Lead with Empower Podcast

Dan Jaskot

Great leadership looks, sounds, and feels different based on the leader and the situation. However, there are common threads that connect all tremendous leaders. Our goal is to connect with leaders who are in the trenches each day leading themselves and others; to learn about their unique leadership style, explore their leadership practices, and to provide our listeners with inspiration to lead.

  1. Jun 11

    2026 - E17 Lead with Empower Podcast

    The Empower Leadership Podcast episode #17 focuses on the Pipeline activity, a foundational team-building initiative used to teach leadership, collaboration, trust, and accountability. Activity Overview The primary objective of Pipeline is for a group to transport an object (typically a golf ball) from a starting line into a finishing bucket using sections of halved PVC tubes. ●       Group Size: Ideally suited for teams of 6 to 12 people. ●       Setup: The distance between the start and finish must be greater than the total length of the tubes combined, forcing participants to move and reconnect their sections. ●       Standard Rules: ●       Each participant receives one tube. ●       While the ball is in their tube, a participant can rotate their upper body but cannot move their feet. ●       The ball cannot stop, roll backward, or fall. ●       The ball may only touch the inside of the tubes or the bucket. ●       Any rule break requires the entire team to restart at the beginning. Common Mistakes and Facilitation Points The speakers highlight several common behavioral patterns that emerge during the activity, which serve as key teaching moments: ●       Speed vs. Control: Teams often rush, creating a "rocket launcher" effect that makes the ball impossible to catch. Facilitators use this to teach that control and visibility are often more important than raw speed. ●       The "Observer" Mentality: Participants often watch the ball roll past rather than immediately moving to the end of the line. This highlights a lack of trust and a failure to perform one's specific role. ●       Failure to Plan the Finish: Groups frequently plan for the transport but neglect the actual drop into the bucket, often overshooting it due to excitement or crowding. ●       Credit vs. Team Success: Sometimes an individual will try to "steal the glory" by inserting their tube at the last second, often causing a failure. This leads to discussions on whether the individual's accolades or the team's success is the priority. Modifications and Variations The activity is highly flexible and can be adjusted for different difficulty levels: ●       Terrain: Adding slopes or slalom courses with cones increases the challenge. ●       Objects: Using balls with more friction (whiffle balls) makes it easier, while smaller or faster objects (marbles, super balls) make it harder. ●       Pipeline Pandemonium: A competitive version using multiple objects and targets with varying point values. ●       DIY Options: For those without PVC, the activity can be replicated using pool noodles cut in half or even manila folders. Episode Timeline: ●       Introduction to Pipeline: The speakers introduce "Pipeline" as a staple team-building activity they have referenced many times in previous episodes. (00:01)1 ●       Activity Setup: The goal is to transport an object, usually a golf ball, from a start line to a finish bucket using sections of PVC pipe cut in half. (03:45)2 ●       Core Rules: Participants cannot move their feet while holding the ball, and the ball must never stop, roll backward, or touch anything except the tube. (05:24)3 ●       The "Speed" Trap: A common initial mistake is groups trying to go too fast, which often leads to losing control of the ball. (06:51)4 ●       Trust and Observation: A lack of trust is shown when players watch the ball instead of moving immediately to the end of the line to extend the pipeline. (09:18)5 ●       Operational Breakdowns: Failures at the end of the line are often a result of how the ball was  handled earlier in the pipeline, rather than just the last person's fault. (14:56)6 ●       Planning the Finish: Groups frequently fail because they plan for the start and transport but do not coordinate how to actually drop the ball into the bucket. (18:08)7 ●       Distance and Terrain Mods: The difficulty can be adjusted by changing the distance (from 30 feet to 200 yards) or using sloped terrain. (26:47)8 ●       Equipment Variations: Using different objects like marbles (faster/harder) or tennis balls (slower/easier) can scale the challenge. (31:22)9 ●       Pipeline Pandemonium: A competitive version involves multiple targets and objects with different point values to introduce strategy. (33:18)10 ●       DIY Pipeline: The activity can be replicated cheaply using pool noodles cut into sections or even manila folders in an office setting. (36:47)11 ●       Conclusion: The speakers emphasize that the game's value lies in teaching individual accountability, focus, and setting teammates up for success. (41:24) Find out more at https://lead-with-empower-podcast.pinecast.co This podcast is powered by Pinecast.

    44 min
  2. Jun 11

    2026 E16 Lead with Empower Podcast

    The 16th episode of the Lead with Empower podcast, recorded just before Memorial Day weekend, features hosts Dan and Zack discussing the nuances of designing team-building experiences. Determining Difficulty Levels Finding the "sweet spot" for a group's challenge level is described as an art that requires significant inquiry during the sales and design process. Key factors used to gauge the appropriate level of difficulty include: ●       Group Size: Larger groups often face more internal conflict due to "too many cooks in the kitchen". To manage this, facilitators may break a large group of 50 into smaller lanes of eight or nine people to ensure everyone remains engaged. ●       Physical Exertion: Programs are tailored to the group's daily activity levels; for example, a high school sports team would receive a more physically demanding program than a corporate group that is typically sedentary. ●       Age and Wiring: Adults tend to overthink and strategize extensively before acting, whereas younger participants often dive into problems immediately without a set strategy. ●       Desired Outcomes: Facilitators ask whether a client wants pure fun (an outing), professional skill development, or a mix of both to determine the program's structure. Stages of Group Development The hosts reference Bruce Tuckman’s research on group dynamics to explain how they adjust activities based on a team's current stage: ●       Forming: New groups with social barriers are given low-complexity icebreakers (e.g., favorite hobbies) rather than deep personal sharing. ●       Storming: Teams experiencing power struggles or conflict are given collaborative tasks without competition to avoid creating further division. ●       Norming: As people settle into roles, activities with clearly defined, different roles are used to highlight how individual strengths contribute to team success. ●       Performing: Groups that are "firing on all cylinders" are given more challenging levels to prevent complacency. Facilitation Tactics ●       Frontloading: To maintain trust, facilitators inform groups at the start if there are multiple tiers of difficulty or if an activity might be modified to build momentum after a struggle. ●       Managing Mistakes: Facilitators use "nickel and dime" rule enforcement as a tool for difficult or uncooperative groups. Conversely, for groups showing high effort and positive growth, facilitators may overlook "hustle mistakes" near the end of a program to ensure the experience concludes with a sense of accomplishment. ●       Core Objectives: Every program aims to achieve three things: Engagement, Challenge, and Accomplishment. Episode Timeline: ●       Never Quit Mentality (03:01): The speakers emphasize giving 100% effort until the "clock hits zero," using the New York Knicks' historic 22-point comeback as a prime example. ●       The Difficulty "Sweet Spot" (06:51): Facilitators must find the right challenge level; too hard leads to participants giving up, while too easy results in "dead air" and disengagement. ●       Inquiry-Based Sales (08:22): A program's success starts during the sales process by asking if a client wants pure fun, a mix of learning, or intensive skill development. ●       Large Group Friction (13:10): Groups of 30 often take twice as long as groups of five because "too many cooks in the kitchen" can cause members to work against each other. ●       Adult vs. Youth Problem Solving (16:01): Adults frequently overthink and delay action to find a "perfect" answer, whereas youth often dive into tasks without any plan or strategy. ●       Tuckman's Stages of Development (20:56): Facilitators use the four stages—forming, storming, norming, and performing—to assess group dynamics and choose appropriate activities. ●       Avoiding Storming Competition (25:13): For groups in the "storming" phase of conflict, facilitators avoid competitive tasks that could "feed the fire" of existing internal power struggles. ●       The Power of "Frontloading" (28:17): To maintain trust, leaders should inform groups ahead of time if an activity has multiple tiers or harder levels rather than using a "sneak attack" challenge. ●       Strategic Rule Enforcement (32:16): Facilitators may overlook minor "hustle mistakes" for engaged teams but strictly enforce rules (a "nickel and dime" approach) for difficult or argumentative groups. ●       The Ultimate Goal (35:16): Team building's purpose is for participants to leave feeling positive and confident, ready to apply lessons to their real-world environments. ●       Selecting a Partner (39:00): Organizations should choose partners who ask deep questions about group outcomes and physical exertion levels rather than offering a "cookie-cutter" approach. Find out more at https://lead-with-empower-podcast.pinecast.co This podcast is powered by Pinecast.

    41 min
  3. May 7

    2026 E15 Lead with Empower Podcast

    This episode of the Lead with Empower podcast discusses the common frustration of individuals feeling that their ideas are not being heard within a group. The speakers explore how both leaders and individual participants can improve communication dynamics to ensure every voice has an opportunity to be shared. Strategies for Leaders and Facilitators Leaders can proactively create environments that encourage diverse participation and mutual respect: ● Establish Clear Communication Standards: Consistently enforce expectations, such as allowing only one person to speak at a time and encouraging others to be active listeners ● Utilize Structured Tools: Implement physical objects, like a “talking tool,” where only the person holding the object is permitted to speak ● Active Facilitation: Explicitly call on different group members to share their ideas to ensure quieter individuals are not overlooked ● Encourage Stepping Out of Comfort Zones: Challenge naturally vocal members to step back and listen, while encouraging quieter members to speak with confidence ● Promote the “80/20 Rule”: Remind participants that since they have four senses for intake (two eyes and two ears) and only one for output (the mouth), they should aim to listen and observe 80% of the time and speak only 20% of the time Strategies for Individual Participants Individuals who feel unheard can use self-reflection to improve how they present their ideas: ● Evaluate Tone and Delivery: Avoid aggressive, sarcastic, or demanding tones, as these often cause others to “mute” or ignore the speakers ● Communicate with Confidence and Reason: State ideas clearly and always follow up with a “why” to provide context and rationale for the suggestion ● Practice Reciprocity: Reflect on how you treat others’ ideas; if you dismiss or “steamroll” teammates, they are likely to reciprocate that behavior when you try to speak ● Respond Gracefully to Rejection: Avoid reacting negatively or becoming “dead weight” if the group chooses a different strategy, as a poor reaction can discourage the group from listening to you in the future Find out more at https://lead-with-empower-podcast.pinecast.co This podcast is powered by Pinecast.

    26 min
  4. May 7

    2026 E14 Lead with Empower Podcast

    This episode of the Lead with Empower Podcast features a discussion on how leaders and team members can effectively handle mistakes within a group dynamic. The speakers emphasize that while mistakes are inevitable, particularly in challenging activities designed for growth, the reaction to these mistakes dictates whether a team improves or faces further conflict. The discussion outlines three primary ways to respond when a team member makes a mistake: ● Ignore the mistake: Choosing to do nothing might work if the individual takes personal ownership to fix the error. However, frequently ignoring mistakes often leads to growing frustration, potentially culminating in a "crash out" or emotional meltdown. ● "Blast" the person: This "old school" approach involves publicly berating or yelling at the person who made the mistake. While some may respond to "tough love," most individuals will shut down or begin making mistakes out of spite because they feel small and mistreated. ● "Coach up" the individual: This proactive method involves pausing to breathe and discussing the root of the problem without making the person feel "voted off the island". Leaders should use inquiry to understand the struggle and ask what support the team can provide. Key takeaways from the speakers include: ● Know your people: Understanding an individual's personality is critical to providing the right layer of feedback, as some may handle tough love while others require reassurance. ● Front-end work pays off: While "coaching up" takes more effort initially than a visceral emotional reaction, it leads to more efficient processes and fewer long-term mistakes. ● Leadership through listening: An example was shared of a mature group of fourth graders who successfully navigated mistakes because they ensured everyone had a voice and was listened to. ● Solution-oriented approach: Strong leaders do not let emotions hinder productivity; they focus on building people up and finding solutions. Find out more at https://lead-with-empower-podcast.pinecast.co This podcast is powered by Pinecast.

    25 min
  5. Apr 16

    2026 E13 Lead with Empower Podcast

    Episode 13 of the "Lead with Empower" podcast, features Zachary Morello and Dan Jaskot from Empower Leadership discussing some common reasons why participants may not engage in team building experiences and a series of tips and pointers for reengaging them! Reasons for Participant Withdrawal ● Preconceived Notions: Participants often enter an experience with negative feedback assumptions based on poor past experience with team building or professional development ● Lack of Relevance: Participants may not see a “one-to-one” correlation between activities, such as a “pipeline” game, and their real-world goals, like improving athletic performance or office productivity ● Activity Mismatch: If an activity is too physically demanding for a non-active group, or if the difficulty level is too high or too low for their skill set, they are more likely to check out ● Negative Group Dynamics: When a group is allowed to berate or blame individuals for failures, those being targeted will naturally withdraw. Warning Signs of Withdrawal ● Group Fragmentation: A larger group may begin “chunking off” into smaller “clicks” or isolated individuals ● Steamrolling: High-energy or “alpha” leaders may dominate the conversation, causing more quiet members with good ideas to feel unheard and stop contributing ● Physical Cues: Facilitators look for overt body language like round shoulders, increased physical distance from the group, and a “shorter fuse” ● Frustration Boiling Over: In extreme cases, participants may storm off or throw equipment Proactive Leadership Strategies ● Establish Social Connection: Leaders must ensure participants feel valued as individuals before attempting to lead them ● Communicate the “Why”: It is critical to explain that the process of the activity-communication, problem-solving, and building trust is what relates to their actual work ● Present the Energy: Leaders must be energized (“juice”), prepared, and efficient to maintain group attention ● Appropriate Challenge: The difficulty of a task should be set at or slightly above the group’s current skill level to keep them engaged without overwhelming them Reactive Management Techniques ● One-on-One Conversations: When withdrawal occurs, a leader should try to have a private conversation to help the participant connect their reaction to real-world scenarios ● Provide Space: Sometimes the best response is to give a frustrated person room to breathe rather than immediately following them ● Validate Emotions: Leaders should avoid telling participants “don’t get frustrated,” as it dismisses their feelings; instead, they should help them find a “refocus tool” to re-engage productivity ● Role Re-engagement: If a participant does not want to do the activity, they can be re-engaged, in a different role, such as helping the leader “officiate” or observe the group Find out more at https://lead-with-empower-podcast.pinecast.co This podcast is powered by Pinecast.

    27 min
  6. Apr 16

    2026 E12 Lead with Empower Podcast

    This episode of the Lead with Empower podcast explores strategies for maintaining the attention of a group after it has been captured. The speakers emphasize that while gaining attention is the first hurdle, keeping that attention is a distinct skill that directly impacts engagement and progress toward goals. Key themes and strategies discussed include: ● Facilitator Energy: A leader’s energy, enthusiasm, and focus service as a standard for the group. If a facilitator appears disengaged or tried, the group will likely mirror that behavior. ● Managing “Dead Air”: While silence can be a useful tool during group debriefs to encourage reflection, it is generally a significant pitfall during initial instructions or group management. Prolonged dead space can lead to disengagement, and facilitators should strive for a seamless flow. ● Knowing the Audience and Staying on Track: Effective leaders must understand what their specific audience can handle. While some groups might tolerate a joke or a deviation from the plan, others require a direct, concise approach to remain focused on the rules and objectives. ● Minimizing Distractions: ○ Physical Objects: Objects in participants’ hands act as distractions. Removing these items before instructions can help maintain focus. ○ Environmental Positioning: Leaders should strategically position themselves and their groups to avoid distractions, such as other activities occurring nearby. ○ Instructional Location: It is often better to move a group away from equipment to explain an activity, rather than briefing them at the site where distractions are present. ● Consistency and Preparedness: A consistent, repeatable process for organizing groups and delivering instructions is vital. Facilitators should prepare and potentially script their transitions to avoid unnecessary complexity. ● Learning Through Play: Because the goal is often learning through play, leaders should aim to provide essential instructions and safety guidelines, then allow the group to begin the activity. Allowing the group to experience initial struggle or success can make them a more attentive audience for subsequent check-ins or debriefs. The speakers conclude that while gaining attention requires significant effort, maintaining it is an ongoing process of preparation, consistency, and awareness of the group's needs. Over time, consistently enforcing these standards helps build a more attentive and engaged group. Find out more at https://lead-with-empower-podcast.pinecast.co This podcast is powered by Pinecast.

    46 min
  7. Mar 9

    2026 E11 Lead with Empower Podcast

    Episode 11 of the "Lead with Empower" podcast, features Zachary Morello and Dan Jaskot from Empower Leadership discussing the challenge of efficiently and effectively splitting large groups into smaller working groups. This is a common challenge for teachers, corporate leaders, and others who run programs or activities. The speakers emphasize that the reason for splitting groups, especially with youth, is to help students get out of their social comfort zones, strengthen the community, and build skills necessary for the future when they will inevitably have to work with new people. This practice helps them to be more comfortable being uncomfortable, a skill needed for future transitions like college or the workforce. The methodology for splitting groups should also be situational; for activities involving sensitive discussion topics, it might be better to keep friends together with people they trust. However, in most other programs, especially with students who are already with their peer groups in school, the goal is often to separate the groups to encourage new skill development. Here are some tactics discussed for splitting groups: ● Verbal Numbering (One, Two, One, Two): The "old school" method of numbering off is deemed inefficient and often leads to confusion and restarts. ● Bring Them Together to Split Them Up: This tactic involves asking a group to pair up (or form small groups), allowing them to naturally choose their friends first, and then using a quick method to separate the groups. ● Elbow Connection: Partners stand with connected elbows, and a leader separates them by asking those with a free right hand to go one way, and those with a free left hand to go another. This process can be very fast. ● Closest/Furthest Birthday: Partners separate based on whose birthday is closest or furthest from the current date. ● Other Partner/Group Separation Methods: Other ways to split pairs or groups include using alphabetical order (first or last name), height, or the number of siblings. ● "Breakfast, Lunch, Dinner, Dessert" Grouping: To split a group into four, people are asked to form groups of four (again, often by default with friends) and then designate one person as the breakfast, lunch, dinner, and dessert person (based on personal eating habits); each category then forms a new, separate team. This adds a fun element and humanizes the leader. ● "Silent Lineup" by Birthday: The entire group is instructed to silently line up in order of their birthday, from January 1st to December 31st, communicating only nonverbally. The line can then be split in half to form two teams. This tactic keeps the group on their toes and allows the leader to gather "intel" on potential group dynamics or leaders. ● Dynamic Duo Name/Unique Handshake: For staff or corporate groups, pairs are asked to come up with a "dynamic duo" name or a unique handshake before being split into teams. ● Flipping the Script: Once the group expects to be split up after forming small groups, a leader can surprise them by announcing that they will work with their self-selected group (bring them together to keep them together). This prevents participants from deliberately partnering with people they dislike just to get separated. ● For older groups (college, professional, and sports), it is important for the leader to know their people and intentionally create teams with a mix of strengths, such as combining analytical, thoughtful individuals with those who are quick to take action. Giving adults a first activity with their self-selected or department-based teams can highlight inefficiencies, which the subsequent mixed groups can then correct. Find out more at https://lead-with-empower-podcast.pinecast.co This podcast is powered by Pinecast.

    30 min
  8. Mar 9

    2026 E10 Lead with Empower Podcast

    The Lead with Empower Podcast is back! Join Empower Leadership's Assistant General Manager, Zack Morello, and President, Dan Jaskot, for a variety of topics all focused on empowering and inspiring 1 Million Individuals to become positive leaders in their communities. This "experiential essentials" podcast is created by team building practitioners for individuals and teams hoping to strengthen their culture, empower individuals to become leaders, and foster a greater sense of collaboration between team members. Episode 10 of the "Lead with Empower" podcast, features the hosts, Zachary and Dan from Empower Leadership, discussing the common challenge of gaining and maintaining attention from a group, titled, "Why won't they listen to me?". The speaker's note that this is a problem regardless of a leader's experience level, applying to professions such as teaching, coaching, and corporate leadership. Wasting time trying to get a group's attention can impact efficiency, especially in situations with limited time, such as at an event or during a sports practice. They explore different methodologies for gaining attention: ● Authoritative Demand: Historically, an old-school approach involved being louder and demanding respect simply by being the adult in front of the group, sometimes involving threats like a consequence if participants talked. However, this methodology may be becoming less effective. ● Simple, Spreading Action: An example is shared of a facilitator, Dr. Teddy France, who started snapping his fingers, leading others to follow, and eventually gaining the attention of a large group without saying a single word. This highlights the method of starting something simple and allowing it to flow into others. ● Focusing on the Positive: Instead of drawing attention to those not participating, the method involves focusing on and celebrating the few who are doing the right thing, which encourages others to follow. This is based on the idea that people want positive reinforcement. ● Involving the Outlier in the Solution: When dealing with individuals who are distracting the group, instead of punishing them (like yelling, getting mad, or removing them), the approach is to positively separate them by asking them to help. This involves them in the solution and leverages their strength of being comfortable being noticed. ● Building Rapport: Establishing rapport through small talk and getting to know individuals before starting can help you gain respect and attention from the group when you do begin. ● Clear Standards and Consistency: Regardless of the tool or tactic used, it needs to be clearly stated and shown, setting expectations for the group. Being consistent with the standard—such as waiting for compliance—is particularly important with youth. The most common tactic the speakers use is verbal-call-and-response: "If you can hear my voice, clap your hands one time". They set the standard that they aim for two claps or less, linking efficiency to having more time for "fun stuff". Other attention-getting tactics include: ● Nonverbal symbols, like a hand raise. ● Verbal call-and-response, such as one organization's staff saying, "Hey, Slade," and the students responding, "Hey, what?". ● In the corporate world, methods include assigning tasks during a meeting to keep everyone engaged and ensuring the content is concise and pertains directly to the group. Find out more at https://lead-with-empower-podcast.pinecast.co This podcast is powered by Pinecast.

    28 min

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Great leadership looks, sounds, and feels different based on the leader and the situation. However, there are common threads that connect all tremendous leaders. Our goal is to connect with leaders who are in the trenches each day leading themselves and others; to learn about their unique leadership style, explore their leadership practices, and to provide our listeners with inspiration to lead.