Holding Up The Ladder

Matshidiso

A podcast about the creative process - the how, the why. Most artists are inspired by more than just their own medium – so even though podcast host, Matshidiso is a musician, the Arts more broadly, politics, people – in short, life informs the music she makes. And why ‘Holding up the ladder?’ Because we’re all trying to get somewhere and Matshidiso believes we not only further the arts but each other if we ‘hold up the ladder’ rather than pull the ladder up from under us as we climb. Website: holdinguptheladder.com IG: @holdinguptheladder Twiiter: @hutl_ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  1. It’s your job to make the work

    09/26/2025

    It’s your job to make the work

    Welcome to a special live episode of Holding up the Ladder in collaboration with The Royal College of Art. feat. Gülce Tulçalı and Phoebe Davies. As part of the Royal College of Art (RCA) MA graduate students', 'Curating Contemporary Art Exhibition' and their curatorial show, Feed Back, I was invited to lead a discussion exploring remediating legacies, curatorial repair and the role of artistic practice in defining and potentially shaping new legacies.  Our conversation took place in the Hanger space at the RCA, an open concrete and brick exhibition space with numerous MA students assembling their curatorial shows. So during our conversation expect to hear the hive like activity of a space in preparation. The curatorial team responsible for Feed Back were: Apoorva Subbanna, Yi Fan, Serena Gao, Francesca Inciong, Stephanie Rubio, Arina Baburskova and Indy Calland In conversation were artists: Gülce Tulçalı & Phoebe Davies We talk about dystopian realities, about the body, about making, about the artist’s role responding to the world around us. We talk about tenant farming and about collectivity and the commons. Gülce Tulçalı Bio Phoebe Davies Bio Links Now, The Invisible Committee Octavia's Brood Vandana Shiva, Reclaiming The Commons Slade Farm Organics & Podcast Title: It's Your Job to Make the Work - A Holding Up The Ladder production in collaboration with RCA feat. Gülce Tulçalı and Phoebe Davies Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    1h 1m
  2. Zadie Smith & Devonté Hynes

    06/10/2025

    Zadie Smith & Devonté Hynes

    I can’t think of a better way to end season 4 and the never before heard conversations from my archive, than my conversation between friends, Zadie Smith and Devonté Hynes. I’d been badgering Zadie for a while to let me interview her and when she agreed, the day before our conversation was scheduled, she emailed to ask if she could bring her friend Dev? I of course said yes, scrambled to find another microphone and when we had a last minute cancellation of the recording venue, we had to do it at my house. And the room with the best soundproofing, my bedroom! We talk about how we’re all storytellers; about music; about the power of live music; about the myth of the 10,000 hours; about Prince; about whether we should define ourselves as 'artists'; about authenticity and consciousness; about knowing and unknowing and about being students forever. I’ve produced almost 60 podcast episodes and this is one of my favourites. Because, for me, there is nothing more fulfilling than sitting around with creative people talking about music and making and process - it’s why this podcast exists. I hope you enjoy it as much as I do. Guests: Zadie Smith & Devonté Hynes Title: I would never call myself an artist Music: Lil Nas X, Industry Baby; Arctic Monkeys, There'd Better Be a Mirrorball; Maggie Rogers, That's Where I Am; Knucks, Alpha House Links Devonté Hynes IG and Website Zadie Smith Website Zadie interview on latest book, The Fraud - BBC Sounds, This Cultural Life Find out ways to support the Israel-Palestine project click here Podcast Website Podcast IG Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    1h 25m
  3. Francis Fuster (Pt 1)

    05/27/2025

    Francis Fuster (Pt 1)

    You’re in for a treat today! And a little interruption from conversations from my archive. I recently did a gig at London’s Jazz Cafe playing keys and singing for a special concert in honour of South Africa Freedom Day and the late great South African trumpeter, Hugh Masekela. The person leading the band was his percussionist and friend of nearly 50 years, Francis Fuster. Born in Sierra Leone to a Liberian mother and Swiss father. Now 81 (but looks more like a man in his 60's!) a 7th Dan black belt in karate, upright and sharp as a tack. We talk about his journey from dancing, to drumming, to teaching, to percussion. About being a member of the band described as the Beatles of Africa, Gerald Pino and The Heartbeats. We talk about his close friendship with icon and disruptor musician Fela Kuti, also the reason he started learning karate. How he went from Sierra Leone to Liberia, to Ivory Coast, to Ghana, to Nigeria, ending up in New York and the wildness of that period. We talk about playing with Paul Simon and the huge record that was Graceland. And his close professional and personal relationship with Hugh Masekela. This was a joyous interview (what was meant to be an hour long conversation, was closer to 2!) So it's divided into 2 parts. Guest: Francis Fuster Title: You gotta be ready Music: Bach, Handel, Miles Davis and John Coltrane Music links Geraldo Pino and the Heartbeats, Maria Lef for Waka Hugh Masekela, Don't go lose it baby Hugh Masekela, Bring Him Back Home (Nelson Mandela) Francis Fuster, Najesueh Other links Shango-Ja Martial Arts Academy Find out ways to support the Israel-Palestine project click here Podcast Website Podcast IG Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    52 min
  4. Rich Harless (Pt 1)

    05/13/2025

    Rich Harless (Pt 1)

    In this week's episode we’re talking tech, marketing, AI and the music industry with entrepreneur, Rich Harless. Rich Harless is a Berlin-based, US-born entrepreneur and the founder of Feather, a company pioneering AI-powered brand measurement for digital advertisers. Prior to launching Feather, Rich held leadership roles at leading music and media companies such as AOL, Shazam, and Digitalstage.io, where he collaborated with some of the world’s largest streaming platforms, record labels, and a diverse range of independent artists. With over two decades of experience across digital advertising, emerging technology, and the creative industries, Rich has worked at the intersection of AI, blockchain, and augmented reality, helping brands and media platforms navigate technological shifts. We talk about old vs. new music; the disconnect between art and business; about streaming platforms. The role of social media for independent artists, as Rich says it’s good for discovery but not for monetisation. And because this is a never before heard conversation from my archive and the tech space changes so rapidly, Rich very kindly came back on the pod to chat with me about what he’s up to now and the latest changes in the tech space. For example, the first time we spoke it was centred around web 3 and NFTs and now the focus has shifted to AI. I decided to keep it in, because Rich explains things so clearly it helps provide a kind of technological arc, so to speak, to understand where things are at now. So this is a 2-parter. Tune in next week Wednesday to hear the follow-up conversation we had just last month. Guest: Rich Harless Title: It’s like skywriting in a hurricane Music: Depeche Mode, David Bowie, Purple Disco Machine Links: Rich Harless on Linkedin Feather agency Ted Gioia - Is Old Music Killing New Music? Find out ways to support the Israel-Palestine project click here Podcast Website Podcast IG Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    59 min

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A podcast about the creative process - the how, the why. Most artists are inspired by more than just their own medium – so even though podcast host, Matshidiso is a musician, the Arts more broadly, politics, people – in short, life informs the music she makes. And why ‘Holding up the ladder?’ Because we’re all trying to get somewhere and Matshidiso believes we not only further the arts but each other if we ‘hold up the ladder’ rather than pull the ladder up from under us as we climb. Website: holdinguptheladder.com IG: @holdinguptheladder Twiiter: @hutl_ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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