I was watching the world news of all these statues coming down and all this national attention to these iconic figures of history and what they represent and the energy and power that it generated through Black Lives Matter. 我当时正在看全球新闻，看到所有这些雕像被推倒，看到全国都在关注这些具有标志性意义的历史人物以及他们所代表的意义，还有“黑人的命也是命”运动所引发的那种能量和影响力。 People who are angry, people who are vandalizing and getting out all this anger and frustration of all these generations of all colors. 愤怒的人们，破坏公物的人们，正在发泄不同肤色人群几代人积累的愤怒和失望。 I called my tribal group. I sent them emails, "Look, something needs to happen here." 我联系了我的部族亲人，给他们发电子邮件：“我们这里得采取些行动了。” Father Serra was the man who came in, in the 1700s, to start establishing those missions all along Alta California. Here we were the workforce. 塞拉神父是在18世纪来到这里的人，他开始在整个上加利福尼亚地区建立那些传教站。而我们当时就是劳动力。 We were the ones that, my family, my direct family, my great grandfather was part of that mission system, that mission period. 我的家人，我的直系亲属，我的曾祖父曾参与过那个传教体系。 They were told, "You're going build this for us and you're going to change your way of life." 他们被告知：“你们要为我们建设这座城市，你们要改变自己的生活方式。” And the punishment for disobeying was physical punishment. As time went on and more people kept coming in, the diseases came in. 不遵守命令的后果就是体罚。随着时间的推移，越来越多的人不断涌入，疾病也随之而来。 That was a very detrimental time for us. It changed us completely and, in fact, left us to the point of near extinction. 那对我们来说是至暗时刻。疾病彻底改变了我们，让我们几乎死伤殆尽。 People are arguing that he isn't responsible for the cruelties and punishments and rape and genocide. 人们认为，这些残酷、惩罚、奸污和种族灭绝并不是塞拉神父的责任。 But he was knowledgeable and as an iconic figure of that time period, he represents all of that. 但他知识渊博，是那个时期的标志性人物，他代表了这座城市里发生的一切。 So, everything you see here as you look around, know that it was all Chumash land at one time and occupied for thousands and thousands of years with each village being separated from one another. 你环顾四周所看到的一切，都曾经是丘马什人的土地，这里被他们占领了数千年，每个村落都被相互隔开。 We want the city of Ventura to remove the statue. This statue representing the city, it really shouldn't. 我们希望文图拉市拆除这座雕像。这座雕像代表了这座城市，但这座城市不应该被它代表。 It should represent Catholicism and love of Jesus Christ in God in a proper setting. 这座雕像在合适的情境中体现天主教教义和对基督上帝的爱。 The aftermath of after he died and after sacralization, people were not set free. 在塞拉神父去世以及被神化之后，人们并没有获得自由。 They were in a sense, but they were still subservient to the next generation of people coming in, the pioneers. 从某种意义上说，他们确实得到解放了，但他们仍然屈从于即将到来的下一代人，也就是那些开拓者。 And then, you know, even today, we're still looked at and we face that prejudice and racism all my life. 即便是在今天，我们仍然被另眼相看，我们一生中都会面对种族歧视和偏见。 That, well, unless I look like you, otherwise I'm called the N-word, growing up. Good to see you, Father Tom. 除非我也长得像白人，否则别人就会用“黑鬼”这个词来叫我。很高兴见到你，汤姆神父。 I came to you first because this is the symbol of your devotion and the community, of the Catholic community that's here. It belongs to all of you. 我首先来找你们，是因为这座雕像是你信仰的象征，也是我们这里天主教社区的象征。它属于你们所有人。 One thing that our church and society has failed to do is to give properrecognitionand reconciliation. 我们的教会和社会未能做到的一件事就是给予适当的认可和理解。 But it's your land and your ancestors built that mission. And you informed me of a call for a protest to take the statue down. 但这是你的土地，是你的祖先建造了那座教堂。你告诉我有人呼吁举行抗议活动把雕像拆除。 And from that, we came up with a joint statement to say that we feel that it's probably time to relocate the statue. 我们发表了一份联合声明，表示我们认为可能是时候迁移那座雕像了。 But we want to do it with due process, with non-violence, something that can be replicated in other communities for respect and actually become a model because we could see what was happening in the nation. 但是我们想走正当的程序，拒绝暴力，做一些能在其他社区得到效仿、赢得尊重的事情，并且真正成为一个典范，因为我们知道美国正在发生一些很不好的事情。 Some people thought it was a great thing we signed that document. Other people thought it was the worst thing we should have done. So, we can't please all the people. 有些人认为我们签署那份文件是件了不起的事，也有些人觉得我们大错特错。我们不可能让所有人都满意。 The way that we want to see it, it would be the first time that City and Church and Indigenous Peoples have come together in this place. 我们希望看到的是，这将是城市、教会和原住民首次在此地齐聚一堂。 But ultimately it is the City of Ventura's Council that will ultimately make the decision to remove the statue. 但最终，将由文图拉市议会来做出移除这座雕像的决定。
