Making Sense of Martech

Monarch
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Unfiltered takes on the biggest shifts in marketing technology. We spotlight what matters, who's leading (or lagging), and what's next. In Martech, clarity is power — and we're here to deliver it.

  1. 6d ago ·  Video

    The Dumb Pipe with Peter Oleson (Part 1)

    "By definition, most marketing automation platforms are creating silos, not breaking them down. They're in the business of creating copies of data." — Peter Peter Oleson spent years inside the machine. Salesforce Marketing Cloud architect at Merkle, then Iterable, running live demos of the exact journey builders he now argues are the wrong model. Today, he's making the case that marketing automation platforms should stop trying to be the brain and start being a better pipe.  That is a specific, testable claim, and Jacqueline holds it to the fire – oh, and this is just Part 1. Part 2 next week. The central bet is worth stating plainly: Marketing Automation Platforms (MAPs) should stop trying to understand the customer and instead become the system that reliably executes a decision made elsewhere. If Peter is right, an entire category of enterprise software loses its core value proposition. If he is wrong, he is selling a solution that requires a seven-figure engineering headcount that never appears on any vendor invoice. This episode covers accountability in the age of AI agents, the real cost structures of composable versus bundled platforms, why "breaking down data silos" has always been more of a sales pitch than an architectural reality, and which move by a modern MAP would fundamentally reshape the competitive landscape. Timestamps 03:12 — The Sendomatic 5000: marketing automation's humble beginnings 11:40 — Vote with your feet: why talk is cheap in martech 13:00 — Before AI agents, humans were already getting it wrong 15:19 — You can't abdicate accountability to AI agents 21:45 — Composable martech finally unites lifecycle and performance teams 25:14 — Data portability isn't a tax. It's an investment with dividends 37:50 — Who becomes the first modern "dumb pipe"? 41:40 — Unify the data, personalize the moment: why every martech pitch sounds the same 49:04 — When the data silo is your only lifeline Sponsor Brought to you by Hightouch, the leading composable CDP and decisioning platform trusted by brands like Domino's, Chime, and Aritzia. 90% of customers have a real use case live within their first week, delivering world-class personalization at scale. Learn more at hightouch.com/msom. Connect & Subscribe Subscribe to Making Sense of Martech wherever you get your podcasts. Follow us on TikTok, LinkedIn, and don't forget to like and subscribe on YouTube.

    The Dumb Pipe with Peter Oleson (Part 1)

  2. Sep 2 ·  Video

    Inside the RCS Approval Black Box with Stephanie Griffith

    Stephanie Griffith has experience in retention and lifecycle marketing across brand, agency, and platform roles, making her a rare, credible voice on RCS business messaging. In this episode, she sits at the center of a real contradiction: selling brands on a channel that runs 15-30% CTR, with standout campaigns topping 50, while those same brands sit in an 8-to-16-week carrier-approval queue with no clear timeline on the other side. This is an honest breakdown of what the RCS approval process actually requires, where brands consistently blow it, and why the wait is still worth it.  Stephanie also argues that SMS optimization and RCS prep are not competing priorities. They run in parallel, and the brands treating them that way will hit the ground running when the channel opens up. Timestamps 01:35 — From CheetahMail to Klaviyo: Fourteen years, one career arc, told through the tools she's used. 01:50 — Kill Email, Make Room for Better: Email hasn't evolved in 20+ years, and it's built on bad consent. Time's up. 03:58 — SaaS Shilling Has No Credibility: Calling out influencers who evangelize whatever platform pays them, no receipts required. 05:15 — Three Hottest Takes in Marketing: It depends is the only honest best practice. Send fewer, better messages. 06:10 — Selling Patience to a Q4 Brand: The RCS wait isn't downtime; it's the exact moment for SMS optimization. 34:34 — RCS: The Great Equalizer: The only channel that satisfies marketers and consumers at once, no download required. 35:20 — Consumers Are Already Here: Brands aren't introducing RCS. They're catching up to what people already use daily. 42:00 — Even Google Isn't Done Building: Adopting RCS now doesn't put brands behind. It puts them right where the platform is. Sponsor Brought to you by Hightouch, the leading composable CDP and decisioning platform trusted by brands like Domino's, Chime, and Aritzia. 90% of customers have a real use case live within their first week, delivering world-class personalization at scale. Learn more at hightouch.com/msom. Connect & Subscribe Subscribe to Making Sense of Martech wherever you get your podcasts. Follow us on TikTok, LinkedIn, and don't forget to like and subscribe on YouTube.

    Inside the RCS Approval Black Box with Stephanie Griffith

  3. Aug 26 ·  Video

    How Babylist Gained 600 Hours Back with Elizabeth Martin

    "There is a version of AI adoption where efficiency just becomes a euphemism for doing more with less: you automate 30% of somebody's work, immediately fill that capacity with more work, and just move on." — Elizabeth Elizabeth Martin's team at Babylist cut newsletter production time from 2 hours to 15 minutes, freeing up 600 hours a year, using Claude, an Iterable MCP, and a Notion-based copy pipeline. Her AI-lifecycle-marketing system has been called one of the most advanced MCP implementations among her ESP's clients, built in three months, with every failure documented along the way. This isn't a theoretical AI conversation. Elizabeth walks through QA failures, an API key gap caught live on air, and what "30% more output" really costs a team, inside a company expanding into new verticals while the U.S. birth rate hits a generational low. Timestamps 03:00 — The Role-Blurring Tax: The same AI capability that grants independence also creates friction when a team is expected to be experts in everything; the cognitive and labor load quietly expands alongside the power. 07:10 — Independence as the Real AI Dividend: Beyond workflow automation, Claude gave Elizabeth's team direct access to their data layer and API triggers, blurring the line between engineering and lifecycle marketing. 12:11 — Hiring While Using AI: Babylist is growing headcount, not cutting it. AI as a tool to do more with more, not to replace workers. 16:30 — Security, HIPAA, and the Line You Don't Cross: How Babylist keeps registry data and HIPAA-protected health data cleanly separated across systems. 22:11 — What the MCP Still Can't Do: Journey tile QA, audience field definitions, and multivariate notification tests are the real gaps behind the "most advanced" headline. 23:30 — The Moat Is the People: Asked whether the competitive advantage is the tool or something else, Elizabeth's answer is unambiguous: it's the people. Technology augments the engine, but the engine is human. 25:45 — The Pod Model and the Seat at the Table: Embedding lifecycle marketers directly into product team standups changed what the function owns, driving end-to-end strategy through production rather than being pulled in at the end to send a triggered email. 30:05 — Anyone Can Create an MCP: A real governance risk hiding inside MCP democratization: the line between empowerment and security exposure is thinner than most teams realize and requires active, ongoing conversation with an AI enablement team. 33:22 — Efficiency as Euphemism Warning: Why AI efficiency can quietly become code for doing more with less and the better bet marketing leaders should make instead. 35:55 — Slow Down to Speed Up: Real AI automation requires upfront investment in documentation and process clarity. If you want to automate a year from now, start writing everything down today. 45:36 — Fastest AI Wins Are in Verification, Not Creation: Babylist cut newsletter production from 12 hours to 15 minutes mostly by automating quality assurance, reframing where teams should look first when adopting AI. Sponsor Brought to you by Hightouch, the leading composable CDP and decisioning platform trusted by brands like Domino's, Chime, and Aritzia. 90% of customers have a real use case live within their first week, delivering world-class personalization at scale. Learn more at hightouch.com/msom. Connect & Subscribe Subscribe to Making Sense of Martech wherever you get your podcasts. Follow us on TikTok, LinkedIn, and don't forget to like and subscribe on YouTube.

    How Babylist Gained 600 Hours Back with Elizabeth Martin

  4. Aug 19 ·  Video

    Lipstick on a Pig

    I was the one in the hot seat this time. Bloomreach's Divya Mulanjur flipped the mic on me... Connect & Subscribe Subscribe to Making Sense of Martech wherever you get your podcasts. Follow us on TikTok, LinkedIn, and don't forget to like and subscribe on YouTube.

    Lipstick on a Pig

  5. Aug 19 ·  Video

    The Human Behind The Humans of Martech with Phil Gamache

    "AI-powered is one thing, but I feel like we're seeing this renewed focus on human-powered. Buying the tool is just a tiny little part of that journey, making the most of it, getting it implemented; there's a human story there." — Phil Gamache One year of Making Sense of Martech, and for the anniversary episode, Jacqueline brought in her main competitor: Phil Gamache, host of Humans of Martech and one of the most honest voices in marketing operations. Six years in, Phil treats practitioners not as insight-dispensing experts but as actual humans navigating a chaotic, often lonely job. He's still figuring it out alongside everyone else. That's the point. His in-house career spans 13 years across WordPress, Close.com, and everything in between. Now a full-time solo creator, he runs a production stack powered by Claude and Cursor, crafts episode cover art in Midjourney by hand, and has strong opinions about why nobody should let a language model make every decision for them. This one gets into the martech island problem, what actually made Humans of Martech a viable business, the attribution philosophy battle, and why the vendors winning in 2026 are leading with humans, not features. Timestamps 03:06 — Why Humans of Martech Really Exists: Built for practitioners lost on the martech island, including people who just lost their jobs and don't know what's next. Never about consulting leads. Always about the humans. 08:00 — AI-Powered Is the Default Now: The new differentiator isn't having AI in your stack; it's how well you show the product and the humans behind it. Buyers are increasingly making decisions on vibes, not G2 scores. 18:30 — You're Not Alone on the Island: The core emotional value of Humans of Martech: knowing that practitioners at Canva, Uber, and Meta are wrestling with the same problems you are is genuinely reassuring. 25:01 — AI Mock Interview for Guest Prep: Phil uses Claude Code to build a dynamic guest persona, run a mock interview across three rounds, and surface better questions through iterative, AI-driven prep before a human ever reads the output. 33:00 — The Full Production Stack: From transcript ingestion to blog post generation to Midjourney cover art by hand, Phil walks through every node in his solo creator workflow and where human judgment still has to show up. 41:42 — The Empathy Gap in AI Hype: If you're not getting laid off, you're five times more stressed with five times more expected output. The practitioners behind the tools are caught in a genuinely difficult inflection point. 51:18 — Attribution Is a Philosophy Battle: Getting attribution right is a philosophical one: data teams think like statisticians, marketers think like investors, and those two worldviews have to be reconciled before any tool can help. 55:54 — Truth, Feeling Seen, and What's Next: The show's enduring mission: bring truth to the industry and help practitioners feel seen. One year in, that mission is just getting started. Sponsor Brought to you by Hightouch, the leading composable CDP and decisioning platform trusted by brands like Domino's, Chime, and Aritzia. 90% of customers have a real use case live within their first week, delivering world-class personalization at scale. Learn more at hightouch.com/msom. Connect & Subscribe Subscribe to Making Sense of Martech wherever you get your podcasts. Follow us on TikTok, LinkedIn, and don't forget to like and subscribe on YouTube.

    The Human Behind The Humans of Martech with Phil Gamache

  6. Aug 13 ·  Video

    Icarus Met His Maker: Why We Trusted the Wrong People

    We're going down the rabbit hole together again in this week's second Breakdown essay episode. Be sure to listen to part 1 first here. Greek mythology meets the Hunger Games. Borrowed wings, borrowed fire, borrowed trust. 🔥🪽 Connect & Subscribe Subscribe to Making Sense of Martech wherever you get your podcasts. Follow us on TikTok, LinkedIn, and don't forget to like and subscribe on YouTube.

    Icarus Met His Maker: Why We Trusted the Wrong People

  7. Aug 12 ·  Video

    Industry Awards: Earned, Bought, or Invented? with Jonathan Harrop

    "You're on the receiving end of a coordinated PR campaign." - Jonathan 80% CSAT wins trophies. That's a problem. What does it actually take to win an industry award worth winning? Jonathan Harrop has been on both sides: he's judged at the Drum Awards and spent years at AdColony running a $6 million global marketing budget that produced over 200 wins across Ad Age, MMA, Smarties, Adweek, and the Drum. He knows how winning entries are built, what judges are really looking for, and where the whole system falls apart. This episode is not a takedown of awards culture, nor is it a defense of it. It is a sharp, honest account of how the game actually works, from AI-written entries getting zeroed out in jury rooms to government budget claims that defy how policy actually moves. Jonathan also pulls back the curtain on Forbes 30 Under 30, pay-to-play structures, reader polls as legitimacy theater, and the one signal that probably tells you more about a vendor than any trophy ever will. Timestamps 02:05 — The Networking Case for Showing Up: Even if you only make the shortlist, attending the ceremony is worth it; the room is full of peers you'd otherwise never meet. 03:05 — Reverse-Engineering What Judges Want: The submitter seat teaches more than the judge seat because winning at scale forces you to systematically decode what passes the first filter before an entry ever reaches a judge. 04:32 — AI Entries Getting Zeroed Out: Judges are now zeroing out entries that read as AI-generated because reused winning phrases signal zero effort, and effort is exactly what judges are supposed to be rewarding. 14:38 — Operationalizing an Awards Campaign: Jonathan breaks down the full process of building a winning submission, from early result tracking to video case studies and cost management, and what it actually takes to scale a program to 200-plus wins on a limited budget. The unglamorous version. 22:45 — Company Awards Are Sales Tools: Best-places-to-work and technology innovation awards are fundamentally sales assets, a sticker for a deck that a salesperson shows a buyer, not signals of genuine excellence the way campaign awards are. 28:45 — DM9 vs. Havas: Which Is Worse? DM9 fabricated evidence and was caught; Havas Costa Rica's "Lessons of Shame" claimed a $73M budget shift and the reshaping of four presidential platforms. None of which could be verified. The award still stands. The case that wasn't caught may be the more dangerous precedent. 38:22 — Rating Manipulation Is Everywhere: App stores, review platforms, and survey flows are routinely engineered to funnel satisfied users toward public ratings and dissatisfied users toward private feedback, making most star-rating signals structurally gamed. 48:35 — Perception Is Reality in Awards: Winning awards cements your credibility as a leader in ways that are hard to replicate. The system's flaws don't cancel that out. Sponsor Brought to you by Hightouch, the leading composable CDP and decisioning platform trusted by brands like Domino's, Chime, and Aritzia. 90% of customers have a real use case live within their first week, delivering world-class personalization at scale. Learn more at hightouch.com/msom. Connect & Subscribe Subscribe to Making Sense of Martech wherever you get your podcasts. Follow us on TikTok, LinkedIn, and don't forget to like and subscribe on YouTube.

    Industry Awards: Earned, Bought, or Invented? with Jonathan Harrop

  8. Aug 5 ·  Video

    Touch Grass: What OpenAI's Summer Camp Actually Sold Us

    We're going down the rabbit hole together in this week's first The Breakdown episode, part 1. Part 2 will be out shortly. We'll be back to regularly scheduled programming next week with a great conversation with someone in the Hot Seat.  Think Black Mirror meets Midsommar, set at a wildflower farm. Literally. 🌸🌼🌱🌺🪻🐝🍃🌻🌷🌿 Connect & Subscribe Subscribe to Making Sense of Martech wherever you get your podcasts. Follow us on TikTok, LinkedIn, and don't forget to like and subscribe on YouTube.

    Touch Grass: What OpenAI's Summer Camp Actually Sold Us
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Unfiltered takes on the biggest shifts in marketing technology. We spotlight what matters, who's leading (or lagging), and what's next. In Martech, clarity is power — and we're here to deliver it.

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  • Creator
    Monarch
  • Years Active
    2021 - 2026
  • Episodes
    56
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    ©️ Monarch Advisory Partners LLC
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