ESG In Property Podcast

LifeProven ESG Property Company

Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to The ESG in Property Podcast! Hosted by Adam Hinds, Co-Founder of LifeProven Real Estate Advisory, we give you insider access to the most innovative and ambitious commercial real estate leaders pioneering financial, social, and environmental impact. From strategy and regulation to wellbeing, data, and design, we uncover how they think and behave differently to deliver superior outcomes, bringing you their secret sauce so you can learn from the very, very best. New episodes available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms.

  1. Dynamic Real Estate Asset Management: How to Use Less Carbon and Drive Financial Success

    JAN 8

    Dynamic Real Estate Asset Management: How to Use Less Carbon and Drive Financial Success

    V7 is an asset and development management company specialising in the transformation and decarbonisation of buildings. The team focuses on deep transformation and creating more sustainable, enjoyable environments that reduce carbon impact and deliver financial success for clients.  In this episode, co-founder and director Chris Hunt explains how that philosophy took shape. His route into real estate ran from converting a dilapidated house in Bristol into flats, to 11 years at Cushman & Wakefield, to leading transformation projects at Legal & General. Over time, one theme kept repeating itself. Long-term financial strength relies on two fundamentals. Buildings must perform environmentally, and they must create places where people genuinely want to be. Everything else flows from that.  The conversation explores the principles behind V7’s operating model. Chris sets out why their projects begin with first-principles thinking. Why standard assumptions around cost, materials, and specification need to be challenged. And why their philosophy of “use less, waste less” has become a core design tool for reducing embodied carbon, lowering operational costs, and strengthening long-term viability.  We also discuss V7’s commitment to what Chris calls “bold transparency”, including publishing embodied carbon figures for their projects even when they sit above internal targets. It is a deliberate move to raise industry standards, cut through superficial ESG claims, and show in black and white what a building has actually consumed.  The episode looks at the challenge of partner alignment, the role of cognitive diversity, and why V7 will walk away from investors or consultants who are not committed to building responsibly. It also addresses the growing engagement gap between developers and occupiers, and why the industry still struggles to communicate technical sustainability data in ways that genuinely resonate.  Taken together, the conversation offers a clear, grounded picture of what it takes to deliver buildings that are financially resilient, lower carbon, and genuinely future-ready.  Episode Chapters  00:00 V7’s philosophy and purpose 05:20 Chris Hunt’s background and early career 12:10 Founding V7 and the shift toward transformation 17:45 First-principles design and “use less, waste less” 23:30 Bold transparency and measuring embodied carbon 28:40 Choosing the right partners and building diverse teams 34:10 The occupier engagement challenge 40:55 Advice, inspiration, and the future of V7  About Chris Hunt Co-Founder and Director of V7. Chris leads the firm’s strategy across asset transformation, development, and decarbonisation.   His experience spans more than 15 years in real estate, including senior roles at Cushman & Wakefield and Legal & General.   With a background in both investment and hands-on development, Chris brings a detailed, first-principles approach to creating buildings that are financially resilient, environmentally responsible, and designed for modern ways of living and working.

    53 min
  2. Power, Pricing and Real Estate Resilience: A Lawyer’s Guide to the New Energy Landscape

    12/11/2025

    Power, Pricing and Real Estate Resilience: A Lawyer’s Guide to the New Energy Landscape

    “It used to be a nice to have to be seen to be green for properties. Now it is an actual commercial imperative."  Energy has moved to the centre of real estate value. Rising power prices, grid constraints, lender expectations and operational risk now sit behind every investment decision. Buildings that cannot secure affordable, low-carbon energy face higher operating costs, a growing brown discount and an increased risk of obsolescence. Those that can, gain an advantage on running costs, liquidity and access to finance.  Jonathan Cohen explains how this shift has unfolded. As a specialist energy lawyer with more than 20 years’ experience, he advises utilities, project developers, major energy users, real estate owners and funders on clean-energy transactions across rooftop solar, battery storage, district heating, corporate PPAs and private-wire structures. His work sits at the intersection of infrastructure, regulation and property — where long-term value is increasingly determined.  A major part of the discussion focuses on the rapid emergence of zero-capex models for on-site clean energy. Third-party providers now fund, build and maintain rooftop solar and battery systems on long leases. Landlords enhance their asset without deploying capital. Tenants receive cheaper, green power in a high-cost market. Funders gain long-term contracted revenues.  We then turn to the hardest constraint of all: the grid. Connection delays stretching into the 2030s are reshaping development timelines and forcing new due-diligence practices. Jonathan sets out why the system is blocked, how “zombie” connection agreements created a backlog, and how new queue-management rules are designed to prioritise viable projects.  The conversation also explores corporate power purchase agreements and private-wire arrangements. Jonathan explains where PPAs make sense, what lenders look for, and why location, credit quality and load profile determine whether a structure can deliver real savings and bankable economics.  Finally, we examine the growing importance of green leases. Not as broad statements of intent, but as specific, measurable, enforceable clauses that hard-wire energy performance, cost-sharing and change-of-law provisions into the landlord–tenant relationship. The goal is simple: protect asset value, deliver operational efficiency and ensure that sustainability commitments are achieved in practice.  The episode offers a clear picture of how energy, contracts and regulation now shape real-estate performance, and what owners, developers and occupiers must get right to build future-resilient assets rather than stranded ones.  Episode Chapters  00:00 Introduction, context and why energy now sits at the heart of ESG  01:43 How energy and sustainability in real estate have evolved  05:52 Commercial drivers, zero capex clean tech and on site generation  15:27 Grid connection constraints and their impact on development strategy  26:18 District heat networks and the coming heat regulation regime  29:12 Corporate PPAs, pricing, risk allocation and lender expectations  37:10 Private wire arrangements and local energy solutions  38:54 Green leases, "bankable" clauses and aligning landlords and tenants  44:57 Sharing knowledge, collaboration and what comes next for the sector  About Jonathan Cohen  Jonathan Cohen is a Partner at Fladgate specialising in energy and low carbon infrastructure. He advises utilities, developers, major energy users, real estate investors, funders and energy services companies on the full life cycle of clean energy projects, from rooftop solar and battery storage through to district heating, EV charging and complex corporate PPAs.  With more than twenty years of experience in the sector, Jonathan brings a detailed understanding of how regulation, contracts and financing structures shape the economics of energy for buildings, and how the right structures can protect value for both owners and occupiers.

    53 min
  3. Risk, Returns and Value-Add Real Estate: The Evonite Philosophy

    11/12/2025

    Risk, Returns and Value-Add Real Estate: The Evonite Philosophy

    “Risk is often marginalised, especially during bull markets. We believe it should drive decision-making and portfolio construction at all times.”    For Evonite, risk is the foundation of every decision. The firm focuses on medium-risk, value-add investing, built on disciplined underwriting, transparent analysis, and consistent performance for investors, not asset gathering.    Jose Luis Pellicer explains how this philosophy came to define the business. Trained as an applied economist, he began his career analysing industries at Deutsche Bank before moving into real estate, a sector that combined geography, finance, corporate structure, and competition. Working with mentor Nick Tyrrell, he learned to approach property from first principles. That outsider’s perspective still shapes how Evonite challenges convention today.    The Global Financial Crisis reinforced a central lesson: markets are driven by stories as much as by numbers, and people follow the herd. Pricing becomes detached from fundamentals until it no longer can. The skill lies in recognising when that exuberance has gone too far and acting accordingly.    At the centre of Evonite’s approach is the Evonite risk score, a consistent analytical framework that measures and compares every potential investment before capital is deployed. It defines risk as financial downside, the risk of not achieving the underwritten return. Built on three core property risks: depreciation, vacancy, and liquidity, it blends scientific structure with human judgement to create a common scale for all deals.    Evonite launched in 2024 to deliver investor performance in a market dominated by scale, to stay nimble in a changing geopolitical and regulatory landscape, and to bring consistent, transparent risk assessment into every decision.    The conversation challenges consensus views and explores where opportunity may lie in sectors that most investors have written off, and why discipline, rather than conviction alone, will define success in the years ahead.    Episode Chapters    00:00 Introduction to ESG in Property Podcast  02:11 Jose's Journey into Real Estate  09:32 Influential Figures and Learning Resources  19:58 Founding Principles of Evonite  26:18 Understanding Risk in Property Investment  27:06 Evonite A New Approach to Real Estate  28:54 Defining and Managing Risk  33:16 Strategies for Risk Management  36:49 Navigating High-Risk Investments  37:53 Contrarian Views on Investment Sectors  43:37 The Future of Office Spaces  44:52 Researching and Assessing Risks  51:25 Looking Ahead: The Future of Evonite    About Jose Luis Pellicer   Jose Luis Pellicer is Partner Strategy at Evonite, where he leads the firm’s investment and ESG strategy, chairs the Investment Committee, supports capital raising, and oversees marketing and communications. He brings more than 25 years of real estate experience. Before Evonite, he was Global Head of Investment Strategy at M&G Real Estate, chairing the Global Investment Committee and sitting on the executive committee. He has previously been a partner at Rockspring Property Investment Managers, later served as Patrizia’s Global Head of Research and a member of its senior leadership group, and has held roles at Goldman Sachs, AEW Europe, and Deutsche Bank.

    53 min
  4. Future-Ready Warehouses: European Green Logistics Space on ESG, Financial Returns, and Social Responsibility

    10/23/2025

    Future-Ready Warehouses: European Green Logistics Space on ESG, Financial Returns, and Social Responsibility

    “To be green, the numbers have to be green.”    For EGLS, sustainability is not an add-on. It is the business model. The company was founded to create the industrial buildings of the future, with a clear view that long-term value comes from embedding sustainability in every decision.  CEO Ian Worboys explains how this works in practice. Warehouses must stand for 75 years, which means thinking beyond rent levels to lifecycle cost, resilience, and community impact. In a market where a significant proportion of UK logistics stock remains below EPC C, EGLS focuses on repositioning and retrofitting existing assets, proving that preservation and upgrade can protect investor returns while avoiding stranded assets.  Ian outlines how the investment case is shifting. Green assets achieve valuation premiums, reduced voids, and access to favourable financing through green bonds. Occupiers like DHL and Amazon now demand sustainable buildings to meet their own carbon commitments. The job is to win over the CFO as much as the real estate team, by showing that being green protects the bottom line.  At the same time, EGLS pushes the boundaries of new development. Low-carbon materials, advanced construction techniques, solar integration, and hydrogen power are explored across projects, with each scheme treated as a chance to learn and improve. This culture of evolution defines the company’s approach.  Social value is equally central. The “Happy Worker” idea is built on evidence that better air quality, natural light, outdoor space, and amenities reduce absenteeism and improve productivity. From showers and bike sheds to landscaped areas with flowers, the details matter. Happier workers create a positive flow-on effect for families, neighbours, and communities.  Good governance underpins everything. EGLS’s leadership team is built on decades of shared experience and trust, with governance structures in place from day one through parent company Kamco. This combination of cultural alignment, compliance, and long-term thinking ensures the company can scale across Europe while staying accountable.  Episode Chapters    00:00 Foundational Vision: Personal Journeys and the Birth of EGLS  06:18, The Financial Mandate: Proving ESG Value and Stakeholder Education  14:40, Operational Strategy: Repositioning Assets, Supply Chain and Social Design  26:15, Governance, Evolution, and Looking to the Future of Logistics Spaces

    35 min
  5. Beyond the Bottom Line: Stories’ People First Approach

    07/17/2025

    Beyond the Bottom Line: Stories’ People First Approach

    “At Stories, we focus on development that puts people first. It is a serious commitment that shapes how we think, how we partner, and how we deliver.” Paul Clark and James Scott, two of the three co-founders of Stories, share how they build meaningful places through purpose-driven partnerships, place-specific responses and a long-term commitment to community value. With £100 million in patient capital, they partner with aligned landowners and institutions to deliver socially grounded, commercially viable schemes. They work through a very iterative framework, the Four Question Framework for wider key stakeholders: 1. Does it work? Outcomes across community benefit, commercial performance and ESG. 2. Do we love it? A check for design integrity, emotional resonance and ambition. 3. Can we afford it? Funding structures that support the vision without compromise. 4. Can we deliver it? The right governance, procurement and people to make it happen. From a homelessness hub in Westminster to a 10-acre town centre renewal in Frome, each project begins with a clear sense of why. That question anchors the process in purpose, brings teams into alignment, and keeps outcomes focused on what matters, beyond just the red line boundary. Their legal infrastructure supports this ethos. Stories use relational contracts, structures built on trust, not transactions. They formalise transparency, hold space for unexpected outcomes, and create the conditions for shared success. In a system where public and private interests often speak different languages, this approach builds a common one. What emerges is not a fixed blueprint, but a way of working – clear, intentional, and grounded in purpose. One that draws in like-minded partners, attracts talent, and allows complex projects to move forward with confidence and care. About the Guests: Paul Clark has a background in planning and development and a career spanning public, private, and third-sector roles. Paul has consistently focused on aligning commercial development with long-term social value. At Stories, he leads on strategy, partnerships, and governance - helping to shape projects that prioritise fairness, sustainability, and genuine community benefit. His approach blends deep industry knowledge with a commitment to collaboration and ethical practice in the built environment. James Scott studied engineering before joining the founding team at The Collective straight out of university, helping to grow the business from house-shares to large-scale purpose built co-living schemes. He co-founded Stories to prove development could fulfil a wider responsibility to people and place. He now leads on company strategy and operations, and is delivering several of Stories’ projects, aligning capital with community outcomes that last. Episode Chapters (00:00) - Introduction to ESG and Stories (02:36) - Personal Journeys into Real Estate (13:22) - Career Overviews and Influences (22:22) - Understanding Stories: A Purpose-Driven Approach (26:21) - The Fluidity of Development: Adapting to Local Needs (27:35) - The Importance of Reflection in Development (29:02) - Capturing the Magic: Intangibles in Development (29:55) - Navigating Financial and Delivery Challenges (32:44) - Intentionality in Leadership and Partnerships (34:48) - Building Relationships Through Word of Mouth (36:23) - Leadership Beyond the Developer (38:46) - The Concept of Relational Contracts (45:33) - Authenticity and Continuous Learning Further Resources: Stories beyond the bottom line – creating meaningful places blog: https://www.stories.partners/post/beyond-the-bottom-line-creating-meaningful-places Stories Project Portfolio: https://www.stories.partners/projects Start with Why by Simon Sinek: https://simonsinek.com/books/start-with-why/ How Big Things Get Done: https://sites.prh.com/how-big-things-get-done-book

    55 min
  6. Social Impact Investor of the Year: How Oparo Social Delivers Supported Housing at Scale

    06/18/2025

    Social Impact Investor of the Year: How Oparo Social Delivers Supported Housing at Scale

    Toby Wilde, founder of Oparo Social, joins Adam Hinds to discuss how a data-led investment model is delivering long-term supported housing that serves residents, investors and public services alike. Named Social Impact Investor of the Year 2024 at the UK Finance Awards by SME News, Oparo Social operates as a dedicated brand within Oparo Group, the UK’s first algorithm-led real estate investment company. The Group’s proprietary technology identifies undervalued or overlooked real estate assets. Oparo Social then partners with housing associations and local authorities to convert those assets into stable, well-managed homes for people facing homelessness, domestic abuse, addiction recovery or neurodiversity. To date, Oparo Social has delivered more than 135 supported homes. These schemes are structured through long-term Full Repairing and Insuring (FRI) leases aligned with Local Housing Allowance. The company has also secured institutional funding to deliver £500 million of housing, alongside mandates for hundreds more supported accommodation places. This episode explores how the model has been built to scale. It covers the use of repeatable delivery, consistent design standards and remote asset management. It also explains why psychologically informed design and operational efficiency are central to improving outcomes. Toby reflects on his entrepreneurial journey, including lessons from PropTech, early missteps, and the values that continue to shape how Oparo operates. About Toby Wilde and Oparo Toby Wilde is the founder of Oparo Group, Oparo Social and a founding partner of Sprift.com. He comes from the Milne family, known for delivering thousands of homes across the Thames Valley, particularly in supported, sheltered and retirement living. His family also founded one of the UK’s first regulated real estate funds under the 1980s BES scheme. Toby began his career in development and consultancy before helping build Sprift into one of the UK’s most widely used property data platforms. In 2019, he launched Oparo Group to apply data and technology to real estate investment. Oparo Social is the part of the business focused on supported housing, using the Group’s infrastructure to source, deliver and manage homes across the UK. Toby is a regular speaker on PropTech and social investment, and has volunteered with Ruskin Mill Trust and the Sophie Hayes Foundation. Episode Chapters 00:00 – Introduction to Toby Wilde and Oparo Group01:27 – Toby’s journey into real estate05:33 – Career pathway and lessons from PropTech12:09 – The origins and mission of Oparo Social16:42 – How data and tech are applied to supported housing20:33 – Building infrastructure to manage distributed assets24:23 – Enhancing resident experience through design and remote monitoring29:09 – Designing for psychological wellbeing and stability32:43 – Balancing profit, purpose and public-sector value37:40 – The importance of resilience, character and long-term thinking40:55 – Why connection and community are essential to impact Why This Episode Matters With local authorities under pressure and supported housing in short supply, this episode offers a practical look at how private-sector models can contribute to public outcomes. Oparo Social’s approach shows that investor-backed housing can align with social needs without compromising on quality, consistency or returns.

    43 min
  7. Creating Social Cities: How Noiascape is Reinventing Urban Living

    03/27/2025

    Creating Social Cities: How Noiascape is Reinventing Urban Living

    Hello, hello, hello! In this episode of The ESG in Property Podcast, Adam Hinds and Jordan Relfe, co-founders of LifeProven, speak with visionary brothers Tom and James Teatum, founders of Noiascape—a London-based developer and operator dedicated to redefining modern urban living. Noiascape thoughtfully integrates private spaces with communal areas to foster meaningful social interactions, resulting in significant demand and waiting lists of up to two years for their developments. Listen in as we discuss how Noiascape is reshaping residential spaces, promoting genuine community connections, and thoughtfully responding to the changing lifestyles of urban dwellers. Episode Overview: Tom and James Teatum share their distinctive philosophy of urban living, highlighting the importance of blending personal spaces with communal interaction to build vibrant communities. Drawing from their manifesto and practical experience, they explain how thoughtful architectural design and operational management are central to their developments' success. About Our Guests: Tom and James Teatum transitioned from careers in architecture to becoming developers and operators after recognising the limitations of conventional residential offerings. Influenced by their family's construction background and inspired by renowned architects like Richard Rogers, they founded Noiascape with a clear ambition: to create thoughtfully designed living environments that facilitate authentic connections and cultural experiences. Their approach prioritises design excellence and meaningful operational management, setting a new standard for urban residential spaces. Key Topics Explored: • Philosophy of Space and Connection: Tom and James share their belief that cities thrive on interactions happening in the spaces between buildings. They discuss Noiascape's practical strategies to encourage spontaneous social engagement and stronger community ties. • Enabling Cultural Expression: Discover how Noiascape actively integrates cultural activities into their developments, supporting emerging artists and enriching community life through events, exhibitions, and creative opportunities. • Environmental Approach in Practice: The conversation covers Noiascape's practical environmental strategies, including high-performance insulation, renewable energy systems, and intelligent technology designed to reduce energy consumption through everyday living rituals. • Operational Excellence and Future Vision: Tom and James discuss how strategic investment in operational experiences directly impacts resident satisfaction and retention. They outline their plans to scale their innovative approach beyond London, emphasising the importance of collaboration with investment partners who align with their values and vision for community-focused urban development. Join Us & Learn More: Tune in to discover Noiascape’s distinctive model and their thoughtful response to contemporary urban housing challenges. Essential listening for anyone interested in innovative real estate development, community-building strategies, and the future of city living. Listen now to gain a deeper understanding of the vision behind Noiascape.

    58 min

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Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to The ESG in Property Podcast! Hosted by Adam Hinds, Co-Founder of LifeProven Real Estate Advisory, we give you insider access to the most innovative and ambitious commercial real estate leaders pioneering financial, social, and environmental impact. From strategy and regulation to wellbeing, data, and design, we uncover how they think and behave differently to deliver superior outcomes, bringing you their secret sauce so you can learn from the very, very best. New episodes available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms.