Warfare of Art & Law Podcast

Stephanie Drawdy
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Warfare of Art and Law Podcast sparks conversation about the intriguing – and sometimes infuriating – stories that arise in the worlds of art and law with artist and attorney Stephanie Drawdy. 

  1. Hon. Simon Frankel & Prof. Stephen Urice on the 6th Edition of LEVA: Law, Ethics, and the Visual Arts

    Jun 28

    Hon. Simon Frankel & Prof. Stephen Urice on the 6th Edition of LEVA: Law, Ethics, and the Visual Arts

    Send us Fan Mail Please visit LEVA, 6th Edition's site to learn more.  Show Notes: 0:00 Prof. Stephen Urice describes Law, Ethics, and the Visual Arts  1:30 Urice's background  3:25 Hon. Simon Frankel's background 6:00 SU: evolution of Law, Ethics, and the Visual Arts (LEVA) 9:00 SF: changes in LEVA, 6th Ed. 11:40 SF: 6th Ed.’s accessibility and increased framing 12:25 SU: 6th Ed.’s shift in perspective to a more centrist presentation 14:00 SF: 6th Ed.’s usefulness for a broad audience 15:20 SU: examples of stories in 6th Ed, e.g., Naruto v. Slater, (9th Cir. 2018)  16:00 SU: Brancusi v. US, 54 Treas. Dec. 428 (U.S. Customs Court 1928)   17:25 SF: variety of materials in LEVA, e.g., articles, statutes, transcripts, novels 18:20 SF: Examples of cases about the authenticity of works and the disconnect between legal judgments and art world valuations: Greenberg Gallery v. Bauman, 817 F. Supp. 167 (D.D.C. 1993), aff’d without opinion, 36 F.3d 127 (D.C. Cir. 1994) (Calder sculpture held to be authentic by the trial judge versus expert Klaus Perls’ rejection of the work)  20:30 SF: Herstand & Co. v. Gallery Gertrude Stein Inc., 211 A.D.2d 77 (N.Y. App. Div. 1995) (remand on authenticity of Balthus drawing despite Balthus' repudiation of the work)  22:40 SU: colorful settings and range of legal issues arising in art-related cases 24:45 ethical issues arising in art-related disputes, e.g., restitution claims 26:35 SF: Museum Studies Scholar Marie Malaro, the law makes us only bearable, not honorable. 27:00 Holocaust Expropriated Art Recovery Act of 2016; HEAR Act of 2025  31:50 LEVA website and its future resources 34:10 SU: AI-generated discussions about issues in LEVA, 6th Ed. 36:00 SU: 6th Ed. updates  37:05 SF: generative AI issues in pending suits 40:00 LEVA, 7th Ed. 41:30 Feedback from readers of 6th Ed. 42:15 Tax issues covered in 6th Ed. 45:50 SF: definition of justice 47:50 SU: ethical concerns in defining justice to aim for honor  50:00 SF: mark he hopes to be making  50:55 SU: mark he hopes to be making with LEVA Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com Music by Toulme. To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com.  Thanks so much for listening! This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission. © Stephanie Drawdy [2026]

    53 min
  2. Art Lawyer Patrick McGranaghan on AI, Copyright and the Collision of Culture and Infrastructure

    Jun 14

    Art Lawyer Patrick McGranaghan on AI, Copyright and the Collision of Culture and Infrastructure

    Send us Fan Mail Show Notes: 1:35 Patrick McGranaghan’s background  2:45 McGranaghan’s work with Pierre Valentin 3:05 focus on collision of culture and infrastructure 4:45 “evidential fog” around AI in the arts 6:00 abstract nature of these AI issues  7:00 his writing on these issues to navigate these issues 8:30 EU’s AI framework “recognizes the structural nature of the problem” – can’t be minor updates to old copyright debates, “AI creates problems of scale, opacity and jurisdictional arbitrage that traditional legal categories do not solve very elegantly.”  10:00 incentive for jurisdiction shopping 11:40 Getty v. Stability AI in the UK  14:05 EU AI Act’s extraterritorial obligations  15:00 EU AI Act, Article 53: general purpose models brought into EU must comply with EU copyright law, including opt out reservations; and detailed summary of training data 17:55 UK’s approach is more exposed to loopholes 19:25 opt in versus opt out systems 21:35 Kadrey v. Meta  22:55 the burden placed on creators by the opt out system  25:45 sporadic licensing deals and unclear remuneration standard 27:30 interoperability  28:40 impact of robots.txt 31:15 Alan Robertshaw re: impact of AI on the practice of law 34:50 AI defamation cases 36:20 McGranaghan - need for lawyers regardless of AI 37:25 Robertshaw - legal professions’ varied approaches to AI 38:55 AI and astronomy 40:30 moral conflict with not compensating artists 43:00 justices/injustices related to AI 46:45 market harm created by AI 49:25 definition of justice  53:05 protections that artists can use, e.g., robots.txt, metadata, units based protection, Glaze and Nightshade  58:00 mark Patrick hopes to make around AI and art   Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com Music by Toulme. To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com.  Thanks so much for listening! This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission. © Stephanie Drawdy [2026]

    1h 1m
  3. Artists' Rights at Risk: From State Sovereign Immunity to Generative AI

    May 25

    Artists' Rights at Risk: From State Sovereign Immunity to Generative AI

    Send us Fan Mail Cover photo of Rick Allen - copyright Cindy Burnham, Lucky Shot Productions  Show Note:  0:00 Nautilus Productions' Co-Founder Rick Allen gives the history of Allen v. McCrory - suit against NC over Allen's footage of the Queen Anne's Revenge Shipwreck  1:20 SCOTUS’ 9-0 decision in Allen v. Cooper that the Copyright Remedy Clarification Act of 1990 (CRCA) was unconstitutional  2:00 NC’s technical arguments against Allen’s claims  2:55 court's use of pendant jurisdiction to wipe out 5 years of Allen’s case 3:45 petition for rehearing en banc denied  6:45 states’ use of sovereign immunity against creators 8:50 Jeff Sedlik’s suit over use of his photo of Miles Davis as a tattoo   9:30 Michael J. Bynum’s suit over Texas A&M University’s unauthorized use of Bynum’s 12th Man book (complaint here; dismissal of copyright infringement claims against A&M employee discussed here) 11:00 Allen’s recommendations to artists to protect their work online 13:35 Emily Gould’s discussion of LAION case  17:00 Bartz v. Anthropic - 23 June 2025 Order on Fair Use in N.D. Cal. 19:50 Allen on opt out policy 20:20 Visual Artists Copyright Reform Act (VACRA) 21:00 Gould on survey by DACS (the Design and Artist’s Copyright Society)  23:00 response to UK government’s consultations  24:00 UK House of Lord’s hearings 24:30 Allen on artists not understanding impact of generative AI 26:00 Gould on UK judgment from trial in Getty v. Stability  28:50 Gould on judgment in GEMA v. Open AI 31:55 Lauren Stein on ChatGPT and law school's encouragement to use AI  33:00 Getty v. Stability in UK – Getty’s drop of direct infringement claim and appeal of ruling on secondary infringement claim 35:50 UK’s Section 9(3) - copyright protection for original work created by a machine 39:20 Stein on copyrightability and Japan’s approach to sufficient human authorship 41:40 Gould on Beijing Internet Court's judgment in Li v. Liu 42:05 Allen’s position on AI 44:00 Gould on authenticity and human contribution 47:35 Ed Newton-Rex  Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com Music by Toulme. To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com.  Thanks so much for listening! This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission. © Stephanie Drawdy [2026]

    50 min
  4. Multidisciplinary Artist Zoë Buckman on Agency, Jewish Personhood & Multiple Truths

    May 3

    Multidisciplinary Artist Zoë Buckman on Agency, Jewish Personhood & Multiple Truths

    Send us Fan Mail Photo of Zoë Buckman by Abbey Drucker show notes: 1:10 background as a multi-media visual artist 7:00 Buckman’s dialogue with agency 9:25 her use of embroidery 10:40 filmmaking 11:00 Show Me Your Bruises, Then 14:25 exhibition at the Perez Museum  18:50 power of art 22:00 Artist Tracey Ehmann   23:45 exploration of personal issues in her work  26:15 her work on Jewish personhood  34:30 erasure and gaslighting of Jewish artists 37:00 show at Mindy Solomon Gallery  41:00 Jewish people’s complicated relationship with the home 42:45 her definition of justice / injustice  45:40 how her work addresses her view of justice / injustice 49:30 use of vintage textiles 51:45 coffee table book 52:45 2027 NY show 53:30 collaboration with Actress Cush Jumbo 54:50 the legacy Buckman hopes to make with her work 56:15 multiple truths she addresses in her work Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com Music by Toulme. To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com.  Thanks so much for listening! This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission. © Stephanie Drawdy [2026]

    1 hr
  5. TEDx Speaker Ronnie Stephens on His Legacy Journey as a Member of the Quapaw and Cherokee Tribes, the Impact of NAGPRA, How Best to Preserve and Celebrate Native American Culture & the Importance of Storytelling

    Apr 19

    TEDx Speaker Ronnie Stephens on His Legacy Journey as a Member of the Quapaw and Cherokee Tribes, the Impact of NAGPRA, How Best to Preserve and Celebrate Native American Culture & the Importance of Storytelling

    Send us Fan Mail To learn more, please visit Ronnie Stephens' site and view his TEDx Talk 1:50 background of Ronnie’s “legacy journey” as a member of the Quapaw and Cherokee Tribes 3:30 1897 allotment of 240 acres to Stephens' great-grandfather 4:30 Quapaw Tribe’s relocation from Arkansas to Oklahoma  6:30 McGirt v. Oklahoma, 140 S. Ct. 2452 (2020) 9:00 issues identified by Tribal Leaders 10:50 Dawes Commission and Burke Act 17:00 management of allotted land 19:25 Emily Gould – question about allotted land  24:45 Keeping Traditions Alive exhibition 26:20 Killers of the Flower Moon rewritten with input from Osage Nation 27:55 Echo film involved input from Choctaw Nation 30:00 Alan Robertshaw–Prey-film with Native American heroine 31:55 Dark Winds series 33:30 policy shifts needed  38:30 NAGPRA and its amendments 43:45 education needed for cultural sensitivity  46:00 BBC Documentary: Rich Hall’s Inventing the Indian 49:20 Lauren Gowler–question about historic US federal laws 55:00 definition of justice    Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com Music by Toulme. To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com.  Thanks so much for listening! This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission. © Stephanie Drawdy [2026]

    1h 4m
  6. Aurelian Lawyers & Advisers' Director & Founder Alana Kushnir on Antisemitism in the Arts, Education on the Depth of Jewish Culture and History, and the Moral Component of Justice

    Mar 28

    Aurelian Lawyers & Advisers' Director & Founder Alana Kushnir on Antisemitism in the Arts, Education on the Depth of Jewish Culture and History, and the Moral Component of Justice

    Send us Fan Mail Photographer credit: Simon Strong Here is more information about Alana Kushnir and Aurelian Lawyers & Advisers. Show Notes: 1:45 update since Alana’s 2021 interview at Ep. 43 3:45 rebranding to Aurelian Lawyers & Advisers 5:00 LinkedIn posts by Alana and Guest Work Agency 8:00 antisemitism in the arts   13:00 resignation from Australian Centre for Contemporary Art’s Board 13:35 Australian news article led to her public cancellation  15:55 Serpentine Gallery's removal of her after 5 years as the lead on its research programme, The Legal Lab 20:00 steps forward to address hypocrisy in the arts sector 20:55 service on Jewish Museum of Australia’s board 21:40 her curation of Chutzpah: Spirit. Recollection. Self. 23:20 Georgian Artist Nina Sanadze's “Call to Peace” Series 27:40 Sanadze’s use of flowers from Bondi Massacre in future sculpture 30:30 Israeli-German Artist Elinor Sahm’s "Ha'layla" 31:30 Simm’s family archive used to show a Jerusalemite-Sepheradic “Hafla” (traditional celebration and gathering) 33:35 Alana's aim to bring back the depth of Jewish culture and history 37:25 Alana’s dream project to highlight the Jewish community's contribution to Australia's culture, especially Jewish women 39:30 education to bring together Jewish and non-Jewish communities 42:50 current relevance of the Holocaust 45:00 Jewish community from former USSR at the Bondi massacre 46:50 moral courage as a form of justice 48:00 legacy to create culture not fear, to emphasize integrity and loyalty  49:15 her work with Arts Patron and Hospitality Icon Rinaldo Di Stasio  50:05  Di Stasio’s commission of Artist Sean Gladwell for a moving image work in flagship restaurant, Di Stasio Città  Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com Music by Toulme. To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com.  Thanks so much for listening! This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission. © Stephanie Drawdy [2026]

    54 min
  7. Iranian-Italian Actor Isabella Nefar on Resilience, Censorship and the Power of Storytelling

    Feb 22

    Iranian-Italian Actor Isabella Nefar on Resilience, Censorship and the Power of Storytelling

    Send us Fan Mail Show notes: 1:30 background 3:30 My English Persian Kitchen 5:15 Sheherazade, narrator of One Thousand and One Nights 5:45 My English Persian Kitchen author Atoosa Sepehr’s efforts to address misconceptions about Iranians  7:30 Reading Lolita in Tehran 9:45 choice of roles that challenge the stereotype about Iranians 10:10 Apple TV series Tehran 12:00 defenders of human rights 14:25 response to Iran’s formal and psychological censorship of creative community 16:45 Artist Soheila Sokhanvari 18:30 Women Life Freedom movement 21:00 global response to human rights’ violations in Iran 23:00 the meaning of justice in terms of accountability  24:20 future projects 27:25 legacy / mark of her work  28:55 creative process and connection with other creatives Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com Music by Toulme. To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com.  Thanks so much for listening! This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission. © Stephanie Drawdy [2026]

    32 min
  8. Multidisciplinary Artist Bayeté Ross Smith on Art, Technology and Restorative Justice

    Feb 1

    Multidisciplinary Artist Bayeté Ross Smith on Art, Technology and Restorative Justice

    Send us Fan Mail multidisciplinary artist/visual journalist/filmmaker/education worker Bayeté Ross Smith Show Notes: 2:00 Bayeté Ross Smith’s background, work and collaboration 7:00 relevance of colonialism in transnational issues  9:50 collective brain trust/collective culture 14:30 employing technology with storytelling 20:30 creatives’ protection of their metadata 24:40 “art” and “data” as information  27:50 “human authorship” and copyright  34:25 bias proliferation with AI 39:40 power of art and media to raise awareness  44:50 “restorative justice” to mitigate and deter harm so individuals can flourish 54:00 current and future projects, including Got the Power Boomboxes: Sugar Cane and Cotton, Hip Hop 50 Boombox, video game project and collaboration with legal community Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com Music by Toulme. To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com.  Thanks so much for listening! This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission. © Stephanie Drawdy [2026]

    1h 1m
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Warfare of Art and Law Podcast sparks conversation about the intriguing – and sometimes infuriating – stories that arise in the worlds of art and law with artist and attorney Stephanie Drawdy. 

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    Stephanie Drawdy
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    2020 - 2026
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