charlie, how did you get interested initially in drawing cartoons? Charlie Daniel 00:02:57 Oh, it's a God thing. It was just, And like you, I love the funny papers, and and I like to copy them. And that was my heart training with copying, Krazy Kat and Little Abner and Dick Tracy. And so it's just the opposite. Cartoonists are born. Not made. I always thought so. Speaker 2 00:03:20 So you, as a kid, just would start imitating and drawing those. Oh, yeah. Those same cartoons. Charlie Daniel 00:03:25 Definitely. Speaker 2 00:03:26 That's great. what is the difference? Talk to us about the difference between a regular cartoon or a comic strip versus an editorial cartoon. Charlie Daniel 00:03:37 Well, I personally think they all make, a social commentary. You know, Schulz was fantastic on making social commentary with peanuts, and he surreptitiously got, religion snuck in, and then he was fantastic. So I I don't, I don't I don't really see a great difference between them. Speaker 2 00:04:01 There's always a sliver even in the. Even in the what we would think of as the comic strip. Charlie Daniel 00:04:07 When. When I was in college, Pogo and Little Abner was totally social commentary. And, you know, I, I was greatly influenced by Walt Kelly and and Pogo. I, I came nowhere close to imitating his his great artistic style. I was more, in the line of, Schultz and and and Herriman and Krazy Kat. That kind of odd. But, I love the social commentary that that Walt Kelly did with with peanuts. Speaker 2 00:04:45 Absolutely. How in a typical week, how many cartoons would you typically draw, and then how many of those would actually make it to print? Charlie Daniel 00:04:56 I would usually do 3 or 4 ideas a day because there was so much going on. Charlie Daniel 00:05:03 You know, you look at the paper and, and you're just making comments about whatever's going on. And then I would, go in and and show them to the editor and we'd pick one the run the next day. So I, we figured out that I had actually published about well over 20,000 cartoons and, they they had the most of them. I had the UT library in there. I gave, whatever cartoons were left that hadn't already given away. I gave to UT library and they had digitizing them. So you can go online and and go back to 1958 and see some not too well drawn Cartoons, but. Speaker 2 00:05:57 Well, it's amazing. So if you drew 4 or 5 a day, you were in basically you got with your editor and you picked one of them. So what happened to all the others? Did you save all those others or did they end up in the trash bin? Charlie Daniel 00:06:11 Oh, I recycled them. Oh. Oh, yeah. They would be in the pile the next day too. Charlie Daniel 00:06:17 So basically the ones I like. Speaker 2 00:06:19 So editorial cartoons, they, they do have a certain look. And you said you mentioned yours is kind of your style is from the artistic side, a little bit more like Schulz. but it's a way to communicate what is happening in the community and in the world. What initially drew you to the newspapers? Was it was it literally the comic strips when you were a kid? Is that what really drew you in? Charlie Daniel 00:06:45 Oh. Oh, yeah. And then and then when I, I went in the Marines and I got out and got married and went back to, Chapel Hill. And, we moved in next door to a guy working his way through med school. His name was Jim Kiley, and one of the jobs he has was with the Daily Tar Heel. And he. He saw the doodles I kept doing because whenever I picked up a pen or pencil, I automatically start drawing. And so he took me down to the Daily Tar Heel, and they said if I would draw cartoons, they would run them. Charlie Daniel 00:07:28 And so the guy I was, I was in business school at the time. And then I decided, if I was going to draw, political cartoons, I maybe ought to know something. So I switched to, political science. And so the next three years, I drew cartoon for the Daily Tar Heel and and studied political science. Speaker 2 00:07:55 And it's not just artistic ability. I mean, you've really got to have a shrewd, you know, to do satire. Charlie Daniel 00:08:01 Oh. Speaker 2 00:08:02 Really? Charlie Daniel 00:08:03 Yeah. Yeah. I, I was I was once told by a cartoonist that the drawing is 10% and the idea is 90%. Speaker 2 00:08:12 Absolutely. Charlie Daniel 00:08:13 So, you know, if, if you've got great ideas and you draw sick people, it works. So. Speaker 2 00:08:20 Absolutely. I agree with that. Now as a freshman. Well, some people may not know about you as a freshman at North Carolina. You were you played football. Charlie Daniel 00:08:28 I originally went to Carolina on a football scholarship. And, you were supposed to keep your grades up to level A, and my grades were level C, and so I was I was getting drafted. Charlie Daniel 00:08:45 And so, this this marine gunny sergeant came in to the, induction Santa looking for a few good men. And my ego said, here I am. And the next thing I knew, I was a I was a marine and still I am so. Speaker 2 00:09:04 But in football you played offensive line. Charlie Daniel 00:09:07 I was very offensive lineman. Speaker 2 00:09:10 Yeah. You don't look. You don't look. Charlie Daniel 00:09:12 I was £195. Speaker 2 00:09:14 Offensive guard. Charlie Daniel 00:09:15 Yeah. Speaker 2 00:09:16 Yeah. Charlie Daniel 00:09:16 And I was good. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:09:19 You were crafty. Charlie Daniel 00:09:20 Yeah. Well back, back then, you know, gods were, about £200 or something and tackled the war 240 and now chilies are 240, so, Speaker 2 00:09:34 Yeah. Yeah, it is, it's it's amazing. but you had to be crafty, though, at 195 and, of course. What did they say? Low man wins. Charlie Daniel 00:09:43 Yeah, well, I was quick, too, you know. Speaker 2 00:09:45 I'll be. Charlie Daniel 00:09:46 It. Yeah. See, when I, I was good at the senior in high school, I went to Fort King and Military Academy to play football, and then I went a post-graduate year to play more football, and that's when I got scholarship offers from all over and I went to USC. Speaker 2 00:10:07 So after the freshman year, you got drafted, went to the Marine Corps. How long did you serve in the Marine Corps? Charlie Daniel 00:10:12 two years. Two. Speaker 2 00:10:13 And then you came back and went back to North Carolina? Charlie Daniel 00:10:15 Yeah, came back and got married