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Scouting the Refs
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Scouting The Refs follows hockey officials across the NHL, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world, including news, rule changes and interpretations, suspensions, and statistics on officials and penalty calls.  Todd Lewis is a veteran broadcaster covering the NHL and other major league sports; a former host on the NHL Network and on NHL Network Radio, he’s also worked for TSN and Sportsnet as a host/anchor. Josh Smith is the founder of Scouting the Refs, the leading independent resource related to hockey officiating. #RefsPodcast

  1. 1d ago

    Elbows Up, No Hands!

    On this week's #RefsPodcast: Carolina's Rod Brind'amour is baffled after Seth Jarvis failed to draw a penalty shot after getting hauled down on a clear breakaway... we dig into the part of the rule that might have tipped the scales on that call.Golden Knights' Lauzon goes knee-on-knee on Sens' FoegeleOttawa's Hodgson gets five and a game for boarding Kings' ClarkeLiney takes out Pens' CrosbyOfficiating milestones for Hebert and MartenetPanthers' Gudas delivers an unpenalized flying elbowLeafs' Matthews head to the box for a faceoff violationRangers win a goalie interference challenge vs. KingsDevils' Meier was in the crease... or was he? Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠scoutingtherefs.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Threads⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BlueSky⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter/X⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Email us your questions - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠heyref@scoutingtherefs.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Questions? Comments? Just looking to vent? Call the RefLine and leave us a message at 585-484-REFS! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ #RefsPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

  2. Oct 23

    Goalies Behaving Badly

    On this week's #RefsPodcast: Chaos at Panthers vs. SenatorsTkachuk and Cousins both finedThe broken stick penalty that wasn'tBruins' Zadorov returns, picking up two penalties on one playPens' Crosby goes at it with Mammoth's Peeke, probably deserved an extra twoBlues' Snuggerud scores off the skate - good goal?Avs interference challenge fails vs. Flyers after Manson shoves Martone into the blue paintHabs' Dobes takes his own goaltender interference penaltyA rare goalie high sticking penalty, this one on the Penguins' Arturs SilovsWild's Hughes jumps too soon and picks up a too many men call in OTSabres' Power whistled for a high stick he didn't commit -and why they couldn't take it backMontreal Canadiens now lead the league with 4 goals lost to video reviewOfficiating milestones for Gibbons (800), Mills (600), and Halkidis (200)and should the NHL borrow a replay wrinkle the NFL is considering? Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠scoutingtherefs.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Threads⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BlueSky⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter/X⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Email us your questions - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠heyref@scoutingtherefs.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Questions? Comments? Just looking to vent? Call the RefLine and leave us a message at 585-484-REFS! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ #RefsPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

  3. Oct 16

    Right in the Balinskis!

    On this week's #RefsPodcast: Daisy down! Liney injured in MontrealRef interference as St-Laurent collides with Canucks' PettersonLeafs' Ekman-Larsson plastered into the boards, but no puck... and no call on VegasJackets' Olivier goes spearfishing down below, catches a major, game, and a fineIsles' Horvat gets throttled on an empty-netter, resulting in a two-game ban for Blackhawks' NazarMammoth's Vejmelka chucks a stick and gets 10Devils' Rodrigues gets a penalty downgraded from spearing - wrong call - and still gets a fineKings' Edmundson leaves the bench to join an altercation, even though 70.10 says you can't do thatCanadiens get three goals wiped out vs. Red WingsNo instigator for Devils' Kovacevic for starting a fight (after a clean hit) with Rangers' CuylleGoaltender interference, but backwards as Blues' Hofer takes out Wild's Kaprizovand court is in session! Checking out the latest suggestions from The Athletic's Rules Court Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠scoutingtherefs.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Threads⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BlueSky⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter/X⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Email us your questions - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠heyref@scoutingtherefs.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Questions? Comments? Just looking to vent? Call the RefLine and leave us a message at 585-484-REFS! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ #RefsPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

  4. Oct 8

    How Did We Get Here?

    On this week's #RefsPodcast: How was that icing, when the puck went in the net? A baffling call in the AHLDown goes a KHL official!Blues' Carlo goes knee-on-knee with Stars' HintzRed Wings' Kolesar gets away with instigatingHawks' Dach hits Kraken's Dunn from behind - no callSens' Stutzle hits Wings' Finnie from behind - no callKraken's Meyers hits Golden Knight's Olofsson from behind - finally, a call! Major and a game, but nothing from NHL Player SafetyBruins' Minten penalized after case of mistaken identityBolts' Hagel goes head-hunting on Flyers' MartoneSeattle's McCann shoves a liney from the bench, though he may have had a good reason to do soSens' Grieg, back from suspension, goes for a reverse hitHabs' Dobes loses his glove... and plays on, barehanded! Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠scoutingtherefs.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on ⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Threads⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠BlueSky⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter/X⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Email us your questions - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠heyref@scoutingtherefs.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Questions? Comments? Just looking to vent? Call the RefLine and leave us a message at 585-484-REFS! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ #RefsPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

  5. Oct 2

    What's Better Than This?

    On this week's #RefsPodcast: The 2026-27 NHL Season gets underway with some pre-puck-drop thoughts from refs Chris Rooney and Wes McCauleyThe Canucks' Rossi sees his shot go from goal to no goal and back to goal again - once the NHL's Situation Room got involved.Liney Ryan Daisy ends up in the Bolts' benchRef Graham Skilliter takes Mitch Marner out of the playFinishing up some preseason leftovers with fines to the Kraken's Ottavainen and Canadiens' MathesonBruins' Zadorov delivers an elbow... or does he?Karlsson vs. Ekholm - the wrong man was convictedSharks' Trouba and Nurse go after some TkachuksSabres' Metsa takes offense to CBJ's Olivier putting the puck in the net; Olivier takes offense to Metsa's objectionWe've got a goalie goal!and did Jack Hughes just take himself out of Lady Byng contention?Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠scoutingtherefs.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on ⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠Threads⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠BlueSky⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠Twitter/X⁠⁠⁠⁠. Email us your questions - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠heyref@scoutingtherefs.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Questions? Comments? Just looking to vent? Call the RefLine and leave us a message at 585-484-REFS! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ #RefsPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

  6. Sep 26

    Tuck That!

    Getting ready for the 2026-27 NHL regular season with a jam-packed episode this week: Zegras gets a penalty for tucking his jersey -- the first time it's been called in 13 years!Canucks' Chytil injured after run-in with refKraken's Ottavainen gets his revenge on the Flames' Othmann, picking up 2, 5, and 10, including an instigator penaltyCaps' Cristall gets the first fine of the preseason for a crosscheck to the faceThree suspensions to start the season as McAvoy and Grieg carry over, and Hellebuyck is a no-showSoucy's controversial hit takes out ZellwegerSens' Blais hits Leafs' Blankenberg, then Brisson steps in but avoids an instigator penaltyBlackhawks' Spellacy gets tossed for a headbutt, but no fine or suspensionRefs rack up the miles last season - 3.1 million of 'em Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠scoutingtherefs.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on ⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠, ⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠, ⁠⁠Threads⁠⁠, ⁠⁠BlueSky⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠Twitter/X⁠⁠⁠. Email us your questions - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠heyref@scoutingtherefs.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Questions? Comments? Just looking to vent? Call the RefLine and leave us a message at 585-484-REFS! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ #RefsPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

  7. Sep 18

    Protect Ya Neck!

    Enter the 32 Teams! The NHL is back from summer break and so is the Scouting the Refs Podcast. There's not much summer reading to catch up on with only one change to the NHL rulebook. Like Wu Tang said, protect ya neck! On this week's show: Five retiring NHL officials Four promotionsSix new hires join the NHL stripesThe lone rule change in the NHL rulebookThree rule changes in the WHL, including one that could revolutionize overtimeNHL players offer their suggestion on rule tweaks, and we weigh in on what might work and what might never happen Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠scoutingtherefs.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on ⁠Facebook⁠, ⁠Instagram⁠, ⁠Threads⁠, ⁠BlueSky⁠⁠, and ⁠Twitter/X⁠⁠. Email us your questions - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠heyref@scoutingtherefs.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Questions? Comments? Just looking to vent? Call the RefLine and leave us a message at 585-484-REFS! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ #RefsPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

  8. Jun 22

    The Stanley Cup Final Finale!

    That's a wrap on the 2025-26 NHL season, as the Carolina Hurricanes claimed the Stanley Cup in Game 6 over the Vegas Golden Knights. Wrapping up: Referee Golfin' Garrett Rank takes a tumbleCanes' Jason Blake gets called for tripping. A marginal tripping call? In the Stanley Cup Final?Tomas Hertl pushes the puck to win a draw. "You can't do that," says Rule 67 (and liney Trent Knorr, who saw it all happen)An AHL penalty shot call sends the announcer into a frenzy. Listen to him complain about it... and then undermine his argument!Congrats to the ECHL's Kelly Cup Champion Florida Everblades, who won - and got dumped.and what topics might be on tap at the upcoming NHL Board of Governors' meetings? Rule changes, perhaps?... --------------- Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠scoutingtherefs.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter/X, Instagram, BlueSky, and Threads. Email us your questions - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠heyref@scoutingtherefs.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Questions? Comments? Just looking to vent? Call the RefLine and leave us a message at 585-484-REFS! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ #RefsPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Scouting The Refs follows hockey officials across the NHL, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world, including news, rule changes and interpretations, suspensions, and statistics on officials and penalty calls.  Todd Lewis is a veteran broadcaster covering the NHL and other major league sports; a former host on the NHL Network and on NHL Network Radio, he’s also worked for TSN and Sportsnet as a host/anchor. Josh Smith is the founder of Scouting the Refs, the leading independent resource related to hockey officiating. #RefsPodcast

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