Perfect Chaos

David and Ronda Blevins

Education is rarely neat, predictable, or simple. It is where people, purpose, practice, and possibility come together in what can only be described as Perfect Chaos. Hosted by educator, author, and teacher educator Dr. Ronda Blevins, the Perfect Chaos Podcast offers honest, practical conversations about teaching, learning, leadership, technology, relationships, and the beautifully complicated work of education. Each episode brings together research, experience, reflection, and ideas educators can carry into their own classrooms and communities. Whether we are talking about AI, classroom c

  1. Sep 7

    Season 2 - Episode 4: What I Wish Someone Had Told Me About Teaching

    There are plenty of things people tell you before you become a teacher. But few people explain how deeply relational the work will become or how much emotional weight those relationships can carry. In this episode, Dr. B reflects on what she wishes someone had told her about teaching: why relationships are not separate from instruction, how small moments of intentional presence can matter, and what can happen when a teacher responds to challenging behavior with curiosity, consistency, and professional judgment. Relational teaching does not mean eliminating consequences or avoiding office referrals when they are necessary. It means understanding that empathy and accountability can exist together. Drawing from her own classroom experiences and Finding Perfect Chaos in Your Classroom, Dr. B explores how educators can hold firm expectations without treating removal as the automatic response to every problem. She also addresses the emotional side of teaching, including worrying about students, celebrating their breakthroughs, and learning to care deeply without taking ownership of every burden they carry. Teachers are not responsible for solving every problem. They can listen, support, connect students with appropriate help, and remain steady without becoming overwhelmed themselves. Relationships do not replace accountability. They help educators use accountability with greater purpose.Research Blevins, R. M. (2025). Findingperfect chaos in your classroom: Becoming the teacher you always wanted to be.Independently published. Booker, K. (2021). Ruleswithout relationships lead to rebellion: Secondary teachers and schoolbelonging. School Community Journal, 31(1), 65-84.https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1304826.pdf Endedijk, H. M., Breeman, L.D., van Lissa, C. J., Hendrickx, M. M. H. G., den Boer, L., & Mainhard, T.(2022). The teacher's invisible hand: A meta-analysis of the relevance ofteacher-student relationship quality for peer relationships and the contributionof student behavior. Review of Educational Research, 92(3), 370-412.https://doi.org/10.3102/00346543211051428 Roorda, D. L., Jak, S., Zee,M., Oort, F. J., & Koomen, H. M. Y. (2017). Affective teacher-studentrelationships and students' engagement and achievement: A meta-analytic updateand test of the mediating role of engagement. School Psychology Review, 46(3),239-261. https://doi.org/10.17105/SPR-2017-0035.V46-3 Regional Educational LaboratoryNortheast & Islands. (2025). Supporting educator well-being usingevidence-based supports. Institute of Education Sciences, U.S. Department ofEducation. https://ies.ed.gov/rel-northeast-islands/2025/01/supporting-educator-well-being-using-evidence-based-supports

    Season 2 - Episode 4: What I Wish Someone Had Told Me About Teaching
  2. Aug 17

    Season 2: Episode 3: Set the Tone, Then Learn the People

    The students have arrived, and all those carefullyplanned systems now have to work for the actual people in the room. In this episode, Dr. B explores how educators canestablish clear expectations while still making space for student voice.Drawing on educational research about belonging, teacher–student relationships,classroom structure, and student agency, she explains why authority and sharedownership do not have to compete. You’ll leave with practical strategies for developingclassroom norms with students, learning who they are through meaningfulacademic work, creating an effective weekly suggestion box, respondingthoughtfully when the answer must be no, and revisiting routines once the classhas had time to experience them. Set the tone. Hold the boundaries. Listen to yourstudents. Then let what you learn about the people in the room help shape theclassroom you build together. Visit perfect-chaos.org and subscribe to From the FrontPorch to stay connected between episodes. Research Referenced in This Episode Roorda, D. L., Koomen, H. M. Y., Spilt, J. L., & Oort,F. J. (2011). The influence of affective teacher–student relationships onstudents’ school engagement and achievement: A meta-analytic approach. Reviewof Educational Research, 81(4), 493–529.https://doi.org/10.3102/0034654311421793 Roorda, D. L., Jak, S., Zee, M., Oort, F. J., &Koomen, H. M. Y. (2017). Affective teacher–student relationships and students’engagement and achievement: A meta-analytic update and test of the mediatingrole of engagement. School Psychology Review, 46(3), 239–261.https://doi.org/10.17105/SPR-2017-0035.V46-3 Patzak, A., Zhang, X., Vandenkerckhove, B., etal. (2025). Blending teacher autonomy support and provision of structurein the classroom. Educational Psychology Review.https://doi.org/10.1007/s10648-025-09994-2 Korpershoek, H., Canrinus, E. T., Fokkens-Bruinsma, M.,& de Boer, H. (2020). The relationships between school belonging andstudents’ motivational, social-emotional, behavioural, and academic outcomes insecondary education: A meta-analytic review. Research Papers in Education,35(6), 641–680. https://doi.org/10.1080/02671522.2019.1615116 Gillett-Swan, J., & Baroutsis, A. (2024). Studentvoice and teacher voice in educational research: A systematic review. OxfordReview of Education. https://doi.org/10.1080/03054985.2023.2257132

    Season 2: Episode 3: Set the Tone, Then Learn the People
  3. Jul 29

    Season 2: Episode 1: Welcome to the New Era of the Perfect Chaos Podcast

    In this Season 2 premiere, Dr. Ronda Blevins (Dr. B) welcomes listeners into a new era of the podcast, with her stepping into the role of regular solo host. David may still wander onto the porch occasionally, and other guests will join when their experiences can deepen the conversation, but this new format makes room for the podcast to return in a way that is thoughtful, flexible, and sustainable. This relaunch arrives as Dr. B is navigating another significant beginning: closing her chapter at Carson-Newman University and beginning a new position at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga. Both transitions have reinforced an important lesson: sometimes beginning again means releasing the version of the plan that no longer fits. In this episode, Dr. B reflects on the pressure to restart perfectly, the uncertainty that accompanies meaningful new beginnings, and why changing a plan does not mean the original idea failed. It may simply mean that real people showed up with real needs—and the meaningful work begins in how we notice, adjust, and keep going. She also shares what listeners can expect from the new Perfect Chaos Podcast, including honest conversations about teaching, learning, leadership, teacher preparation, educational technology, professional transitions, and the human side of doing meaningful work in the middle of real life. Coming next is a two-part back-to-school special: Part One: You Don’t Have to Be Ready for EverythingPart Two: Set the Tone, Then Learn the PeopleWhether you are entering a new classroom, beginning a new position, returning to something you set aside, or realizing that your carefully constructed plan no longer fits, this episode is an invitation to carry forward what still matters, release what does not, and begin with what you know now. Visit perfect-chaos.org and subscribe to From the Front Porch to stay connected between episodes. Wander a little. Wonder a lot. And remain calm in your perfect chaos.

    Season 2: Episode 1: Welcome to the New Era of the Perfect Chaos Podcast

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Education is rarely neat, predictable, or simple. It is where people, purpose, practice, and possibility come together in what can only be described as Perfect Chaos. Hosted by educator, author, and teacher educator Dr. Ronda Blevins, the Perfect Chaos Podcast offers honest, practical conversations about teaching, learning, leadership, technology, relationships, and the beautifully complicated work of education. Each episode brings together research, experience, reflection, and ideas educators can carry into their own classrooms and communities. Whether we are talking about AI, classroom c