The Experimental Leader

Melanie Parish and Mel Rutherford

Are you a business owner, executive, leader, team leader, aspiring future leader, leadership junkie, a scientist, a design thinker, or simply the leader of your own life? If you are, then you are a leader, and as such, you should be experimenting! Welcome to The Experimental Leader, a podcast where we tackle the ways leaders are experimenting in their own work. Hosted by Melanie Parish and Dr. Mel Rutherford, we dive into the most interesting questions about leaders and get into real-life conversations about how people might be experimenting with their leadership. What they are trying? How they are leading and managing their flow of work and throughput? How are they managing bottlenecks, mission, vision, strategic, operational, and tactical intents? How do they organize experiments? How do they succeed? How do they fail? How do they collect data? The loneliness of leadership can be overwhelming, especially when a leader gets promoted and doesn’t have a roadmap for how to lead. They might feel like they are supposed to have the answers, and yet they have to figure out what that really means. The hardest part can be not having anyone to talk to about their leadership journey. Fear not. Let Melanie Parish and Mel Rutherford be your guide to becoming the leader you were meant to be – an experimental leader! A public speaker, consultant, workshop leader, author, and Master Certified Coach through the International Coach Federation, from whom she received the Prism Award, Melanie is an expert in problem-solving, constraints management, operations, strategic hiring, and brand development. She has consulted and coached organizations ranging from a Fortune 50 company to IT start-ups receiving their first round of funding. Her individual clients include those in FAANG and other top global IT companies. Melanie is a Certified Professional Coactive Coach and, Organization and Relationship Systems Certified Coach, and a Theory of Constraints Certified Jonah. As an author, educator, and creator of The Experimental Leader program, Melanie shows people new ways of thinking about their leadership, informed by her understanding of the fast-paced ride of technology innovation. A professor in the Department of Psychology, Neuroscience and Behaviour, and Canada Research Chair in Social Perception. Dr. Mel Rutherford graduated from Yale University and earned a Ph.D. in Psychology with an emphasis in Human Development from the University of California at Santa Barbara. A Fulbright Fellowship allowed Dr. Rutherford to study and collaborate with the well-known Simon Baron-Cohen in Cambridge, England. Dr. Rutherford also worked with Bruce Pennington and Sally Rogers at the University of Denver as a postdoctoral fellow. He now heads a dynamic research laboratory at McMaster University. Dr. Rutherford is well-known for research in the field of psychology and has been interviewed and quoted in The Globe and Mail, The London Times, The Chicago Times, CBC Radio, Quirks and Quarks, and The Discovery Channel, as well as many AP newspapers around the world. Get rid of the fear and doubt, and shift your leadership into something that works better. Every week, learn from top leaders about how they’re experimenting, how they’re leading, and how they’re doing the things that they do. Join us here on The Experimental Leader and step into leadership with confidence and the knowledge to start leading the experiment today!

  1. 1d ago

    Accountability Starts Within with JD Johnson

    What if becoming a better leader starts with looking inward? In this episode of The Experimental Leader Podcast, Melanie Parish and Dr. Mel Rutherford sit down with JD Johnson to explore personal accountability, emotional intelligence, and authentic leadership. They discuss why understanding your values, motivations, and emotional triggers is essential to leading yourself and others effectively. JD shares her work on Accountable Leadership Intelligence and the importance of making emotional intelligence practical. The conversation also explores why high-performing employees often struggle when promoted into leadership, how setting boundaries supports authentic leadership, and how to use AI without losing your unique voice and judgment. In this episode, you'll discover: Why accountability starts with self-awareness.How emotional intelligence strengthens leadership.Why being a great individual contributor doesn't automatically make you a great leader.How to use AI while preserving your authenticity.Why taking responsibility for your own impact is essential to leading others. Continue your leadership journey! Explore Dr. Mel Rutherford's Leadership Blueprint course and access it for free using promo code ODYSSEY. Your leadership experiment: Before your next difficult conversation, ask yourself: What is my part in this situation, and what can I take responsibility for? Effective leadership starts within. Listen, reflect, and keep experimenting.

  2. Sep 24

    Traps and Tricks: When to Ask, When to Decide

    When should a leader ask for input, and when is it better to simply make the decision? In this episode of The Experimental Leader Podcast, Melanie Parish and Mel Rutherford explore one of the trickier parts of leadership: knowing when collaboration is helpful and when asking for input can actually create confusion, frustration, or a false sense of shared decision-making. They unpack the difference between consulting, collaborating, and deciding, and why leaders need to understand their own decision-making authority before asking others for their opinions. If a leader already knows the decision is going forward, asking for input without being clear about what can actually change can erode trust. Melanie and Mel discuss when leaders should involve people who are directly affected by a decision, why routine or preference-based decisions rarely require broad consultation, and how hiring decisions can benefit from input from the people who will actually work with a candidate. They also explore how decision-making changes depending on the organizational context, from academic shared governance to startups and owner-led businesses. The takeaway? Before you ask, know what you are asking for, who needs to be involved, and what you are willing or able to change. Want to strengthen your leadership decision-making and build a clearer leadership practice? Explore the Leadership Blueprint and use promo code ODYSSEY for access. 👉 https://www.experimentalacademy.com/leadership-blueprint Listen in and keep experimenting with how you lead.

  3. Aug 27

    Traps and Tricks: Turning Employee Exits into Cultural Wins

    What happens to your organizational culture when a valued employee leaves? In this episode of The Experimental Leader, Melanie Parish and Mel Rutherford explore one of the often-overlooked moments in leadership: how we handle employee departures. Even when an exit is complicated by frustration, conflict, or disappointment, the way leaders respond sends a powerful message to the people who remain. Mel and Melanie discuss why failing to acknowledge an employee’s contributions can become a cultural trap—and how thoughtful, authentic recognition can turn a departure into an opportunity to reinforce what your organization values. You’ll hear practical insights on how to: Recognize an employee’s contribution, even when the ending isn’t perfect.Understand what remaining employees are watching when someone leaves.Protect and strengthen organizational culture during times of transition.Separate gratitude for someone’s contribution from the circumstances of their departure.Support the idea that people can grow beyond an organization—and that this can be a sign of healthy leadership.A good goodbye isn’t just about the person who is leaving. It’s also about the people who stay and the culture you are continuing to build. Listen to this episode of The Experimental Leader and consider: What message does your organization send when someone walks out the door? Get the Leadership Blueprint FREE: Visit the Leadership Blueprint course and use code ODYSSEY at checkout to access it for free. Keep experimenting. Keep learning. Keep leading.

  4. Aug 11

    Digital Detox & Thoughtload with Liane Davey

    What if feeling overwhelmed isn’t really about your workload but your thought load? In this episode of The Experimental Leader, Melanie Parish and Mel Rutherford sit down with leadership expert Liane Davey to explore the invisible mental and emotional demands that can leave leaders and teams feeling depleted, distracted, and overwhelmed. Liane introduces the concept of thought load, which goes beyond the traditional idea of workload. Thought load is created by the combination of rising cognitive demands, emotional burdens, and depleted energy reserves and it can quietly affect our performance, relationships, decision-making, and ability to engage in productive conflict. Liane shares her own experiment with a two-week digital and mental reset, including silent walks, coloring, and intentional periods of zero input. The goal isn’t to eliminate thoughts, but to create enough space for deeper processing, new connections, emotional regulation, and renewed energy. The conversation also explores how digital overstimulation, remote work, smartphones, and even AI can impact the way we think, connect, learn, and process information. Liane challenges us to consider whether our constant access to information is helping us think better or encouraging us to surrender some of the deeper cognitive work that makes us curious, creative, and thoughtful. You’ll also hear how high thought load can contribute to conflict debt, why workplaces may be missing opportunities for informal learning, and what leaders can do to make thought load more manageable and purposeful. In this episode, you’ll discover: What thought load is and why it matters for leadersThe connection between cognitive demands, emotional burdens, and energyHow digital overstimulation contributes to mental overloadPractical ways to create space for deeper thinking and processingWhy unresolved conflict can increase thought loadHow remote work has changed informal learning and connectionThe potential risks of relying too heavily on AIHow leaders can redirect thought load toward meaningful work, relationships, and contribution If you’ve ever felt busy without knowing exactly why you’re exhausted, this conversation offers a new way to understand what may be happening beneath the surface. Listen now and keep experimenting with your leadership. Bonus: Get free access to the Leadership Blueprint course using code ODYSSEY.

  5. Aug 7

    Skill Up: Hiring Beyond Your Bias

    Are you hiring people who truly fit the role or simply people who feel familiar? In this episode of The Experimental Leader Podcast, Mel Rutherford and Melanie Parish explore one of the most common leadership traps: hiring people who think, work, and lead just like you. While it may feel comfortable, it can limit innovation, collaboration, and long-term organizational success. Melanie shares how leaders can make more intentional hiring decisions by understanding personality preferences, using tools like DISC to define role requirements, and recognizing when bias may be influencing their choices. The conversation also explores how to navigate limited talent pools, when it's worth extending a search for the right candidate, and why developing skills is often easier than changing natural behavioral preferences. Whether you're hiring your first employee or building a high-performing leadership team, this episode offers practical insights to help you make better hiring decisions and create stronger, more balanced teams. In this episode, you'll learn: Why leaders naturally hire people who are similar to themselvesHow diverse personalities strengthen organizational performanceHow DISC can support smarter hiring decisionsWhat to do when the ideal candidate doesn't appearThe difference between developing skills and changing personality preferencesHow curiosity can help reduce unconscious hiring bias Listen now and start experimenting with hiring practices that build stronger teams, better collaboration, and lasting leadership success. Ready to grow your leadership skills? Get the Leadership Blueprint course FREE by using the code odyssey at checkout. It's a practical resource designed to help you lead with greater confidence, clarity, and impact.

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Are you a business owner, executive, leader, team leader, aspiring future leader, leadership junkie, a scientist, a design thinker, or simply the leader of your own life? If you are, then you are a leader, and as such, you should be experimenting! Welcome to The Experimental Leader, a podcast where we tackle the ways leaders are experimenting in their own work. Hosted by Melanie Parish and Dr. Mel Rutherford, we dive into the most interesting questions about leaders and get into real-life conversations about how people might be experimenting with their leadership. What they are trying? How they are leading and managing their flow of work and throughput? How are they managing bottlenecks, mission, vision, strategic, operational, and tactical intents? How do they organize experiments? How do they succeed? How do they fail? How do they collect data? The loneliness of leadership can be overwhelming, especially when a leader gets promoted and doesn’t have a roadmap for how to lead. They might feel like they are supposed to have the answers, and yet they have to figure out what that really means. The hardest part can be not having anyone to talk to about their leadership journey. Fear not. Let Melanie Parish and Mel Rutherford be your guide to becoming the leader you were meant to be – an experimental leader! A public speaker, consultant, workshop leader, author, and Master Certified Coach through the International Coach Federation, from whom she received the Prism Award, Melanie is an expert in problem-solving, constraints management, operations, strategic hiring, and brand development. She has consulted and coached organizations ranging from a Fortune 50 company to IT start-ups receiving their first round of funding. Her individual clients include those in FAANG and other top global IT companies. Melanie is a Certified Professional Coactive Coach and, Organization and Relationship Systems Certified Coach, and a Theory of Constraints Certified Jonah. As an author, educator, and creator of The Experimental Leader program, Melanie shows people new ways of thinking about their leadership, informed by her understanding of the fast-paced ride of technology innovation. A professor in the Department of Psychology, Neuroscience and Behaviour, and Canada Research Chair in Social Perception. Dr. Mel Rutherford graduated from Yale University and earned a Ph.D. in Psychology with an emphasis in Human Development from the University of California at Santa Barbara. A Fulbright Fellowship allowed Dr. Rutherford to study and collaborate with the well-known Simon Baron-Cohen in Cambridge, England. Dr. Rutherford also worked with Bruce Pennington and Sally Rogers at the University of Denver as a postdoctoral fellow. He now heads a dynamic research laboratory at McMaster University. Dr. Rutherford is well-known for research in the field of psychology and has been interviewed and quoted in The Globe and Mail, The London Times, The Chicago Times, CBC Radio, Quirks and Quarks, and The Discovery Channel, as well as many AP newspapers around the world. Get rid of the fear and doubt, and shift your leadership into something that works better. Every week, learn from top leaders about how they’re experimenting, how they’re leading, and how they’re doing the things that they do. Join us here on The Experimental Leader and step into leadership with confidence and the knowledge to start leading the experiment today!