Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

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The Fathoms podcast is about serious work for unserious humans. We dive deep into the topics that make us human. Whether it's the Enneagram or just learning to ask better questions. There's never a shortage of gravity or levity, so hit play, let's get to it! This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy

  1. Aug 27

    54 Years with the Jesuit Enneagram | Dr. Jerome P Wagner PHD and Patrick O'Leary

    A bonus episode, recorded at the International Enneagram Association conference in Minneapolis. Creek, Abram, Lindsey, and Lee sat down with Dr. Jerome Wagner and Patrick O'Leary — two Jesuits who first met the Enneagram in a Chicago graduate seminar in the early 1970s, taught by a famously dull theology professor named Bob Ochs who had gone away for a year with Claudio Naranjo and come back in bell bottoms and a flowered shirt. Fifty-four years later, they're still asking the question that runs underneath this entire conversation: is this something, or is this nothing? They walk us through what the Enneagram actually was before it was everywhere — an oral tradition shared among fifteen people in a room — and what changed when they decided to write it down. That decision cost them $75,000 in legal fees when Oscar Ichazo's Eureka Institute sued them, a case that ended in summary judgment on the grounds that this material was never anyone's to own. We also get their attempt to sort the essentials from everything added since: the Sufis gave us the circle, Gurdjieff added the numbers, Ichazo added the centers and the instincts. Everything after that, they'd argue, is sub-theory worth testing rather than inheriting. It's a rare chance to hear this history from the people who were actually in the room — and it ties directly into everything we explored in Season 5. Resources mentioned The Enneagram Spectrum: An Introduction — Jerome P. WagnerNine Lenses on the World: The Enneagram Perspective — Jerome P. WagnerThe Enneagram: A Christian Perspective — Richard Rohr and Andreas EbertGurdjieff: Making a New World — J.G. BennettInternational Enneagram Association This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy

  2. 07/17/2025

    The Grand Finale: Reflections on Season Five of Fathoms

    The culmination of our fifth season encapsulates a profound exploration of growth through the lens of the Enneagram, revealing that true development demands a nuanced understanding of oneself and others. Throughout this season, we endeavored to showcase the diverse schools of thought within the Enneagram community, emphasizing the importance of critical thinking and the ability to hold complexity in our perspectives. The incomparable, Lee Fields joins us halfway through to give us her take on the season and illuminate the necessity for individuals to engage deeply with their own narratives while remaining open to the insights of others, thereby fostering an environment conducive to genuine growth. Together, we reflect on the journey we undertook, acknowledging the challenges faced and the insights gained, as we sought to create a lasting resource for our audience. As we transition into future endeavors, we remain committed to advancing the conversation surrounding the Enneagram, encouraging listeners to embrace both the rigidity and fluidity inherent in their personal growth journeys. Big thanks to LEE FIELDS for joining us in this last episode. We love you Lee! Awareness to ActionEnneagram on Demand - Certification Program Mario Sikora:  IG: @mariosikora TikTok: @mariosikora Web: mariosikora.com Substack: mariosikora.substack.com Maria Jose Munita:  IG: @mjmunita Web: mjmunita.com Podcasts: Awareness to Action Enneagram in a Movie The Narrative TraditionTerry Saracino: Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/ Christopher Copeland: Web: illuminatingpaths.com Narrative Podcasts: Heart of the Enneagram The Somatic Enneagram From Armor to Ease The Enneagram InstituteGayle Scott: Email - gayle@enneagrammysteryschool.com Michael Naylor: Web - enneagrammaine.com You Tube - Enneagram Maine Interviews — Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans — Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagramFollow Abram: @integratedenneagramFollow Creek: @_creekmoreFollow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy

  3. 07/03/2025

    Growth & Farewell: The Map, The Work, and the Way Forward (Part 2)

    In Part 2, we unpack our thoughts on what the Enneagram teachers shared in our last episode. You'll hear us compare and contrast the models, and share what resonated with us, as well as what we'd like to see evolve, and we explore how we plan to synthesize all we've learned and carry it forward. We are so very grateful to our six teachers for their gift of time and knowledge, and their incredible generosity. Mental Health Toolkit: Tools to Bolster Your Mood & Mental Health Awareness to ActionEnneagram on Demand - Certification Program Mario Sikora:  IG: @mariosikora TikTok: @mariosikora Web: mariosikora.com Substack: mariosikora.substack.com Maria Jose Munita:  IG: @mjmunita Web: mjmunita.com Podcasts: Awareness to Action Enneagram in a Movie The Narrative TraditionTerry Saracino: Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/ Christopher Copeland: Web: illuminatingpaths.com Narrative Podcasts: Heart of the Enneagram The Somatic Enneagram From Armor to Ease The Enneagram InstituteGayle Scott: Email - gayle@enneagrammysteryschool.com Michael Naylor: Web - enneagrammaine.com You Tube - Enneagram Maine Interviews — Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans — Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagramFollow Abram: @integratedenneagramFollow Creek: @_creekmoreFollow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy

  4. 07/03/2025

    Growth & Farewell: The Map, The Work, and the Way Forward (Part 1)

    As we begin wrapping up season 5, we're answering the question, "What now?" We've looked at all seven types through the lens of three influential models, but how do we actually apply it? As we say our goodbyes, we ask our six teachers how their models contribute to growth and transformation, as well as their hopes for the future evolution of the Enneagram. Awareness to Action Enneagram on Demand - Certification Program Mario Sikora:  IG: @mariosikora TikTok: @mariosikora Web: mariosikora.com Substack: mariosikora.substack.com Maria Jose Munita:  IG: @mjmunita Web: mjmunita.com Podcasts: Awareness to Action Enneagram in a Movie The Narrative TraditionTerry Saracino: Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/ Christopher Copeland: Web: illuminatingpaths.com Narrative Podcasts: Heart of the Enneagram The Somatic Enneagram From Armor to Ease The Enneagram InstituteGayle Scott: Email - gayle@enneagrammysteryschool.com Michael Naylor: Web - enneagrammaine.com You Tube - Enneagram Maine Interviews — Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans — Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagramFollow Abram: @integratedenneagramFollow Creek: @_creekmoreFollow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy

  5. 06/19/2025

    Type 7: The Pursuit of Freedom, Possibility, and Joy

    The focal point of this podcast episode revolves around the exploration of Type Seven within the Enneagram framework, characterized by their intrinsic desire for excitement and aversion to emotional pain. We delve into the complexities of the Seven's experience, emphasizing the multifaceted nature of their personality, which is often misunderstood as superficiality. Through thoughtful discourse, we unravel the dichotomy of their vibrant exterior contrasted with the profound emotional depth they possess, often hidden beneath a facade of joy. By sharing personal anecdotes and insights, we aim to illuminate the rich inner world of Sevens, fostering a greater understanding of their motivations and challenges. The dialogue further encourages listeners to reflect on their own interactions and perceptions of this dynamic type, inviting a deeper appreciation for the nuanced layers that define the Seven's journey. Human Interview: Milton Stewart kaizencareers.com Do It For The Gram Podcast The Enneagram Institute  Type 7 The Narrative Enneagram Type 7 Awareness to Action Type 7 Awareness to ActionEnneagram on Demand - Certification Program Mario Sikora:  IG: @mariosikora TikTok: @mariosikora Web: mariosikora.com Substack: mariosikora.substack.com Maria Jose Munita:  IG: @mjmunita Web: mjmunita.com Podcasts: Awareness to Action Enneagram in a Movie The Narrative TraditionTerry Saracino: Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/ Christopher Copeland: Web: illuminatingpaths.com Narrative Podcasts: Heart of the Enneagram The Somatic Enneagram From Armor to Ease The Enneagram InstituteGayle Scott: Email - gayle@enneagrammysteryschool.com Michael Naylor: Web - enneagrammaine.com You Tube - Enneagram Maine Interviews — Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans — Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagramFollow Abram: @integratedenneagramFollow Creek: @_creekmoreFollow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy

  6. 06/03/2025

    Type 6: The Search for Security, Certainty, and Courage

    The salient focus of our discourse today revolves around the exploration of Type 6 within the Enneagram framework, characterized predominantly by a quest for security and an instinctive response to perceived threats. Throughout this episode, I engage with nine distinguished speakers, each contributing unique insights into the complexities that define this personality type. We delve into the dual expressions of Type 6, namely the phobic and counterphobic tendencies, highlighting how both seek safety albeit through divergent methodologies. The conversation further touches upon the intrinsic relationship between fear and courage, elucidating how these emotions coexist and inform the behaviors of Type 6 individuals. As we navigate these profound themes, our aim is to foster a comprehensive understanding of Type 6, encouraging listeners to reflect on how these dynamics may manifest in their own lives and in their interactions with others. Human Interview: Ben Campbell Website Instagram Awareness to Action Type 6 The Enneagram Institute Type 6 The Narrative Enneagram Type 6 Awareness to Action Enneagram on Demand - Certification Program Mario Sikora:  IG: @mariosikora TikTok: @mariosikora Web: mariosikora.com Substack: mariosikora.substack.com Maria Jose Munita:  IG: @mjmunita Web: mjmunita.com Podcasts: Awareness to Action Enneagram in a Movie The Narrative TraditionTerry Saracino: Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/ Christopher Copeland: Web: illuminatingpaths.com Narrative Podcasts: Heart of the Enneagram The Somatic Enneagram From Armor to Ease The Enneagram InstituteGayle Scott: Email - gayle@enneagrammysteryschool.com Michael Naylor: Web - enneagrammaine.com You Tube - Enneagram Maine Interviews — Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans — Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagramFollow Abram: @integratedenneagramFollow Creek: @_creekmoreFollow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy

  7. 05/21/2025

    Type 5: The Quest for Knowledge, Understanding, and Self-Sufficiency

    The focal point of today's discourse revolves around the Enneagram Type Five, characterized by their profound inclination towards detachment and observation as a means of navigating an overwhelmingly stimulating world. We delve into the complexities inherent in the Five’s experience, particularly emphasizing their heightened sensitivity, which often compels them to create emotional distance from their surroundings. Throughout our dialogue, various participants elucidate the nuances of the Five's emotional landscape, shedding light on the intricate interplay between intellect and feeling that defines their existence. Additionally, we reflect upon the common misconceptions surrounding Fives, particularly the notion that they are devoid of emotion, highlighting instead their rich internal life and the necessity for connection. As we progress, we invite listeners to consider how understanding Type Five can foster deeper empathy and insight into their own experiences and those of others. HUMAN INTERVIEW: Melissa Kircher Website Instagram Twitter Ticktok The Enneagram Institute Type 5 Awareness to Action Type 5 The Narrative Enneagram Type 5 Awareness to ActionEnneagram on Demand - Certification Program Mario Sikora:  IG: @mariosikora TikTok: @mariosikora Web: mariosikora.com Substack: mariosikora.substack.com Maria Jose Munita:  IG: @mjmunita Web: mjmunita.com Podcasts: Awareness to Action Enneagram in a Movie The Narrative TraditionTerry Saracino: Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/ Christopher Copeland: Web: illuminatingpaths.com Narrative Podcasts: Heart of the Enneagram The Somatic Enneagram From Armor to Ease The Enneagram InstituteGayle Scott: Email - gayle@enneagrammysteryschool.com Michael Naylor: Web - enneagrammaine.com You Tube - Enneagram Maine Interviews — Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans — Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagramFollow Abram: @integratedenneagramFollow Creek: @_creekmoreFollow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy

  8. 05/14/2025 ·  Bonus

    A Preview of IEA Enneagram Experience 2025

    In this special collaborative episode with Do It for The Gram, the International Enneagram Association Podcast and Fathoms, Milton Stewart is joined by Seth “Creek” Creekmore, Lindsey Marks and Lee Fields as they preview the upcoming IEA Enneagram Experience 2025 - Global Conference and Celebration. All four hosts will be in attendance, so they share what they are looking forward to at this summer’s annual event while also reflecting on this year’s theme — 30 years honoring Enneagram pioneers and future frontiers. The Fathoms team will continue to host the IEA podcast with the traditional long form interviews with legendary figures as well as collect personal stories from attendees to deeply humanize this work. In their current Season Five, Fathoms has been focusing on the history of the Enneagram from the perspective of different schools and models to get a fuller picture of how they’ve come into this tool, providing an important and better framework and grounding before the conference. Milton's Links and Handles: Join KCEP Program: kaizen-enneagram-community.mn.co The B.I.G. Enneagram Retreat: bigenneagramretreat.simvoly.com/application Milton's Website: KaizenCareers.com Upcoming Events: kaizencareers.com/upcoming-events IEA Links: IEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.com IEA Podcast: international-enneagram.captivate.fm Connect with Creek: Instagram: @_creekmore Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B Connect with Lindsey: IG: @lindseyfaithdm Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Connect with Lee: Web: enneagrammatic.com IG: @enneagrammaticAwareness to Action Enneagram on Demand - Certification Program Mario Sikora:  IG: @mariosikora TikTok: @mariosikora Web: mariosikora.com Substack: mariosikora.substack.com Maria Jose Munita:  IG: @mjmunita Web: mjmunita.com Podcasts: Awareness to Action Enneagram in a Movie The Narrative TraditionTerry Saracino: Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/ Christopher Copeland: Web: illuminatingpaths.com Narrative Podcasts: Heart of the Enneagram The Somatic Enneagram From Armor to Ease The Enneagram InstituteGayle Scott: Email - gayle@enneagrammysteryschool.com Michael Naylor: Web - enneagrammaine.com You Tube - Enneagram Maine Interviews — Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans — Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagramFollow Abram: @integratedenneagramFollow Creek: @_creekmoreFollow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy

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The Fathoms podcast is about serious work for unserious humans. We dive deep into the topics that make us human. Whether it's the Enneagram or just learning to ask better questions. There's never a shortage of gravity or levity, so hit play, let's get to it! This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy

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    Liminal Podcasts
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  • Episodes
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