Investor Mama

Jen Narciso

Welcome to The Investor Mama Podcast- money conversations with a mom’s touch. Your host Jen Narciso, interviews amazing guests each week to help educate, inspire, and motivate you on your own wealth-building journey. These episodes are geared towards moms. who want to learn ways to make, keep, and save money to create more time and financial freedom. Moms are those who have kids, struggling to have kids, have angel babies, are moms of other kids, and “moms” who choose not to have their own kids but may have little eyes watching them. Please subscribe to Investor Mama on the platform you are listening to and share with others who would benefit from these easy to listen to conversations.

  1. 4D AGO

    195 | Overwhelmed Mom to Organized Life: Kim Rogne's Proven Systems to Ditch Chaos and Build Wealth

    Connect with the Investor Mama Tribe Kim Rogne is a Certified High Performance Coach, Keynote Speaker, and the bestselling author of For The Love of Self – How to Change Your Mindset in Just 5 Minutes a Day. With over 25 years in the real estate industry, including 10 years in leadership management, Kim gained the expertise needed to launch her personal and professional development company, For The Love Of. She empowers working moms and small business owners to create balance, achieve more, and discover their own ‘For The Love Of.’ Kim is known for her unique approach to personal growth and productivity, bringing clarity and actionable steps to those feeling overwhelmed by life’s demands. Her passion lies in helping others unlock their mindset superpower through her signature PRP Model (Potential = Reality = Perception), offering practical strategies that work both at home and in the workplace. As a self-proclaimed ‘mini-library’ of knowledge, Kim shares insights from books, podcasts, and her journey as a mom of two and her 27-year marriage. After a traumatic skiing accident left her wheelchair-bound, Kim took time off for the first time in 25 years. During this forced slow-down, she decided to stop dreaming and start doing, launching her business at age 50. Her company’s vision is to inspire, empower, and promote action so everyone can live their best ‘For The Love Of’ life—allowing each person to fill in the blank with what matters most to them.   Key Takeaways: 1. CEO Your Home — Stop Doing It All Yourself Treat your home like a business. Assign age-appropriate responsibilities to your kids (laundry, packing lunches, managing their schedule). Your worth is NOT in doing everything. Delegate just like you would at work — and don’t apologize for it. Start today: Pick one task you do daily and hand it off to your child or partner. 2. Create a Family Email + Shared Google Calendar Set up a dedicated family email that everyone has access to. All school newsletters, activity sign-ups, and events go there — not your personal inbox. As soon as kids are old enough, they update the family calendar themselves. Start today: Create a free Gmail family account and forward all school/activity emails there. 3. Use the “48-Hour Cart Rule” for Purchases Before buying anything over a set family threshold (Kim uses $50), it must sit in the cart for 48 hours. This one habit fights impulse spending and teaches kids delayed gratification — in your personal life AND your business. Start today: Set your family’s dollar threshold and make it a household rule. 4. Ask “What’s the ONE Thing?” to Beat Overwhelm When you feel buried, stop and ask: “What is the ONE thing I can do right now that will make everything else easier or unnecessary?” It might be making your bed, clearing the kitchen, or getting up 15 minutes early. Small wins protect your mental energy. Start today: Identify your one “sacred space” that, when tidy, gives you calm — and protect it. 5. Do 5-Minute Daily Journaling with These 6 Prompts Kim’s PRP journaling method (used to build a six-figure business in 12 months): Today I will release… Today I take in gratitude for… My core focus today is… Today I GET to… (opportunity, not obligation) I am… (affirmation or future manifestation) I will… (one action you’ll take) Start today: Grab any notebook and spend 5 minutes each morning on these 6 prompts. Download Kim’s free version at floself.com (or floworkingmoms.com for the working mom edition).   Additional Resources and Help Support the Show Check out the Intern Strategy Course created by Christina from Smart Influencer Learn How to Make Extra Money with a Side Hustle or Get a High Paying Salary with Time Flexibility Episode #30:The #1 Side Hustle for the On the Go Busy Mom with Mike Yanda and Bobby Hoyt Episode #52: Millionaire by 31 and How to Start An ETSY Side Hustle Business with Julie Berninger from Gold City Ventures Check out Julia’s Sidehustle course to get started today The Legacy Binder to help you organize all of your estate documents and plans in case of an emergency Show Me How To Fix My Pelvic Floor from Tighten Your Tinkler Use Coupon Code: INVESTORMAMA to save $50 off this signature program High-income earner, needing an amazing accountant? Check out the TaxGoddess Connect with Kim Kim Rogne For The Love of Self: Change Your Mindset in Just 5 Minutes a Day LinkedIn Facebook Instagram

    27 min
  2. MAY 7

    194 | Why Moms Stress About Money (Even When They Have It) — With Financial Expert and Author of "The Emotional Side of Money: A Roadmap to Financial Wellness", Tari K. Vickery

    Connect with the Investor Mama Tribe With over 25 years of experience managing the full spectrum of her clients’ financial lives – everything from accounting and bill payment to coordinating with wealth managers, estate attorneys, and insurance agents – Tari K. Vickery brings an unmatched, real-world perspective to the emotional side of money. Her sociology degree from Stanford and lived experience through dramatic personal financial shifts give her a rare blend of academic insight and deep empathy. Her authenticity and hands-on expertise resonate with readers across generations, making her voice both trustworthy and transformational.   Key Takeaways: Your money story starts in childhood — and it’s not your fault. Most money struggles are rooted in what we watched, heard, and felt as kids. Recognizing those patterns is the first step to breaking them. “We can’t afford it” can do more harm than good. Teaching kids the value behind financial choices (“we choose to spend our money differently”) builds healthier money mindsets than using scarcity language. Even wealthy people stress about money — and here’s why. Unexamined money triggers don’t disappear when the bank balance grows. Awareness of why money triggers you is what creates real peace. Avoidance is the enemy of financial freedom. Whether it’s unopened mail or unfiled taxes, avoidance creates a vicious cycle. The antidote? Start small, track your spending, and build on tiny wins. Start money conversations early — and make them normal. Talking to kids about money casually (at the grocery store, toy store, or dinner table) is far more powerful than one big, scary “money talk.” Have the hard conversations with aging parents and your partner. Not knowing where your parents stand financially — or being misaligned with your spouse on money values — creates silent stress that compounds over time. Compassion is the gateway to change. When you start examining your money wounds, be gentle with yourself and your parents. No one intentionally passed down financial trauma.   Additional Resources and Help Support the Show Check out the Intern Strategy Course created by Christina from Smart Influencer Learn How to Make Extra Money with a Side Hustle or Get a High Paying Salary with Time Flexibility Episode #30:The #1 Side Hustle for the On the Go Busy Mom with Mike Yanda and Bobby Hoyt Episode #52: Millionaire by 31 and How to Start An ETSY Side Hustle Business with Julie Berninger from Gold City Ventures Check out Julia’s Sidehustle course to get started today The Legacy Binder to help you organize all of your estate documents and plans in case of an emergency Show Me How To Fix My Pelvic Floor from Tighten Your Tinkler Use Coupon Code: INVESTORMAMA to save $50 off this signature program High-income earner, needing an amazing accountant? Check out the TaxGoddess Connect with Tari The Emotional Side of Money: A Roadmap to Finanical Wellness Tarikvickeryauthor.com Instagram Facebook LinkedIn

    39 min
  3. APR 23

    193 | Episode #193: From $120K in Debt to Multimillionaire: One Mom's Faith-Fueled Path to Financial Freedom | Janine Mix, Author, Speaker, Investor, and Podcaster

    Connect with the Investor Mama Tribe Janine Mix is a Christian entrepreneur, author, speaker, and investor who turned her financial life around from being $120,000 in debt to becoming a multimillionaire. After years of frustration with conventional financial advice focused on strict budgeting and cutting expenses, Janine finally experienced a breakthrough by unlearning these limiting approaches and transforming her relationship with money. This pivotal shift empowered her to take bold, strategic actions that led to complete financial freedom by age 33. Janine believes that more wealth in the hands of women can change the world and is passionate about helping women get out of their own way and break financial barriers and build generational wealth. Janine hosts the Permission to Prosper podcast, where she shares insights on financial empowerment and wealth-building strategies. Her  best-selling book, Buy The Damn Coffee, is a call to break free from cycles of blame, shame, and restrictive money habits, empowering readers to embrace a mindset that fosters confidence, growth, and impact for their families and communities.   Key Takeaways: 1. Heal Your Money Story Before You Build Wealth Your relationship with money — what you heard, learned, and experienced growing up — is what’s actually blocking you. Until you identify and rewrite those beliefs, no strategy will stick. Janine’s “MIX Shift Framework”: find the message, ask if it’s true, cross it out, and replace it with a new one. 2. There’s No One-Size-Fits-All Real Estate Strategy — Start with Your Goal Airbnb, flipping, house hacking, single-family rentals — they all work. The key is knowing why you’re investing and what you want your life to look like. You only need 3–5 semi-free-and-clear properties to retire. Pick one strategy, start, and give yourself permission to pivot. 3. Not All Debt Is Bad — Learn to Use Leverage Consumer debt takes your money; leveraged debt makes you money. Real estate’s real power isn’t just cash flow — it’s depreciation, tax benefits, equity lines of credit, and using other people’s money (OPM) to grow. Net worth on paper means nothing; cash flow is what matters. 4. Focus on Income, Not the $5 Latte Cutting small expenses won’t change your life — growing your income will. “Buy the Damn Coffee” is a movement away from guilt and scarcity thinking. Temporary sacrifice is okay to course-correct, but the real wealth shift happens when you move from restricting to building. More money in the hands of women changes the world.   Additional Resources and Help Support the Show Check out the Intern Strategy Course created by Christina from Smart Influencer Learn How to Make Extra Money with a Side Hustle or Get a High Paying Salary with Time Flexibility Episode #30:The #1 Side Hustle for the On the Go Busy Mom with Mike Yanda and Bobby Hoyt Episode #52: Millionaire by 31 and How to Start An ETSY Side Hustle Business with Julie Berninger from Gold City Ventures Check out Julia’s Sidehustle course to get started today The Legacy Binder to help you organize all of your estate documents and plans in case of an emergency Show Me How To Fix My Pelvic Floor from Tighten Your Tinkler Use Coupon Code: INVESTORMAMA to save $50 off this signature program High-income earner, needing an amazing accountant? Check out the TaxGoddess Connect with Janine Janinemix.com Buy the Damn Cofee by Janine Mix Permission to Prosper Podcast Instagram Facebook

    49 min
  4. APR 2

    192 | Level Up: How This Mom Went from Business Owner to CEO and Lessons Learned from Buying a Business | Joy Owens, CEO of Butler Travel

    Connect with the Investor Mama Tribe Joy Owens loves outdoor activities, travel and staying home with her two little ones. She is also passionate about learning how to make money grow through real estate and business. Joy quit teaching to stay home with her children, and now owns and manages Butler Travel.   Additional Resources Check out the Intern Strategy Course created by Christina from Smart Influencer Learn How to Make Extra Money with a Side Hustle or Get a High Paying Salary with Time Flexibility Episode #30:The #1 Side Hustle for the On the Go Busy Mom with Mike Yanda and Bobby Hoyt Episode #52: Millionaire by 31 and How to Start An ETSY Side Hustle Business with Julie Berninger from Gold City Ventures Check out Julia’s Sidehustle course to get started today The Legacy Binder to help you organize all of your estate documents and plans in case of an emergency Show Me How To Fix My Pelvic Floor from Tighten Your Tinkler Use Coupon Code: INVESTORMAMA to save $50 off this signature program High-income earner, needing an amazing accountant? Check out the TaxGoddess Key Takeaways 1. Stop Shrinking Yourself — You’re Not “Just” Anything Joy spent her first year as a business owner doing the same work as her employees — answering emails, booking tickets, trying to stay “on the same level.” She didn’t start calling herself CEO until almost two years in. And when she finally did? Everything shifted — how she made decisions, how she carried herself, even how she talked about her company. Her 4- and 5-year-old kids now proudly tell people “we own Butler Travel.” If you’ve built something — a business, a side hustle, a career — stop introducing yourself with “I just…” You earned the full title. Use it. 2. Ask the Uncomfortable Question: “What Are We Getting Wrong?” Joy didn’t sit behind a desk and guess what her clients needed. She got on a plane, flew to California, sat down with her biggest client, and asked: What do you love? What’s not working? That takes guts. The answer? Their after-hours support was terrible — clients were stuck on hold for two hours during emergencies in foreign countries. So Joy built her own 24/7 emergency team. That decision literally saved an 8-year-old girl’s life when a missionary family in Tanzania needed an emergency flight home. Most of us avoid asking “what’s broken?” because we’re afraid of the answer. But that one uncomfortable conversation became the thing that set her business apart. Whether you run a company or manage a household budget — ask the hard questions. The answers are where the growth is. 3. You Will Outgrow Your Circle — And That’s Okay Joy joined a community of mom entrepreneurs early on. It felt great at first — supportive, relatable, everyone figuring it out together. But after a few months, she realized the conversations were about things she’d already figured out — setting up a website, getting on Instagram. She wasn’t growing anymore. So she made a scary (and expensive) leap into a room where people were scaling to $300 million. Suddenly she was the smallest fish — and that’s exactly where she needed to be. Here’s the real talk: it can feel guilty to outgrow a group, especially one full of women you relate to. But staying in a room where you’re the most experienced person isn’t humility — it’s hiding. Joy’s advice? Whether it’s a podcast, a book, a coach, or a mastermind — put yourself in the room that stretches you, not the one that just comforts you. Connect with Joy   Butler Travel Instagram Facebook Episode #150: How this Mom Bought A Travel Business and Lessons Learned with Joy Owens from Butler Travel

    28 min
  5. MAR 19

    191 | Mom, You CAN Master Money — Even When Life Is Chaos | Carrie Friedberg, Certified Financial Behavior Specialist® and Author of At Peace With Money

    Connect with the Investor Mama Tribe   Since 2010, Carrie Friedberg, the SF Money Coach, has been teaching individuals, families and small business owners all over the world how to align their spending, saving and earning with their values. Carrie Friedberg was raised in Grosse Pointe, Michigan. She studied Buddhism at Trinity College in Connecticut before moving to San Francisco to attend the graduate school of education at the University of San Francisco. In addition to earning a multiple subject teaching credential and masters degree, Carrie became a certified yoga instructor and started practicing Vipassana meditation and Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction (MBSR). She is now a certified psychology-informed money coach and financial behavior specialist with an extensive background in education, mindfulness and personal development. She has been featured by the US News, Forbes, New York Post, MarketWatch and Oprah Magazine and many other media outlets. Carrie has consulted with Visa, Macy’s, SAP, Google, WeWork and Airbnb. She led financial wellness workshops at University of California, Berkeley, University of San Francisco and Santa Clara University. Carrie’s debut book At Peace with Money comes out on Jan. 20, 2026. She lives in Portola Valley, CA with her husband and two young children. Check out Carrie’s Personal Finance 101 Online Course and much more at sfmoneycoach.com. Key Takeaways: Your childhood money story shapes your adult financial behavior. Growing up watching parents fight about money can create deep shame, anxiety, and avoidance around finances. Emotional healing comes before budgeting. Addressing the psychological and spiritual side of money is the foundation — you can’t stick to a budget if you haven’t dealt with the feelings underneath. Anyone who can do 5th-grade math can master personal finance. You don’t need to be an expert — just addition and subtraction (and a calculator). The 3 levels of financial wellness: Tracking (know where your money goes) → Planning & Budgeting (based on real numbers) → Lifelong Financial Literacy (keep learning and growing). “When you take care of your money, your money takes care of you.” Staying consciously connected to your finances — logging in, reviewing transactions regularly — creates a ripple effect of confidence and better decisions. It’s okay to outsource. Busy families can hire a bookkeeper (starting around $30/hr) to handle tracking — it’s as essential as having a housekeeper. Self-care is a financial strategy. You can’t manage money well if you’re burned out. Even 5 minutes of daily relaxation supports better financial decision-making.   Additional Resources and Help Support the Show Check out the Intern Strategy Course created by Christina from Smart Influencer Learn How to Make Extra Money with a Side Hustle or Get a High Paying Salary with Time Flexibility Episode #30:The #1 Side Hustle for the On the Go Busy Mom with Mike Yanda and Bobby Hoyt Episode #52: Millionaire by 31 and How to Start An ETSY Side Hustle Business with Julie Berninger from Gold City Ventures Check out Julia’s Sidehustle course to get started today The Legacy Binder to help you organize all of your estate documents and plans in case of an emergency Show Me How To Fix My Pelvic Floor from Tighten Your Tinkler Use Coupon Code: INVESTORMAMA to save $50 off this signature program High-income earner, needing an amazing accountant? Check out the TaxGoddess Connect with Carrie SF Money Coach Order Carrie’s book At Peace with Money: A Holistic Roadmap to Financial Wellness LinkedIn Facebook Instagram

    44 min
  6. MAR 5

    Episode #190 | Wealth Building for Busy Moms: Franchise Business Opportunities Explained | Maja Taylor, Career Ownership Coach with The Entrepreneur’s Source

    Connect with the Investor Mama Tribe Maja Taylor is a Career Ownership Coach with The Entrepreneur’s Source where she helps people explore opportunities outside of the traditional job market such as business ownership. She is passionate about positive transformations and continuous learning. She enjoys watching people experience “AHA” moments and live up to their full potential. For over 15 years, Maja has partnered with individuals to go through career, life and leadership transformations successfully by working through those tough questions together. She is a certified professional coach with a background in talent development and science education. She has worked for global organizations in Europe and the United States as a team leader, scientist, strategic HR professional, trainer, coach and mentor. Her primary focus is for her clients to reach higher levels of success and happiness by helping them turn challenges into opportunities and obstacles into growth. While Maja was born, and raised in Germany, she now lives outside of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania with her husband Dan and their 2 cats. They have 3 grown sons. Maja considers herself a world citizen, loves to go on outdoor excursions and global travel adventures with her family and friends. She has a passion for serving the highest purpose, loves languages and exploring diverse cultures as well as curling up with a good book. Life motto: Learn something new every day and expanding. Trust your process! Key Takeaways: 1.You’re Not Stuck in Corporate—Franchising Offers a Proven Exit Path After 30+ years in corporate with 9 bosses in 5 years, Maya discovered franchising as a way to build her own equity instead of someone else’s dream. The education-first approach helps you explore whether business ownership aligns with your goals before committing, with no sales pressure. 2. Budget Conservatively—Plan for at Least One Year of Working Capital The #1 reason businesses fail is lack of funding. Maya strongly recommends having 12 months of working capital (both personal and business budgets covered) because the first year is a builder year—you’re creating awareness and relationships, not generating immediate cash flow. 3. Bring Your Spouse/Support System Along the Journey Don’t make this decision in isolation. People who haven’t gone through the discovery process will give “good advice” that derails you (“get a steady job!”). Having your partner understand the opportunity and support you emotionally through tough days is critical—entrepreneurship is a team sport, and you need people in your corner who believe in your vision.   Additional Resources and Help Support the Show Check out the Intern Strategy Course created by Christina from Smart Influencer Learn How to Make Extra Money with a Side Hustle or Get a High Paying Salary with Time Flexibility Episode #30:The #1 Side Hustle for the On the Go Busy Mom with Mike Yanda and Bobby Hoyt Episode #52: Millionaire by 31 and How to Start An ETSY Side Hustle Business with Julie Berninger from Gold City Ventures Check out Julia’s Sidehustle course to get started today The Legacy Binder to help you organize all of your estate documents and plans in case of an emergency Show Me How To Fix My Pelvic Floor from Tighten Your Tinkler Use Coupon Code: INVESTORMAMA to save $50 off this signature program High-income earner, needing an amazing accountant? Check out the TaxGoddess Connect with Maja Schedule a Call LinkedIn Facebook Instagram

    25 min
  7. FEB 13

    189 | How to Make Up For Lost Time if You Haven’t Started “Financial Adulting” | Lori Atwood, CFP® and Founder of Fearless Finance

    Connect with the Investor Mama Tribe Lori Atwood, CFP® is the founder of Fearless Finance, whose mission it is to bring money happiness to absolutely everyone. Lori founded Fearless Finance to provide fiduciary, hourly, virtual financial planning advice to people who felt expert financial advice was out of reach. No sales, no commissions, no minimums and no judgment. Lori started Atwood Financial Planning, LLC in 2016, and she has worked in finance for almost 25 years.he firm now operates under the brand Fearless Finance. Key Takeaways: The Five Steps to Financial Wellbeing: Spend less than you earn, maintain a rainy day fund ($2,000+), build 3-6 months emergency savings, save 15% for retirement, and manage or eliminate consumer debt—all rooted in that first critical step of living below your means. It’s Never Too Late to Start: If you’re in your 40s or 50s and behind on savings, focus on transparency and doing the math rather than avoiding the problem. Calculate your actual retirement needs, increase savings by cutting spending, and remember that financial prosperity isn’t about what you own—it’s about spending less than you earn. Plan for Aging Parents Early: Have honest conversations about your parents’ finances before crisis hits. Aging in place is typically the most affordable option, and families should explore all resources including Medicare, Medicaid, and shared family contributions rather than avoiding difficult discussions. Happiness is Your Best Financial Investment: Unhappiness leads to overspending as people try to “buy happiness.” Investing in what truly makes you content—whether that’s help with childcare, house cleaning, or leaving a toxic job—will save you money long-term by reducing emotional spending and improving decision-making.   Additional Resources and Help Support the Show Check out the Intern Strategy Course created by Christina from Smart Influencer Learn How to Make Extra Money with a Side Hustle or Get a High Paying Salary with Time Flexibility Episode #30:The #1 Side Hustle for the On the Go Busy Mom with Mike Yanda and Bobby Hoyt Episode #52: Millionaire by 31 and How to Start An ETSY Side Hustle Business with Julie Berninger from Gold City Ventures Check out Julia’s Sidehustle course to get started today The Legacy Binder to help you organize all of your estate documents and plans in case of an emergency Show Me How To Fix My Pelvic Floor from Tighten Your Tinkler Use Coupon Code: INVESTORMAMA to save $50 off this signature program High-income earner, needing an amazing accountant? Check out the TaxGoddess Connect with Lori Fearless Finance Use Promo Code Investor Mama to get  $50 off your first meeting. LinkedIn Instagram Facebook

    24 min
  8. JAN 22

    Episode #188: Stop Saying 'We Don't Talk About Money' - Financial Advisor and Mom, Abbe F. Large, Reveals How to Raise Money-Smart Kids

    Connect with the Investor Mama Tribe Abbe F. Large, CLU®, CLTC, is a Managing Director at Lenox Advisors, a national wealth management and insurance advisory firm and a subsidiary of NFP, an Aon company. With more than 30 years of experience, she specializes in comprehensive financial planning, estate strategies, asset management, and corporate benefits design. Shaped by personal experience, Abbe brings an empathetic, relationship-driven approach to her work. She is a passionate advocate for financial literacy, particularly for women and families, and has been recognized by Forbes as a Top Financial Security Professional from 2022–2025. Key Takeaways: The “RUAH” Method – The 3 non-negotiables that created her close-knit, financially savvy family (Respect, Understanding, Appreciation) The Vacation Budget Hack – Why she handed her teenagers the family vacation budget and how it changed everything Never Pay Kids for Grades – The psychology behind why this backfires (and what to do instead) The Allowance Formula – How to teach saving, investing, spending, AND giving (not tied to chores!) The Phone Rule That Actually Works – Her no-nonsense approach to technology that doesn’t make you the “mean mom” The Bill-Paying Ritual – Why she makes her kids watch her pay bills (genius!)   Additional Resources and Help Support the Show Check out the Intern Strategy Course created by Christina from Smart Influencer Learn How to Make Extra Money with a Side Hustle or Get a High Paying Salary with Time Flexibility Episode #30:The #1 Side Hustle for the On the Go Busy Mom with Mike Yanda and Bobby Hoyt Episode #52: Millionaire by 31 and How to Start An ETSY Side Hustle Business with Julie Berninger from Gold City Ventures Check out Julia’s Sidehustle course to get started today The Legacy Binder to help you organize all of your estate documents and plans in case of an emergency Show Me How To Fix My Pelvic Floor from Tighten Your Tinkler Use Coupon Code: INVESTORMAMA to save $50 off this signature program High-income earner, needing an amazing accountant? Check out the TaxGoddess Connect with Abbe https://www.lenoxadvisors.com/ LinkedIn Alarge@Lenox Advisors.com

    1 hr
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Welcome to The Investor Mama Podcast- money conversations with a mom’s touch. Your host Jen Narciso, interviews amazing guests each week to help educate, inspire, and motivate you on your own wealth-building journey. These episodes are geared towards moms. who want to learn ways to make, keep, and save money to create more time and financial freedom. Moms are those who have kids, struggling to have kids, have angel babies, are moms of other kids, and “moms” who choose not to have their own kids but may have little eyes watching them. Please subscribe to Investor Mama on the platform you are listening to and share with others who would benefit from these easy to listen to conversations.

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