Human Innovation with Jens Heitland

Jens Heitland

Long form conversations with CEOs and senior leaders on leadership, decision making, and innovation inside complex organizations. Hosted by Jens Heitland, CEO of Heitland Media Group and former Global Head of Innovation at IKEA Centres. © The Jens Heitland Show - Heitland Media Group

  1. 1d ago

    EP255 - John Glennane on Designing a Business Before You Automate It

    John Glennane traveled from Dublin to The Hague to sit down with Jens Heitland, and the two spent two days talking about what actually holds a business together. John is the CEO of Capventis, a technology and design consultancy, and the co-founder of a project called Glue that reimagines how business and technology should relate to each other. In this conversation, John and Jens work through why so many organizations end up governed by technology they never fully understand, what John calls the four biases that quietly block improvement, and the seven elements of design he uses to take a business apart and rebuild it with intention. They also talk about education, apprenticeship, the role of AI as an accelerant rather than a shortcut, and the difference between a job and a vocation. John is the author of Improve: A Good Idea, written with support from James McCabe. Timecode: 00:00 Welcome Back Netherlands 00:10 Miss O'Neill Lessons 01:26 Choosing Engineering Path 02:44 Education Learning By Doing 06:27 Kids Curiosity And Questions 07:52 Screens And School Tech 10:56 Point Solutions Explained 16:13 Compaq Integration And Ventis 18:58 Business Before Technology 20:38 Evolving Capventis Team 26:40 What Makes Ideas Work 28:01 Why Companies Get Stuck 33:50 Four Biases And Kaizen 41:00 Improvement By Design 43:32 Capability To Mastery 50:01 True Design Seven Elements 50:54 Things And Entities 52:05 Mapping Business Things 52:50 Relationships Matter Most 53:59 Process And Change 55:16 Collections And Knowledge 56:40 Structure The Quintessence 59:14 Space And Time Dimensions 01:00:08 Deconstruct And Reconstruct 01:06:32 AI As Accelerator 01:09:18 Brilliant Basics Adoption 01:14:03 Reinventing Technology Glue 01:23:56 Vocation And Work 01:29:11 Why Write Improve 01:32:31 Who The Book Is For 01:33:52 Closing Thanks And Future Guest links: John Glennane: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-glennane-bb7496/ Business: https://www.capventis.com/ Jens Links: ⁠https://www.jensheitland.com/links

    EP255 - John Glennane on Designing a Business Before You Automate It
  2. Jul 1

    EP253 - The European Perspective: Capability Without Visibility

    Europe is moving. Most people are not noticing. In episode, Jens Heitland sits down with Stewart Guenther, Stephen Brooks, and Annette Van Berge Henegouwen to go through the biggest European business stories of the week and what they actually mean for executives operating on this side of the Atlantic. This week, the Europa AI consortium secured European Commission funding to build an open-source frontier model in 24 languages. Conduct, a London-based data infrastructure company founded by former Palantir engineers, closed a 51 million Series A. Germany took a 40 percent stake in KNDS and cleared the path for a 20-billion-euro IPO. And the Franco-German FCAS sixth-generation fighter program was canceled after Airbus and Dassault failed to agree on leadership. The conversation moves across AI sovereignty, enterprise data infrastructure, defense investment, drone warfare, entrepreneurial visibility in Europe, and what organizations can learn from a collaboration that collapsed not because of technology but because of ego. Timecode: 00:00 European Perspective: Tech, Policy, and F Up of the Week 01:07 Technology 17:40 Success Story 35:21 Transformation & Change 49:52 Entrepreneurial Thinking 01:05:41 Fuckup of the Week Guests Links Stewart Guenther: https://www.linkedin.com/in/smguenther/ Annette Van Berge Henegouwen: https://www.annettevanbergehenegouwen.com/ Stephen Brooks: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenabrooks1/ Links Jens: =========================== Equipment and Software I Use for My Videos and Podcasts    Jens Equipment and Software overview: https://www.jensheitland.com/equipment =========================== Books that I read and recommend. My Book Recommendations: https://www.jensheitland.com/books =========================== Here are the ways to work with me: Speaking: https://www.jensheitland.com/speaking Leadership Skills Assessment: https://www.wearesucceed.com/ =========================== Connect with me!    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jensheitland/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/JensHeitlandofficial/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jensheitland/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@jensheitland X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/jensheitland Newsletter: https://www.jensheitland.com/newsletter =========================== Subscribe and Listen to The Jens Heitland Show Podcast HERE:  YT: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjuSGi1feauCNSER3IKuGWg Web: https://www.jensheitland.com/podcasthome Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-jens-heitland-show-human-innovation/id1545043872?uo=4 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7H0GWMGVALyXnnmstYA1NL =========================== Subscribe and Listen to The Daily Hint with Jens Heitland Podcast HERE:  YT: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2tLdutVh6b6nCBgWQ817eQ Web: https://www.jensheitland.com/the-daily-hint Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-daily-hint-with-jens-heitland/id1722930497 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4T02uYPvcOrajPC6FgH64r?si=8aab1e7683204160&nd=1&dlsi=0f69c72af017454a

    EP253 - The European Perspective: Capability Without Visibility
  3. Jun 4

    EP252 - Why Innovation in Large Organizations Has Almost Nothing to Do With Ambition

    Why Innovation in Large Organizations Has Almost Nothing to Do With Ambition A conversation with François Jacquemin There is a version of the innovation conversation that happens in boardrooms that sounds like this: move faster, think differently, embrace disruption. The language is confident. The direction feels clear. Then someone goes back to their desk inside a company that has operated successfully for forty years, and none of it is quite as simple as it sounded. François Jacquemin has worked inside and across large insurance organizations across Europe and globally. In this conversation we get into what innovation actually looks like from the inside, and what really drives it. The answer is less romantic than most accounts suggest. Innovation Follows Pressure, Not Vision Change clusters around problems that can no longer be ignored. In insurance, that might mean a shift from thermal to electric vehicles, or legislation that forces an entire market to respond at once. When that pressure arrives, focus follows. Budget follows. Organizations in the same market begin moving on similar challenges at the same time, not because they are watching each other, but because they are facing the same reality. The organizations worth studying are not the ones declaring the boldest ambitions. They are the ones that have built the conditions to respond when pressure arrives. The Edge and the Return When a large organization needs to move fast, the answer almost always involves building something small and separate. A team outside the normal structure, free from the weight of the core business. What tends to be underestimated is what happens next. At some point that work has to come back and be absorbed by the same system it was designed to change. That transition is where most of the real difficulty lives. Not in the original idea. In the reintegration. Legacy Is a History Problem, Not a Technology Problem Every layer of a large organization reflects a decision that once worked. The accumulated structure is not an accident. It is evidence of what kept the business alive. The Infrastructure Nobody Puts on a Slide What made François's global innovation networks function was not the agenda. It was the relationships that formed when people from different countries were in the same room. The colleague who reaches out years later because they remember a conversation. The team that moves faster because someone they trust is on the other end. You cannot mandate this. But you can create the conditions for it to form. What the Future Requires The future of insurance, in François's view, is a product that becomes invisible. Clients do not want to think about it. They want it to work and stay out of the way. Getting there inside organizations carrying decades of history is hard. It requires financial discipline, technical clarity, and the kind of human infrastructure that most organizations do not think to measure. The organizations that figure it out will not be the ones that talked the most about innovation. They will be the ones that quietly built the conditions for change to actually move. Timecode: 00:00 Why Insurance Feels Slow  01:27 Hidden Innovation in Insurance  05:47 The Client View vs What Is Actually Happening  08:23 How Culture Shapes Innovation Across Countries  10:28 Building Cross-Border Innovation Networks  14:55 Why Trust and Relationships Drive Results  16:46 Building Outside the Organization and Bringing It Back  20:18 Leadership That Enables Rather Than Controls  24:50 How Executive Sponsorship Actually Works  30:41 Empowerment as the Foundation of Innovation  35:18 Legacy Data and the Limits of AI  40:26 Startups, Outsourcing and the Future Model  45:05 Where Insurance Innovation Is Heading Guest Links: Guest: Francois Jacquemin LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fran%C3%A7ois-jacquemin/ Links: https://www.jensheitland.com/links

    EP252 - Why Innovation in Large Organizations Has Almost Nothing to Do With Ambition
  4. May 28

    EP251 - The New Climate Denial Is About Cost, Not Science

    The New Climate Denial Is About Cost, Not Science I have sat down with Brian Kilkelly twice now, and both conversations pushed me to think differently about long-term leadership. This time we met in London, continuing from where we left off two years ago, when Brian was working on using data to predict droughts and extreme weather. A lot has changed since then. Not in the science, but in the argument around it. As Brian described, climate denialism has faded as the main position. The world has seen fires in California, floods across European cities, and storms arriving with greater regularity and cost. The physics, as Brian put it, does not negotiate. But the opposition to action has not disappeared. It has changed shape. The new argument is not that climate change is fake. It is that net zero is too expensive. That the cost of living is too high. That green policy is being pushed onto ordinary people. It is a faster, more emotional story, and that makes it harder to counter. For leaders, this matters. Our teams, boards, and stakeholders are all hearing this noise. Building sustainable businesses is now more politically charged than it was a few years ago. What Brian keeps returning to is a simple but difficult question: why does this matter to you personally? Not as a communications exercise. Not as something to say in front of a board. But genuinely, as the person leading an organization, what is the actual reason you care about this? For Brian, that answer comes from his faith and his belief that we are stewards of this planet. His starting point does not need to be yours. It could be that you hate pollution, fear what your children will inherit, or have watched nature deteriorate in places you love. Whatever it is, knowing your own reason makes you a more authentic and resilient leader on this topic. One story from our conversation stayed with me. Brian ran a workshop with the management team of a major housing association. He asked everyone to draw a circle and write inside it everything they loved and valued about life. Family. Their neighborhood. Nature. Sports. The things that give life meaning. Then he showed them a photograph of Earth from space and said: everything inside your circle is sustained by that one planet. That reframe does something strategy documents and sustainability reports often cannot. It makes the work personal. It connects decarbonization targets and net-zero commitments to something people can feel. We also spoke about the economics of decarbonization. LED technology might pay back in a couple of years. Solar panels in seven or eight. A heat pump might take forty or fifty years. Under pressure, the instinct is to take the quick wins and delay the harder choices. For me, that is a leadership question as much as a financial one. CEOs and business owners are often trained to think in quarters, annual cycles, and immediate accountability. But doing the right thing does not always pay back straight away. The organizations that learn how to hold a long view while managing short-term pressure will be better positioned. Not only ethically, but commercially. Technology can help, including AI, but it cannot provide the reason for doing the work. Purpose has to come first. The tools serve the purpose. The work of restoring this planet is long. It will not pay back immediately. But that has never been a reason not to start. Highlights: 00:00 Reunion in London 00:55 Climate impacts update 01:43 Net zero backlash 04:39 Short term politics 07:20 Finding your why 10:12 Broken systems and leadership 12:47 Faith and restoration 15:04 Building a community 17:32 Blue planet exercise 19:59 Tech payback and AI 22:44 Measuring culture shift 27:05 How to connect 27:51 Eternity and closing https://www.jensheitland.com/links Guest Links: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kilkelly/

    EP251 - The New Climate Denial Is About Cost, Not Science
  5. May 14

    EP250 - The Leadership Crisis Hiding Behind an AI Strategy

    What happens to leadership when the world around it keeps accelerating? In this episode, the conversation moves across three connected pressures facing leaders right now: the rise of AI inside organizations, the noise and polarization coming from the outside world, and the slow erosion of basic human connection at work. Faris Aranki has spent years working with senior executive teams on strategy and how they function together. He brings a ground-level view of what is actually happening inside boardrooms, not what leaders say about AI, but how they are really responding to it. The gap between deciding on AI and understanding it is wider than most organizations want to admit. One affects momentum. One affects trust. One determines whether the change actually holds. When leaders avoid engaging with the tools they are deploying, teams feel it. When organizations change everything at once, they break. When human connection gets optimized away, the foundation quietly disappears. This episode looks at how good leadership principles do not change with the topic, why micro discomfort builds macro resilience, and why the most important thing a leader can do right now might have nothing to do with technology at all. In this episode, you will hear about: Why are so many senior leaders making AI decisions without using AI themselvesHow the best organizations distribute decisions across gold, silver, and bronze levelsWhat shadow boards are and why they surface what exec teams missWhy measuring tokens is the wrong metric and what to focus on insteadHow change fatigue is real and why teams never talk about it openlyWhy the Lindy effect still applies to leadership in an AI worldHow being human at work is more important now than it has ever beenIf you are thinking about leadership, organizational change, AI adoption, or staying grounded when everything around you is moving fast, this conversation offers something worth sitting with. Watch what changes when leaders stop pretending they have nothing left to learn

    EP250 - The Leadership Crisis Hiding Behind an AI Strategy
  6. Apr 23

    EP249 - Why Human Centered Design Matters More in an AI-Shaped Business Environment

    Why Human Centered Design Matters More in an AI-Shaped Business Environment Some ideas become so widely used that their meaning starts to weaken. Human-centered design has reached that point. It appears in strategy decks, innovation conversations, and transformation programs across industries. It often signals progress. It suggests the organization is thinking beyond systems and technology. But over time, the language can stay familiar while the depth behind it becomes less clear. That is why this conversation with Kara Prosser matters. Kara built her business around a clear belief. Experiences need to create value for humans while also supporting commercial growth. Many organizations still separate those two ideas. Human value sits in one conversation. Business performance sits in another. Design is expected to connect them somewhere in the middle. People do not experience an organization in separate parts. They move through one lived experience. That experience either feels clear or confusing. It either builds trust or creates distance. It either reduces friction or increases it. Kara describes human-centered design as a way of working across the full system. Designing with people, not only for them. Looking beyond one touchpoint. Staying iterative because behavior changes quickly. Making ideas tangible through prototypes and testing. Bringing the right people into the room early enough for stronger decisions. Healthcare makes this especially visible. In the episode, Kara discusses clinical trials, hospital systems, and the realities people face as they navigate healthcare. In those environments, poor design creates more than inconvenience. It causes confusion, stress, delays, and dropouts. Trust weakens at the moment it matters most. There is also a commercial effect. When people leave a clinical trial because the process is too difficult, timelines shift. Investment gets exposed. Access to the market slows down. A system that asks too much from people becomes more expensive for the business as well. One example in the conversation makes that tangible. Patients in a clinical trial were being asked to come in for blood draws 24 times a month. That was reduced to six. They were also given a pack to help explain the treatment to their children. Those changes improved adherence and reduced cost. AI is accelerating change across almost every industry. Workflows are being reconsidered. Expectations are shifting. People compare services more quickly, switch providers more quickly, and reassess value more often than before. Many businesses begin with capability. They ask what AI can automate, reduce, or scale. Those questions are valid. What often disappears too early is the human being moving through the system. One of the strongest points in this episode lies there. Start with the human experience. Then look at what technology can enable. Efficiency alone does not create loyalty. Speed alone does not create trust. More technology does not automatically create a better experience. The organizations that remain useful are often the ones that keep returning to a simple question: What is it actually like to be the human on the other side of this system? Highlights 00:32 Launching Design Four 03:08 Why Now Global Change 04:49 Who They Help Healthcare Focus 08:02 Human Centered Design Basics 10:39 Double Diamond Explained 11:44 Co Design In Organizations 12:55 Clinical Trials Co Design Example 16:04 Making The Business Case 16:59 Reducing Trial Dropouts 18:27 AI Disruption Reality 20:21 Behavior Shifts Opportunity 21:42 Rapid Co-Design Testing 23:08 AI Critical Thinking Limits 24:40 Synthetic Personas Futures 26:54 Scenario Planning Business 28:49 Human Centered North Star 29:35 Design Four Vision Ahead 31:07 Global Growth Plans 32:31 How To Connect 33:15 Closing Thanks Links: Website: ⁠⁠https://www.jensheitland.com/⁠⁠ Guest Links: LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/kara-prosser- Business:⁠ https://designfor.uk/

    EP249 - Why Human Centered Design Matters More in an AI-Shaped Business Environment
  7. Apr 9

    EP248 - When CEO Thought Leadership Becomes Infrastructure

    Why CEO Thought Leadership Becomes Effective Only When It Becomes Infrastructure Inside large organizations, thought leadership is often treated as output. Content is created, posts are published, and interviews are arranged. From an internal perspective, this creates activity. It signals movement and suggests that leadership visibility is being built. From the outside, a different dynamic begins to form. People do not evaluate the amount of content. They interpret patterns. And when those patterns are not stable, understanding does not fully develop. In many organizations, CEO visibility is managed in cycles. Campaigns are launched, topics are selected, content is distributed. This creates moments of visibility. But between those moments, something else appears. Silence. In that silence, interpretation begins to drift. Without continuity, each appearance is processed in isolation. A CEO may appear insightful in one moment and absent in the next. Over time, the market does not build a clear understanding of what that CEO stands for. The issue is not effort. It is structured. What changes the outcome is a shift in how thought leadership is understood. When it is treated as infrastructure, something more stable begins to form. Not as something that is produced, but as something that is built. Infrastructure introduces repetition. It creates continuity. It allows visibility to develop as a system rather than a sequence of isolated actions. Three layers define this system. Architecture is the foundation. This is where the CEO narrative is clearly defined and connected to the business. Not as a slogan, but as a perspective that reflects direction, credibility, and intent. When this layer is missing, content appears but does not connect. Messages are visible, but they do not accumulate. Maintenance creates continuity over time. Thought leadership does not form in short cycles. It builds through repetition across environments. Not only on one platform, but across the broader digital landscape. What repeats becomes familiar. What becomes familiar reduces distance. Alignment connects visibility to business direction. The CEO narrative reflects strategy. Communication aligns with priorities. Visibility supports the business without becoming promotional. The CEO serves as a reference point for understanding where the organization is headed. As this system develops, measurement becomes critical. Early signals appear as engagement, interest, and external recognition. Later, outcomes emerge as partnerships, opportunities, and revenue impact. When both are connected, patterns become visible, and the system can evolve. Over time, thought leadership begins to function differently. It is no longer dependent on individual moments. It becomes a system of trust. Visibility repeats. Interpretation stabilizes. Trust forms gradually. Not because people are persuaded, but because the pattern becomes predictable. At a broader level, people do not rely on isolated impressions. They rely on what they see consistently. And when that consistency is clear, understanding begins to settle. This is where thought leadership moves beyond content. It becomes part of how the organization is understood. Highlights: 00:00 CEO Leadership Shift 00:23 AMA Framework Overview 00:35 Architecture Narrative Build 01:50 Maintenance Long Game 02:25 Omnipresence Beyond LinkedIn 03:22 Alignment With Strategy 04:51 Measuring Signals 05:28 Conversions Business Impact 06:00 System Loop And Audit Links: Web: https://www.jensheitland.com/podcasthome Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-jens-heitland-show-human-innovation/id1545043872?uo=4 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7H0GWMGVALyXnnmstYA1NL

    EP248 - When CEO Thought Leadership Becomes Infrastructure
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Long form conversations with CEOs and senior leaders on leadership, decision making, and innovation inside complex organizations. Hosted by Jens Heitland, CEO of Heitland Media Group and former Global Head of Innovation at IKEA Centres. © The Jens Heitland Show - Heitland Media Group