Why is a focus on racism so often missing from prison research, even when the evidence shows time and again its power to shape experience and outcomes? In this episode, Dr Omar Phoenix Khan speaks with Dr Jason Warr, Associate Professor in Criminology at the University of Nottingham about his paper ‘Whitening Black Men’, winnerof the BJC's 2023 Article of the Year, which sets out how the entire architecture of "rehabilitation" in English prisons is built around an unstated norm of whiteness. This means that Black men are read as deviations from that norm by default, regardless of what they actually do. He traces this back through Gilroy's myths of Black criminality and through everyday moments: being told to "be less urban," being labelled gang-affiliated for associating with peoplefrom your own school. In his working paper for the Centre for Crime and Justice Studies, written for the 25th anniversary of the death of Zahid Mubarek, Jason sets out five reasons racialisationremains marginal in British prisons research: epistemic ignorance, fear, marginality, conceptual problems, and whiteness itself. This episode will interest anyone working in or thinking about racism in criminal justice, narrative criminology, the sociology of whiteness, prison ethnography, or research impact beyond the REF. Read Jason's work: Warr, J. (2026). Where is "race" in prison studies? Centrefor Crime and Justice Studies, Working Paper No. 9. Warr, J. (2023). WhiteningBlack Men: Narrative Labour and the Scriptural Economics of Risk and Rehabilitation. British Journal of Criminology, 63(5),1091–1107. Warr, J. (2020). 'Always Got to Be Two Mans': Lifers, Risk, Rehabilitation, and Narrative Labour. Punishment & Society, 22(1), 28–47. Further reading: Franko, K., & Lomell, H. M.(2025). Private economies of knowledge in criminal justice: Introduction to the Special Issue. Theoretical Criminology, 29(3), 257-267 Lammy, D. (2017). TheLammy Review: An independent review into the treatment of, and outcomes for, Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic individuals in the Criminal Justice System. Phillips, C., Earle, R., Parmar, A. & Smith, D. (2020). Dear Britishcriminology: Where has all the race and racism gone? Theoretical Criminology, 24(3), 427–446 Zedner, L. (2025). Governing by think tank? From experts to political ideologues in UK criminal justice and security. Theoretical Criminology, 29(3), 268-287. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/13624806251339617 Keywords: race, racialisation, whiteness, criminology, prison studies, rehabilitation, joint enterprise, epistemic ignorance, coloniality, prison ethnography, lived experience research, REF, impact. Podcast researched & hosted by Dr Omar Phoenix Khan, University of Bath. Theme music by SHEZ.