Fund the People: A Podcast with Rusty Stahl

Fund the People
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The only show that helps YOU invest in the nonprofit workforce! Here you’ll get the ideas, tools, data, and stories you need in order raise or give money to support and develop nonprofit workers and leaders in your organization or your community. This unique podcast invites you into casual, provocative conversations with diverse leaders from foundations, nonprofits, academia, and capacity-building groups. We give you the big picture view, and we dig into specific issues, such as executive transitions, burnout, HR, fundraising for staff, how public policy impacts nonprofit workers, and more. Fund the People is the national organization that works to maximize investments in America's nonprofit workforce. It was founded in 2014 by Rusty Stahl with support from The Kresge Foundation, NYU Wagner, and Tides. We’ve launched the podcast in 2020, and have published over 100 episodes across 8 seasons. We launched a private version of the show on Patreon in 2025. It features community conversations, extended episodes, and a Patreon-only show where Rusty gives you the inside view while getting outside for a walk in New York’s Hudson Valley. Visit patreon.com/fundthepeople.

  1. The Federal Policy & Propaganda Landscape Facing the Nonprofit Workforce in 2026 - with host Rusty Stahl, Fund the People

    1D AGO

    The Federal Policy & Propaganda Landscape Facing the Nonprofit Workforce in 2026 - with host Rusty Stahl, Fund the People

    In this episode, you get a firsthand report from "Foundations on the Hill." Rusty discusses emerging federal threats and opportunities for our sector. From new legislation to executive action, he shares what’s at stake for the nonprofit workforce—and why we must engage now to shape the narrative. Download episode⁠ transcriptWatch episode Promo Video Links to Information Discussed: Challenges on the Horizon Reintroduction of H.R. 9495 (H.R. 6800 and S. 3554): Press Release: ⁠Cornyn, Sheehy Introduce Bill to Revoke Tax-Exempt Status of CAIR, Groups Bankrolling Terrorists⁠ (Senator John Cornyn) ⁠Official Text of H.R. 6800⁠ ⁠Official Text of S. 3554⁠ Press Release: ⁠Nonprofit Killer Bill Re-Introduced in the House and Senate⁠ (Charity and Security Network) SPONSOR Act (S. 3942): Press Release: Moran, Cruz Introduce Legislation to Deter Non-Profit Sponsorships of Left-Wing Radicals (Congressman Nathaniel Moran) Official Text of the Bill from congress.gov Executive Actions to Frame & Investigate Nonprofits as Terrorist Supporters: Investigating Nonprofits as Terrorist Supporting Organizations: National Security Presidential Memorandum (NSPM-7) (The White House)Attorney General Memo - “Implementing NSPM-7: Countering Domestic Terrorism and Organized Political Violence - (Office of the Attorney General)FBI and IRS to investigate nonprofit groups for domestic terrorism links, sources say (CBS News)FBI and IRS join forces under Bondi directive (MS Now)How NSPM-7 Seeks to Use "Domestic Terrorism" to Target Nonprofits and Activists (ACLU)Administration imposes ideological bounds on student debt forgiveness for public servants: Overview of Proposed Changes and Updates on PSLF program (National Council of Nonprofits)Finalized Changes and Litigation (National Council of Nonprofits)Education Department Imposes Controversial New Restrictions on Public Service Loan Forgiveness Program (American Association of Universities)Administration pursues ideological litmus test for federal grants: DOGE Takes Over Federal Grant Website (NonProfit Times)Proposed Changes to Federal Grant Portal Could Disrupt Nonprofits and Harm Communities Nationwide (National Council of Nonprofits)Guide to Submitting Public Comments on Changes to Federal Grants Certification (National Council of Nonprofits) Note: public comment period ended 3/30/26. 1,300 nonprofit groups joined the sign-on letter, and 22,000 submitted public comments! Apparently there will be further opportunities to offer public comment, so this info is worth reviewing! Positive Developments Philanthropy Caucus Launched in House of Representatives: Press Release from Congressman Blake Moore (DATE) Small Nonprofit Retirement Security Act (H.R. 4548 / S. 2365): Press Release: Buchanan Leads Bipartisan Effort to Help Small Nonprofits Offer Retirement Plans (07/21/25) Official Text of H.R. 4548 Official Text of S. 2365 Educating Policymakers About the Nonprofit Workforce: Five Surprising Facts About the Nonprofit Workforce (FTP hand-out for Congress) NEW: Johnson Amendment Upheld: Since recording this episode, news arrived that a court has upheld the Johnson Amendment, maintaining nonprofit separation from political campaigns and donations Organizations Mentioned in the Episode: Council on Foundations Foundations on the Hill 2026 Fund the People Independent Sector National Council of Nonprofits Philanthropy Roundtable United Philanthropy Forum Additional Links: Council on Foundations Foundations on the Hill 2026 Fund the People Independent Sector National Council of Nonprofits Philanthropy Roundtable United Philanthropy Forum Related Episodes: Peaceful Terrorists and Violent Activists (S9:E1, January 2026) The Trump War on Charity (S8:E1, September 2025) Mr. Stahl Goes to Washington (S7:E13, March 2025) Nonprofits Made America (S7:E11, February 2025) Related Playlists: Defend Nonprofits, Defend Democracy Series PlaylistHost-Only Episodes PlaylistRusty’s Rants and Reflections Playlist

    37 min
  2. S.O.S. Funding: All Hands on Deck for a Nonprofit Workforce in Crisis - Kim Almeida, Maria Cabildo, Annie Chang, Janelle Miller, & Rusty Stahl

    MAR 25

    S.O.S. Funding: All Hands on Deck for a Nonprofit Workforce in Crisis - Kim Almeida, Maria Cabildo, Annie Chang, Janelle Miller, & Rusty Stahl

    In this episode, you’ll get a bold, provocative new idea for investing in the nonprofit workforce—and why it may be essential to the sector’s survival. We all know that restricted project support doesn't empower nonprofits to invest in their staff. But, we argue, general operating support isn't up to this task either. Staff Operating Support (SOS) offers a new way that funders and fundraisers can strategically, responsively move money to support the workforce of grantee organizations. We introduced the idea of Staff Operating Support during Season 8 (see link to the episode below) . Today's conversation, drawn from a webinar on March 12, 2026, builds on the previous one as Rusty Stahl presents updated thinking, including the 7 key traits of S.O.S. funding. This episode also features a silo-busting panel and audience of funders, nonprofit leaders, and intermediaries, sharing enthusiasm, critiques, questions, and additional ideas about S.O.S. funding. Host Rusty Stahl is joined by Co-Host Annie Chang (Nonprofit Finance Fund). Rusty defines Staff Operating Support, and shares seven key traits of the concept. Annie and a panel of nonprofit of respondents unpack the ‘compounding crises’ in the nonprofit sector’s workforce —and explore what it will take to proactively address it. Alongside Annie, the panelists are Janelle Moravek Miller (Youth and Family Counseling), Maria Cabildo, The Durfee Foundation, and Kim Almeida (Levi Strauss Foundation). From new research data to real-world results, this episode makes the case that funding staff isn’t overhead—it’s mission-critical. S.O.S. Funding Concept Info Hub - Fund the PeopleHow to Support Nonprofit Worker Well-Being - Nonprofit Finance Fund Financial Insecurity in the Nonprofit Workforce - Independent Sector and United Way (wiht link to "ALICE" in the Nonprofit Workforce report)Durfee Foundation's Sabbatical Program - The Durfee FoundationWell-Being and Equity as a Business Imperative research report - Levi Strauss Foundation and Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health Introducing Staff Operating Support (S.O.S.) Grants Concept⁠ with host Rusty Stahl, Fund the PeopleChasm Grows between Funder and Nonprofit Perceptions of Crisis - with Elisha Smith Arrillaga, Center for Effective PhilanthropyDonors Invest in Health Nonprofit’s Staff -- with Dramatic Program Results - with Janelle Miller Moravek, Youth and Family CounselingFunding Nonprofit People & Possibility: Inside the Durfee Foundation - with Maria Cabildo, The Durfee Foundation

    1h 4m
  3. Out of Control: Fixing Funding that Starves Social Sector Staff - with Glen Galaich, Stupski Foundation and Break Fake Rules Podcast

    MAR 18

    Out of Control: Fixing Funding that Starves Social Sector Staff - with Glen Galaich, Stupski Foundation and Break Fake Rules Podcast

    Why do private foundations give away so little of their wealth each year—and how does that affect nonprofits and the people who work in them? Especially as the Trump Administration's War on Charity continues to rage? Rusty Stahl talks with Glen Galaich, author of the new book ⁠Control: Why Big Giving Falls Short⁠, about philanthropy’s culture of control, the limits of the 5% payout model, and what foundations could do differently to support nonprofit organizations and their workforce. Download the transcript of this episode in .PDF format Guest Bio: Glen Galaich is author of the new book, Control: Why Big Giving Falls Short. He is CEO of the Stupki Foundation, a private spend-down foundation based in the Bay Area. Glen hosts (or co-hosts, depending on the day) the Break Fake Rules Podcast. Click here to learn more about Glen.Links to Resources: Stupski FoundationControl: Why Big Giving Falls ShortBreak Fake Rules PodcastRusty’s appearance on Break Fake Rules Podcast (March 4, 2026)Dimple Abichandani’s appearance on the FTP PodcastDimple Abichandani’s book, A New Era of PhilanthropyVu Le’s book, Reimagining Nonprofits and PhilanthropyVu Le’s appear on the FTP PodcastMarguerite Casey FoundationCarmen Rojas appearance on Break Fake Rules PodcastFund the PeopleRelated Episodes: FTP Podcast Spotify Playlist on the Overhead Myth (Note: a free Spotify account is required to listen)How Funders Can Support Nonprofit Workers in the Age of Burnout - with Jamie Allison, Walter and Elise Haas FundEmbracing Nonprofit Abundance - with Nell Edgington, Author and Consultant

    36 min
  4. What Nonprofits Can Learn from Real-Time Labor Market Data - with Cary Sparrow, WageScape

    MAR 15

    What Nonprofits Can Learn from Real-Time Labor Market Data - with Cary Sparrow, WageScape

    In this episode, you'll hear what nonprofits can learn from broader labor market trends—and how organizations can compete for talent in an era of increasing transparency. And you'll get a provocative perspective on how employers have been assessing the "market rate" for salaries, and how we should be thinking differently. Fund the People's Rusty Stahl speaks with Cary Sparrow, founder of WageScape, about how real-time labor market data is reshaping hiring, pay transparency, and workforce strategy. Download the transcript of this episode in .PDF format Guest Bio: Cary Sparrow is the Founder and CEO of WageScape, which provides employers with unique labor market and real-time compensation data. Cary is a former US Navy submarine officer, having served on several nuclear submarines. He is a former global vice president at Cargill, Inc.  Sparrow has 35 years combined experience in engineering, military, consulting, and operations leadership in achieving organizational growth in HR, IT, engineering, and technology. Links to Resources Discussed: Cary Sparrow on LinkedIn Wage Scape on LinkedIn WageScape website Rusty Stahl on LinkedIn Fund the People on LinkedIn Linkedin.com website LinkedIn’s “Economic Graph” - Workforce Data and Research U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics website Related Episodes from Fund the People: Nonprofit H.R. Nuts and Bolts - a Spotify Playlist of select FTP Podcast episodes (free Spotify account needed)Making the Nonprofit Workforce Visible - with Alan Abramson and Chelsea Newhouse, George Mason UniversityStarting a Revolution in Nonprofit Hiring - with Alfonso Wenker and Trina Olson, Team Dynamics

    25 min
  5. Chasm Grows between Funder and Nonprofit Perceptions of Crisis - with Elisha Smith Arrillaga, Center for Effective Philanthropy

    MAR 4

    Chasm Grows between Funder and Nonprofit Perceptions of Crisis - with Elisha Smith Arrillaga, Center for Effective Philanthropy

    In this episode, you’ll get a clear-eyed look at the newest national data on nonprofit stability—and what it means for your organization, your funding strategy, your workforce or your grantees’ workforce. While you're here, we invite you to register for Fund the People’s next webinar and live podcast recording on March 12, 2026⁠. We'll explore Staff Operating Support (SOS), a new kind of funding to support the nonprofit workforce through this new kind of crisis. We'll define SOS funding, and get insights and critiques from a panel of nonprofits and funders.(⁠https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/cqkGKIweTlmlelqYgpRIeQ#/registration⁠) Today's episode is the latest installment in our Defend Nonprofits, Defend Democracy Series, and the 1st-ever 'live recording' of Fund the People Podcast! Drawing on brand-new research from the Center for Effective Philanthropy (CEP), this episode shares data on the painful impact of the Trump Administration’s War on Charity: Nearly 70% of nonprofits are facing decreased funding while demand for services rises. More than half are concerned about closure or merger. And there’s a 40-point perception gap between funders and nonprofits about how well funders understand grantee challenges. Host Rusty Stahl is joined by CEP’s Vice President of Research, Elisha Smith Arrillaga, to explore: 📊 The headline findings from CEP’s newest “State of Nonprofits” report 🔍 The widening disconnect between funders and nonprofit leaders 🧠 What nonprofits say they actually need beyond grant dollars ⚖️ How political targeting of the entire nonprofit sector changes the stakes 💬 Live poll results from nonprofit leaders, funders, and capacity builders This episode offers data, context, and practical insight to help you navigate mounting pressure—and consider how philanthropy can move from reactive to proactive support. Our Guest: Elisha Smith Arrillaga, Ph.D. manages CEP’s Research team, leading the creation, development, analysis, and release of research projects and initiatives relevant to the philanthropic sector’s most pressing issues. Prior to CEP, Dr. Smith Arrillaga was a faculty fellow and professor of practice in philanthropy and education policy at the University of Texas. She served as executive director of several national and state level nonprofits, including the Dana Center, a national center on math and science education equity. Related Episodes: Defend Nonprofits, Defend Democracy Series Spotify PlaylistHow Funders Can Fight Nonprofit Burnout, Not Fuel It — with Elisha Smith Arrillaga, Center for Effective Philanthropy (S8:E6, October 29, 2025)Do Funders Understand the Nonprofit Burnout Crisis? – with Elisha Smith Arrillaga, Center for Effective Philanthropy (S7:E1, November 13, 2024)Understanding Funders’ Blindspots - with Phil Buchanan and Grace Nicolette, Center for Effective Philanthropy (S1:E7, November 13, 2020)Resources & Links Discussed: A Sector in Crisis Report (https://cep.org/report-backpacks/a-sector-in-crisis-how-u-s-nonprofits-and-foundations-are-responding-to-threats/?section=intro) A Sector in Crisis Board Book Insert (2-pages) (https://cep.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/A_Sector_in_Crisis-2-pager_FNL.pdf) Video of CEP's own webinar on their report "A Sector in Crisis", (February 19, 2026, https://youtu.be/-F9ptl8NB-M?si=AlevsCHRivpPJVUq) Video of CEP conference plenary on this research (November 2025, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEKo9C--foU&t=7s) National Council of Nonprofits (https://www.councilofnonprofits.org) Independent Sector (https://independentsector.org) Fund the People (https://fundthepeople.org) Defend Nonprofits, Defend Democracy Series Playlist on Spotify Navigating Away From the Overhead Myth, write-in campaign to Charity Navigator (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ULw5tJgyRFw4ZJbn-SiFm9jVcL-2_JnrCT1UUOXLiXY/edit?usp=sharing) Fund the People Premium Podcast on Patreon (https://patreon.com/fundthepeople)

    43 min
  6. Funding Advocacy for Racial Equity in a Hostile Climate – with Dr. Giridhar Mallya, Robert Wood Johnson Foundation

    FEB 25

    Funding Advocacy for Racial Equity in a Hostile Climate – with Dr. Giridhar Mallya, Robert Wood Johnson Foundation

    Download our Edited Transcript for this episode. Get the extended version of this and all episodes (and mucn more) by joining our Patreon community. In this installment of our ongoing Defend Nonprofits, Defend Democracy Series, you’ll get practical, real-world examples of how funders and nonprofit leaders can engage in policy advocacy to defend values such as racial equity and democracy, when those values are under direct political attack. Host Rusty Stahl is joined by Giridhar Mallya, Senior Policy Officer at the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation (RWJF), to unpack how one major national foundation is supporting nonprofits through legal advocacy, narrative change, and bold leadership in a hostile climate. Drawing on his background in public health and government, Dr. Mallya explains why race-conscious strategies improve outcomes for everyone—and why pulling back from equity work creates greater risk for nonprofits than continuing it. According to Inside Philanthropy, RWJF was the first among the large national foundations to speak out in response to the Trump Administration’s anti-racial justice efforts. Listeners will learn how RWJF has redefined what “risk” is in today’s environment; why focusing on grantee safety is more productive than focusing on foundation fears; and what it looks like for philanthropic institutions to stay public, values-aligned, and effective when silence feels safer. Guest bio: Giridhar Mallya, is an MD, and Masters of Science Health Policy. He is a public health physician whose career spans government, philanthropy, and academia. His work leverages the power of public policy and community health interventions to shape the political, social, and economic determinants of health. He currently serves as Senior Policy Officer for the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation where he leads a national initiative to defend racial equity, diversity, and inclusion in health and other sectors. Dr. Mallya was previously Director of Policy and Planning for the Philadelphia Department of Public Health. He is a board-certified family physician and adjunct professor at the University of Pennsylvania. Organizations, People & Resources Mentioned: Recommended Resources from our Guest: How Equity Strategies Can Make Healthcare Better for Everyone Advancing Health Equity: Myths vs. Facts Promoting Policy Tools that Advance Health and Racial Equity People: Giridhar Mallya – Senior Policy Officer, Robert Wood Johnson Foundation Edgar Villanueva – Author and philanthropy leader; RWJF board member Rich Besser – President & CEO, Robert Wood Johnson Foundation Avanel Joseph – Vice President for Policy, Robert Wood Johnson Foundation Rev Jesse Jackson (Rest in Peace) – Civil rights leader and past presidential candidate Organizations & Institutions: Robert Wood Johnson Foundation Freedom Together Foundation Marguerite Casey Foundation Similar Episodes: Defend Nonprofits, Defend Democracy Series playlist (Spotify)

    31 min
  7. 5 Lessons on Nonprofit Job Quality from Worker-Led Research - Brianna Rogers and Rob Hope, ReWork the Bay

    FEB 18

    5 Lessons on Nonprofit Job Quality from Worker-Led Research - Brianna Rogers and Rob Hope, ReWork the Bay

    Download the Episode Transcript in .pdf format In this episode of the Fund the People Podcast, you'll gain practical insights into how centering workers' perspectives -- and sharing power between employees and management -- can dramatically improve job quality in nonprofit organizations. Host Rusty Stahl sits down with Brianna Rogers and Rob Hope of Rework The Bay to unpack a bold funding experiment supported by the James Irvine Foundation and conducted in partnership with Jobs for the Future. Eight California nonprofits engaged frontline staff as participatory researchers to examine their own working conditions and to co-create improvements with their organizations’ top executives. The results challenge assumptions. While compensation is foundational, workers most emphasized voice, transparency, shared leadership, professional growth, and healthier work boundaries as essential components of a quality job. The project surfaced five key lessons: workers can surface what truly matters; leaders grow when they listen; power must be intentionally shared; strategies must be tailored to organizational context; and job quality is an ongoing process—not a one-time fix.Through concrete examples—from four-day workweeks to anonymous feedback systems and participatory decision-making—this conversation offers nonprofit leaders and funders actionable ideas to advance shared leadership, transform funding practices, and elevate collective voice. Part of our ongoing California Voices Series, this episode is a roadmap for anyone committed to building nonprofit workplaces where staff can thrive—and where stronger internal culture leads to stronger community impact. Speaker Bios: ReWork the Bay Initiative Officer Brianna Rogers partners on ReWork’s fundraising efforts and leads our systems change projects focused on building worker power, workforce training and advancing job quality. Brianna grew up in Berkeley, attended Berkeley City College where she served as one of two student delegates to the Peralta Community College District, then transferred to UC Berkeley as a first-generation, re-entry student parent, earning her bachelor’s degree in Rhetoric Studies. While at UCB, Brianna developed innovative programming for the UC Berkeley’s African Student Development Center and the Department of Equity and Inclusion. She went on to receive her master’s degree from the McCourt School of Public Policy at Georgetown University, got her start in philanthropy as a National Urban Fellow at the Andrus Family Fund in New York City. In October 2020, she joined the San Francisco Foundation’s Partnership for HOPE SF team, where she worked until joining the ReWork team in 2022. ReWork the Bay Director Rob Hope is responsible for leading execution of ReWork the Bay’s strategy, as well as fundraising, grantmaking, budget management and partnership building. Rob joined ReWork the Bay in October 2017, after serving as Chief Program Officer at Rubicon Programs. Prior professional experience includes all levels of workforce development direct services, program evaluation and policy analysis, and community building work. Rob has a Bachelor’s in Sociology from Vassar College and a Master’s in Public Policy from UC Berkeley. For more on Brianna and Rob, visit the staff page of ReWork the Bay. Links to Resources Discussed: Featured Initiative: Rework The BayJob Quality Project Report (June 2025)Project Partners: Jobs for the FutureThe PATH GroupFunding Partner James Irvine FoundationHost Organization: San Francisco FoundationParticipating Nonprofits Highlighted in the Episode: Canal AllianceCreating Restorative Opportunities and Programs (CROP)Related Fund the People Resources: Playlist for FTP Podcast’s CA Voices SeriesReport on FTP’s 2024-25 California ConveningsFTP Podcast Premium on PatreonFund the People - A Podcast with Rusty StahlFund the People WebsiteListen to this episode: This Episode on Apple PodcastsThis Episode on Spotify

    42 min
  8. A New Era of Philanthropy: Why Funders Must Invest in Nonprofit People - with Dimple Abichandani

    FEB 11

    A New Era of Philanthropy: Why Funders Must Invest in Nonprofit People - with Dimple Abichandani

    In this episode of the Fund the People Podcast, listeners will gain practical insight into how philanthropy can evolve to meet today’s interconnected crises—and what funders can do differently right now to support justice, sustainability, and nonprofit workers. Host Rusty Stahl is joined by nationally recognized philanthropic leader, lawyer, and author Dimple Abichandani, whose new book, A New Era of Philanthropy: Ten Practices to Transform Wealth into a More Just and Sustainable Future, offers a bold reimagining of philanthropy’s purpose and practice. Together, Rusty and Dimple explore why so many funders are skeptical that philanthropy can rise to this moment, tracing those doubts back to the field’s historical roots in Andrew Carnegie’s “Gospel of Wealth” and the enduring legacy of Gilded Age thinking. They focus especially on the importance of investing in nonprofit people, with Dimple sharing concrete examples from her time as a foundation CEO—including "healing justice" grants that helped address burnout, trauma, and precarity in grantee organizations of General Service Foundation before and during the pandemic. The conversation closes with a compelling invitation to move beyond 'gilded philanthropy' toward 'true alchemy': transforming wealth through care, listening, and solidarity, so that communities can genuinely thrive. Gust bio: Dimple Abichandani is a nationally recognized philanthropic leader, writer, and lawyer, and author of a forthcoming book, A New Era of Philanthropy: Ten Practices to Transform Wealth Into a More Just Future, that offers fresh answers to the question of how philanthropy can meet this moment. Related episodes: How Funders Can Support Nonprofit Workers in the Age of Burnout, Part 3 – with Desiree Flores, Executive Director, General Service Foundation Links to Resources: A New Era of Philanthropy book by Dimple Abichandani Dimple Abichandani website For Philanthropy, This Actually Isn’t 2016 All Over Again⁠, Dimple Abichandani letter in The Chronicle of Philanthropy, November 2024 To Ensure Nonprofit Wellbeing, Invest in Wages, Workloads and Working Conditions Rusty Stahl’s guest post on Center for Effective Philanthropy blog, June 2024

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The only show that helps YOU invest in the nonprofit workforce! Here you’ll get the ideas, tools, data, and stories you need in order raise or give money to support and develop nonprofit workers and leaders in your organization or your community. This unique podcast invites you into casual, provocative conversations with diverse leaders from foundations, nonprofits, academia, and capacity-building groups. We give you the big picture view, and we dig into specific issues, such as executive transitions, burnout, HR, fundraising for staff, how public policy impacts nonprofit workers, and more. Fund the People is the national organization that works to maximize investments in America's nonprofit workforce. It was founded in 2014 by Rusty Stahl with support from The Kresge Foundation, NYU Wagner, and Tides. We’ve launched the podcast in 2020, and have published over 100 episodes across 8 seasons. We launched a private version of the show on Patreon in 2025. It features community conversations, extended episodes, and a Patreon-only show where Rusty gives you the inside view while getting outside for a walk in New York’s Hudson Valley. Visit patreon.com/fundthepeople.

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