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Stuart Winchester

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  1. 16h ago

    Storm News 9/15/2026: Snow Pass + Monarch GM on snowmaking, chairlifts, expansion

    The Storm Skiing Journal and Podcast is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Welcome to the Storm’s short-form, news-focused podcast. Don’t worry, I still write long-form newsletters. Paid subscribers can leave a comment in the article below, or by joining The Storm’s chat (also below). I’ll respond to some comments in the next episode, which is scheduled for Wednesday, Sept. 16. Transcript update Following up on yesterday’s feedback, there are now two transcripts available for each podcast: * Substack’s transcript: This transcript is auto-generated when I upload the podcast file to Substack, which is the platform that hosts stormskiing.com. This one is cool because you can click on any block of text and the audio will jump to that point in the conversation. Click the “transcript” button above to access. * Zoom’s transcript: Zoom automatically generates this transcript as I record. It should be more or less identical to Substack’s transcript, but with names attached to each quote block. The downside of this transcript is that you can’t teleport to that point in the pod by clicking on the text block, as you can with Substack’s. Another downside: the timestamps are off, since I typically start recording prior to the start of the podcast. I’ll work on cleaning this up. So until the robots get smarter, we’re stuck with two different transcripts. Both are auto-generated, and I don’t proofread either one, as that would be the fastest way to make sure my quick-turnaround, up-to-date podcast turns into a slow-turnaround, out-of-date one. My hope is that Substack will soon hire or invent or weld from raw iron a robot that’s smart enough to know who’s speaking when. I’ll just keep following the robots around and using their hyper-intelligence until they decide to kill me. The Zoom transcript (click “transcript” above for the Substack transcript, which will zoom to any point in the video when you click on the associated text block; timestamps below DO NOT MATCH THE VIDEO) Stuart Winchester: Welcome to The Storm! I’m your host, Stuart Winchester. It is Tuesday, September 15th, 2026, and I am very excited today to bring you a conversation with the General Manager of Monarch Mountain, Colorado, Chris Haggerty. Now, I’ve never featured Monarch either on the long-form pod or on the short-form pod. 00:09:57.000 --> 00:10:11.000 Stuart Winchester: There’s never really a reason behind that, other than this is just kind of when it happened. If you run an area, a ski area anywhere in America, I do want to talk to you. I’ve just never had the opportunity to feature Monarch before, so we will talk about Monarch in just a little bit here. 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:27.000 Stuart Winchester: Part of the reason why we’re talking about Monarch is because they were one of two Western Mountains to this year join Snow Operating’s Snow Pass. Now, the Snow Pass, if you missed the news, it works a lot like the Indy Pass or the Mountain Collective Pass, where you get two days each. 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:37.000 Stuart Winchester: at a set number of ski areas. In this case, it’s planned to be 14 ski areas for the 2026-27 ski season. And… 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:45.000 Stuart Winchester: That product went on sale last Tuesday. I had Snow Operating CEO Joe Heschen on the podcast to talk through it with us. 00:10:45.000 --> 00:11:01.000 Stuart Winchester: Couple days later, I got an email from Snow Operating saying, Hey, guess what? Our first round of Snow Operating and Snow Triple Play, which are two different products, and I’ll explain the difference in a moment, sold out. So we’re taking it off sale. We’re putting it back on sale next Monday, September 21st. 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:13.000 Stuart Winchester: at 10 a.m. Eastern. It will be $349.99 for Snowpass, and $184.99 for Snow Triple Play. Still a pretty good deal. Those products at full price. 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:24.000 Stuart Winchester: the prices that Snow Partners gave me, and they anticipate selling both products through Christmas Eve, December 24th, just like they did last year with the first season of the Triple Play. 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:40.000 Stuart Winchester: They, the final prices they anticipate will be 3 99 99 for snow pass and 1 99 99 for snow triple play. So you get a nice little discount, particularly with the snow pass, $50 off if you buy it in the next round. So let’s talk a little bit about the snow pass because. 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:43.000 Stuart Winchester: When this product debuted. 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:53.000 Stuart Winchester: I… I’ve been saying for years, there’s 4 national ski passes, right? There’s obviously Epic and Icon, and those have some season pass unlimited tiers at certain mountains. 00:11:53.000 --> 00:12:08.000 Stuart Winchester: And a limited number of days at other partner mountains. And then you have Indian Mountain Collective, which essentially worked the same way, 2 days at each ski area that is on their roster. Uh, Mountain Collective is more expensive, tends to be your bigger, more high-end resorts, Snowbird, Jackson Hole. 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:23.000 Stuart Winchester: Uh, Sun Peaks up in Canada. And Indy tended to be the lesser-known ski areas, but still some really dynamite stuff there, and a lot more ski areas. Mountain Collective always has around 30, and Indy is more like 250, not counting their cross-country. 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:36.000 Stuart Winchester: ski areas. So, I always thought there was probably room for a fifth national pass, but I wasn’t sure, and as time went on, and more and more mountains joined multi-mountain passes. 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:37.000 Stuart Winchester: I… 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:41.000 Stuart Winchester: I thought, okay, maybe there’s not room for a fifth national pass. Maybe everyone who’s… 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:44.000 Stuart Winchester: who wants to join a pass has, because I know Indy, uh. 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:58.000 Stuart Winchester: Now, I’m not saying they don’t have standards, but they’ll let just about anybody on the pass just to help them get that exposure and that national marketing. But Snow Operating, the outfit that owns Mountain Creek in New Jersey and the indoor big snow ski area in New Jersey, they launched. 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:15.000 Stuart Winchester: their Snow Pass, and it’s a pretty good roster. Here, I’m gonna share my screen for those of you watching on video, and if you’re not watching on video, don’t worry, I’m gonna talk through it. So, here’s the Snow Triple Play East roster, and here’s the Snow Pass roster. Now, the Snow Pass has 14 ski areas on it. 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.000 Stuart Winchester: And you get 2 days at each ski area. 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:22.000 Stuart Winchester: The Snow Triple Play has… 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:27.000 Stuart Winchester: 23 total ski areas on it, and you get 3 days total. 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:43.000 Stuart Winchester: across all 23 ski areas. That’s why it’s so much less expensive. The most days you can use at any ski area is 2, so you can’t buy this as a 3-pack Force A Gore Mountain, alright? So, that’s the first important. 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:59.000 Stuart Winchester: distinction is that Snow Triple Play is a much more limited basket of days. You also don’t want to assume that they have the same roster. Just because something’s on Snow Pass doesn’t mean it’s on Snow Triple Play, and vice versa. Snow Triple Play right now has a pretty… 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:15.000 Stuart Winchester: Big roster that I wish was on the, uh, Snow Pass, because it has Jiminy Peak in, uh, Massachusetts, and also Cranmore in New Hampshire, which is jointly owned. It has Platykill up in the New York Catskills. 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:30.000 Stuart Winchester: It has all these summit ski areas around Quebec. It has Bromont, one of the great eastern townships ski areas. Uh, so that’s Snow Triple Play. Snow Triple Play does not have anything in the west. It’s all east. It’s all east coast, either eastern Canada or eastern New York. 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:45.000 Stuart Winchester: Uh, Snow Pass has… it’s a pretty interesting roster, and it’s a great roster for a very particular type of skier. Now, it does have two ski areas in the West, uh, Snow King, which has been controversial, I’m gonna set that aside, and Monarch, which we’ll talk about in a moment. 00:14:45.000 --> 00:15:00.000 Stuart Winchester: The core of the Snow Pass, and the reason why it makes sense, is because of the south to north line of ski areas that it offers. So if you buy the Snow Pass, again, goes back on sale for $349.99 next Monday, September 21st. 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:05.000 Stuart Winchester: You would get two days each at Bel Air, which is in New York’s Catskills. 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:07.000 Stuart Winchester: Gore. 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:16.000 Stuart Winchester: higher up in the Adirondacks, and Whiteface, which are all owned and run and operated by the state, all fantastic ski areas. So it’s 2 days at each of those, that alone would be worth $350. 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:33.000 Stuart Winchester: Then you add in the fact that you get two days at Mountain Creek, which is right there in New Jersey, uh, two days at the indoor snow dome, big snow American dream. Uh, if you have kids, two days at Butternut and two days at Mount Southington in Connecticut. Uh, Butternut is in Massachusetts. They’re both day drive distance from New York City. 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:42.000 Stuart Winchester: Let them wander around, let them explore. They’re both, uh, especially Butternut. It’s very up-to-date, very modern lifts, very, very well-run ski area. So… 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:45.000 Stuart Winchester: You have a really great little, you know. 00:15:46.000 --

  2. 1d ago

    Storm News 9/14/2026: Ikon, Indy Pass Shuffle; Top 5 Midwest Ski Areas; Race to Open

    The Storm Skiing Journal and Podcast is going to cover Midwestern skiing whether you like it or not. Don’t worry, Colorad-Bro, it’s your turn tomorrow. Welcome to the Storm’s short-form, news-focused podcast. Don’t worry, I will still write newsletters too. To browse a (robot-generated) podcast transcript, click the “transcript” button above - click on any block of text and the audio will jump to that point in the conversation. Paid subscribers can leave a comment in the article below, or by joining The Storm’s chat (also below). I’ll respond to some comments in the next episode, which is scheduled for Tuesday, Sept. 15. The Zoom transcript (click “transcript” above for the Substack transcript, which will zoom to any point in the video when you click on the associated text block; timestamps below DO NOT MATCH THE VIDEO) Stuart Winchester: Welcome to the Storm! I’m your host, Stuart Winchester. It is Monday, September 14th, 2026. Welcome to week two of the New Look Storm Skiing Podcast. If you missed last week, I am still doing the longer form pod. 00:15:53.000 --> 00:16:08.000 Stuart Winchester: But I’m cutting way back on the frequency of those. Instead, I am doing a shorter, news-focused pod that I release more often, and whenever possible, that I release the same day that I record it. 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:11.000 Stuart Winchester: And the reason that I’m doing that is because… 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:19.000 Stuart Winchester: the world has changed a lot since 2019, when I launched the Storm Skiing podcast, and when I launched it, there really wasn’t anything quite like… 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:26.000 Stuart Winchester: what I was doing with the long-form audio stories of a ski area’s background. 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:29.000 Stuart Winchester: I’ve done a couple hundred episodes at this point. 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:31.000 Stuart Winchester: I feel like… 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:47.000 Stuart Winchester: They’re evergreen. But what they don’t allow me to do is to really talk about what’s happening in a ski area right now. Uh Especially when there’s a lot of things happening and there’s a lot of pieces and parts shuffling around as there is right now in the Midwest. 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:51.000 Stuart Winchester: with multi-mountain passes. So, what I’m doing… 00:16:51.000 --> 00:17:06.000 Stuart Winchester: is I’m trying out a little bit of a new format today. The format… we’re gonna experiment, we’re gonna play around with it. Sometimes there’ll be a guest off the top, sometimes I’ll have a take off the top, uh, sometimes I’ll have a guest on for a longer period, and that’s gonna be the case today. 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:22.000 Stuart Winchester: Because right now there is so much happening in the Midwest with multi mountain passes and different mountains leaving and joining is completely changing the landscape there. So I want to bring in someone to talk to us at length about that. We’ll do a couple other fun things as well. 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:24.000 Stuart Winchester: Let’s bring… 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:27.000 Stuart Winchester: I’m in now. 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:35.000 Stuart Winchester: And there he is. Can you hear me, Matthew? 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:34.000 Matthew Zabransky: Hey, how’s it going, Stuart? 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:36.000 Matthew Zabransky: I can. 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:41.000 Stuart Winchester: Oh, I can’t hear you. All right. This is a flub, and this is why I haven’t heard her. 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:41.000 Matthew Zabransky: Thank you. 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:45.000 Stuart Winchester: Because I am not that smart. 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:49.000 Stuart Winchester: Okay, you there? 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:50.000 Matthew Zabransky: Can you hear me? 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:52.000 Stuart Winchester: Oh, yes, I can. Look at that. 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:54.000 Matthew Zabransky: Okay, perfect. 00:17:52.000 --> 00:18:07.000 Stuart Winchester: The technology known as headphones. Matthew, this is why you’re the production guy, and I generally stick to writing, because I’m an idiot. Alright, I want to introduce today the founder of MidwestSkiers.com. 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:13.000 Stuart Winchester: He founded that in 2018, and in 2020, founded MWS Productions. 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:29.000 Stuart Winchester: He is making all the Midwest content that I was dying for in the 1990s when I was a teenager living and skiing in Michigan, and the ski mags would completely ignore the region and maybe mention Boyne Mountain or Luton once per year, but he makes. 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:20.000 Matthew Zabransky: Okay. 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:38.000 Stuart Winchester: Top quality content. I link to it all the time in my stuff because no one else quite does it, as well as Matthew Zabranski. Matthew, welcome to The Storm. How you doing today? 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:56.000 Matthew Zabransky: I am doing fantastic. Stuart, thank you, first of all, for the opportunity, but more importantly, for also repping the Midwest. I think it’s such an important, obviously, region, and you have ties to it, I obviously have ties to it as well, so it’s great that we’re getting recognition, not only, obviously, in our region now, but on the national, even international scale, so… 00:18:56.000 --> 00:19:00.000 Matthew Zabransky: Thank you so much for doing that. I appreciate it. I’m excited to be here. 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:08.000 Stuart Winchester: Yeah, I love covering the Midwest, Matthew, and I still make it a point to go back and take a Midwest trip every year, because there’s… 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:01.000 Matthew Zabransky: Thank you. 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:27.000 Stuart Winchester: when I’m doing this podcast, there’s nothing quite like making relationships, like showing up at, you know, a 200 vertical foothill in the boondocks in Minnesota. People are like, okay, I’ll talk to this guy, even though, you know, I’ve never heard of him. So, but you are 100% Midwest-focused. I cover it where I can and whenever I can. 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:21.000 Matthew Zabransky: Mm-hmm. 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:26.000 Matthew Zabransky: Yeah. 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:37.000 Stuart Winchester: There is so much happening in the Midwest that we could talk about. I really want to focus today on multi-mountain passes. So… 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:34.000 Matthew Zabransky: Okay. 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:37.000 Matthew Zabransky: Mm-hmm. 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:53.000 Stuart Winchester: I’ll start by, I’ll just set this up and then I’ll, and then I’ll, I’ll let you comment on it. So if you go back about 10 years, there was nothing in the Midwest on multi mountain passes. You know, Vale had started to add a few things to Epic Pass and B Brighton and Afton Alps and Wilmot and such. 00:19:53.000 --> 00:20:03.000 Stuart Winchester: But the real inflection point came in 2019, when IndiePass came along. 2018, Icon added a couple things. So, right now, I’ll give you some stats. 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:09.000 Stuart Winchester: Of the 124 ski areas that I have inventoried in the Midwest, that you might have a different count. 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:10.000 Matthew Zabransky: Yeah. 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:15.000 Stuart Winchester: They’re 117 of those are public. 89 of those are public with aerial lifts. 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:28.000 Stuart Winchester: 58 of those, although there’s a couple that are just surface toes only, so 58 ski areas in the Midwest are now on a national multi-mountain ski pass. 10 on Epic. 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:32.000 Stuart Winchester: 11 on Icon, 37 for Indy. So, so to start out with, Matthew. 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:34.000 Stuart Winchester: How has… 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:47.000 Stuart Winchester: the acceptance of the Midwest by multi-mountain national passes change the calculus for skiers as they’re planning out their winter in the Midwest, compared to what it was for most of history up until just a few years ago? 00:20:47.000 --> 00:21:02.000 Matthew Zabransky: Yeah, it’s changed dramatically. It’s even going back a little bit further. I think the first initial, if you look at the statistics and you obviously know all this offhand, but back when you go back to Vail’s acquisition of Wilmont, Afton. 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:19.000 Matthew Zabransky: Brighton back in like 2012. I mean, that’s really what started to to kick off this like idea of like. Maybe the Midwest has some legs in it, as far as like developing skiers, and then, you know, bringing them into a pass portfolio that could bring them out west. So that was the very early set, you know, early iteration of this. And then, obviously, as we went along, there wasn’t. 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:37.000 Matthew Zabransky: too many options outside of just the epic pass. But then, like you mentioned, Indie Pass came in, and I knew, and it’s you know, as we dive into this, I do want to do a little disclosure here, and like Indie Pass was my very 1st client from a production side of things. So Doug and I, because I I saw the opportunity like there was an absolute gold mine here. I’m like. 00:21:31.000 --> 00:21:32.000 Stuart Winchester: Mmhm. 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:33.000 Stuart Winchester: Mmhm. 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:55.000 Matthew Zabransky: Because I got to travel around, that’s why I started MidwestGears.com, because we were… we were traveling for my wife’s job all over the Midwest, and every time we’d go to a new city, Columbus, Akron, I’d be a pass holder at one of these little ski areas, and I’d be like, holy crap, there’s a lot of them here, no one’s talking about them. 00:21:55.000 --> 00:22:15.000 Matthew Zabransky: But you know, once you start to realize there was this many, then you’re then you’re starting to think, okay, like, why isn’t somebody coming in here and starting to develop a past that could actually stand on

    Storm News 9/14/2026: Ikon, Indy Pass Shuffle; Top 5 Midwest Ski Areas; Race to Open
  3. 5d ago

    Storm News 9/10/2026: Ikon Adds Partners, Indy Pass’ Mogensen on Black, Smuggs, Midwest

    The Storm Skiing Journal and Podcast supports bears, quadrangles, and liberal interpretations of The Iliad. Sign up for the free or paid newsletter to get updates on none of these things. Thank you for supporting independent ski journalism. Welcome to the Storm’s short-form, news-focused podcast. Don’t worry, I will still write newsletters too. Paid subscribers can leave a comment in the article below, or by joining The Storm’s chat (also below). I’ll respond to some comments in the next episode, which is scheduled for Monday, Sept. 14. The Zoom transcript (click “transcript” above for the Substack transcript, which will zoom to any point in the video when you click on the associated text block; timestamps below DO NOT MATCH THE VIDEO) Stuart Winchester: Welcome to The Storm! I’m your host, Stuart Winchester. It is September 10th, 2026, and we have some big, big news in Ski World today. 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:14.000 Stuart Winchester: So one of the things that I focused on since launching the storm in 2019 is the rapid. 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:30.000 Stuart Winchester: Exponential growth in US based multi mountain ski passes and one of the biggest icon pass today released five new partners for the 2026 to 27 season. So I’m gonna break those down for you. 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:46.000 Stuart Winchester: I am going to talk a little bit more about IndyPass and some of their partner shuffles. Then we are going to be joined by IndyPass owner, Eric Mogenson, who will give us a breakdown on all things happening with Indy, Black Mountain, and Entebeni Systems. 00:06:46.000 --> 00:07:01.000 Stuart Winchester: reader reaction, but I want to jump right into Icon Pass. Icon hits us today with, as I said, 5 new ski areas, 3 are full partners, and those… which means 7 days on the Icon Pass. 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:06.000 Stuart Winchester: 5 days on the Icon Base Pass. All 3 are in Asia. 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:13.000 Stuart Winchester: The first is Matarau, Japan. That will be ICON’s 10th ski resort in Japan. 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:28.000 Stuart Winchester: And then, Icon, last year, was the first U.S.-based pass to add a ski area in China, and Icon adds two more today, though they’re nowhere near the ski area that it added last year. They are sort of close. 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:47.000 Stuart Winchester: to each other. So, we’re gonna break those down first, and then ICON added two mountains to its two-day tier, uh, which it calls Bonus Mountains, which ICON insists are not ICON Pass members, uh, but I insist they are, because you can access them with your ICON Pass. Therefore, they are on. 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:53.000 Stuart Winchester: the Icon Pass, no matter what Altera tells us. So, let’s start with Montreal, Japan, and if you’re on… 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:55.000 Stuart Winchester: The… 00:07:56.000 --> 00:08:04.000 Stuart Winchester: If you’re on the video, I’m going to share my screen here because we’re going to do a little visual helping. 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:10.000 Stuart Winchester: All right, so let’s take this away. All right, so the first one I want to break down. 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:12.000 Stuart Winchester: is… 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:26.000 Stuart Winchester: Madarao, Japan, and I’ve actually written about this ski area before, because they were an IndiePass member, and this is the article that I wrote back in 2023, when Madarao joined IndiePass, and Indie’s been a big leader in. 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:27.000 Stuart Winchester: Bye. 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:40.000 Stuart Winchester: building out a network in Japan. So, the ski resorts in Japan are interesting. I’ve not skied there, but I’ve been there in the summer and ridden the lifts around. 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:45.000 Stuart Winchester: And the skiing is very much like a mix of… 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:58.000 Stuart Winchester: The Cottonwoods and New England. And what I mean by that is, if you’re looking at the screen here, you can see the stats on Mattarau. 512 inches of average annual snowfall. 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:12.000 Stuart Winchester: Uh, but not a lot of vert, 1,444 feet, and as you can see from the trail map, if you’re looking here, it’s not a big trail footprint. So, what I mean when I say Cottonwoods is the snowfall, and when I say… 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:29.000 Stuart Winchester: New England, I mean the size. They tend to be not huge vert, sort of compact. If they do have a lot of vert, like the Jacuba Valley ski resorts that are on Vail, they tend to go, uh, kind of straight up and be side by side. You don’t have a lot of the mega resorts as you would have. 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:40.000 Stuart Winchester: in North America, or especially in Europe. So, it’s good that the passes are all building density in Japan, because the ski areas are not… 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:43.000 Stuart Winchester: This is not a place that you would go to necessarily. 00:09:43.000 --> 00:10:02.000 Stuart Winchester: like Vail Mountain and spend a week, or like Whistler. Another thing I want to note about Japan, you can see here that Matarau has some glade zones marked. In a lot of cases, skiing off-piste or in the trees, even though that’s what Japan is known for, in a lot of cases, my understanding is that that’s pretty heavily policed and forbidden. 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:17.000 Stuart Winchester: So you really have to research your ski areas before you go over to figure out which ones will actually allow you to go off-piste, which is what most of us want to do, right? If we’re coming from North America, we’re going there for the big powder. Japan is a little more of an on-piste tradition. 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:21.000 Stuart Winchester: a little bit more like Europe. So, I… 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:33.000 Stuart Winchester: there’s… to underscore the scope of what we have now available to us in Japan as U.S.-based pass holders. So, with the addition of Madarao today. 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:49.000 Stuart Winchester: Now, 53 ski areas in Japan have joined the Epic, Icon, Indy, or Mountain Collective Passes. And I actually, I want to show you something I have that’s really cool. So, I have this gigantic chart, and it’s kind of… 00:10:49.000 --> 00:11:04.000 Stuart Winchester: it’s kind of hard to navigate, but I’m slowly making it a little bit better. And so this is a chart that’s variously called a bunch of different things. Right now, I’m calling it the Encyclopedia Britannica. Sometimes it’s been the Passmaster. 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:17.000 Stuart Winchester: 5,000. And I just kind of change the name whenever I want, but the link is always the same. And what I’ve… it’s a really slow Google Sheet, and I definitely need a better platform, but if you go, there’s all these tabs. 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:33.000 Stuart Winchester: Down at the bottom, and again, this is where it’s nice to have the video, so you can see what I’m showing you here. So I have all these tabs. One of the tabs is all MegaPass ski areas. So I have this divided up, and these are just little tables that pivot off the main table, so all the stats are up to date. 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:35.000 Stuart Winchester: So first, I have this… 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:42.000 Stuart Winchester: chart here with all ski areas that are on any U.S.-based pass, and we’ll talk about that a little bit more in a second. 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:43.000 Stuart Winchester: Then I have… 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:59.000 Stuart Winchester: all U.S. ski areas, then I have New England, I have Japan, so let’s pause on Japan for a moment. 53 ski areas, 11 Epic, 10 Icon, 32 Indy, 1 Mountain Collective. You can see all the stats down here. Again, not big. 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:16.000 Stuart Winchester: skiable acre footprints, and really, Japan measures things differently than North America. They tend to measure snowpack rather than inches of snowfall. I did find a good average annual snowfall chart on Powderhounds, which is a great site that I’ll talk more about. 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:25.000 Stuart Winchester: for international research of ski areas. But if you see these acreage totals, you know, there’s really nothing much. 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:35.000 Stuart Winchester: Here’s Niseko United, it’s 2,100 acres, that’s 5 ski resorts combined, right next to each other. Rasutsu is, uh, is 2,000, but most of these are under… 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:51.000 Stuart Winchester: 500, so you really prepare yourself for that. It’s one place, I think, Japan, where it would help to get a guide. Everything tends to be pretty cheap once you get on the ground. In Japan, the lift tickets are nothing, so having someone to show you around and show you where you can go under the ropes. 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:57.000 Stuart Winchester: is a good idea. And, you know, I want to jump ahead to reader feedback for a moment. So I had… 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:14.000 Stuart Winchester: this comment from Allison Wood. She said, I look forward to seeing your future efforts. I know there’s enough in American skiing to discuss, but I’d be curious if you would further discuss European Alps destinations. It seems to be growing in popularity due to competitive pricing versus U.S. 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:28.000 Stuart Winchester: Western resorts. A week at Big Sky appears to be the same price as a week in Switzerland for those in the Eastern USA. The answer is absolutely yes. I do want to cover the Alps and Japan and all of these international destinations more. 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:43.000 Stuart Winchester: I don’t have the personal on-the-ground knowledge base with those ski areas that I do with the U.S. ski areas, so I’m reaching out to my contacts in Europe, in Japan, who know these resorts intimately, and I’m gonna bring them on the show to try to help us make sense, because if you go back. 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:47.0

    Storm News 9/10/2026: Ikon Adds Partners, Indy Pass’ Mogensen on Black, Smuggs, Midwest
  4. 6d ago

    Storm News 9/9/2026: Expansions, Loon GM Norton, Updated Pod Format Reaction

    The Storm Skiing Journal and Podcast is a reader-supported publication. The only way to interact with the podcast is to upgrade to The Storm’s paid tier. Thank you for supporting independent ski journalism. Welcome to the Storm’s short-form, news-focused podcast. Don’t worry, I will still write newsletters too (I blasted out this post on Smuggs joining Indy Pass this morning). To browse a podcast transcript, click the “transcript” button above - click on any block of text and the audio will jump to that point in the conversation. Paid subscribers can leave a comment in the article below, or by joining The Storm’s chat (also below). I’ll respond to some comments in the next episode. The Zoom transcript (click “transcript” above for the Substack transcript, which will zoom to any point in the video when you click on the associated text block; timestamps below DO NOT MATCH THE VIDEO) 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:56.000 Stuart Winchester: Welcome to Storm. It is September 9th, 2026 on a Wednesday. I’ve got a really great show for you today. We are going to visit with Loon President and General Manager, Brian Norton, who has been on the show before. 00:01:56.000 --> 00:02:04.000 Stuart Winchester: But we are going to have him on to talk about the Blackridge expansion that Loon announced last week. 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:10.000 Stuart Winchester: There’s actually a couple of expansion items in the news today, and I want to hit on those first before we get to Brian. 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:27.000 Stuart Winchester: Altera today confirmed a couple of things we already knew in their 2026 to 27 capital plan. So unlike Vale who tends to release all their lifts and expansions and projects at once, Vale or Altera lets them leak out. 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:41.000 Stuart Winchester: and then officially announces them sometime later. So, we had a pretty good idea these were coming. The first one will be up at Mont Tremblant, and Tremblant is… 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:44.000 Stuart Winchester: If you’ve been there, it’s… 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:55.000 Stuart Winchester: an IntraWest legacy, so it has one of these really nice walkable villages of the sort that I’m always pushing for, and it has really great ski terrain. Busiest… it’s… 00:02:55.000 --> 00:03:11.000 Stuart Winchester: Traditionally, Intrawest had the three busiest ski areas in Canada. They had, uh, Whistler was number one, obviously. Number two was Tremblant, and number three, surprisingly, was Blue Mountain, Ontario, which we covered on in the podcast. 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:14.000 Stuart Winchester: Pretty recently, but I want to… 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:19.000 Stuart Winchester: show you something here. So this is why it’s cool to watch, because you can see… 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:31.000 Stuart Winchester: some of these things on YouTube or Substack if you’re watching the podcast. So this is Tremblant’s timber expansion that they’re gonna open for 27 to 28. They’re gonna have a new. 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:46.000 Stuart Winchester: quad, high-speed quad, coming up to the Timber Summit with 8 new trails over here. Uh, and that’s gonna be… let’s see, they gave an acreage on that, 62 acres. So sometimes it’s hard when you see these things, especially if you don’t know the mountain. 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:57.000 Stuart Winchester: to really know where it fits in. So this one, here’s from the top, you can see the new trails, the timber trails, coming down here off of the new. 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:09.000 Stuart Winchester: high-speed quad that’ll come out of the Versant-Soleil base. And then here is the existing, if you’re watching, here’s the existing lift that comes up to the current Tremblant Summit. 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:19.000 Stuart Winchester: And you can see that right here. So the new expansion will go bloop right up here, and we’ll have some new trails over there. And then Altera also announced. 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:32.000 Stuart Winchester: or not really announced, but reconfirmed, that will be when the Club Med is open, so that all-inclusive experience will be there for Tremblant. So, nice expansion coming for Tremblant. Obviously. 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:42.000 Stuart Winchester: Altera has had a big expansion ongoing at Deer Valley for years and years. So, Deer Valley, prior to 2023. 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:46.000 Stuart Winchester: was really just Bald Mountain. 00:04:46.000 --> 00:05:02.000 Stuart Winchester: On over to Empire. Uh, and then here’s the front side, and then this little baldy peak was here. But over the past three seasons, they’ve really blown the place out and added thousands and thousands of acres. Uh, Deer Valley, believe it or not, is now the… 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:18.000 Stuart Winchester: Sixth largest ski area in America. And, and they’re opening 200 more acres this year. Hale Peak will be another high speed quad. I don’t have a vertical on Hale Peak, but they did confirm today that Hale Peak will be. 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:29.000 Stuart Winchester: 200 acres, so Deer Valley will now total 4,500 acres. It looks, it sounds pretty big, but right next door to it is Park City, which. 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:45.000 Stuart Winchester: Combined with the historic canyons is 7,300 acres. That’s the largest ski area in the United States. So those are a couple of the expansions that we have coming up. We’ll talk about another one in a little bit with Loon. And the reason I wanna talk about expansions with you. 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:47.000 Stuart Winchester: Is… is I… I… 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:58.000 Stuart Winchester: I write about this over and over again, but sometimes when I write an article, it fritters off into the wilderness, and I’m not able to… 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:12.000 Stuart Winchester: it doesn’t have the staying power necessarily where people might find it sometime later. So I want to revisit some of these points that I made in the past about expansions and how important they are. So I wrote this article a few years ago. 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:14.000 Stuart Winchester: And… 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:18.000 Stuart Winchester: I was looking at… 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:34.000 Stuart Winchester: So everyone always gets hung up on this active ski ski areas number. And the NSA has tracked this for years and years. And here’s the numbers you can see on the screen if you’re watching in 1991 to 92 season. 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:46.000 Stuart Winchester: The United States had 546 active ski areas. As of 2023 to 24, it had 486. The number for this season was right around 490. 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:49.000 Stuart Winchester: So, oftentimes. 00:06:49.000 --> 00:07:04.000 Stuart Winchester: We will see articles usually written by folks who are not ski media, just general media, and they’ll write about this number and they’ll find this statistic and they’ll point to the declining number of ski areas and say, skiing is dying. Climate change is killing skiing. 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:17.000 Stuart Winchester: But there’s actually a much more nuanced story behind that. So I pulled this number last year when I was reading an article from The Motley Fool, which is an investor site that I use. I love The Motley Fool. 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:24.000 Stuart Winchester: But it was talking about MTN stock, which a lot of you know is the stock ticker for Vail Resorts. 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:33.000 Stuart Winchester: And the Motley Fool article pointed out that in 1992, and this was their bear case, their case against buying MTN stock. 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:44.000 Stuart Winchester: During… I’m gonna quote here, the Motley Fool. During the 1992 ski season, there were 546 ski areas operating in the United States, compared to 486 today. This article’s from 2025. 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:57.000 Stuart Winchester: Supply, says the fool, is flat to shrinking. On the demand side, 3 of the top 5 busiest ski seasons on record occurred each of the last 3 years. Demand is up. So, they were trying to make the point that. 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:07.000 Stuart Winchester: Vail Resorts had a very valuable commodity, because the number of ski areas was shrinking. I said, wait a second, this doesn’t really make sense, because… 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:11.000 Stuart Winchester: How are you having so many fewer? 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:25.000 Stuart Winchester: ski areas, and so many more skier visits? Well, the answer is pretty simple. We have a lot more ski terrain. In fact, I did an analysis in response to that Fool article. 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:27.000 Stuart Winchester: And I found, just examining… 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:30.000 Stuart Winchester: The 11 western ski states. 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:40.000 Stuart Winchester: that, minus Alaska, that those 11 states had 54,598 more acres of terrain. 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:50.000 Stuart Winchester: available at their ski areas, their lift service ski areas, than they had in 1994. So, yes, there are fewer ski areas. 00:08:50.000 --> 00:09:00.000 Stuart Winchester: now than there were in the early 90s. There were 546 in 92, 486 today, but there’s a lot more terrain, and so what ended up happening was. 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:08.000 Stuart Winchester: The ski areas that were successful expanded. It was as simple as that. And when I did this analysis. 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:10.000 Stuart Winchester: I looked at… 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:24.000 Stuart Winchester: I looked at 92 ski areas that I had the data for from 1992, and they happen to be some of the biggest ski areas in the West. And I compared their acreage in 1994 according to a guidebook I had from that date that I’d kept. 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:30.000 Stuart Winchester: 107,671 acres was the total for these ski areas. 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:45.000 Stuart Winchester: Fast forward to 2025, when I did this analysis, those same 92 ski areas had grown from

  5. Sep 8

    Storm News 9/8/2026: Smuggs Joins Indy, Joe Hession Talks Snow Pass, New Pod Format

    Welcome to the Storm’s short-form, news-focused podcast. Don’t worry, I will still write newsletters too. To browse a podcast transcript, click the “transcript” button above - click on any block of text and the audio will jump to that point in the conversation. Paid subscribers can leave a comment below - I’ll respond to some in the next episode. Thank you for supporting independent ski journalism. /: The Zoom transcript (click “transcript” above for the Substack transcript, which will zoom to any point in the video when you click on the associated text block; timestamps below DO NOT MATCH THE VIDEO) 00:01:51.000 --> 00:02:02.000 Stuart Winchester: Welcome to the Storm! It is September 8th, 2026, and if you are a Storm regular, you are probably wondering what in the heck is going on here. 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:09.000 Stuart Winchester: Today, we are launching an all-new format for the Storm Skiing Podcast. 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:22.000 Stuart Winchester: It is shorter, it is news-focused, it will be more frequent, and it will publish the same day that I record it in just about every instance. 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:23.000 Stuart Winchester: So. 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:28.000 Stuart Winchester: It’s gonna have a lot of different elements. Uh, takes just… 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:31.000 Stuart Winchester: on whatever’s happening in the news. 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:34.000 Stuart Winchester: Okay, let’s scrap that and let’s start again. 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:41.000 Stuart Winchester: Okay, starting from the top. 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:42.000 Stuart Winchester: 3. 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:44.000 Stuart Winchester: Q. 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:45.000 Stuart Winchester: One. 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:59.000 Stuart Winchester: Welcome to the Storm! I’m your host, Stuart Winchester. It is September 8th, 2026, and I would like to welcome you all to a brand new version of the Storm Skiing Podcast. 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:02.000 Stuart Winchester: So, the long-form podcast… 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:09.000 Stuart Winchester: has been the default of the Storm Skiing Podcast since I launched in 2019. 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:12.000 Stuart Winchester: Very proud of the Storm Skiing podcast. 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:16.000 Stuart Winchester: We’re at episode 227. 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:26.000 Stuart Winchester: I have interviewed the leaders of nearly every large ski area in America, and the leaders of most of the large ski companies in America. 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:29.000 Stuart Winchester: But something started to feel a little bit off. 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:35.000 Stuart Winchester: And, you know, I started to think about the kind of podcasts that I consume. 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:44.000 Stuart Winchester: And those are mostly, frankly, around Michigan football, uh, which is my other obsession besides ski-ski-ski-ski-ski-ski-ski-ski-s. 00:03:44.000 --> 00:04:02.000 Stuart Winchester: tend to be much more news-focused. They tend to be much shorter than the Storm Skiing Podcast. They tend to publish the same day that they record them, and they tend to break down current events. For example, I just went to a Michigan football game. 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:21.000 Stuart Winchester: on Saturday in Ann Arbor. If you’re even remotely a sports fan, you probably saw the controversial ending to that game when Michigan got an extra second added on, and Bryce Underwood, the quarterback, tossed a Hail Mary to win the game when JJ Buchanan, our transfer receiver, came down with the ball. 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:36.000 Stuart Winchester: That’s never happened in the history of Michigan football, to have a Hail Mary ending that Michigan wins. So, on the way home, it’s a 10-hour drive back to New York, my wife and I listened to all the different Michigan podcasts that were breaking down that moment. And I realized that… 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:54.000 Stuart Winchester: as much as I like the Storm Skiing Podcast, and as much as a lot of other people like it, I was not really making the kind of podcast that I actually listen to. And that’s a problem, because in our current media environment, people have a lot of choice. 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:58.000 Stuart Winchester: They have a lot of of. 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:13.000 Stuart Winchester: different things they can give their attention to, and it’s hard to get and keep their attention. So, I want to say right off, I am not killing the long-form storm skiing podcast. It will not end with episode 227. In fact, I have about 5 or 6 in the can that I’ve been sitting on. 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:30.000 Stuart Winchester: for this news, and I will release those soon, and my thanks to the folks who participated in those podcasts for their everlasting patience as I got this together. So, I’m still gonna make the Storm Skiing Podcast. The frequency will go from about 45 a year at its peak. 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:47.000 Stuart Winchester: It’s probably about a dozen a year or so, and sometimes there will just be a time when the long form is the more appropriate form for telling the story of a mountain. If I have someone new on, for example, so for example, I’ve never had. 00:05:47.000 --> 00:06:02.000 Stuart Winchester: Uh, the GM or owner of Sierra at Tahoe in California, an important mountain on the podcast. Never had Wolf Creek on the podcast, never had Mount Baker. If I were to get one of those folks, I would want to do a long form, tell the story of the ski area. But it’s not always necessary to. 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:18.000 Stuart Winchester: Tell the entire story of the ski area and its history and its culture when you just want to talk about a new lift or you just want to talk about the fact that it joined a new pass. So this shorter podcast will be more frequent. 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:35.000 Stuart Winchester: It will have different segments, segments with takes when I just talk about what’s going on. It will still have interviews, much shorter interviews. Today we have an interview with an awesome guest, Snow Partner CEO Joe Heschen, one of the smartest guys in skiing. 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:45.000 Stuart Winchester: But before, Joe and I went on for two hours. This time, we’ll be able to condense it down. And then at the end of each episode, my intent. 00:06:45.000 --> 00:07:02.000 Stuart Winchester: and hope is to have reader interaction, and this will be a feature available only to paid supporters of the Storm Skiing Journal and Podcast, and you can upgrade to a paid subscription at stormskiing.com anytime. The podcast will be for everyone, as it’s always been. 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:18.000 Stuart Winchester: But only paid subscribers will be able to interact with the podcast. And the way that they will be able to do that is that they will be able to write a comment on the article that accompanies the newsletter on stormskiing.com. 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:32.000 Stuart Winchester: And the next day, I will read some of those comments and react to them as appropriate. And I’ll talk a little bit more about that later and why I’m doing it that way. But for now, I want to assure you. 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:48.000 Stuart Winchester: This podcast is going to come to you the same way your podcasts always have. Now, there is a video version. You can watch that on YouTube, will be our primary channel, as well as Substack, which is where the newsletter is published. There will always, always, always be an audio version. 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:58.000 Stuart Winchester: And it will always come to the same places that you have always gotten the podcast. If that’s Apple, if that’s Spotify, there’s some that I don’t even know. 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:11.000 Stuart Winchester: how the podcast got on there, or why it’s on there. There’s an RSS feed that spits this out from Substack. That will not change. The storm will be… when you go looking for it, you’re going to find the storm. 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:13.000 Stuart Winchester: So. 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:24.000 Stuart Winchester: This is something I’m super excited about because I think it will allow me to have a lot more guests a lot more often. 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:35.000 Stuart Winchester: there are so many great minds in skiing right now, and I feel like there’s a lot of negative sentiment around skiing and the way it’s evolving. There’s a lot of talk of a duopoly. 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:39.000 Stuart Winchester: But from my point of view. 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:54.000 Stuart Winchester: there’s not a duopoly in a way that is dominating all consumer choice. And the reason I have that point of view is I’m having conversations every single day with smart people. 00:08:54.000 --> 00:09:10.000 Stuart Winchester: thinking far ahead and doing great things to change skiing in ways that make skiing better, that make skiing access better. People like Joe Hesham, my guest today, people like Eric Mogenson, who runs the Indy Pass, people like John Schaefer, who runs a handful of mountains. 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:28.000 Stuart Winchester: in the East, people like Rick Schmitz, who runs three ski areas in the Midwest. Small ski area operators like Tim Meyer at Caber Fay in Michigan, who we’ll talk about a little bit later. So, I’m talking to these people all the time, and I’m seeing the independent ski areas are really, for the most part, doing fine. I’m seeing. 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:33.000 Stuart Winchester: Huge investment. I’m seeing huge innovation and. 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:43.000 Stuart Winchester: Because of the frequency of the podcast, and because of the laborious nature of turning interviews into written content. 00:09:43.000 --> 00:10:00.000 Stuart Winchester: I don’t think that I’m getting that to you in the way that I would like, in, in, in the way that you deserve. I want you to be part of this conversation. I want you to see why I’m so optimistic about skii

    Storm News 9/8/2026: Smuggs Joins Indy, Joe Hession Talks Snow Pass, New Pod Format
  6. Jun 4

    Podcast #227: Taos Ski Valley CEO John Kelly

    The Storm Skiing Journal and Podcast still has a podcast. Get new episodes the moment they’re live by subscribing to the email newsletter: Who John Kelly, CEO of Taos Ski Valley, New Mexico Recorded on November 13, 2025 About Taos Ski Valley Click here for a mountain stats overview Owned by: Louis Bacon (since December 2013) Located in: Taos Ski Valley, New Mexico Year founded: 1955 Pass affiliations: * Ikon Pass – 7 days, no blackouts * Ikon Base Pass – 5 days, holiday blackouts * Ikon Session Pass – 1-4 days, holiday blackouts * Mountain Collective – 2 days, no blackouts * Ski New Mexico True Pass – 2 days, holiday blackouts Base elevation: 9,350 feet Summit elevation: 12,450 feet lift-served, 12,481 hike-to Vertical drop: 3,100 feet lift-served, 3,131 hike-to. Skiable acres: 1,294 (some hike-to) Average annual snowfall: 300 inches claimed on website; calculated 36-year average using data sourced from Taos’ 2010 master development plan, Ski New Mexico tallies, and media reports is 233 inches. The 10-year average falls to 166 inches. Here’s the year-by-year breakdown: Trail count: 110 (24% beginner, 25% intermediate, 51% expert) Lift count: 13 (1 pulse gondola, 2 high-speed quads, 2 fixed-grip quads, 4 triples, 1 double, 3 carpets) Why I interviewed him Let’s start with a superficially troubling number: Taos’ long, steady decline in average annual skier visits: That doesn’t look so good, especially when laid alongside the long-term increase in national skier visits: Taos not only declined in the context of national skier visits, but also among its peers. In winter 1983-84, Taos drew more skiers (241,000) than Telluride (132,460), Big Sky (136,000), Jackson Hole (177,000), Whitefish (I’m lacking an estimate for that winter, but the ski area then known as “Big Mountain” logged 209,000 skiers in 1980-81 and 170,581 in 1985-86). Taos (dark blue line below), continued to out-duel this group through about the mid-90s before falling off a cliff: So what happened? 1995 Taos, a freeride mecca before freeride was cool, should have been perfectly suited to flourish in a cultural moment when skiers began demanding more interesting terrain than the groomed superhighways that had become the industry’s default setting. Sure, Taos was remote and a bit harder to access than, say, Keystone or Park City, but so were Jackson and Whitefish and Big Sky and Telluride. A partial explanation: Taos stopped modernizing. After replacing the Lift 2 double with a fixed-grip quad in 1994, Taos didn’t install another new chairlift for 19 years. The first detachable didn’t arrive until 2018. The resort banned snowboards until 2008. Meanwhile, Big Sky laced a tram to the summit of Lone Peak in 1995 and started pushing detachable quads up the mountain; the first high-speed quads arrived at Telluride in 1986 and Whitefish in 1989. It’s not a perfect narrative – while Jackson Hole rolled out its short Sublette detach in the mid-90s, the mountain didn’t install an upper-mountain high-speed chairlift until Casper in 2012. Skier visits went up and up and up all that time, probably due in large part to aggressive improvements at the Jackson Hole airport. Maybe, though, it’s as simple as this: banger snow years descended upon Taos – and New Mexico in general – from the late ‘80s through mid-‘90s. It’s little surprise that attendance ups-and-downs largely mirror snowfall patterns: But, as the corresponding trendlines show, Taos’ skier visits have not declined at the same rate as the mountain’s average annual snowfall. And while Jackson’s long-term average snowfall has remained relatively constant, attendance has crept steadily upward. Attendance spiked at both mountains when the 2018-19 season brought both plentiful snow and the introduction of the Ikon Pass: Unfortunately, Taos stopped reporting skier visits after the Covid-shortened 2019-20 season, so we have less concrete insight into whether the mountain’s recent investments in a reconfigured beginner area and a second detachable on the backside have insulated it from two historically poor snow years. This is why it’s nice to have basic visitation data, and why I’m pushing the ski industry to again publicize annual attendance for ski areas occupying public lands (since going live with a chart of 2,406 years of skier visit data for 97 ski areas with 10 or more years of attendance available, I’m up to 2,822 years across 108 ski areas, and I have a total of 3,802 years of data across 184 active U.S. ski areas for which I could find at least one year of attendance). We do know this: Taos doesn’t want to return to the world of 300,000-plus skier visits. Somewhere between 250,000 and 275,000 is the “right number for the experience we want Taos to have,” Kelly tells us on the pod. Meaning: fewer skiers spread via a modern lift network is a better business than 364,000 skiers funneling onto double chairs. This flips the busiest-equals-best narrative that made skier-visit counts a 20th-century bragging point. I’ve heard the same logic articulated by the leaders of Killington, Waterville Valley, and other ski areas that have created a better business even with fewer skiers on their mountains. Jackson Hole, too, halted its relentless upward surge – that 2020-21 dip was deliberate, as the mountain exited Ikon Base and implemented a reservation system. This approach makes sense to me. With U.S. skier visits surging (until this year) and an Ikon or Epic pass in every pocket, no one wants to brag about being busy anymore. Space is the new volume. Social media can still transform one bad liftline into an eternal meme, but at least most skiers on the ground will have a better day most of the time than they probably would have 30 years ago. What doesn’t make sense to me is why, in a less-is-more era, ski area operators have suddenly decided that skier visits should be guarded like Fort Knox. If fewer skiers is a good thing and a stated goal, why hide the numbers? The resorts ought to just say “Hey we’ve deliberately reduced our annual skier count from 300,000 to 250,000 [or whatever] to create a better mountain for you.” Instead, this secrecy around volume just looks cagey - if national skier visit numbers are up, then why should skiers just believe ski areas when they say “trust us, it’s better now,” and offer no data to support it? Perception is reality, and today’s skiing zeitgeist, as channeled by social media, tells us that American skiers perceive busier mountains today than they did a decade ago. But I’m getting off track. Since Louis Bacon bought Taos in 2013, he’s funded an almost-complete renovation of what had become America’s most decrepit destination ski resort. I don’t think any mountain operating on U.S. Forest Service lands has more completely remade itself in the past decade (rapidly changing Big Sky, Deer Valley, and Powder Mountain operate on private property). Glimmering new but reset to 1970s volume, Taos is beautifully positioned to tap a skiing public that’s burned-out on Colorado and Utah crowds but accustomed to modern lifts and snowmaking. What we talked about Taos as a family ski mountain; last winter’s Chair 7 upgrade and custom terminals; owner Louis Bacon’s mission to “improve everything without changing a thing”; why Taos changed from Skytrac to parent company Leitner-Poma for its newer lifts; Taos’ great base-area reorganization; the story behind the Free Tacos run; a green run from the top of every lift other than the fierce Kachina triple; Taos’ massive evolution since 2015; whether the mountain is committed to long-term independence; the founding Blake family’s legacy and presence at Taos today; executing rapid development on Forest Service land; [VIDEO BONUS: Cat photobombing]; running Taos with the context of having worked at also-independent Telluride; becoming a skier growing up in Nashville, Tennessee; Telluride’s evolution from semi-affordable to gigantic housing puzzle; employee housing at Taos; the logic behind the proposed base-to-base gondola and navigating local opposition; thoughts on the evolution of lifts 2 and 8; preserving parts of the hike-to ski experience; Taos’ evolution after the Kachina Peak lift; lift 7A; the Minnesotas glades from the masterplan; avalanche mitigation; old-school boot-packing; parking lot evolutions; an ideal annual skier visit number and why that number is below historic highs; and getting to Taos. What I got wrong * When we discuss the wood-paneled terminals on Taos’ new Lift 7, I ask if they’re thematically related to the “wood RFID gates.” This is a reference to an earlier conversation that I cut, about Taos finally installing RFID for the 2025-26 ski season (the gates carry a wood theme). * I said that the trees skier’s left of the Pioneer chair were not a named run, but they in fact are, and “Free Tacos” has a pretty awesome story behind it. * I accidentally asked Kelly to, “lay out the housing landscape for Telluride” but meant to say “Taos.” I didn’t catch this in real time, but Kelly – who spent several years at Telluride before moving to Taos in 2015 – caught it and course-corrected. Questions I wished I’d asked Taos’ 2010 USFS masterplan proposed a 7,045-foot-long, 2,363-vertical-foot detach quad that would have run parallel to Lift 1 to the top of Lift 2: We did, however, discuss the proposed 545-vertical-foot, 991-foot-long Ridge Lift off of Lift 8, and why Taos nixed that machine from its latest MDP: Why you should (or shouldn’t) ski Taos Taos, like Jackson Hole or Snowbird or Palisades Tahoe, has a toughguy reputation. The place ripples with hike-to chutes and glades. To calm visitors shocked by the vertical bump run rocketing skyward beneath Chair 1, Taos to erected this base-area sign decades ago: The sign refers to the infamous Al’s Run, which typically ripples wit

  7. Apr 27

    Podcast #226: Blue Mountain, Ontario President & COO Dan Skelton

    Who Dan Skelton, President and Chief Operating Officer of Blue Mountain, Ontario Recorded on October 27, 2025 About Blue Mountain, Ontario Click here for a mountain stats overview Owned by: Alterra Mountain Company Located in: The Blue Mountains, Ontario, Canada Year founded: 1941 Pass affiliations: Unlimited on Ikon and Ikon Base Base elevation: 229 feet/750 meters Summit elevation: 1,480 feet/451 meters Vertical drop: 730 feet/223 meters Skiable acres: 364 acres/147 hectares Average annual snowfall: 154 inches/391 centimeters Trail count: 43 Lift count: 11 (5 six-packs, 1 fixed-grip quad, 1 triple, 4 carpets – view Lift Blog’s inventory of Blue Mountain, Ontario’s lift fleet) Why I interviewed him: A Very Dumb Story About a Very Dumb Person, Volume I In the winter of 1995-96, I developed Vertical Fever, a syndrome in which the afflicted believes, in a way that is beyond reason and immune from contrary arguments, that the skiing will be better if the ski hill is taller. This was a problem. Because in 1995, I lived, as I had all my life up to that point, in Michigan. Specifically, Sanford, a flat town in a flat county in what may be the flattest region of the country, the Tri-Cities area of Michigan’s Lower Peninsula. Fortunately for a skier, Michigan is cold and full of ski areas. Unfortunately, these ski areas are small or short or both. The tallest of the 33 ski areas inventoried on the 1995 Michigan Downhill Skiing Guide is Boyne Highlands, which then and today promotes a probably made-up vertical drop of 550 feet. Right across the street was 427-vertical-foot Nub’s Nob, one of six Lower Peninsula ski areas to exceed 400 vertical, along with Caberfae (485 feet), Shanty Creek Schuss Mountain (450 feet), Sugar Loaf (500 feet), and Boyne Mountain (495 feet). I’d skied all of these and I’d skied them all many times since my first real ski season, which was the previous winter, 1994-95. But once I’d stopped summersaulting down the hill and learned to carve and to land jumps, I grew bored. Skiing in 1995 was not like skiing in 2026. Terrain parks were rare and, anyway, off limits to skiers. Jumping was forbidden. There were signs all over saying so. Everything was groomed and everything was about carving turns, even though grooming was inconsistent and the shaped skis that would transform the average skier into a carver were years away from mass market distribution. So I scoured maps and guidebooks for ski areas of any size in any direction that I could reasonably drive to. To the south lay Ohio and Indiana. Useless. To the north, at the far western end of the Upper Peninsula, lay several 600-ish footers (Mount Bohemia did not open until 2000), but Michigan is a deceptively large state made larger by the inconvenience of driving around gigantic lakes – those UP ski areas were 10 hours away. But also to the north, east instead of west and just over the Canadian border, lay Searchmont: 750 vertical feet of ungladed bananas skiing, with little cliffs and rocks and glades all over. It was a glorious real-life validation of the less-stuffy Canadian ski-area management culture that I’d read about in Skiing and Powder. And it was only a four-hour drive each way, an easy daytrip on the cruise-control-empty interstates of northern Michigan. This is what a Canadian 700-plus-footer is like, I decided, and I searched for more of them. That’s when I became obsessed with Blue Mountain, this mysterious guidebook mapdot floating south of Lake Huron. Stat-line, as listed in contemporary guide books: 720 vertical feet, 13 chairlifts and two T-bars, 920 skiable acres (this was, um, not accurate). A Midwest hack, a backdoor to a secret mini-New England unknown to Michiganders. As with Searchmont, I would rise at 4 and arrive by lifts-on and soar all day among the woodsy wide-open drop-step terrain of Ontario yahoo skiing. Yeah it didn’t work out like that. The first time I tried to drive to Blue Mountain, I wound up at Mount Brighton, 273 miles away in Southeast Michigan. A blizzard had forced course correction to a more achievable destination. But the second time, I made it. Here’s how it went, per a journal entry I wrote few days later: Monday, March 25th, 1996 – 11:53 p.m. Let’s just call Friday the day that didn’t quite flow. In fact, it didn’t flow like no day on skis ever hasn’t. First off, I only slept four hours. Normally , I wouldn’t give a f**k, but that was directly following three hours the night before, which didn’t help my status in an already exhausting week. Then there was the drive. I figured four, maybe five hours at the most, 250 miles, give or take. Wrong. I only realized this somewhere well over the Canadian border. Six hours, 350 miles. Then there’s the mountain. I knew Blue was big, but I was not, I’ll admit, in any way, shape, or form prepared for what I found Friday. The place is enormous by Midwest standards, though not as mammoth as I’d originally thought coming up the road, scoping out the two private resorts. Notice I said “enormous,” not necessarily “good.” Which is sad, cause, for one thing, they’re trying pretty hard to make a good hill, and, #2, I drove a long f****n’ way to get there. The whole thing bore a striking resemblance to western skiing – enormous base lodges, hugely wide runs, high-speed chairs. Which I suppose makes it ideal for families. Then there’s the fifty miles or so of safety fence, zero ungroomed runs, and as many jumps as a Fat Albert convention. This, I surmise, makes it extremely unideal for Stuarts. In fact, I really didn’t enjoy it at all. It was bland, repetitive, and almost sickening in its nature. I was tired, pissed, and lonely. The highlight of the day was jumping off the cornice which was the subject of much inner conflict. But I did it, and I’m glad, and then I drove home, and I’m glad for that too. I only skied four-and-a-half hours. My ticket was good til’ ten, but I considered a lot of things. For starters, it only cost me twenty bucks; second, I told Clint I was gonna make it a point to get out of there by four [to hang out], so I sorta tried; third, I’d skied the whole f****n’ place anyhow, and I really didn’t feel like getting home at four AM. It’s not like I didn’t ski well, cause I was actually carving and reacting magnificently (to the terrain, not the carving). I was fluid, but I needed more variety, and they just didn’t deliver. It would have been nice to have the internet in 1996 (it existed, but almost no one used it, partly because there was almost nothing on it, including driving directions, maps, or trailmaps). Great endorsement of Blue Mountain, Stu. You managed to convince people not to go and make the people who do ski there feel bad about it all at once. Slow clap for aggressive transparency. But my message here is hardly “Blue Mountain sucks don’t go.” Blue Mountain is, as it was 30 years ago, exactly what it needs to be: a rapid-fire lap machine optimized to provide a consistent ski experience to the residents of Canada’s densest metro area, Toronto. Blue is, historically and probably still, the third-busiest ski area in Canada after Tremblant and Whistler. It is a low-altitude, variable-weather, high-volume business tasked with the twin burdens of being the sole public outpost for recreational skiing in a ridgeline of upscale private clubs and being a profitable enterprise. It is, from a dollar-generating and Ikon Pass-dispersal-to-the-West point of view, probably one of Alterra’s most important ski areas. The problem, then, is not that every ski area isn’t like Searchmont. The problem is that, in 1996, I thought every ski area should be like Searchmont. It was like walking into a pizza parlor and complaining that they didn’t sell tacos. I was young and dumb, and it didn’t occur to me until arrival that a 700-ish-vertical-foot ski area dangling off the far eastern end of the Lake Superior wilderness (Searchmont), would, by custom and by necessity, offer a far different ski experience than a 700-ish-vertical-foot satellite orbiting metro Toronto (Blue). I thought every ski area should be for me and for people like me, like the people I read about in ski magazines who toured B.C. in rusty pickup trucks and never took bathroom breaks and who viewed skiing as a constant level-up challenge. Thirty years later, I view Blue Mountain differently, for two reasons. The first is that I’m sure that Blue, like nearly all North American ski areas, is a more interesting mountain in 2026 than it was in 1996. Freeski culture and snowboarding really did loosen up skiing’s stodgier tendencies, most visibly with the widespread building of come-one-come-all terrain parks. The second is that I no longer approach ski areas by asking if they are the best possible experience for me, but if they are the best possible version of themselves for the demographic of skiers who are most likely to ski there. And with Blue – which I will admit, I never visited again - the answer appears to be, always and ever upward, yes. What we talked about Oh Ontario; being a Canadian ski area owned by a U.S. company; “one of the beauties of being part of Alterra is our emphasis on honoring and preserving the uniqueness of each resort and each mountain community”; Blue Mountain’s Reserve Pass; fixing up Blue’s disordered lift mazes; growing up at the base of Blue Mountain; the amazing evolution of ski area technology; Blue’s wacky, charismatic founder; preserving the mountain’s independent character after it’s been absorbed by a conglomerate; Blue in the ‘70s; building Blue’s snowmaking system; big leaps forward in snowmaking during the 1990s; the rise of HKD; Alterra’s point of view on snowmaking; the hit-or-miss Lake Huron and Georgian Bay lake-effect snowbelts; snowmaking in the era of climate change; how snow-depth technology impacts snowmaking volumes; living th

  8. Mar 18

    Podcast #225: Waterville Valley President & GM Tim Smith

    Who Tim Smith, President and General Manager of Waterville Valley, New Hampshire Recorded on November 12, 2025 About Waterville Valley Click here for a mountain stats overview Owned by: The Sununu Family Located in: Waterville Valley, New Hampshire Year founded: 1966 Pass affiliations: * Indy Pass, Indy+ Pass: 2 days, no blackouts * White Mountain Super Pass: unlimited, no blackouts * Indy Learn-to-Turn: 3 days, includes rentals, lesson, lift ticket; limited lift access * Ski New Hampshire Kids Passport: 1 day with holiday blackouts * Uphill New England: no lift access Base elevation: 1,984 feet (highest in New Hampshire, 3rd in New England) Summit elevation: 4,004 feet (2nd-highest in New Hampshire, 5th in New England) Vertical drop: 2,020 feet (4th-highest in New Hampshire, 14th in New England) Skiable acres: 265 Average annual snowfall: 148 inches Trail count: 62 (14% novice, 64% intermediate, 22% advanced) Lift count: 10 (1 six-pack, 1 high-speed quad, 2 triples, 2 doubles, 2 T-bars, 2 carpets) Why I interviewed him Well no one wants to hear this but we got to $300 lift tickets the same way we got to $80,000 pickup trucks. We’re Americans Goddamnit and we just can’t do stickshifts and we sure as s**t ain’t standin’ up on our skis to ride back up the mountain. It’s pure agony you see. We need us a nine-pack chairlift with a bubble and a breakroom and a minibar and surround sound and Lazy-Boy seats and hell no we ain’t ridin’ it with eight strangers we’ll hold back and take a whole chair to our ownselves. And it needs to move fast, Son. Like embarrass-the-Concord fast because God help us we spend more than 90 seconds with our own thoughts. I’m not aiming to get kicked out of America here, but if I may submit a few requests regarding our self-inflicted false price floors. I would like the option of purchasing a brand-new car with a manual transmission and windows rolled up and down with a hand-crank. I would like to keep pedaling my bicycle. I would like to cut the number of holidays with commercial mandates by 80 percent. I would prefer that we not set the air-conditioners to 60 when it’s 65 degrees outside. This doesn’t mean I want to get rid of all the air-conditioners but could we maybe take it easy on the frostbite-in-July overkill of it all? My Heretic Wishlist for American Skiing includes but is not limited to: more surface lifts, especially to serve terrain parks, high-altitude exposed terrain, and expert pods; on-resort lodging that does not still require a commute-by-personal-vehicle to reach the lifts; and thoughtful terrain management that retains ungroomed sections for skiers who like things about skiing other than going fast. Waterville Valley is doing all of these things. It is perhaps the only major American ski area in decades to replace a chairlift with a surface lift on a non-beginner terrain pod, and the only one to build two new T-bars this century. A planned gondola would connect Waterville Valley the town with Waterville Valley the ski area, correcting an only-in-America setup that separates these inseparable places by two miles of road. The glade network grows annually in both subtle and obvious ways. This is not a ski area going in reverse. Waterville is modern and keeps modernizing. The four-year-old Tecumseh bubble six-pack, though bookended with T-bars, is one of the nicest chairlifts in America. Skiers still go groomer-kaboom on morning cord. Suburban office-park dads with interstate commutes and a habit of lecturing the Facebook Commons about the virtues of snow tires can still park their 42-wheel-drive Abrams-Caterpillar-F-15,000 Tanktruck in sub-parking lot 42Z and walk uphill to the lifts. But Waterville Valley is one of a handful of American ski areas, along with Killington and Deer Valley and Winter Park, that is embracing all of our luxe cultural excesses while pursuing the very un-American ambition of putting more skiers close to skiing. No ski area is perfect. For all the cash saved on those T-bars, peak-day Waterville lift tickets still hit $145. The mountain’s season pass is the second-most expensive single-mountain season passes in New England – more than a top-line Epic Pass (an adult WV pass includes a free pass for a kid age 6 to 12, which is great if you have one of those). That’s bold pricing for the 22nd-largest ski area in New England, especially one that still spins three Stadeli chairlifts that predate the extinction of the dinosaurs. And two high-speed chairlifts is not a lot of high-speed chairlifts for a 2,000-vertical-foot ski area (though about half of New England’s 2,000-footers run just two or fewer detaches). Yeah I know. Sick burn from someone who was waxing about surface lifts four paragraphs ago. I may have collected too many ski area Lego blocks in my mental bucket, and they don’t always click together back here on planet Earth. “More villages,” I say while dismissing Aspen as a subsidized simulacrum of itself. “Big fast lifts rule,” I say while setting off fire alarms as first-generation chairlifts disintegrate and the cost of their most basic replacements escalates. “No-grooming, all-glades makes the best ski area,” I say, while condemning resort operators for $356 lift tickets that dam the masses. “Vail is too expensive,” I say. “Vail is too cheap,” I also say. “Modernize our chairlifts,” I say while celebrating the joy of riding an antique Riblet double. I endorse ski areas splitting off from conglomerates and ski areas joining them. These narratives can feel contradictory at best and schizophrenic at worst. But that tension is part of what draws me to lift-served ski areas, where two things central to my worldview – wild nature and human invention – merge. Or perhaps more accurately, collide. Both forces act at all times not only to extinguish one another, but themselves: above-freezing temps trash two feet of new snow; bad liftline management cancels out the capacity benefits of a $12 million lift upgrade. Making a ski area function, then, requires continual tweaking, of both the nuanced and look-at-us-press-release variety. A ski area is a business, sure, but that’s almost a coincidence. The act of building and running a ski area is foremost an art, architecture, and engineering project that requires a somewhat madcap conductor to succeed. As with any artform, there is no one correct and final way to build a ski area. The variety is central to skiing’s appeal. But there are operator/artist attributes - flexibility, inventiveness, consistency tempered by openness to change - that contribute to the overall quality and cohesion of the individual ski area experience in the context of competing ski areas. In the current version of Waterville Valley, we find one of our best contemporary examples of a ski area evolving toward the best version of itself under the stewardship of owners and managers possessing exactly these traits. What we talked about The return of World Cup training and events to Waterville; drifting away from and back toward freeskiing culture; the best terrain parks in New England; why terrain parks are drifting away from mega-features; what happened to all the halfpipes?; and ramps?; no really no one wore helmets in the ‘90s; building terrain parks before institutional knowledge and the internet; the lost Hidden Valley, Wisconsin ski area; the rise of the high-speed ropetow; why Waterville replaced one T-bar and one Poma with a new T-bar (rather than a chairlift); why Waterville installed night skiing; the return of the Exhibition terrain park; self-installing the World Cup T-bar; Waterville’s ops blog; why the Tecumseh Express sixer needed new bubbles after just a couple of seasons; why bubbles cost so much and how Waterville manufactured a less expensive one; Tecumseh’s incredible wind resistance; MND lifts as an alternative to the two large U.S.-based lift manufacturers; a chairlift’s “infancy” and how different 2020s lift technology is from early detachable tech; how Waterville’s masterplan would reorient the mountain and skier traffic with an expansion and new lifts; Waterville’s declining skier visits and whether that’s a bad thing; how the resort’s 1994 bankruptcy changed Waterville’s trajectory; what stoked the Green Peak expansion; “we’ve been on a track to try to rebuild that energy we saw in the 1990s”; why Waterville turned away from discounting; “the right quantity of skiers on the right amount of surface”; building more terrain diversity; and a gondola connection from town to mountain. Should someone tell them they’re running it backwards? Video by Stuart Winchester. What I got wrong * I said that the “High Country double chair was still standing” – what I meant was that parts of it were still in place. The top terminal remains, sans bullwheel, and the base terminal and motor room remain as a patrol shack: * I said that Waterville hadn’t been known for terrain parks until recently, but Smith recalled that the ski area was more freestyle-centric from the ‘70s through the ‘90s, before pulling back during the first part of this century. * I said that 1,100 skiers per hour was “a little less than what a double chair would move,” thinking standard capacity for a double was 1,200 per hour. Smith says it is 900. Exact capacity varies from lift-to-lift, however. Lift Blog itemizes hourly capacities of between 800 and 1,200 for four of Smugglers’ Notch’s double chairs, between 1,000 and 1,200 for four of Mt. Spokane’s fleet of Riblet doubles, and 1,000 for Waterville’s Lower Meadows double. We all know, however, that the hourly capacity for a double chair is however many people are in line minus the number not paying attention minus singles who refuse to ride with anyone. So I don’t know maybe 50. Podcast Notes On other mentioned podcasts * World Cup competition returning to Sun Valley: * Heavenly

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