Audio Branding

Jodi Krangle

Keeping a consistent sound in how you present your company really is the "hidden gem" of marketing. But audio or sonic branding influences us in many different ways and in many different places within our lives. Education is key! I explore that here, both with my own observations and by interviewing knowledgeable professionals in the field of advertising, marketing, music, technology and science. Want to be a guest on Audio Branding? Do you contribute something unique to the world of sound? Send me a message on PodMatch, here: https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/jodikrangle and we'll talk. This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

  1. The Neuroscience of Sound: How Audio Shapes Emotion with Caitlyn Trevor

    16h ago

    The Neuroscience of Sound: How Audio Shapes Emotion with Caitlyn Trevor

    “Our brain really prioritizes vocal signals. They’re super important to the brain because human communication is a really big priority for us as a species. It’s a deep signal in our brain, right? And so, we were seeing a stronger reaction to the screams than to the music, and that sort of makes sense. There were more intricacies to that, but I can’t really remember the exact brain areas and all that. But it was cool to see that. Yeah, it is sort of mimicking, but our brain really separates them. You know, it may still get sort of a response, a same kind of fearful response, but it’s not going to be as powerful as the voice, um, which makes sense because music is not real, right? There’s a difference between a real stimulus and this sort of artistic one. Yeah, so it was interesting.” – Caitlyn Trevor This episode’s guest is an award-winning researcher and musician with over a decade of experience studying how people perceive and respond to sound. She holds a PhD in Music Theory from Ohio State University and has published her work in top journals. She was awarded a Marie Skłodowska-Curie Fellowship to study music and neuroscience, and she’s professionally certified in user research. As a musician, she has a Master’s in Cello Performance, has composed an award-winning short film score, and has designed sound for theater and film. At SonicUXR, she leads with both credibility and creative empathy, equipping sound teams with the tools to create more intentional, impactful audio. Her name is Caitlyn Trevor, and her work is reshaping how sound is understood, valued, and designed across industries. If you’ve ever wondered how sound really works on us, this conversation will change the way you listen. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (00:00) – Lighting a Musical Fire Our conversation starts with Caitlyn’s early impressions of sound, particularly the moment that sparked her love of orchestral music. “I came across on the floor like a little cassette tape and a cassette player, and I popped it in and just hit play while we were chatting, and it was the Lord of the Rings soundtrack,” she recalls. “I was a little too young when it came out, the first one, and I was just captivated by it. I mean, I was like, ‘Wow, what is this?’” We discuss the chance encounter during her musical studies that turned her focus towards music cognition and the neuroscience behind sound. “There was a lecture I went to totally by chance,” she tells us. “It was a new music theory professor, and the lecture was about music cognition, and I had never heard of it before. And I was like, ‘This is just the coolest field I’ve ever heard of.’ And I totally was on board after that.” (15:00) – Pianto Sighs and Psycho Violins Our discussion turns to her research on the connection between music and the brain’s primal response to voices. “In sad music,” Caitlyn explains, “there’s something called the pianto topic, which is essentially just a half-step falling motion, like, which is supposed to mimic a sigh. But, you know, that’s quite abstract… Whereas the psycho violin, you know, sounds very much like a scream.” She tells us about the birth of her daughter and how her career shifted from academia to the private sector. “I think a lot of academics are scared that’s going to happen, that it’s going to feel like, I don’t know, maybe they wasted all that time,” she says. “I was prepared that I may not be able to continue doing music cognition, and I’m very happy that that hasn’t been the case. That was surprising.” (21:40) – Putting Audio Theory to Practice Caitlyn tells us more about her work on UX research, and how it quickly and unexpectedly led to her focus on phone trees and hold-time experiences. “They hadn’t thought about the phone tree for that,” she recalls. “They just mentioned it, like, ‘Oh, and we’re also doing the phone tree and the on-hold music.’ And I was like, ‘Wait, that would be great for me to work on… somebody needs to do UX on that [because[ it’s the worst.’" She talks about the advantage of being able to put her findings to use, something that hadn’t been so easy at the university. “What I like about my new position,” Caitlyn explains, “as opposed to working in academia, is synthesizing it in a way that’s accessible… I never really did that in academia. It was always just about supporting your hypothesis, explaining the results. But now I get to say this research shows me that we should compose it this way.” Episode Summary Caitlin shares her journey from Lord of the Rings to the science of sound.The evolutionary origins of music and its impact on the brain.Caitlin’s work in UX research and creating a better phone-hold experience. Tune in for next week’s episode as we discuss the results of Caitlyn’s studies into on-hold UX design and phone trees, why unpleasant sounds are sometimes the better choice in automobile UX, and what she’s learned about the long-term return on investment when it comes to sonic branding. Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast: Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.com Connect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/ Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVO Connect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/ Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!) Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest! https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/ Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategy https://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/ Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/ This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

    32 min
  2. AI in Sound Design: Human Creativity vs Technology | Rune Eskildsen – Part 2

    Jun 3

    AI in Sound Design: Human Creativity vs Technology | Rune Eskildsen – Part 2

    “I grew up near the west coast here in Denmark, so yeah, the sea has always been there. And Aarhus is also a harbor city, so definitely there’s something relaxing about going down to the water and hearing the whistling. We implemented that in Necesse, actually. We have a water fountain that’s spatial, so that when you get near to it, you hear it rustling. You can sit by it and actually get the feeling that you’re talking about, of just, you know, [dreaming] away.” – Rune Eskildsen This episode is the second half of my conversation with composer Rune R. B. Eskildsen as we discuss the balance between AI convenience and human intuition, where the data we feed AI ends up and how it might be used, and his work on the upcoming, highly anticipated game Out of Words. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (00:00) – Navigating AI and Copyright Challenges As the second half of our discussion starts, Rune shares his thoughts on the growth of AI and how even a simple jingle can benefit from a human touch. “It’s a story that you are trying to convey through the brand or whatever you’re making that sound for,” he explains. “Yes, you could recreate the same thing with an AI, but it wouldn’t be able to encapsulate the thoughts that we’ve spoken about.” We talk about the environmental impact of AI and the data centers that power it, and how different countries are looking to offset, and even take advantage of, that impact. “Data centers are going up,” he notes, “I just learned recently that in Amsterdam or somewhere in the Netherlands, they use data centers to heat up the city. So they build them on the ground and then they heat parts of the city.” (15:45) – The Role of Human Emotion in Sound Our conversation turns to some of the privacy concerns that have sprung up around AI, and how they affect his use of it for professional clients. “Even though it might not go anywhere, we don’t know if it’s going anywhere,” he says about prompts. “It takes a snapshot and puts it somewhere and hides it. And there might be some secret stuff, so yeah, that’s also a concern.” He discusses some cases where, on the other hand, AI has helped clients better express their needs. “I think talking about AI as a tool,” he tells us, “maybe people would do that, say, ‘This is kind of the vibe that I want to do. And I’ve made it with AI or made it myself or whatever, but now I want you to do it properly.’" (22:00) – Rune’s Advice for Product Designers As our conversation wraps up, Rune elaborates on the different, often subtle impact that AI and human compositions can have on listeners. “I guess that’s sort of the same,” he explains, “[as] plastic plants and real plants. And that’s definitely, you know, it lights up and there are some colors which you really can’t emulate that well, even though some of the plastic ones are good.” He tells listeners how they can get in touch and talks about some of his upcoming projects, including the indie adventure platformer Out of Words. “We have some updates coming and we’ll be on sale on Steam when we go into winter,” he adds. “So that is nice. And yeah, we have some bigger updates coming.” Episode Summary Rune shares insights on the current copyright landscape in Denmark.Discussion on the ethics and sustainability of AI in the audio industry.Rune gives tips on how to enhance sound quality in product design. Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast: Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.com Connect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/ Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVO Connect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/ Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!) Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest! https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/ Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategy https://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/ Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/ This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

    32 min
  3. Sound Design in Video Games: From Sci-Fi to Immersion | Rune Eskildsen – Part 1

    May 27

    Sound Design in Video Games: From Sci-Fi to Immersion | Rune Eskildsen – Part 1

    “When I started on the project of Necesse, we had maybe thirty sound effects. I’ve made around 400, 350 sound effects, so it’s become much more immersive. You can hear animals when you wander around in the different environments. And just the feedback you get by playing the game, it’s quite nice compared to before, which were much more… maybe empty is the right word.” – Rune Eskildsen This week’s guest is a media composer, sound designer, and drummer based in Denmark. He writes music and builds sonic identities across formats, from commercials and podcast jingles to film scores, game music, and in-game sound design. He holds a Master of Science in Strategic Communication, which he applies to creative direction, collaboration, and clear, audience-first storytelling. More recently, he’s become the Composer and Sound Designer of the indie game Necesse, selling more than 2,000,000 copies. His name is Rune R. B. Eskildsen, and he bridges classical training and cutting-edge technology to tell stories through sound. This episode will give you a fresh, behind-the-scenes perspective on how sound can shape emotion, imagination, and even player behavior. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (00:00) – Growing Up in a Musical Home Our conversation starts with the movies and music that inspire Rune’s career in sound. “I clearly remember watching Star Wars,” he recalls, “and all of the soundscapes that are in, you know, just that huge universe, [with] TIE-fighters flying by and Darth Vader, that scary sound.” He shares his memories of growing up in a home that doubled as a music studio, and of studying classical music from a young age. “When I went to this special school in Denmark that is only for classical music,” he says, “and being there, being part of that, I played the French horn. At this time, I started to have ear training and music theory and all of that, which kind of led me on a path to try to make my own.” (15:00) – From Classical Music to Video Games The discussion turns to his work in the video game industry and how he got his start in composing video-game soundtracks. “I showed up at this incubator with game companies,” he tells us, “and I was, like, ‘This is me, I do music, I want to do music for games.’ And then some of the guys there, they said, ‘Hey, we want to work with you.’" Rune gives us a behind-the-scenes look at game development and recalls his sound work on MineRalph, a game where the soundtrack had to keep pace with the action. “So, because you gain speed if you’re, like, going down a hill or something like that, or down a hole,” he explains, “if you have high speed, the music will change into different adaptive layers.” (21:40) – Creating Immersive Gaming Soundscapes As the first half of our talk comes to a close, Rune tells us more about his work with video games and shares another memorable project that took some outside-the-box thinking. “That was like a dystopian world sci-fi thing,” he recalls, “and that was actually mainly symphonic music. But again, it was sci-fi, so I was able to design a lot of, you know, sounds that people did not hear before.” He shares his thoughts on where indie games are heading next and how organic creativity is becoming an increasingly valuable asset in the industry. “I think in terms of trends,” he explains, “people are trying to make immersive worlds that are standing out more than just being, you know, if you use Unity... making it more creative, making your own world, making it hand-drawn instead.” Episode Summary Rune shares his early memories of sound, particularly from sci-fi films.Rune explains his journey from classical music to video game soundtracks.Discussion on current trends in game audio and the role of AI. Tune in for next week’s episode as we talk more about the influence of AI in video games and cinema, Rune’s advice to musicians for juggling the rapid-fire demands of modern freelancing, and how countries around the world are managing the environmental impact of the AI boom. Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast: Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.com Connect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/ Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVO Connect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/ Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!) Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest! https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/ Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategy https://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/ Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/ This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

    31 min
  4. Sound Design Process: A Conversation with Kenneth Johnson

    May 20

    Sound Design Process: A Conversation with Kenneth Johnson

    “I think that sound drives the emotion of a scene, right? As much as dialogue, right? Sound and music, score in particular… I just think it helps to create emotion in a scene or augments the performances. Because you gotta have great performances, but great performance coupled with, you know, great sound design or a great score, it just makes you feel, it does something, it makes you tingle. It does something to you that just envelops you in that moment, right?” – Kenneth Johnson This episode is the second half of my conversation with sonic storyteller and founder of Artistry in Sound, Kenneth Johnson, as we talk about his experiences as one of the earliest Black sound designers in Hollywood, the changes that AI and streaming media have brought to sound design, and how horror movies in particular combine a variety of sound approaches to make a powerful impact. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (00:00) – The Role of Sound in Film Our discussion continues as Kenneth walks us through the process of sound design, from shooting script to the recording booth.“As I’m reading the script,” he tells us, “I’m sort of envisioning the project and thinking about, okay, well, what do I think it should sound like? And what can I do to embellish those scenes? And so once I’ve kind of digested that, then we do what’s called the spotting session with the creatives.” He tells us more about creating a cinematic soundscape and reveals just how little of what the audience hears comes from the action onscreen. “Everything, usually, other than the dialogue, we recreate,” he says. “Whether that’s a car race, a spaceship, or it’s by a river, everything that you hear, all the ambience, all the sound effects are redone. We’ve recreated that whole soundscape.” (15:45) – Production Recording vs. Post-Production Kenneth tells us about his up-and-coming experiences in Hollywood and the importance of diversity in the sound industry. “What I do is I try to give people opportunities,” he explains. “My team, you know, are from their early twenties to forty, and the majority are African American, and the majority of them, well, all of them, basically, I trained and mentored. And they’re very talented.” We discuss the growing role of AI and streaming content in sound editing, and how much software apps have changed the process since his audio career began in the ‘90s. “Once we put [the audio track] into iZotope RX,” he tells us, “we could see it, and so I had to figure out what’s making this resonance. I had to take some things out, and it turns out it was a metal music stand that was vibrating and causing that frequency.” (25:30) – The Future of Sound Design Our conversation comes to a close as we talk about the different roles and responsibilities involved in cinematic sound, from soundtracks to dialogue to each layer of Foley sound. “We want it to be able to breathe because if you just throw everything on the wall,” he says, “then it’s not going to be as nice as if you selectively pick what’s going up there. That’s important to figure out, who’s going to handle what, because a lot of times sound design and score can overlap.” Kenneth tells listeners how they can get in touch, and he offers his advice for newcomers in the sound industry, including the value of hands-on experience. “I can take you to a class and talk for a few hours about techniques… Are you going to retain that? Probably not,” he says. “If you’re able to get in there like I did and have access to being able to work and try out different things and get advice, you’re going to move faster.” Episode Summary We discuss how sound drives emotion and shapes a movie’s narrative.Kenneth outlines his creative process from script reading to ambient sound design.Insights and advice from Kenneth for the next generation of sound designers. Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast: Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.com Connect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/ Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVO Connect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/ Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!) Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest! https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/ Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategy https://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/ Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/ This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

    29 min
  5. Sound Design Secrets: A Conversation with Kenneth Johnson

    May 13

    Sound Design Secrets: A Conversation with Kenneth Johnson

    This episode’s guest is an award–winning supervising sound designer whose groundbreaking work has shaped the sound of some of television and film’s most iconic projects, including Netflix’s hit series Forever and Kevin Hart’s animated comedy Lil Kev. Born and raised in South Central Los Angeles, he rose through the ranks of Hollywood post-production, breaking barriers as one of the few Black sound designers in the industry and earning multiple MPSE Golden Reel Awards and Emmy nominations. Today, he’s not only redefining sonic storytelling but also championing greater diversity behind the scenes, ensuring the voices shaping what we hear are as dynamic as the stories themselves. His name is Kenneth Johnson, and in this episode, we’ll discover how he transforms silence into emotion and builds powerful storytelling through every note, tone, and texture. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (00:00) – Kenneth’s Early Influences We start things off with a look at Kenneth’s journey from a childhood in the South Central projects to an award-winning Hollywood career. “Something just came over me, and I said, you know what? This is it, I’m kind of done,” he recalls a pivotal moment early in life. “I had to make a decision as to what I wanted to do with the rest of my life, and, you know, I’ve always liked music.” He tells us about his early career in post-production sound and a chance encounter with producer J.R. DeLang. “He said, ‘That’s great, but you can’t come in and just sit in that chair. You’ve got to work your way up to that.’” Kenneth tells us of their first meeting. “He said, ‘we’ve got two positions that usually work their way up to being [soundtrack] mixers, and that’s a dialogue editor and a sound effects editor.’” (12:45) – The Journey to Sound Design Kenneth tells us more about his work as a sound designer and the art of creating impossible sounds, such as the wild inventions in the Honey, I Shrunk the Kids series. “They were always creating these contraptions and things that don’t exist,” he says, “so you had to figure it out in your mind. You’d have to say, ‘Well, what do I think it sounds like?’ Or what should it sound like? And then you start putting pieces together.” He recalls his sound editing work from a memorable scene in the award-winning movie Road to Perdition and the thought process behind it. “We started out with just hearing the sounds of winter,” Kenneth explains. “And then he tries to start the car, and the car is not really functioning and he’s having an issue starting it. And so that whole sequence of him trying to start the car and then finally getting it started was, it was just really beautiful.” (25:30) – The Power of Silence As the first half of our conversation wraps up, Kenneth emphasizes the importance of testing sound work in its native format as well as the studio. “I think a lot of times people don’t do that,” he says. “They don’t play it back in the medium that it’s meant to be played on. They just play it in the room and it sounds fantastic, right? But then when you squash it all down to a stereo file, it will sound different.” We talk about what goes into setting up an ideal sound studio and about the importance of “tuning” a room. “Say there’s a dip in the low end,” he explains, “and the room hasn’t been compensated. We’re going to push the low end, which means that possibly when it gets to another playback format, the bass is going to be really loud. So we try to mix in a neutral environment where everything is flat.” Episode Summary Kenneth discusses his childhood and transition to film and television sound design.We discuss the challenge of creating sound effects for things that don’t exist.Kenneth emphasizes the importance of maintaining an ideal studio sound space. Tune in for next week’s episode as we discuss how Kenneth puts sound to work in shaping a narrative, how his role as a sound designer has changed since digital sound editing became the norm, and his advice for people who are just starting out in post-production and sound editing. Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast: Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.com Connect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/ Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVO Connect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/ Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!) Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest! https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/ Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategy https://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/ Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/ This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

    32 min
  6. AI in Business and Creativity: A Conversation with David Gielan

    May 6

    AI in Business and Creativity: A Conversation with David Gielan

    “The reason why brands and companies should be thinking about audio is because all of their consumers are, whether they know it or not. I mean, to your point about people knowing when something doesn’t feel right but not necessarily knowing why, a lot of times it’s audio. Especially now too, with so much AI slop and the level of inauthenticity that is being broadcasted, a really great song jingle, like a really well-crafted sound design for movements in things like action, sports, or what have you, that can bring in the viewer or the listener into a world that I just cannot.” – David Gielan This episode is the second half of my conversation with founder and CEO of Dominant Creative, and founder and CTO of DominantLabs.AI, David Gielan, as we discuss the shifting balance between AI content and natural creativity, where he sees the advertising industry heading as human artists become more of a luxury, and the link between branding, better sales, and the power of sound. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (00:00) – The Importance of Audio in Marketing The second half of our conversation starts as David relays a lesson Emma Thompson shared in one of her books about the impact that just writing our thoughts down can have on the brain. “She says there’s a relation between the way that our brain works and our hand,” he recalls. “You fundamentally learn what it is you’re putting down on paper by having that connection, which I think is really interesting. And we totally miss it if we put it into an AI chatbot.” We focus on the steady growth of AI in the advertising industry, and how it’s making organic content both less common and more valuable. “In the same way that I buy vinyl and listen to vinyl,” David says, “that’s how voiceover, and, in my humble opinion, sound design, music creation, all these things will be. There will be a premium for it, and there’ll be a much smaller group doing it because you will not be able to make a living at it.” (08:15) – AI’s Impact on Creativity David tells us more about his creative process, and how he took a deliberately low-tech approach to mixing his last album: “I didn’t want samples from somebody I’ve never met, somebody I didn’t know who played it in some studio in Prague to have their stuff on my record,” he explains. “And so I think there are more people out there who feel the same way that I do.” AI can have its advantages, though, and he describes how he puts it to use when brainstorming. “When I want to sketch out storyboards,” he says, “it’s much easier for me to clarify that idea and then have it animated… Not because I’m trying to put out a final product, but because I’m trying to understand better what I want.” (22:35) – Crafting an Authentic Brand Sound As our conversation comes to a close, David shares some of the projects that have marked the highlights of his career, and the role sound played in shaping their success. “One of the proudest things I have in my career is a piece of audio that’s absolutely defined the legacy of that brand. And it is very easy to forget what drives a consumer to make a purchasing decision to align themselves with an identity because that’s essentially what, you know, your dollars go to.” We discuss the link between visual, audio, and ad revenue, and how he puts all three to use to build a successful brand. “The thing I spend most of my time doing is connecting the dots between a good brand and better sales,” he tells us. “Ultimately, that’s what it will or will not do. And audio is a massive part of that.” Episode Summary David discusses why brands should focus on authentic audio experiences.The conversation shifts to the effects of AI on sound design and creativity.David shares his philosophy on creating sound with a personal touch. Connect with the Guest Dominant Creative’s website: https://dominantcreative.com/ David’s website: https://gielan.com/ Follow David Gielan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dgielan/ Follow David Gielan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/davidgielan/ Follow David Gielan on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidgielan/ Get your complimentary mini e-book and learn how to create your personalized and branded audio branding strategy with my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategy. Do you need a voice talent for your next project? Visit my voice-over website to find out more about how my voice can help you with your audio brand. You can also subscribe to the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube to watch the show’s latest episodes. Please leave the Audio Branding Podcast a written review so others can find the show on their favorite podcast player! Want to be a guest on Audio Branding? Send Jodi a message on PodMatch, here: https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/jodikrangle. This interview episode was very skillfully made to sound beautiful by the talented Humberto Franco. ** Transcript available upon request This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

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  7. Audio Branding and Sound Design: A Conversation with David Gielan

    Apr 29

    Audio Branding and Sound Design: A Conversation with David Gielan

    “To your point, like it can make or break campaigns, can make or break TV and film. I mean, you know, there’s mumblegate that’s happening, like with all the streamers where I can’t understand half the things that are being spoken... And in the interview, he was like, ‘Well, it’s just not important to me.’ I’m like, what?” – David Gielan This week’s guest is a six-time founder and creative strategist who knows the power of sound in shaping stories that stick. As founder of Dominant Creative, a global agency and production company, he helps brands harness audio to spark connection and inspire change. His name is David Gielan, and in this episode, he shares how sound influences branding, fuels emotion, and helps organizations stand out in a noisy world. If you care about where audio is headed, you’ll want to hear this one. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (00:00) – David’s Journey from Music to Marketing As our conversation starts, David recalls his early memories of sound and how he’s passing on the lessons he learned to his own children. “Being even two or three years old,” he says, “I have these memories of dancing to records in my home and, you know, I just try to impart that on my kids too when they were very young.” He tells us more about his experience in marketing and ad production, and how having a background in music can sometimes be a mixed blessing. “I am not a person who can go to live music events as just an appreciator of music,” David explains. “It makes it absolutely impossible for me…. I’m just going to be sitting there in my head trying to pick it apart, not in a negative way, but just in a way of trying to understand how it was all put together.” (08:15) – Mumblegate and Audio Clarity The discussion continues as David tells us more about the role sound plays in his approach to branding. “ I also have always been the kind of director and creative who is considering sound at each stage of the process,” he tells us. “And so I’m also doing the edit in my head and I’m doing the sound design in my head while we’re filming, while we’re working on it, and so it just gives me a greater level of control, but also creative inspiration as I’m working.” Our conversation turns to “mumblegate,” the sound editing trend that’s making streaming audio harder to hear than ever, and how it can work against a marketing campaign. “I think for a lot of people,” he adds, “sound is usually an afterthought, especially because advertising a lot of time is a very visual medium… The creatives that I love working with most are the ones who come from post before they started getting into the director’s chair, because they understand how something incredibly simple can make such a massive impact.” (22:35) – The Role of Sound Design As the first half of our conversation closes, the topic turns to how David puts sound to use in his own marketing work, such as an ad campaign he created for Yonex. “It was a very dark and emotive and impactful round of spots that were mainly driven by sound design,” he recalls. “It was just the visuals of a racket spinning. But it really came to life when, you know, when those moments were accented by key sound effects.” Our discussion returns to his insights on mumblegate, and how often it comes down to a struggle between sound editors and producers. “I’ve worked with a number of rerecording mixers over the years that bury dialogue because they’re forced to do so, not because they want to. They’re like, ‘No, I want to bring clarity to this project and so people can follow the story and understand what’s going on.’ And then they’re, you know, shouted down by the folks at the top.” Episode Summary David talks about his career journey and personal experiences with sound.Why audio clarity seems to be less of a focus in today’s media.David shares the impact of sound design in his advertising campaigns. Tune in for next week’s episode as we talk about the human creativity premium that the AI rush is helping to create, how David’s balancing automation and his personal approach to building a campaign, and why he feels that sound is an untapped resource when it comes to branding. Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast: Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.com Connect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/ Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVO Connect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/ Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!) Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest! https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/ Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategy https://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/ Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/ This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

    31 min
  8. How Audio Branding Transforms Marketing: A Conversation with David Courtier-Dutton – Part 2

    Apr 22

    How Audio Branding Transforms Marketing: A Conversation with David Courtier-Dutton – Part 2

    “Live is always going to be great. Human connection is the only thing that will differentiate AI from people and from artists. And that is, I think, going to be the key lever that artists have left. So in the same way as you might go and buy a handmade coffee cup for $20 from an artisan stall when you can buy one for a dollar in Walmart, music will still hold great value.” – David Courtier-Dutton This episode is the second half of my conversation with the founder and CEO of SoundOut, David Courtier-Dutton, as we discuss the catch-22 financial companies can face when it comes to making a sonic impression, how some companies are reaching old and new customers alike by reviving the radio jingles of years past, and the role of audio branding in an increasingly AI-driven world. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (00:00) – Surprising Trends in Sonic Branding The second half of our conversation starts as David shares more of SoundOut’s discoveries about the effectiveness of branding, including why Visa and Mastercard’s sonic logos haven’t made the impact they’d hoped. “Listening to their sonic logo in isolation with no brand association,” David explains, “20% and 31% respectively said, yeah, we know the brand. But not one person out of those 400 across the two brands could actually write the brand name when asked what the brand was.” We talk about the old radio jingles and how some companies are finding success in reviving them for a new generation. “Both Maybelline and Pillsbury,” he tells us, “are sort of historic logos that were retired for a long time, and you just cannot underestimate the power of bringing back an old, beloved sonic logo… I wouldn’t say it’s an easy win, but it is, because those neural pathways are absolutely locked in.” (8:45) – The Role of AI in Music and Marketing David and I talk about the elephant in the room, AI and its impact on marketing, and the shift he’s seen over the past year. “Up until about six months ago,” he observes, “we were seeing very little of it. There are some obvious concerns around legalities … brands won’t want to use music created by AI in case it is actually breaching copyright. [But[ that will get sorted in the next six months or so, I think.” He shares his thoughts on how search processes are being increasingly handled by AI, and how audio can help brands stand out from the crowd. “The brand will go nowhere near the consumer,” he tells us. “So anything that you can do to make your brand more distinctive when you are advertising online and through music, anything to make a brand more prominent, can only help.” (20:30) – The Power of Authenticity in Branding As our discussion comes to a close, David elaborates on his observation that AI is increasingly talking to itself rather than users. “We’re basically talking agents talking to agents,” he explains, “so AI agents talking to AI agents… I would imagine within 12 months it’ll become quite a big thing. And within three years, it’ll be everywhere. Everywhere.” We talk about the role human creativity might still play in a marketplace driven by AI, and one advantage musicians still have over machine-generated content. “It can feign emotion,” he says, “but you’ll never move an AI with a song because it doesn’t do emotion, and it literally, it never will… Emotion and empathy are all that we have as humans to distinguish ourselves from machines. And so music will… music will survive forever.” Episode Summary The challenges and surprising innovations in building a distinctive audio brand.How AI audio content has already begun to reshape the digital landscape.David shares his insights on what the growth of AI means for human artists. Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast: Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.com Connect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/ Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVO Connect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/ Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!) Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest! https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/ Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategy https://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/ Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/ This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

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Keeping a consistent sound in how you present your company really is the "hidden gem" of marketing. But audio or sonic branding influences us in many different ways and in many different places within our lives. Education is key! I explore that here, both with my own observations and by interviewing knowledgeable professionals in the field of advertising, marketing, music, technology and science. Want to be a guest on Audio Branding? Do you contribute something unique to the world of sound? Send me a message on PodMatch, here: https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/jodikrangle and we'll talk. This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy