The Fallen But Not Forgotten Podcast

Chris Jay
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Bluecoat Foundation's founder, Chris Jay,  sits down with family, friends & co-workers of those in law enforcement who have gone through the tragedy of losing loved ones by way of line-of-duty deaths. By discussing the lives of these selfless individuals, Bluecoat Foundation looks to honor their legacies. Through memories, laughter, tears and even at times anger, Bluecoat Foundation seeks to improve the health and safety of those in law enforcement by shedding light onto a topic that can be difficult to discuss. 

  1. May 5

    A Servant’s Heart Under Fire: Finding Light in Darkness

    On this episode of the Fallen But Not Forgotten Podcast, I sit down with Sarah Patterson. Sarah has a very compelling story. While situations like hers aren’t entirely unique, what sets her apart is her unrelenting fight to keep her job in the face of false accusations. Sarah Patterson served for 12 years in Los Angeles as an officer, detective, and field sergeant. She has fought to protect her career from an unjust termination. In this episode, we focus on how she handled the stress, challenges, and uncertainty of being let go from an agency she once took great pride in serving. Her commitment to her faith, her family, her health, and her career has given her a strength that is truly admirable. Today, she works in real estate and is attending law school, with the goal of helping others in law enforcement who may one day face similar challenges. She also launched her own show, After the Storm Podcast, an inspiring platform that’s well worth a listen. Thank you for supporting what we do—I hope you enjoy this episode with Sarah Patterson. After the Storm Podcast Website: https://afterthestormpodcast.com To listen to the details of her story:  https://youtu.be/_gVphlaEs-Y?si=1tjIR5vnrTFP1aZ6 TIMELINE:  00:01:16 - What can we learn? 00:03:18 - "Moral Injury" 00:06:00 - Betrayel vs Entitlement and Trickery vs Pride  00:15:00 - Navigating the nature of the complaint system 00:25:00 - The darkest moments of being relieved from duty 00:34:00 - Representing yourself in court and strength from God 00:39:00 - Relief, redemption and freedom.  00:44:00 - A servant’s heart.    00:48:00 - The job of a supervisor. 00:50:37 - Podcasting in "In Our Little World”. 00:54:30 - The Scarlet Letter Culture in Law Enforcement. 01:00:00 - The transitioning of identity. 01:03:00 -  Limitless, positive impacts: "I have a lot of good to do"  01:08:00 - Dedicated to Los Angeles Police Officer III Nicholas Choung Lee

    1h 9m

  2. 12/21/2025

    1961-2002: A Nostalgic Journey of Love, Grief & Good Ol' Fashioned War Stories

    Imagine being a cop today and making less then $500 a month, no bullet proof vest, no Taser, no SWAT to call out to & only 6 rounds in your gun…  How would you fare? ________________________________________________ On this podcast episode I was joined by fellow officer, Andre Burton, as my co host. We had the honor and privilege of interviewing a retired Deputy Chief from the LAPD, Maurice Moore, Academy Class of 5-61... Maurice Moore is originally from Kansas City, Kansas.  He grew up during a time when segregation still existed.  He embarked on several journeys along the way for love, for his career and to discover his family roots. Maurice Moore has had an illustrious career to say the least that spanned 4 decades.  He joined the department in 1961.  He’s been through two major riots, numerous chiefs, high profile cases, several fallen officers, historic police scandals & so many cultural changes over time.  He has moved around and worked many of the agency's geographical stations, he’s worked several specialized units and moved up the ranks to Deputy Chief before he retired in 2002. Although this podcast is almost 2-hours in length, we hardly touched the surface of all the historical events that Maurice has experienced as a police officer.  I’m hoping we can podcast with him again so we can focus on key eras in his career.  It was a pleasure to hear about his experience, leadership, positivity and sound advice he gives for the modern day cops. As a side note, some sound edits were made to omit certain officer names, by his request, while still keeping the integrity of his story in place. ________________________________________________ "RAP Sheet" 1961: Police Academy Class of 5-61  Narcotics Division Central Station University Station Hollywood Station North Hollywood Station Juenile Division Intelligence Division 1968:  Promoted to Sergeant 77th Station Intelligence Division Vice 1975: Promoted to Lieutenant Team Policing Personnel Division Metropolitan Division, C-Platoon Office of Operat ions Executive Officer 1980: Promoted to Captain  Wilshire Captain  Captain-II South Traffic Division  Captain-III Southwest Station West Los Angeles Station Internal Affairs Admninistrative VICE 1991: Promoted to Commander. Central Bureau  Headquarters Bureau  West Bureau Chiefs Office  Year TBD Promotoed to Deputy Chief Special Assistant Retired in 2002 ________________________________________________ TIMELINE: 00:02:09 - A kid from Kansas 00:03:00 - The road to California and the love story that drove him back  00:06:00 - “The Green Book”  00:11:00 - Segregation, schools & local police 00:14:00 -  Class of 5-61: The Police Academy & Jack Webb’s influence 00:26:00 - “Bob” the undercover narcotics rookie  00:35:00 -  Probation, then vs now 00:42:00 - Police work before S.W.A.T. 00:49:00 - 1965 Watts Riots & the 1992 LA Riots 00:54:00 - Community Problems Unit 00:57:00 - The “Us Organization” vs militant groups                    01:00:00 - Evergreen Cemetery: Families that built Los Angeles   01:02:00 - "The Onion Fields” Ian Campbell and lessons learned 01:07:00 - 10 police chiefs, leadership & the trifecta of LA’s power dynamic 01:15:20 - Personal leadership style 01:28:00 - Career advice & regrets 01:38:00 - Finding his roots in Kaufman, Texas 01:45:00 - "The Brown Derby” & historical gems of Los Angeles 01:47:00 - Dedications 01:52:00 - "I walked away from there, shattered” 01:53:30 - A final dedication

    1h 54m

  3. 11/17/2025

    BATTLES & TRANSFORMATIONS: FROM WARTIME VET TO STREET COP

    Daniel Malek is a Marine in the United States Marine Corps.  He served between 2000-2008 as a corporal and served in Iraq as an OIF Vet.  He Joined the LAPD in 2005 where he has worked patrol, the gang unit & is now a field training officer, where he trains probationary officers.   Malek and I have worked patrol at the same precinct for the better part of 10 years.  Him and I have always had intense conversations about what it takes to be on patrol.  Through the years I have seen his progression and maturity develop as we have gone through politically murky times.   He’s a genuine warrior, father and a real cop’s cop.  After podcasting with him I can truly say that both young coppers AND brass can learn a ton from his insight and approach to policing.   Thanks for listening and supporting what we do. I hope you enjoy this podcast.   TIMELINE:  00:02:00 - The Beard: Yay or Nay 00:05:00 - Tradition:  Marine Corp vs Law Enforcement  00:08:00 - The "Dragon Wagon"  00:14:00 - Training: Applying USMC principles to law enforcement    0018:00 - Transitioning: From Marine to Street Cop 00:28:00 - Caliber of Probationers, then vs now 00:37:00 - "Shogun” by James Clavell 00:44:00 - Transformation 00:47:00 - Muay Thai 00:55:00 - Physical Fitness  00:58:00 - Retirement  00:59:00 - Hypothetically speaking, advice and insight to his daughter the police officer.  01:08:27 - In honor of Marine Sgt. Major Robert J. Cottle, Killed in Action March 24, 2010

    1h 13m

  4. 10/31/2025

    The Bloodhound Warrior: Pain, Peace and the Facade of Perfection, with Joe Cirrito

    THE FALLEN BUT NOT FORGOTTEN PODCAST: “The Bloodhound Warrior:  Pain, Peace and the Facade of Perfection, with Joe Cirrito” ___________________________________ I sat down with my friend and fellow street copper, Joe Cirrito.  We take a deep dive into how he gets through the pain of his endurance runs and extreme workouts.   Joseph Scott Cirrito was born and raised in New York.  He went to Lona College where he played football and studied abroad at Trinity College Dublin Ireland. Before his illustrious carreer in law enforcement, he was a teacher  at Herman Lehman High School and coached football, track and baseball He worked alongside his friend, fallen officer Dominic Pezullo, who tragically died in the line-of-duty when the Twin Towers fell on 9/11.  Both Joe & Dominic spoke about becoming police officers together.  Joe then moved to Los Angeles to fulfill that pact with the Los Angeles Police Department.   While in the hiring process, he taught for the LAUSD 2002 to 2005 before starting the LAPD Police Academy in March of 2005.  Joe has been assigned to patrol in 3 different geographical areas of Los Angeles, “Safer Cities”, gang unit for 2 different precincts, Senior Lead Officer, Gang & Narcotics Division as a K9 bloodhound handler and now works as a field training officer where he trains probationers.  Joe conceptualized and built a homeless outreach program in the Koreatown area of Los Angeles, which he coined, H.O.P.E. (Homeless Outreach Partnership Endeavor ).  The program was a success & would ultimately be adopted by the LAPD and implemented city-wide.  Joe ran over 400-miles with Kristina Tudor, and a volunteer support team of 30 officers, from Los Angeles to Sacramento in full uniform to honor fallen officers.  This run was called “Project Endure”.  His efforts raised funds for the nonprofit, Bluecoat Foundation, a 501(C)(3) that supports families of law enforcement agents who have died in the line-of-duty.  Since then, Joe has continued his passion  for running ultra marathons and endurance runs while honoring fallen officers.  He completes a yearly 24-hour nonstop workout, (yes…24-hour nonstop workout), that he dedicates to his friend, Dominic Pezullo, and all first responders who perished on 9/11. ___________________________________ TIMELINE: 00:02:15 - Tobacco Pipes  00:08::00 - Finding peace in a frenzied mind  00:11:00 -  Trail runs & daydreams   00:13:20 - Laziness  00:14:20 - Pain  00:17:35 - Inspiration  00:20:20 - “The inner governor” -Goggins  00:23:00 - The spirit of a bloodhound  00:24:00 - Extreme measures  00:28:00 - The power of people  00:36:46 -  The bond with Kristina Tudor 00:38:20 - Lt Humphries  00:39:45 -  Mileage count vs humility 00:42:25 -  The treachery & the beauty of  California’s “Grapevine”  00:49:45 -  Books & leaderships. “The Need to Lead” by Dave  Berke & books by Jocko Willink.  00:55:00 - Perfection in policing  00:59:50 - Figure it out 01:04:27 - Skittles galore & brown piss 01:07:30 - Project Endure 3 and shark repellent  01:08:10 - What’s next?  01:13:00 - Joe shares a heartfelt dedication to Deputy Andrew Nunez of San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department End of Watch October 27th 2025 #thefallenbutnotforgottenpodcast #bluecoatfoundation #endurancerun #ultramarathon #thedom #dominicpezullo #projectendure #officerjoecirrito #nonprofit #deputyandrewnunez #sanbernardinosheriffsoffice #davidgoggins #jockowillink #daveberke #theneedtolead  #policeofficer #podcast #lawenforcement

    1h 16m
  5. From Tanks to Black-and-Whites & the Letter That Was Never Meant to be Written

    07/10/2025

    From Tanks to Black-and-Whites & the Letter That Was Never Meant to be Written

    On this episode I have a conversation with Ismael Carlos.  Ismael has worked as an officer for Santa Monica College PD and is currently a police officer fo the Los Angeles Police Department.  He served in the United States military as a tanker in the Marine Corps and served in Combat in Iraq.  Carlos dedicates this podcast to his Godson, Ethan Carlos, who passed away recently at a very young age.  Please support the Ethan Carlos Foundation, a nonprofit organization, by going to ethancarlos.org.   This podcast  holds a ton of value for all of us in law enforcement and for those in the military.  Please listen, tell us what you think and share this episode with someone you think it can help. Timestamps: 00:01:25 - 1999: Joining the US Marine Corps  00:03:00 - Rio Hondo: Paying your own way through the academy 00:05:00 - We got a tanker job, "Sign me up!”= 00:06:00 - Straight outtta Whittier 00:08:00 - From Tankers to Black & Whites 00:10:00 - Deployment after the September 11th attack 00:12:30 - Warriorhood 00:14:00 - Pushing in, arriving in Kuwait 00:17:00 - The “Death Letter" 00:19:00 - Faith and survival 00:21:00 - Survival mode, training, completing the mission then processing  00:23:00 - Maturity and self-awareness 00:25:00 - Being scared vs Cautionary fear, mental preparedness of a warrior 00:27:00 - Experiencing loss during combat 00:31:00 - Appreciation  00:33:00 - The newer generation of officers  00:36:00 -  Leadership 00:45:00 - Getting into a shooting 00:46:36 - An officer's wellbeing is part of the department's assets  00:48:00 - Burnout  00:49:00 - 2020 Riots 00:51:00 - Empathy-forward leadership  00:53:38 - Self reflection: What type of leader will I be?  00:55:00 - Dedication: Ethan Carlos #thefallenbutnotforgottenpodcast #bluecoatfoundation #usmc #policeofficer #podcast #lawenforcement

    56 min

  6. 06/17/2025

    Leadership, Bear Hugs & Prayer: A Widow & Daughter's Perspective

    On this podcast episode I have a conversation with Tania Owens, widow Sgt Steve Owens.  Sgt Owens died in the line-of-duty on October 5th 2016 when he responded to a burglary call in Lancaster, California.  This was a very emotional interview as it was recorded at Sgt Owen’s mother’s house.  Sgt Owen’s daughter also joined in the talk to give her insight as the child of a fallen deputy.   Timeline:  00:01:16 - Discovering Law Enforcement 00:03:00 - Undercover Narcotics 07:38:00 - Child Abuse Investigator  00:12:00 - The legacy of Steve Owen 00:14:30 -The love story 00:21:00 - The value of the heart of a God-fearing man 00:24:00 - A daughter’s perspective  00:45:30 - A word of advice to spouses of law enforcement  00:49:00 - The last moment together 00:50:15 - The phone call 00:52:00 - The arrival at the hospital  01:10:00 -Anger, regret & sadness  01:12:00 - Bear hugs 01:15:00 - After care      01:17:00 - The legacy of leadership and humility  01:19:55 - Prayer In honor of Sergeant Steve C. Owen, Los Angeles County Sheriff  Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, California End of Watch Wednesday, October 5, 2016

    1h 22m
  7. Historical Beginnings and the Passion for Police Work: With Andre Burton

    05/03/2025

    Historical Beginnings and the Passion for Police Work: With Andre Burton

    Officer Andre Burton is a Field Training Officer in the LAPD.  His passion for his career goes back into a rich family history of first responders in the City of Los Angeles. Timestamp: 00:01:38 – Podcast guest open invite! 00:02:11 – The start of a career in law enforcement 00:03:13 – A deeply rooted family affair 00:05:45 – Love story of Ruby Earl Boyd, one of the first Black sheriff to patrol Firestone 00:07:00 – Patrolling the streets and coming across living history 00:09:00 – A sign of the times “Draw down” 00:13:00 – Dorothy Fitzgerald 00:14:00 – The Fire Academy vs Police Academy 00:16:00 – Ancestry and memorabilia 00:18:26 – The good ol’ pension.  Worth a gander.   00:21:00 – Street cop vs. promotions 00:23:00 – Observing FTO culture 00:25:00 – How a trainee learns 00:28:00 – Recounting podcast with Sheriff Villanueva 00:30:00 – Passion, motivation & defining a good street cop. 00:37:00 – 2014, a tragic year for LAPD 00:39:00 – Pursuits, ambushes, OIS’s & the emotions that follow 00:53:00 – Chris closes out with a follow up invitation

    54 min
  8. Military, Law Enforcement & a Horse Named Lyra

    04/25/2025

    Military, Law Enforcement & a Horse Named Lyra

    THE FALLEN BUT NOT FORGOTTEN PODCAST:  Military, Law Enforcement & a Horse Named Lyra David O’Brien is a United States Marine and an LAPD Police Officer.  He has worked the Gang Unit and is currently assigned to night watch patrol.   Timestamps: 00:01:18 The Clapperboard Intro  A gift from Chris's spirit sister, which adds a professional touch to this laidback podcast of sharing memories, experiences and riveting moments of a patrolman's career 00:01:47 - Natalie Blue  00:03:30 - Horses and dogs 00:16:30 - Military vs. Law Enforcement 00:28:00 - Purpose and navigating trauma 00:36:00 - The mindset & deadly force 00:45:00 - Tradition 00:49:00 - Leadership  00:56:00 - (video goes out-audio only) 00:57:45 - Fear 1:01:00 - Cloning complacent officers 1:06:00 - The 5 Commandments 1:09:00 - Discipline 1:15:00 - Culture  1:22:00 - Legacy 1:27:00 - O'Brien dedicates this podcast to Police Officer II Fernando Uriel Arroyos End of Watch January 10, 2022

    1h 27m
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Bluecoat Foundation's founder, Chris Jay,  sits down with family, friends & co-workers of those in law enforcement who have gone through the tragedy of losing loved ones by way of line-of-duty deaths. By discussing the lives of these selfless individuals, Bluecoat Foundation looks to honor their legacies. Through memories, laughter, tears and even at times anger, Bluecoat Foundation seeks to improve the health and safety of those in law enforcement by shedding light onto a topic that can be difficult to discuss. 

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