Journey to an ESOP & Beyond

Jason Miller & Makenzie Wirth
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ESOPs are gaining traction. In the "Journey to an ESOP & Beyond” podcast, Doeren Mayhew's Jason Miller and Makenzie Ragland explain the ESOP transaction process and address ESOPs from a business owner's perspective. They illuminate the simplicity of ESOPs and debunk common misconceptions that ESOPs are immensely costly and complicated. -- “Doeren Mayhew" is the brand name under which Doeren Mayhew Assurance, PC and Doeren Mayhew Advisors, LLC and its subsidiary entities provide professional services. Doeren Mayhew Assurance, PC and Doeren Mayhew Advisors, LLC (and its subsidiary entities) practice as an alternative practice structure in accordance with the AICPA Code of Professional Conduct and applicable law, regulations and professional standards. Doeren Mayhew Assurance, PC is a licensed independent CPA firm that provides attest services to its clients, and Doeren Mayhew Advisors, LLC and its subsidiary entities provide tax and business consulting services to their clients. Doeren Mayhew Advisors, LLC, DM Payroll Solutions, Doeren Mayhew Capital Advisors and their subsidiary entities are not licensed CPA firms. 

  1. Sep 3

    Foundations of Transition: Value Creation, Protection & Risk Awareness

    Your business might be profitable and still be worth less than you think. In this episode, Jason Miller and Makenzie Ragland continue their Foundations of Transition series with value creation, protection and risk awareness. They explore how business owners can begin viewing their company through the eyes of an outside buyer or ESOP trustee, focusing on what drives enterprise value, where value may be quietly leaking, and what risks could impact a future transaction. Other factors include adjusted EBITDA, management depth, customer concentration, working capital, financial reporting, key-person dependency and reputational risk. Ultimately, this episode encourages owners to identify and address potential risks before entering a transaction, while there is still time to strengthen the business, protect its value, and prepare for a successful ownership transition.

  2. Aug 28

    EP34 - A Year From Now: What Will Exist Because You Started Today?

    What can happen in one year when you stop waiting for the perfect moment and start taking action? In this episode, Jason Miller looks back at a year of personal and professional progress—not as a victory lap, but as evidence of what happens when you turn decisions into action and create tangible proof of progress. This episode is about more than Employee Stock Ownership Plans (ESOPs). It's about taking meaningful action when the outcome isn't guaranteed. A year from now, what will exist because you started today?

  3. Aug 20

    EP33 - Forecasting for an ESOP: Planning for a Future You Can’t Predict

    Determining if an Employee Stock Ownership Plan (ESOP) is right for your company starts with a straightforward but sometimes challenging question. Where do you see your business heading and why? In this episode, Jason Miller and Makenzie Ragland explore how ESOP planning and forecasting empower owners to prepare for a transaction and make informed decisions throughout the process. They break down the essential components of a solid forecast, including historical performance, business drivers, capacity, backlog, bonding capacity, working capital, labor, margins and other key assumptions. The discussion also covers how these projections impact valuation, transaction feasibility and the overall benefits of an ESOP. Ultimately, a strong forecast isn’t about getting every number right. It’s about giving owners a realistic view of where the business is going and helping them make informed decisions about what comes next. This episode provides practical insight into the advantages of an ESOP and the role of ESOP Advisory in preparing for a successful transition. For owners considering professional ESOP Advisory Services, this conversation offers a helpful foundation for understanding the planning and forecasting process.

  4. Aug 14

    EP32 - Interview with NCEO's Corey Rosen: The Future of Employee Ownership

    Washington is sending new signals about employee ownership, but the headlines don’t help much if you’re a business owner trying to decide whether an Employee Stock Ownership Plan (ESOP) is actually doable. In this episode, Jason Miller and Makenzie Ragland welcome back Corey Rosen from the National Center for Employee Ownership (NCEO) to discuss the latest developments shaping the future of employee ownership. Corey breaks down key legislative efforts, including the Retire Through Ownership Act, the American Ownership Resilience Act, and efforts to fund the WORK Act. He also explains how the regulatory environment surrounding ESOPs continues to evolve and addresses common perceptions surrounding ESOP litigation risk and transaction costs. Other topics include the impact employee ownership can have on recruitment, retention, workplace culture, and long-term business continuity. Corey shares recent NCEO research on employee retention, explains why ownership and a strong culture work best together, and offers practical guidance for owners beginning ESOP Planning. From educating yourself on the available options to learning from existing ESOP companies, this episode provides a timely look at the Benefits of an ESOP, the Advantages of an ESOP, and what employee ownership could mean for business owners considering their next chapter. For owners seeking ESOP Advisory or professional ESOP Advisory Services, this conversation offers valuable insight into the process.

  5. Aug 6

    EP31 - Foundations of Transition: Process Maturity & Operational Strength

    Your processes can be documented, and your operations can still be fragile. In this episode of the Foundations of Transition series, Jason Miller and Makenzie Ragland explore the eighth foundation: Process Maturity and Operational Strength. They discuss why strong operations involve more than documented procedures and how building a culture of continuous improvement can help owners prepare for an Employee Stock Ownership Plan (ESOP). By examining how work actually flows through a business rather than relying solely on organizational charts or written processes, owners can uncover hidden bottlenecks, operational risks, and opportunities to create a more resilient organization. The episode also explores how curiosity, undocumented workarounds, routine habits, and “hero” employees can create dependencies that limit growth and make a business more difficult to transfer. Jason and Makenzie provide practical questions owners can ask to better understand how work is accomplished and explain how operational strength supports ESOP Planning, business continuity, and a successful ownership transition. For owners considering the Benefits of an ESOP or the Advantages of an ESOP, this episode highlights how ESOP Advisory and professional ESOP Advisory Services can help prepare a company for its next chapter.

  6. Jul 29

    EP30 - S Corp vs. C Corp ESOPs: Which Structure is Right for You?

    The most common question we hear may seem simple, but it can significantly change the outcome of an ESOP transaction: Should you remain an S corporation or convert to a C corporation? In this episode, Jason Miller and Makenzie Wirth break down the key differences between the two structures and how each one affects the company and its selling shareholders. They also discuss the unique tax advantages, Benefits of an ESOP, and potential Advantages of an ESOP associated with each approach. From S corporation tax exemptions to Section 1042 capital gains deferral, this conversation highlights the factors that influence the decision, including ownership goals, liquidity needs, future growth plans, financing strategy, and long-term succession objectives. Whether you are just beginning ESOP Planning, exploring an Employee Stock Ownership Plan, or evaluating transaction structures, this episode provides a practical framework for understanding why there is no one-size-fits-all answer. The right structure depends on your specific goals and circumstances, and professional ESOP Advisory and ESOP Advisory Services can help owners evaluate the options.

  7. Jul 22

    EP29 - The ESOP Mandela Effect

    In this episode, Makenzie Wirth delves into the Mandela Effect and how our memories influence the stories we tell ourselves. Many business owners begin exploring an Employee Stock Ownership Plan (ESOP) with fragmented information gathered from other owners’ experiences—some accurate and some not. These stories can shape important decisions about ESOP Planning, the Benefits of an ESOP, and the perceived Advantages of an ESOP. Makenzie discusses common misconceptions surrounding ESOPs, clarifies which elements are unique to each transaction, and highlights insights revealed during the ESOP process that can change how owners understand employee ownership. For business owners seeking guidance, the episode also emphasizes the value of ESOP Advisory and professional ESOP Advisory Services when evaluating whether an ESOP is right for their company.

  8. Jul 10

    EP28 - Your Algorithm is a Mirror

    Your feed feels personal for a reason, and it’s not magic. Jason Miller and Makenzie Wirth explore the idea that the “algorithm” isn’t a villain with a secret agenda, but an objective system shaped by subjective inputs—with attention as the input it values most. They share real snapshots from their own algorithms and consider what those patterns might reveal about curiosity, problem-solving, preparation, anxiety, and the human need to reduce uncertainty. The conversation then connects these ideas to business owners, founders, and leaders considering exit planning, ESOP Planning, and an Employee Stock Ownership Plan (ESOP). For owners exploring the Benefits of an ESOP or the Advantages of an ESOP, the episode offers a thoughtful perspective on how attention shapes intention, habits, leadership, and decision-making. It also highlights how ESOP Advisory and professional ESOP Advisory Services can help owners approach major ownership-transition decisions with greater clarity. The takeaway: your algorithm is a dashboard, not a destiny.

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ESOPs are gaining traction. In the "Journey to an ESOP & Beyond” podcast, Doeren Mayhew's Jason Miller and Makenzie Ragland explain the ESOP transaction process and address ESOPs from a business owner's perspective. They illuminate the simplicity of ESOPs and debunk common misconceptions that ESOPs are immensely costly and complicated. -- “Doeren Mayhew" is the brand name under which Doeren Mayhew Assurance, PC and Doeren Mayhew Advisors, LLC and its subsidiary entities provide professional services. Doeren Mayhew Assurance, PC and Doeren Mayhew Advisors, LLC (and its subsidiary entities) practice as an alternative practice structure in accordance with the AICPA Code of Professional Conduct and applicable law, regulations and professional standards. Doeren Mayhew Assurance, PC is a licensed independent CPA firm that provides attest services to its clients, and Doeren Mayhew Advisors, LLC and its subsidiary entities provide tax and business consulting services to their clients. Doeren Mayhew Advisors, LLC, DM Payroll Solutions, Doeren Mayhew Capital Advisors and their subsidiary entities are not licensed CPA firms. 

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  • Creator
    Jason Miller & Makenzie Wirth
  • Years Active
    2020 - 2026
  • Episodes
    271
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © 2026 Doeren Mayhew
  • Show Website
    Journey to an ESOP & Beyond

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