The HealthTech Narrative Podcast

Divyam Tripathi

The HealthTech Narrative Podcast covers everything related to healthcare and technology and its impact in India. It covers topics related to healthtech innovation, investment and funding, regulation, with an emphasis on the healthtech startup ecosystem. This podcast is meant for investors, founders, doctors and everyone else interested in the healhtech space.

  1. 03/27/2024

    Ep 16 | Explainable AI - A Specific Use Case and General Principles w. Akash Parvatikar (HistoWiz)

    Back in 2021, Akash Parvatikar Co-authored a paper titled - 'Prototypical models for classifying high-risk atypical breast lesions'. The premise was that some breast lesions are particularly challenging to classify, leading to different pathologists making different diagnoses based on the same information. The paper aimed to reduce this variability by providing a consistent computational method.  A key contribution of this work is that the AI model can explain its recommendations in a way that is useful for clinical practice. This is important because doctors need to understand why an AI system has made a particular diagnosis to trust and act on its recommendations. In this episode, Akash discusses his work in relation to xAI in diagnosing breast cancer. He discusses the model he developed, which outperformed baseline models in detecting high-risk breast lesions. Akash emphasizes the importance of xAI in building trust and transparency in clinical decision-making tools and explains how his model incorporates explainability through feature detection and contribution scores. Akash emphasizes the need for explanations to be provided frequently to end users, as it plays a crucial role in building trust in AI systems. He also highlights the importance of involving domain experts in the development of AI models. 0:00 Intro 1:29 Achieving consistent diagnosis is crucial in patient care 4:45 Why does non-uniformity in diagnosis exist in among pathologists  9:40 What were the considerations for model preparation? 14:04 Components of the model and how they incorporate explainability 17:17 How explanation was incorporated - a simplified analogy  22:52 How does xAI manifest itself for pathologists? 26:54 Should explainability be a feature across all AI models in healthcare? 29:29 So explainability in drug discovery is pointless? 31:00 Frequency of explainability 33:51 Domain experts need to be in the loop when building AI models 36:00 Outro  You can reach out to Akash on his LinkedIn at - https://www.linkedin.com/in/akash007/

    37 min
  2. 03/01/2024

    Ep 14 | Medical Device - Matching Needs to Regulatory Approval with Nitesh Kumar Jangir (InAccel)

    Nitesh heads product development and commercialisation at InAccel (a medical device company from India), and has been referred to as a trailblazer by the Royal College of Engineering.  In this episode, Nitesh discusses his background and role within InAccel. He shares his experience with the Stanford India BioDesign Program and how it shaped his approach to health technology innovation. Nitesh explains the process of identifying critical unmet needs (in the Indian and global healthcare space) and prioritising which problems to tackle through medical device innovation. He also discusses the journey from identifying a healthcare need to bringing a regulatory certified product to market, using VapCare as a case study. Nitesh also shares his perspective on the FDA and CE Mark regulatory pathways and his vision for making India a manufacturing hub for medical devices. He also provides advice for innovators in health tech and discusses building for different market segments. Nitesh highlights the impact of his work and the recognition he has received for his contributions to healthcare. 1:24 What does it mean to get into product development and commercialisation for med devices? 2:23 Experience with Stanford India BioDesign Programme 4:18 Unmet critical needs - how to prioritise them and evaluate prospective impact? 5:38 Regulatory pathways as a lens to evaluate creation of a medical device? 6:31 Volume of medical needs requiring solutions that don't need higher regulatory pathways 7:14 Top 2 filters to assess unmet critical medical needs 9:30 Journey from identifying a healthcare need to bringing a regulatory certified product to market 18:04 Preference between #CE Mark and #fda 19:56 The amended UK MDR 21:06 FDA clearance helps enter other developing nations 22:10 Regulating #ai  - screening versus diagnostic - brief thoughts 23:50 Hopes from and working with Indian regulators 24:45 VapCare - Process of demonstrating product efficacy and safety 29:17 Medical device developed. Now how to ensure effective implementation? Reach Nitesh via his LinkedIn here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nitesh-ku...

    41 min
  3. 02/20/2024

    Ep 13 | UX and Medical Education as a barrier to digital health with Dr. Jaideep Rayapudi

    Dr. Jaideep Rayapudi is the VP of Clinical Solutions at Precognitas, an #ai #healthcare company that offers its solutions to organisations and care communities in the US. But he also pushes for digital health adoption in India. He's well placed to provide a critical and unique perspective of the same and he discusses the role of AI-driven solutions in healthcare and the challenges and opportunities in the Indian healthcare ecosystem. He compares the healthcare infrastructure and technology adoption in the US and India, highlighting the solid base of digital infrastructure being built under the #abdm and how that already puts us in an advantageous position. Having said that, Dr. Jaideep points out the importance of education and mindset change in the medical community to drive technology adoption. This, he says, is the biggest barrier to adopting digital solutions and is not a problem that can be solved easily. 0:00 Dr. Jaideep wants to will tech adoption for healthcare in India - true? 1:40 healthcare analytics and AI to provides better community care in the US 3:30 Impact of work in the US and #sdoh 5:46 India vs US in terms of healthcare infra,  data avb. and tech adoption 8:51 Problems of data infrastructure are similar in India and the US 11:46 Fear of the unknown and tech adoption in healthcare 14:39 Transcribing software is symptomatic of rotten UX and not upto standard use cases 17:25 Strength and weakness of AI application in Indian healthcare 20:00 Digital infra or Digital mindset - biggest blocker to tech adoption? 23:34 Concern is the doctor who is in the 30's / 40's age group 26:24 Balancing | 100 + patients a day vs tech adoption headaches 30:00 An AI application that holds most amount of promise in India 31:15 Google Gemini and a healthcare business Dr. Jaideep comes across as someone who is revolutionary in his thinking and provided perspectives on #ai and #healthtech in India that I have not heard before. He can be reached on LinkedIn here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jdrayapudi/

    34 min
  4. 02/06/2024

    Ep 12 | Venture Studio in HealthTech - A CFO Perspective with Bhavesh Hemani

    In this episode of 'The HealthTech Narrative Podcast' Bhavesh Hemani, Group CFO at 2070 Health and W Health Ventures, puts his CFO hat on, and brings 2 decades of his experience to talk about what #healthtech startups should be thinking about when building for India and the world. Hear what a CFO has to say on all things #digitalhealth. He, discusses the venture studio model and the support and resources that #healthtech entrepreneurs can expect from partnering with 2070 Health. He explains the equity arrangements and resource contributions made by 2070 Health, and what could make them restructure any equity arrangement at a later stage. Hear Bhavesh's thoughts on building in / for rural / urban India. 2070 Health works with #digitalhealth startups catering to both, emerging and established markets - hear what he has to say on the important points to consider when working with such startups. In the Phy-gital (read omni-channel) space, what role does the digital play? Bhavesh discusses the challenges and opportunities of investing in R&D-intensive startups and the risk management strategies for investing in emerging markets. He concludes by emphasising the importance of passion and shared vision in founders. 0:00 Introduction 0:26 The Venture Studio Model of 2070 Health 5:34 How does 2070 approach equity arrangements and resource provision? 7:42 Open to re-structuring equity arrangements at a later stage? 9:55 Financial Indicators and Investment Decisions 13:09 What Bhavesh means by 'Pace at which you scale' 15:45 Rural Vs. Urban - where is it more expensive to build and deploy? 18:20 International Operations and Building From India 24:46 Integrating Digital and Physical Healthcare 27:30 Data Privacy Laws and Cost Compliance 30:39 Desirable traits in #healthtech founders 33:50 HEAR THIS IF YOU WANT TO PARTNER WITH 2070 :)

    36 min

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The HealthTech Narrative Podcast covers everything related to healthcare and technology and its impact in India. It covers topics related to healthtech innovation, investment and funding, regulation, with an emphasis on the healthtech startup ecosystem. This podcast is meant for investors, founders, doctors and everyone else interested in the healhtech space.