DNA Clarity and Support

Brianne Kirkpatrick Williams
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DNA discoveries change lives and redefine the meaning of family and personal identity. Join Brianne, a genetic counselor and founder of Watershed DNA, as she dives into challenging issues with authors, leaders, and creatives in the DNA world. Made for adoptees, NPEs, donor-conceived people, their families, genealogists, search angels, and genetic counselors, hear from guests with a variety of perspectives. Learn about resources to help you navigate the next steps, whether you are new to a surprise DNA discovery or are living it. Visit WatershedDNA.com for more.

  1. "Take a deep breath...feel whatever it is you're feeling" - a conversation with Maria Leonard Olsen

    12/23/2025

    "Take a deep breath...feel whatever it is you're feeling" - a conversation with Maria Leonard Olsen

    As a gift for being a speaker at Mixed Remixed, a conference with corporate sponsorship by 23andMe, Maria Leonard Olsen received a free DNA test. Weeks later, when the results came back, Maria was shocked when the results identified genetic ancestry that didn't match her family's story...and led to the realization that the father who raised her wasn't biologically related. Maria's discovery that she's an NPE was one in a series of major life shocks she has weathered. From surviving childhood trauma to achieving sobriety, Maria has turned the adversity she's faced into inspiring TEDx talks, a podcast, presentations, and multiple books. Her next book, which covers the gamut of topics raised by consumer DNA testing, is due out in 2026. In our conversation, we covered: The identity shift that comes from finding out the father who raised you is not biologically-related Meeting new biological relatives (including her biological father, who was also surprised to find out about her)The challenges in embracing a shift in your cultural and ethnic identity in adulthood, after having formed a coherent personal identityHow others in the family reacted to the surprise DNA news (including her mother's reaction, and her son's)Sharing your personal story to encourage others to grab hold of their lives and create their own meaning and purposeMaria's top three takeaway messages from her upcoming book about DNA surprises We also chat about the book Maria will be publishing in 2026 that brings the DNA test industry and surprise DNA discoveries into the spotlight for the general audience who might not yet have encountered a DNA surprise. Maria's professional background as a lawyer and her up-close-and-personal experience of a DNA discovery make her a powerful figure in the world of DNA support and a fitting guest for this next episode of DNA Clarity and Support. You can read Maria's full bio and history: On WatershedDNA.com and On Maria's website, marialeonardolsen.com

    29 min
  2. Arnold shares about the biological father experience of a surprise DNA discovery

    11/25/2025

    Arnold shares about the biological father experience of a surprise DNA discovery

    DNA discoveries often arrive without warning, reshaping families in ways that are both tender and complex. It’s not too often we hear from the parents in a DNA discovery, and even less often that a surprised biological father shares his experience. Today’s guest, Arnold (shared with permission), reflects on the past six years since he first learned he had a biological daughter he never knew existed. His story is one of vulnerability and openness, of loss and healing, and finding courage to reveal a surprise child discovery after years of choosing not to share. This episode covers: Arnold’s experience of preparing to share about his biological child discovery, first with his wife and later his children Arnold (and his late wife’s) decision to meet his biological daughter in person and develop a relationship with her privately Finding community with other bio dads and from online support groups How coaching with Brianne set him up for success in sharing the surprise news Stories like Arnold’s remind us that surprise DNA discoveries are not a one-time event. They unfurl over multiple years, changing lives irreversibly. They send some people through grief first on the way to healing. The ripples of secrets keep going through generations until someone decides it’s time for something different. Arnold’s journey is the experience of one person and their decisions. No two surprise DNA discoveries are the same. What Arnold’s story teaches is that preparation can’t be rushed. Growth comes in unexpected ways and can’t be set by anyone else’s timeline. Perhaps most importantly, new family connections—when handled with care—can become a source of new family relationship, and meaning can come again even after unexpected and devastating losses. Read more from Arnold's original post in 2019 and his recent update on the Watershed DNA blog. Have a question for Arnold? Leave a comment! He's promised to come back on a future episode to answer listeners' pressing questions.

    43 min
  3. When the professional meets the personal: a conversation with genetic counselor Jen Jacober

    11/04/2025

    When the professional meets the personal: a conversation with genetic counselor Jen Jacober

    In this episode of DNA Clarity and Support, Brianne talks with Jen Jacober, a genetic counselor who brings a deeply personal perspective to her work. Jen is a late-discovery donor-conceived person, and she opens up about what it was like to learn this truth as an adult—and how that experience has shaped her understanding of herself and influenced her professional practice. Our conversation explores the intersection of personal experience and genetic counseling, offering insight into what it means to navigate both sides of the story: as the helper and the helped, the counselor and the client, the DNA test consumer and genetics educator. This episode covers: the impact on Jen’s professional work as a genetic counselor after her donor conception discovery memories from the conversation with her mom online therapy sessions to work through the discovery advice for parents who need to share about donor conception with their adult child meeting other genetic counselors who are also DCPs the challenge and need for continuing education for genetic counselors on donor conception issues the status of her relationship with her mom experiencing the loss of her father identifying and communicating with her egg donor Read Jen’s guest blog post and reach out to her (Jennifer.jacober1@gmail.com) if you’d like to connect. Resources mentioned in this episode include Donor Sibling Registry and MPEcounseling.org, the latter being a directory of counselors and therapists specializing in supporting clients through their DNA and misattributed parentage discoveries. Like what you heard today? Drop us a comment to let us know what you liked about this episode and hope to hear from future episodes! A note for parents: Need help preparing to share about donor conception with your adult child? Read more here, and reach out to Watershed DNA for help. Sharing with your child about their donor conception is important, and you don’t have to go it alone!

    32 min
  4. In helping others, you're helping yourself - Maggy reflects on her 12-and-a-half years as an NPE

    10/28/2025

    In helping others, you're helping yourself - Maggy reflects on her 12-and-a-half years as an NPE

    Maggy was the family genealogist who dedicated her heart and time to developing the family tree branches far and wide. A month after distributing a book of their genealogy to her excited family, she discovered the book no longer included her. Over the past 12-and-a-half years since her surprise DNA discovery, Maggy has been on a long and winding journey grappling with her identity and navigating changes in her relationships. Maggy shares encouragement with other NPEs and advice for finding the community that fits your needs. She shares her experience of using a painful discovery to help others (and help yourself in the process).  Read the two guest posts Maggy wrote about her experiences: Self Identity Reflections from Maggy Eight Years of Life as an NPE This episode covers: The NPE (not parent expected) experienceWriting as a means of healingIdentity shifts over timeNature and nurtureBecoming a DNA search helper for othersFinding communityTurning a painful experience into support for others Hang around to the end of this conversation because Maggy and I also delve into the related but distinct DNA topic of forensic genetic genealogy! Also called investigative genetic genealogy (IGG), this is the application of DNA testing, match lists, and online family trees to solve genetic mysteries, missing persons, and crimes. Those interested in more on the IGG topic can also learn more from the interview with  J.C. Kenney in season 2. Two search angel groups get a special shout-out in this episode. These are places I commonly refer my clients, readers, and listeners. If you reach out to these groups to seek help or to become a search angel, be sure to let them know Watershed DNA sent you! DNAngels.org DiscoverFamily.net Like what you heard? Follow DNA Clarity and Support and never miss an episode!

    39 min

  5. 05/16/2022

    Stigma, health, DNA, and adoptee rights: a discussion about the changing landscape in America

    Gabrielle Glaser is a New York Times bestselling author and journalist whose work on mental health, medicine, and culture has appeared in The New York Times Magazine, The New York Times, and many other publications. Her fourth book "American Baby: A Mother, a Child, and the Shadow History of Adoption" chronicles the history of adoption in post-World War II America specifically through the story of one family touched by adoption. On today's episode, Glaser talks with DNA Clarity and Support host Brianne Kirkpatrick Williams about the history of coerced adoption in the United States and the influence of culture and stigma on women who under other circumstances might have chosen to parent. Glaser comments on the most shocking discovery she made while researching the history of American adoptions in the post-war era and comments on the frequency of DNA testing in the stories she heard while writing American Baby. The guest and host reflect on the importance of family medical history and how this affected David, the adoptee who is at the center of the story American Baby follows. Finally, Glaser shares what drew her to cover the topic of adoption history in the United States and her reaction to the reception of American Baby after its publication.  Follow the author on Twitter @GabrielleGlaser or visit her website https://gabrielleglaser.com/about/ and find American Baby in print, Ebook, or audio version. Subscribe to our newsletter and never miss out on new resources, upcoming events, and other updates in the world of DNA testing, family searches, and unexpected discoveries from WatershedDNA.com.

    40 min

  6. 04/22/2022

    Don't lose sight of your why

    In this episode, Brianne interviews author Diahan Southard, creator of Your DNA Guide, who brings a much-needed dose of enthusiasm to the talk about genealogy, a biological parent search, and DNA testing! Diahan's perspective adds balance to the conversation about the role and value of DNA and how it connects us to relatives living and those already passed.   Listen as Diahan shares how her own DNA story began, starting in the early 2000s when the world of genetic genealogy was just getting started!  Diahan's PLAN for approaching DNA testing has five key steps. Learn what she means by:  - Are you asking a good DNA question?  - Are you testing the right person?  - Are you taking the right kind of DNA test?   - Have you chosen the right testing company?  - Are you performing the appropriate kind of analysis? Diahan's step-wise approach to DNA testing helps people needing an organized approach, whether you're searching for biological relatives or are using it for your family's genealogy research.  Confused by the various types of "cousin"? Diahan gives a clear explanation of the difference between a first, second, and more distant cousin and how the terms "removed" and "half" fit in.  Wondering whether to test yourself or another relative for genealogical purposes? Diahan shares her reasoning for starting with a test on the oldest living relative who is willing to test. Trying to put pieces together to figure out who in a family is someone's biological father? We discuss the need to be slow and methodical as you go through results and so you don't jump to the wrong conclusion, like naming the wrong brother as someone's biological father. Overwhelmed by words you come across in the DNA world like mitochondria, autosomal DNA, centimorgan, or Y chromosome? Diahan takes the mystery out of these and other commonly used terms. If you decide DNA testing might hold the key to answering your questions, know that there are sites like YourDNAGuide that help you get going and unstuck along the way and sites like Watershed DNA when an unexpected finding comes along.   Find a copy of the book Your DNA Guide on Amazon in paperback or e-book  or directly from Diahan's site (use the code "WatershedDNA" for a 20% discount!) and follow Diahan on social media Instagram @diahansouthard  Twitter @DNAdiahan  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/YourDNAGuide/ Find more resources and guidance on WatershedDNA.com. Sign up for the monthly newsletter and never miss a new episode or announcement!

    44 min
  7. Solving crimes with DNA testing: understanding the basics

    03/25/2022

    Solving crimes with DNA testing: understanding the basics

    Did you know that if you test at FamilyTreeDNA, all you have to do is check a box of approval during the DNA kit registration process, and your DNA results and online family tree are automatically opted into a program that helps investigators work to solve cold cases? I invited author J.C. Kenney to talk about the 4th book in his Allie Cobb series of mystery novels. In A Deadly Discovery, a consumer DNA test and genetic genealogy course taught at the local library lead to the solving of a decades-old murder mystery in a small town in Indiana.  You need not be a true crime fan or a DNA expert to learn from today's episode! Our conversation hones in on the highlights of DNA and crime investigation and is a great intro for those unfamiliar with investigative genetic genealogy, often shortened to IGG.  Things we touch on in this discussion:  Resources for learning more about IGG  What is a "cozy mystery"   How the town of Nashville, Indiana plays into it all  Things we don't address in today's discussion? Ethicals gray zones and real-life criminal cases involving consumer DNA tests. We'll have to save that for a future episode of DNA Clarity and Support with a different author! In the meantime, you can read more about this topic (and some of Brianne's thoughts about consumer DNA testing and IGG) in an article by Ariel Ramchandani in Mother Jones magazine. As we near the end of season 2 of DNA Clarity and Support and plan for a sabbatical over the summer months, we are curious to know what you think. Heard an episode this season that had an impact on you, and now you can't stop thinking about something you heard? Tell us about it! Recently finished a book related to a DNA discovery and you want to hear more from the author in a Q&A with Brianne? Send us your feedback and some questions you'd like us to ask of future guests! Season 3 is in its planning stages right now, and we need YOUR help to make it a great one!  Read J.C. Kenney's novel A Deadly Discovery on your e-reader or mobile device. (Make sure to check out the first three books in the series, too.) Go back and catch up on past episodes of DNA Clarity and Support and join the mailing list at WatershedDNA.com to never miss and episode or an announcement of new resources.

    20 min

  8. 03/08/2022

    Everyone deserves the right to know where they came from

    Michael Blair knew from the age of 12 that his dad was not his biological father, but it was something not spoken about in the family. After years spent chasing down every last lead on his biological paternity, Michael's search entered a new phase when a consumer DNA test connected him to paternal DNA relatives. The up-and-down journey, the people he came to know along the way, and the new understanding he has of his parents are all documented in his memoir, I Had My Underwear on the Entire Time. This lovely episode includes a drop-in visit from his wife, Amy, co-author and #1 supporter of Michael in his search for information. Who is this episode for? Anyone nervous to begin a search, anyone who has found their expectations shattered, and anyone who just needs to know they are not alone if their DNA story isn't like a Hallmark movie. Find wisdom and solace from Michael and Amy, no matter your role in a DNA search and discovery.  Some unique parts of Michael's story will resonate with listeners, such as the discovery that the biological family he found had already been through its own ups and downs in the past. There were pre-existing divisions within the family, and complicating factors that led some to embrace Michael while others did not. Step-parents and and parents raising a child who isn't biologically related will also find comfort in Michael's advice to parents that no parent is perfect, you just have to do your best to be honest with your child. Other parts of the discussion cover: The role of a Thanksgiving turkey in Michael's search(!) Michael's current relationships with his mom, dad (the step-father who adopted him as a toddler), and biological father  Michael's participation in advocacy efforts to open access to original birth certificates in the state of Iowa  The vital role of medical history in his story The value of therapy in coping with mental health struggles  Resources Michael found helpful, including MPEcounseling.org and NPE Friends Fellowship Read in paperback Read the E-book  (Note: If you don't own a Kindle, you can download the Kindle app for free on your device and read that way.) Listen to other episodes about misattributed parentage and family secrets on DNA Clarity and Support Follow our newsletter and never miss other updates, resources, and podcast episodes!

    37 min
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DNA discoveries change lives and redefine the meaning of family and personal identity. Join Brianne, a genetic counselor and founder of Watershed DNA, as she dives into challenging issues with authors, leaders, and creatives in the DNA world. Made for adoptees, NPEs, donor-conceived people, their families, genealogists, search angels, and genetic counselors, hear from guests with a variety of perspectives. Learn about resources to help you navigate the next steps, whether you are new to a surprise DNA discovery or are living it. Visit WatershedDNA.com for more.

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  • Creator
    Brianne Kirkpatrick Williams
  • Years Active
    2021 - 2025
  • Episodes
    21
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © Brianne Kirkpatrick Williams
  • Show Website
    DNA Clarity and Support

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