Dev Interrupted

LinearB

Dev Interrupted is the go-to podcast for software engineering leadership. Each week, hosts Andrew Zigler, Ben Lloyd Pearson, and Dan Lines sit down with industry experts to explore the strategies, struggles, and stories behind high-performing software teams. Paired with weekly industry news coverage, the conversations dive deep into the real challenges that define excellence in modern tech.

  1. 2D AGO

    Nobody is shipping your agent’s code (yet) | Predictions from LinearB’s Ori Keren

    AI has successfully solved the blank page problem for developers, but it has created a massive new bottleneck downstream in the SDLC. LinearB CEO Ori Keren joins us to explain why 2026 will be a year of norming as organizations struggle to digest the flood of AI-generated code. In this annual prediction episode, he details why upstream velocity gains are being lost to chaos in reviews and testing. We also discuss why enterprises aren't ready to hand over the keys to autonomous agents and how to build dynamic pipelines based on risk. LinearB Access the AI code review metrics dashboardUnify your Copilot and Cursor impact metricsFollow the show: Subscribe to our Substack Follow us on LinkedInSubscribe to our YouTube ChannelLeave us a ReviewFollow the hosts: Follow AndrewFollow BenFollow DanFollow today's guest: Follow Ori on LinkedInOFFERS Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free. Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era. LEARN ABOUT LINEARB AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production. AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance. AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil. MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.

    44 min
  2. 5D AGO

    OpenClaw, a constitution for AI, breaking dark flow, and open source as a moat?

    In this Friday Deploy, Andrew and Ben dive into the viral Moltbot (now OpenClaw) phenomenon and Steve Yegge's Software Survival 3.0 essay, debating how SaaS companies can build moats in an era of token-constrained engineering. They also explore the concept of "Dark Flow" - a deceptive state where vibe coding feels productive but hides accumulated tech debt - and break down Anthropic's newly released constitution for Claude. Finally, the team discusses a Reddit user’s claim to have ported CUDA to AMD in 30 minutes and shares a fascinating breakdown of podcast listening data. LinearB: The AI productivity platform for engineering leaders Follow the show: Subscribe to our Substack Follow us on LinkedInSubscribe to our YouTube ChannelLeave us a ReviewFollow the hosts: Follow AndrewFollow BenFollow DanFollow today's stories: OpenClawSoftware Survival 3.0Breaking the Spell of Vibe CodingClaude's new constitutionClaude Code Has Managed to Port NVIDIA’s CUDA Backend to ROCmMy Top 25 Podcast Episodes & Interviews from 2025 by IPM (Insights Per Minute)OFFERS Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free. Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era. LEARN ABOUT LINEARB AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production. AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance. AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil. MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.

    23 min
  3. JAN 27

    Scaffolding is coping not scaling, and other lessons from Codex | OpenAI’s Thibault Sottiaux

    If you rely on complex scaffolding to build AI agents you aren't scaling you are coping. Thibault Sottiaux from OpenAI’s Codex team joins us to explain why they are ruthlessly removing the harness to solve for true agentic autonomy. We discuss the bitter lesson of vertical integration, why scalable primitives beat clever tricks, and how the rise of the super bus factor is reshaping engineering careers. LinearB: Measure the impact of GitHub Copilot and Cursor Follow the show: Subscribe to our Substack Follow us on LinkedInSubscribe to our YouTube ChannelLeave us a ReviewFollow the hosts: Follow AndrewFollow BenFollow DanFollow today's guest: OpenAI Codex: Learn more about the models powering tools like GitHub Copilot.Codex Open Source Repo: The lightweight coding agent that runs in your terminal (check out the Rust migration mentioned in the episode).Agent Skills Open Standard: The open standard and catalog for giving agents new capabilities.The Bitter Lesson: Richard Sutton’s essay on why compute-centric methods win in AI.Follow Tibo on X @thsottiaux | GitHubOFFERS Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free. Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era. LEARN ABOUT LINEARB AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production. AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance. AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil. MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.

    40 min
  4. JAN 23

    Angie Jones on Ralphing 25k repos at Block, GPT-5.2 Codex, and CES weirdness

    With the Ralph loop going mainstream, how are engineering organizations utilizing it at scale? Andrew and Ben sit down with Angie Jones, VP of Engineering AI Tools and Enablement at Block, to pick her brain on how they are using the Ralph Wiggum technique to automate updates across 25,000 repos and how she is strategically preparing for Gas Town. The team also breaks down the launch of OpenAI's new GPT-5.2 Codex model before closing out the week with a look at the weirdest tech from CES, from hypersonic knives to music-playing lollipops. LinearB: Measure the impact of GitHub Copilot and Cursor Follow the show: Subscribe to our Substack Follow us on LinkedInSubscribe to our YouTube ChannelLeave us a ReviewFollow the hosts: Follow AndrewFollow BenFollow DanFollow today's stories: Angie Jones: angiejones.tech | LinkedIn | X (Twitter)Goose (Block’s AI Agent): github.com/block/gooseSteve Yegge’s "Welcome to Gas Town": Read on MediumGeoffrey Huntley’s Ralph Loop: ghuntley.com/ralphRyan Dahl on the End of Coding: @rough__seaThe Weirdest Tech of CES: Read the ArticleOFFERS Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free. Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era. LEARN ABOUT LINEARB AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production. AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance. AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil. MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.

    28 min
  5. JAN 20

    Backstage’s journey from spreadsheets to global IDP standard | Spotify’s Tyson Singer

    Before Backstage became the industry standard for developer portals, Spotify’s engineers relied on spreadsheets to navigate their massive microservices ecosystem. Tyson Singer, Spotify’s Head of Technology and Platforms, joins us to trace the evolution of their internal developer experience from a necessity for order into the open-source giant Backstage and its new SaaS evolution, Portal. We dig into how they use golden paths to align autonomous squads and how their new AI Knowledge Assistant (AiKA) reduced internal support tickets by nearly 50% while protecting developer flow. Finally, Tyson shares his philosophy on sustainable innovation, explaining how to train an engineering organization to run a marathon at a sprinter's pace. LinearB: Measure the impact of GitHub Copilot and Cursor Follow the show: Subscribe to our Substack Follow us on LinkedInSubscribe to our YouTube ChannelLeave us a ReviewFollow the hosts: Follow AndrewFollow BenFollow DanFollow today's guest: Spotify Engineering Blog: engineering.spotify.comSpotify Portal: backstage.spotify.comConfidence: confidence.spotify.comConnect with Tyson: LinkedInOFFERS Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free. Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era. LEARN ABOUT LINEARB AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production. AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance. AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil. MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.

    41 min
  6. JAN 16

    Ralph Wiggum goes to Gas Town and the death of the IC

    In our first-ever Friday edition, Andrew and Ben dive into the viral "Ralph Loop" phenomenon and discuss how simple bash loops and deterministic context allocation are changing the unit economics of code. They also explore Steve Yegge's chaotic "Gas Town" concept for orchestrating AI agents, debate whether AI is killing the individual contributor role, and share a laugh over a creepy link generator that challenges our trust in URLs.  LinearB: Measure the impact of GitHub Copilot and Cursor Follow the show: Subscribe to our Substack Follow us on LinkedInSubscribe to our YouTube ChannelLeave us a ReviewFollow the hosts: Follow AndrewFollow BenFollow DanFollow today's stories: Cowork: Claude Code for the rest of your workGas Town Emergency User ManualLoom by Geoffrey HuntleyAI Killed the Individual ContributorCreepyLinkOFFERS Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free. Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era. LEARN ABOUT LINEARB AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production. AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance. AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil. MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.

    28 min
  7. JAN 13

    Inventing the Ralph Wiggum Loop | Creator Geoffrey Huntley

    Geoffrey Huntley argues that while software development as a profession is effectively dead, software engineering is more alive—and critical—than ever before. In this episode, the creator of the viral "Ralph" agent joins us to explain how simple bash loops and deterministic context allocation are fundamentally changing the unit economics of code. We dive deep into the mechanics of managing "context rot," avoiding "compaction," and why building your own "Gas Town" of autonomous agents is the only way to survive the coming rift. LinearB: Measure the impact of GitHub Copilot and Cursor Follow the show: Subscribe to our Substack Follow us on LinkedInSubscribe to our YouTube ChannelLeave us a ReviewFollow the hosts: Follow AndrewFollow BenFollow DanFollow today's guest(s): Geoffrey’s Website & Blog: ghuntley.comBuild Your Own Coding Agent Workshop: ghuntley.com/agent Ralph Wiggum as a Software Engineer: ghuntley.com/ralphSteve Yegge’s "Welcome to Gas Town": Read on MediumThe "Cursed" Programming Language: github.com/ghuntley/cursedOFFERS Start Free Trial: Get started with LinearB's AI productivity platform for free. Book a Demo: Learn how you can ship faster, improve DevEx, and lead with confidence in the AI era. LEARN ABOUT LINEARB AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production. AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance. AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil. MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.

    58 min
4.8
out of 5
146 Ratings

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Dev Interrupted is the go-to podcast for software engineering leadership. Each week, hosts Andrew Zigler, Ben Lloyd Pearson, and Dan Lines sit down with industry experts to explore the strategies, struggles, and stories behind high-performing software teams. Paired with weekly industry news coverage, the conversations dive deep into the real challenges that define excellence in modern tech.

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