In this episode of Reading Under the Covers, a romance novel podcast, we go back into our Ripped and Ravished Book Club discussion of The Flame and the Flower by Kathleen E. Woodiwiss. Today we dive into Chapter 5 & 6 of the book. If you missed the previous chapter discussions, go back and listen to those first. Catch up here (and watch the video of this episode): https://www.underthecoversbookblog.com/the-flame-and-the-flower-review/ What we coverWhy Chapters 5-6 feel long (pacing + details)"Grooming as intimacy": clothes, baths, and what comfort means in this eraThe no-touching choice: space without sex (and why that helps the story)Heather's naiveté and why it's grating and revealingThe boat sequence: rules, danger, and shifting responsibility onto womenFever/hallucinations as the first real window into Heather's trauma"Was the bathtub kindness… or manipulation?" (modern baggage vs author intent)The "pants for women" scene: accidentally hilarious historical innovationThe slow burn problem: we're halfway in...where’s the emotional interiority?Louise's dockside meltdown: melodrama returns and we're kind of gratefulSpeculation corner: is the brother getting a spinoff romance in our heads? Content warningsThis episode includes discussion of: rape/non-consent, coercion, pregnancy, illness/fever, controlling dynamics, misogyny, and historical sexual double standards. Please take care of yourself. Timestamps00:15 Welcome + What We're Covering (Ch. 5-6) & Book Club Context 01:46 These Chapters Feel Long: Pacing, Details, and the Slow Transition 03:33 Dresses, Naivete, and Losing Sight of Heather's Character 07:43 No Touching Allowed: Withholding Intimacy & Marriage Expectations 09:51 Historical Accuracy vs Modern Palatability (and Bridgerton Comparisons) 11:57 The Grooming Episode: Baths as Comfort, Symbol, and Suspicion 14:21 Reading With Today's Lens: Triggers, Rereads, and 1972 vs Now 17:40 On the Boat: Rules, "Milk" Moment, and Heather's Naivete Peaks 21:51 Missing Inner Monologue: Emotional Distance & Birmingham's (Non)Remorse 25:26 Brother Appears: Twin Vibes, Louise, and a Possible Book-Two Setup 28:27 Back to the Boat: Seasickness Bonding & Heather's Buried Trauma 31:46 Custom-Made Long Johns: The Comedy of 'Pants for a Lady' 33:32 Was the Fever a Plot Shortcut? Skipping the Real Relationship Work 35:00 Slow Burn Whiplash & 'Probing the Depths of Her Womanhood' 39:03 Missing Inner Monologue: What Was Heather Thinking at the Dock? 41:50 Louisa Arrives: Campy Soap-Opera Drama Turns Up to 11 42:44 Side-Plot Brainstorming: The Brother Romance & Bucket-of-Goo Comeuppance 51:50 Poison Tea Panic & Pregnancy Anxiety in 1799 53:17 Final Verdict on Chapters 5-6 + What's Next (Ch. 7-8) Listener...