The Occupational Philosophers - A not-so-serious business podcast to spark Creativity, Imagination and Curiosity

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Would you like to unlock the creative, imaginative and innovative potential in your team or organisation…BUT…don’t want to listen to another serious podcast which offers 7 steps, 5 habits, 3 mantras, and a hard sell in a pear tree? Then join ‘The Occupational Philosophers’, a ‘not-so-serious’ podcast with Simon Banks (middle-aged Australian surfer man, artist and published author) and John Rice (middle-aged British man with a love of curiosity and philosophy) as they chat with a ‘clowder’ (great word!) of curious cats from the fields of Comedy, Academia, Philosophy, Neuroscience, Psychology, Design, Marketing, and Business, to explore how you, your team, and your organisation, can develop your curiosity, spark your creativity, and free your imagination, so you can grow your business and your people….sounds great huh?! But don’t just take our word for it, read what our listeners think: “Worth a listen, one of them has a strange Australian accent” “They’re not philosophers, they’re idiots” “If you like business, philosophy, humour, creativity, and imagination, then have a listen - if not, then I would leave well alone” http://www.occupationalphilosophers.com

  1. 5d ago

    Ep.119 - The Art of Asking Great Questions (And Why We're Losing It) With Larry Robertson

    The Art of Asking Great Questions (And Why We're Losing It) The Occupational Philosophers | Episode 119 With Larry Robertson With Larry Robertson: author, innovation advisor, and Inc. Magazine columnist, and founder of Lighthouse Consulting, where he's spent three decades guiding leaders through uncertainty and change. A graduate of Stanford and Northwestern's Kellogg School of Management, he was named a US Fulbright Scholar in 2021, a rare distinction for someone working outside academia. Larry has spent twenty-five years watching the world drift away from real questions and toward statements dressed up as questions. His fourth book, Great Question: The Art of the Ask, is the result. Larry has spent twenty-five years watching the world drift away from real questions and toward statements dressed up as questions which is the subject of his fourth book, Great Question: The Art of the Ask. This episode is about what that costs us, and what we get back when we relearn the practice: noticing, intellectual humility, and the "adjacent possible" as a way of seeing what's one step from where we already are.   Timestamps 00:00 – Cold open, curious-eye banter, and Simon's favourite artwork story 00:04 – Introducing Larry Robertson 00:08 – Larry's curious eye: yellow finches, and a window onto Arlington, Virginia 00:13 – Dinner party questions: joy right now, and the big question Larry keeps circling back to 00:17 – Robin Klingler, the World Peace Game, and collective wisdom 00:20 – Larry's Venn diagram, and his to-ask list (with an assist from Mary Oliver) 00:25 – Where the new book started: the pattern across his first three books 00:29 – The 25-year observation: statements replacing real questions 00:32 – Four things a question is: an invitation, a frame, a behaviour, an identity 00:37 – Noticing versus the practiced noticer 00:40 – Stuart Kauffman and the adjacent possible 00:43 – Slow looking, the National Gallery, and Claire Bown's "The Art Engager" 00:47 – Training medical students by having them diagnose art 00:50 – Intellectual humility: the Hero's Journey, three levels, and the mantras for practicing it 00:58 – Warm data versus cold data, and reframing the data-centre problem 01:02 – Why the book matters: mattering, meaning, and being a questioning species 01:07 – The Jeopardy! thought experiment 01:13 – Rapid fire: the manifesto addition, plus book and film recommendations 01:16 – A shoutout to Creative Mornings 01:18 – What's next for Larry, and where to find him Live Links Larry Robertson Website: https://lrspeaks.com/ Great Question: The Art of the Ask (Amazon): https://www.amazon.com/Great-Question-Getting-More-Really/dp/0983757461 Lighthouse Consulting: https://lighthouse-consulting.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/larryrobertson3rd/ Column — Inc. Magazine: https://www.inc.com/author/larry-robertson People & Work Mentioned World Peace Game Foundation (Robin Klingler): https://worldpeacegame.org/ Stuart Kauffman, theoretical biologist and originator of "the adjacent possible": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Kauffman Claire Brown — The Art Engager / Thinking Museum: https://thinkingmuseum.com/ Project Zero, Harvard Graduate School of Education: https://pz.harvard.edu/ Center for BrainHealth, UT Dallas (art-based medical student training): https://centerforbrainhealth.org/ Temple Grandin: An Open Door (documentary): https://www.templegrandindocumentary.com/ The Occupational Philosophers Website: https://www.occupationalphilosophers.com Substack: https://occupationalphilosophers.substack.com John — Bowland Consulting: https://www.bowlandconsulting.com Simon — simonbanks.com.au: https://www.simonbanks.com.au Key Ideas The Practiced Noticer — Paying attention isn't passive. Larry draws a line between people who simply notice and "practiced noticers" who've turned observation into a discipline, and it's a skill anyone can build. The Adjacent Possible — Borrowed from theoretical biologist Stuart Kauffman, the idea that breakthrough thinking doesn't arrive fully formed. It shows up in workman's clothes, one small step past what you already know. Intellectual Humility Isn't Humility — It isn't about admitting you were wrong. It's accepting that what you know might be incomplete, and that you might have to change because of what comes back to you. Questions Are a Behaviour, Not Just a Skill — Brains are built to do their best work in uncertainty. The questioning instinct is wired in, long before we have the words to ask anything. The Slow Disappearance of the Real Question — Twenty-five years of observation led Larry to a blunt conclusion: more of what passes for questions now are just statements with a question mark at the end. Mattering Over Meaning — The point isn't landing on one big answer at fifty that carries you to ninety. It's staying in the practice of asking why you matter, again and again. Warm Data Versus Cold Data — The numbers on the spreadsheet only tell part of the story. The atmosphere in the room, the thing you sense rather than measure, is often where the real signal lives. Standout Line "What will you realise soon that you already know?"

  2. Jul 1

    Ep. 118 - Casa de Cambio x Occupational Philosophers, with guest Natasha Redman

    In Episode 118,The Occupational Philosophers dive into a totally different format! Together with Natasha Redman, host of the very popular‘Casa De Cambio’ podcast, they have created their first ‘mash up’ podcast episode which invites them to be both guests and hosts to each other on one show! In this episode they explore a wide range of topics including: What’s the best Quentin Tarantino movie? What was the best career advice you’ve ever received? What have John and Simon learned about curiosity in over 100 episodes? Who are the 4 horsemen of Nirvana? Why saying ‘I don’t know’ is so powerful How to stay curious (even when under pressure) What questions should organisations be wrestling with today? How should any change initiative start? How can you implement changes when ‘all is in flux’? If you change all the planks of the ‘Ship of Theseus’, is it still the ‘Ship of Theseus’? Where do organisations struggle when it comes to change? The danger of ‘Toxic positivity’ and how to counter it Why ‘pet projects’ can derail change programmes What is the secret of the universe….sorry….scrub that, wrong podcast And as ever, enjoy the Thought Experiment …this time it’s: Who’s in the house? About Natasha Redman  Natasha Redman is an experienced change practitioner and project professional, with a proven track record in system implementations, organisational change initiatives and large-scale transformations. She has managed change initiatives at Australia’s biggest companies (including ANZ, Telstra, Australia Post, Accenture, NAB, Newcrest), holds multiple certifications and is well versed in both agile and waterfall delivery methods. Natasha’s passion for all things change led to her creating and hosting a successful podcast about change, technology, innovation and leadership.   Learn more about Natasha  https://www.linkedin.com/in/natasharedman/ https://www.casadecambio.com.au/   References https://www.thethe.com/ https://www.amazon.com/World-Needs-Your-Art-Creativity/dp/1683503732 https://conneradvisory.com/daryl-conner/ Bad Boy Bubby https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106341/   Casa De Cambio - Free webinar 9th July https://www.linkedin.com/posts/changify_agile-changemanagement-erptransformation-activity-7475121753778806785-K9ax?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAAABIFFkBQKyN-YVNoL5dWZCukKlPAEKDwCI   John and Simon hope you enjoy the show as much as they enjoyed making it. It's the reason they started this show - interesting, cool and creative people who have taken the path less travelled and kicked arse!  Say Hello to the OP  www.occupationalphilosophers.com Their day jobs JOHN www.bowlandconsulting.com SIMON www.simonbanks.com.au

  3. Jun 26

    Ep. 117 Why your Company Events are killing Culture (And what Burning Man gets right) | With guest, Jasper Vallance

    The Occupational Philosophers  |  Episode 117  |  With Jasper Vallance Jasper Vallance is a social entrepreneur who left his corporate life at Google to create a life of meaning driven by his passions. As an event architect, he became the founder of Australia's largest sober dance party.  He has taken what he learned at Burning Man to rethink what corporate gatherings could actually do for people. This episode is about why many company events don't work and what intentional gathering looks like when it's done right. In this episode, they cover the collapse of Friday drinks, the WeWork meltdown (yes, that one), and why alcohol has never actually been the social lubricant we think it is. Timestamps 00:00 – Opening clip: the art of setting the scene 00:48 – What's caught your eye?  05:00 – Guest intro: Jasper Vallance 07:30 – Burning Seed relaunch — Cosmic Canyon 10:24 – Burning Man 101: it's 10 principles 11:18 – Where are you in the world?  12:19 – Dinner Party Round begins 12:41 – What's giving you joy?  14:00 – Who inspires you?  16:12 – Big question: can the magic of Burning Man translate to company events? 19:29 – What do you actually do?  20:49 – Why Jasper is always in costume — and why that matters 21:22 – The secret sauce: costumes do what alcohol does, without the damage 22:20 – Google, 2007, and what the digital age did to human connection 26:01 – How Burning Man changed his life 27:42 – How Xstatic Sunsets was born: the natural high through dance 28:22 – Walking the talk: how do you actually create belonging? 30:15 – The welcome experience: hugs, costumes, facilitators 31:42 – The corporate opportunity: what if the CEO wore a chicken outfit? 33:00 – Storytelling starts before people arrive — the art of building anticipation 35:14 – Thought Experiment: Jasper Vallance, Event Detective 51:44 – Rapid fire: one thing you couldn't live without 53:04 – Dr. Peter Lovatt: dance first, think later 54:04 – The Occupational Philosophers Maniguesto  56:19 – What's next: Burning Seed and Immersive8 57:42 – Where to find Jasper online 58:50 – Post-show reflections: John and Simon on the art of gathering Key Ideas Purpose before planning. Most corporate events treat purpose as an afterthought. Jasper argues it should be the first thing locked in — not as a value statement, but as a lived experience the event is designed to create. Participation over presentation. Burning Man works because everyone is in the action. The moment people become spectators, you lose them. Same applies to company offsites. Costumes do what alcohol does, without the damage. They lower inhibitions, break social hierarchies, and give people permission to play. Jasper has proven this at scale. The welcome is everything. The first point of contact sets the entire tone. Not an icebreaker on a slide. An actual human welcome that makes people feel like they belong. Passions connect people across silos. Ask everyone what they love doing outside work. Cyclists ride together. Cooks cook together. Then they come back with something real in common. Post-COVID, Friday drinks aren't coming back. Younger generations want to go home. The social fabric of the office has changed. The answer isn't to recreate the old model — it's to reimagine what connection looks like now. Standout Line "I have guys coming up at the end of the night going, 'I almost had a drink before I came in, but I'm so glad I didn't.' That is the experience I'm trying to deliver." Live Links Jasper Vallance - Personal site: https://www.jaspervallance.com  - Immersive8 (corporate events agency): https://immersive8.agency  - Xstatic Sunsets (sober dance parties): https://www.xstaticsunsets.com  People & Movements Mentioned - Peter Sharp & The Liberators: https://www.theliberators.org  - Peter Sharp (personal site): https://www.petersharp.com.au  - Dr. Peter Lovatt (dance psychologist, Episode 4/5): https://www.drpeterdance.com  Events & Festivals - Burning Man: https://burningman.org  - Burning Seed (Australian regional Burning Man event): https://www.burningseed.com  - Blazing Swan (WA regional burn): https://blazingswan.com.au  - Elsewhere (the successor to Nowhere, Spain's European burn): https://nobodies.team  - Bali Spirit Festival: https://www.balispiritfestival.com  Events Referenced - Fyre Festival — Netflix documentary: https://www.netflix.com/title/81035279  - WeWork: Or the Making and Breaking of a $47 Billion Unicorn — documentary: https://www.hulu.com/movie/wecrashed-the-rise-and-fall-of-wework-documentary  - Woodstock 99: Peace, Love, and Rage — Netflix documentary: https://www.netflix.com/title/81258733  Get in Touch: The Occupational Philosophers - Website: https://www.occupationalphilosophers.com  - Substack: https://occupationalphilosophers.substack.com - John: Bowland Consulting: https://www.bowlandconsulting.com - Simon: https://www.simonbanks.com.au

  4. May 28

    Ep. 114 The science behind Arts on Prescription (and why the funding hasn't caught up) with Professor Katherine Boydell

    In this episode 114, the Occupational Philosophers chat with the wonderfully curious Professor Katherine Boydell.  Katherine is an internationally recognised leader in qualitative inquiry and arts-based knowledge translation in mental health and social care with innovative approaches to create knowledge and translate empirical research using arts-based methods, including art installations.  She is the founder and head of the award-winning Arts-based Knowledge Translation Lab at Black Dog Institute and Director, Knowledge Translation, Maridulu Budyari Gumal – Sydney Partnership for Health Education Research and Enterprise.  She was appointed as a Fellow of the prestigious Australian Academy of Social Sciences in 2020. She is Vice-President of the Arts & Health Network of NSW/ACT and is Executive Editor of the Arts & Health journal and Associate Editor of Early Intervention in Psychiatry. She has been a Visiting Professor at the University of Wollongong, University of Sydney, Rotterdam Arts & Science Lab, Radboud University, and Singapore Art Museum. She has published over 300 peer-reviewed journal articles, book chapters and books as well as other arts-based outputs such as research-based installations and exhibits and two PhDs.  Her recent book, Applying Body Mapping in Research: An Arts-Based Method, brings together years of practice using this powerful participatory technique across health and social care settings around the world. This is some impressive stuff!  In this episode, they explore a wide range of topics including: What sparked Katherine's passion for arts-based research The Salon des Refusés: The alternative Archibald Prize exhibition Abstract painting, layering, and what lies underneath Five grandsons and the joy of childlike curiosity What actually counts as evidence in research? How Katherine's lab uses art to create AND share knowledge ReBloom: An interactive digital installation about self-harm, hope and human connection Body mapping: tracing, filling, and telling stories through the body Taking research-based art into shopping centres and office lobbies with Dexus The Think, Feel, Do framework for measuring impact Deep looking and why we need more of it Arts on prescription and the therapeutic consequences of engaging with art Why the funding still hasn't caught up with the evidence Chapters  0:00 Opening quote: Embrace Messiness 0:26 Intro & Guest Introduction 0:44 Introducing Professor Katherine Boydell 3:03 Curious Eye: The Salon des Refusés 5:05 Dinner Party Round 13:15 Arts-Based Research: What Katherine Does 17:37 ReBloom: Arts & Self-Harm Research 29:48 Body Mapping Explained 36:59 Dexus Partnership & Public Installations 43:23 Wrap-Up & Rapid Fire Questions 48:59 Post-Show Reflections John and Simon hope you enjoy the show as much as they enjoyed making it. It's the reason they started this show - interesting, cool and creative people who have taken the path less travelled and kicked arse!  Learn more about Catherine Black Dog Institute https://www.blackdoginstitute.org.au/ Arts-Based Knowledge Translation Lab (overview page) https://www.blackdoginstitute.org.au/research/ Sydney Partnership for Health Education Research and Enterprise (SPHERE) https://www.thesphere.com.au/ Linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/katherine-boydell-87b3867/  Arts and Health Journal: https://www.tandfonline.com/journals/rahe20 Rebloom Project https://www.uts.edu.au/news/2025/10/rebloom-how-an-art-installation-is-changing-conversations-about-self-harm Mentions Archibald Prize https://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au/prizes/archibald/ Salon des Refusés https://www.salonrefuses.com.au/  Art Gallery of New South Wales https://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au/ Daisy Fancourt The Art Cure https://www.penguin.com.au/books/art-cure-9781529935547https://www.penguin.co.uk/ World Health Organisation – What is the evidence on the role of the arts in improving health and well-being? A scoping review https://www.who.int/europe/publications/i/item/9789289054553 Arts & Health Journal https://www.tandfonline.com/toc/rahe20/current Early Intervention in Psychiatry https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/17517893 Say Hello to the OP  www.occupationalphilosophers.com Their day jobs JOHN Bowland Consulting SIMON www.simonbanks.com.au SIMON SHOWREEL

  5. May 18

    Ep. 116: Why imagination & creativity are essential for problem solving with Creative Director Tim Simpson

    In Episode 116,The Occupational Philosophers chat with Tim Simpson, creative director of Plunge Creations, a company probably best known for being the imaginative powerhouse in designing and making the costumes for ‘The Masked Singer UK’.    In this episode they explore a wide range of topic including: Why pencil and paper beats working on a laptop How imagination focuses on what’s important to you Where to scribble your most creative ideas…clue, it’s not the front of an envelope Whether a 10m cat is ever a good idea The creative process which brings the magic of Plunge Creations to life  How problem solving is a key skill which underpins the creative process How to tap into everyone’s bright ideas Is it ever possible to ‘price in the love’ on a creative project for a client? How might the education system better prioritise creativity? What might teams do to innovate and generate new ideas? Would the London Marathon be improved if everyone were dressed up?   And as ever, enjoy the Thought Experiment …this time it’s: Who’s that behind the mask?     About Tim Simpson As well as creating bold & crazy designs for the Masked Singer, which is one of the UK's biggest family entertainment shows and a show which has global fame, Tim and his team at Plunge also craft jaw-dropping props for cinema and TV, including for ‘The Traitors’; again another global phenomenon.   For the latest Wicked movie, they created a stunning sculpture in St Pancras International station in London, which drew you in to an adventure into the enchanting world of Wicked, bringing the Emerald City to life, with immersive details, and magical surprises - this takes your breath away when you first see it!   He is a creative all rounder, equally at home behind the computer, designing and visualising a project, or in the workshop, working alongside the team.    He is the Willy Wonka of design, creativity, magic, who lives in a world of pure imagination!     Learn more about Tim https://www.plungecreations.co.uk/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/plunge-productions/posts/?feedView=all   References David Bowie - https://lightroom.uk/ Leatherwork - https://www.wolframlohr.com/ Masked Singer UK - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Masked_Singer_(British_TV_series)_series_7 Playtime movie - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062136/ People’s Pyramid - https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/gallery/new-bricks-laid-people-build-32930136.amp   John and Simon hope you enjoy the show as much as they enjoyed making it. It's the reason they started this show - interesting, cool and creative people who have taken the path less travelled and kicked arse!  Say Hello to the OP  www.occupationalphilosophers.com Their day jobs JOHN www.bowlandconsulting.com SIMON www.simonbanks.com.au

  6. Apr 17

    Ep. 115: Photography: the art of seeing and failing your way to creativity, with guest, Kurt Sneddon.

    The Occupational Philosophers chat with Kurt Sneddon, photographer, cinematographer, and actor. In this episode, they explore a wide range of topics including: Where AI can enhance the creative process The art of seeing; noticing what others might miss How the ‘buffet of inspiration’ differs between Sydney and NYC How to bring out the natural version of someone What might we do to improve the way we see and take perspectives The delightfully named ‘Humble Togs Club’...for photographers who are not dicks… Creating a safe environment that allows people, curiosity and creativity to flourish Why failure is the thing that supercharges your learning and creative output And as ever, enjoy the Thought Experiment …this time it’s: No Jerks Allowed About Kurt Sneddon... Kurt has built a thriving portrait & wedding studio in Sydney, Australia, before relocating in 2015 to pursue creative opportunities in New York City.  He photographs awesome actors, dancers, models and performers in the streets of New York City. He has a studio in East Williamsburg & SoHo in NYC - Kurt’s photography is all about creating authentic, impactful images that help performers stand out—and making sure they enjoy the process, not dread it. He pivoted into cinematography, trained at Maine Media Workshops, joined the Local 600 Camera Union, and worked in the camera crew on TV shows and films throughout NYC and upstate. More recently, he opened up a space for coaching photographers who are tired of toxic spaces and ego-driven attitudes, launching the Humble Togs Club - an online community where photographers can hang out, learn, and support each other in a safe, no-jerk zone - it's also an amazing community that celebrates progress, not perfection.   Learn more about Kurt Humble Togs  Podcast https://podcast.humbletogsclub.com/ Website https://www.humbletogsclub.com/intro Socials https://www.linkedin.com/in/bykurtsneddon/ https://bio.site/kurtsneddon https://www.kurtsneddon.com/ https://www.instagram.com/bykurtsneddon/ https://www.facebook.com/kurt.sneddon/ https://www.tiktok.com/@bykurtsneddon References https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoa_of_Attalos https://www.remussanctuary.org/interesting-goat-facts/ https://rayeofficial.com/ https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/conversations-about-foster-care/id1506508179 https://davinci.ai/ https://www.nano-banana.ai/ https://www.waterstones.com/book/a-life-in-parts/bryan-cranston/9781409156598   John and Simon hope you enjoy the show as much as they enjoyed making it. Its the reason they started this show - interesting, cool and creative people who have taken the path less travelled and kicked arse!  Say Hello to the OP  www.occupationalphilosophers.com Their day jobs JOHN www.bowlandconsulting.com SIMON www.simonbanks.com.au

  7. Feb 3

    Ep. 113: Curiosity, empathy, and being open to the world, with guest, David Bramwell, Author of 'The Number 9 Bus to Utopia'.

    In this episode 113, the Occupational Philosophers chat with the wonderfully curious David Bramwell - a writer, broadcaster, performer and professional seeker.  He’s the author of The Number 9 Bus to Utopia, a philosophical travel memoir, in which he went looking for different and potentially better ways of living. He’s presented many programmes for BBC Radio 3 and BBC Radio 4 on subjects ranging from Ivor Cutler, Ken Campbell and time travel, to the art of public speaking.  As a podcaster, he produces and presents Adventures in Nutopia and The Ways of Water,  and has co-hosted other popular podcasts including, Odditorium, Watling Street with author John Higgs, and Seeker! The Ken Campbell Podcast with Daisy Campbell. In 2020 his book The Cult of Water was published, exploring belief and rituals, and then in 2023 he self-published The Singalong-A-Wicker-Man Scrapbook. Since 2004 he has been hosting Brighton’s Catalyst Club, a monthly salon at which three guest speakers from all walks of life take to the stage to talk about their passions.  As a performer, he has toured several solo shows and performed at Soho Theatre, Somerset House, Tate St Ives, TEDx, Idler Academy, MOMA, UK festivals, and the Lowry Theatre.  And finally there's Oddfellow's Casino, an eclectic band project that blends spoken word, music and storytelling, and who are approaching their 25th anniversary this year.    In this episode they explore a wide range of topic including: How to use Brexit to dodge home DIY and tasks The Singalong-a-Wicker-Man show! Panpsychism and consciousness (Does Broccoli dream of sheep?) How do tomatoes feel about being eaten? Are tomatoes controlling us? What sparked David’s curiosity superpower? What fashion items are best for a philosophical data analyst? What lessons David learned on ‘The Number 9 Bus to Utopia’ How alternative communities show great creativity and imagination What the everyday interests of everyday people can tell us about curiosity and being human How we might engage better with people who have different views to ourselves What is the official name for a ‘Bum Reader’?   And as ever, enjoy the Thought Experiment …this time it’s: Where is this bus going?   Learn more about David https://www.drbramwell.com/   https://oddfellowscasino.bandcamp.com/ https://catalystclub.co.uk/ https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/adventures-in-nutopia/id1649333497     References Trevor Noah https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/blog/nonprofittechies/microsoft-and-trevor-noah-a-partnership-for-asking-questions/4036636 Australian Writers Festival boycott https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm4jkwz2z8 The Wicker Man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wicker_Man Crows picking up cigarette butts https://stevedalepetworld.com/blog/something-to-crow-about/ Panpsychism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panpsychism Philip Goff https://philipgoffphilosophy.com/ Museum of Curiosity https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00k3wvk Spalding Gray https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spalding_Gray Rudolph Steiner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Steiner Underground Temple https://thetemples.org/ Shark House https://museumofoxford.org/bill-heine-the-man-behind-the-headington-shark/ Findhorn https://visitfindhorn.uk/ The Min Min Light https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2020/jun/27/what-are-glowing-orbs-of-light-in-the-sky-world-over The Positive Revolution https://www.amazon.co.uk/Handbook-Positive-Revolution-Edward-Bono/dp/0670830127 La Bete https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14407336/ November https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6164502/ The Web of Meaning https://www.jeremylent.com/the-web-of-meaning.html   John and Simon hope you enjoy the show as much as they enjoyed making it. Its the reason they started this show - interesting, cool and creative people who have taken the path less travelled and kicked arse!  Say Hello to the OP  www.occupationalphilosophers.com Their day jobs JOHN Bowland Consulting SIMON www.simonbanks.com.au SIMON SHOWREEL

  8. Jan 7

    Ep. 112: Graphic rewilding, the power of public art and the value of boredom, with guests, Catherine Borowoski and Lee Baker.

    In Episode 112, The Occupational Philosophers chat with the artists, Catherine Borowski and Lee Baker, two exceptionally talented guests who show the true power of creative collaboration and imagination.  Together they have brought to life the SKIP Gallery; an international, collaborative, multi-disciplinary public art project dedicated to creating much-needed space, opportunities, funding and advocacy for emerging artists. The original idea was to forge opportunities for artistic interventions in unexpected places by repurposing rubbish skips.  In addition, they are also the founders of Graphic Rewilding, another large-scale public art project/s  creating vast, flower inspired, attention grabbing, positivity inducing artworks and immersive environments in often-overlooked and under-appreciated urban spaces And finally, PRODUCE UK provides a wide range of services for experiential event and placemaking clients; they have amassed an impressive portfolio of experience, working with such clients as Lumiere Light Festival, London Festival of Architecture, Cartoon Network, London Festival Week, Hem, Vanity Fair, Nike, Adidas and Discovery Channel. In this episode, they explore: Public art, everyday objects and filling a skip Bringing nature into urban landscapes How jarring your thinking can lead to greater levels of creativity Madonna’s spiritual practice as a source of success Enjoying the process of making art Why being bored could be the greatest gift to curiosity and creativity How distraction is the thief of creativity What good collaboration looks like - it’s not all smooth sailing… The beauty and psychological benefits of graphic rewilding  How communities are enhanced through public art And as ever, enjoy the Thought Experiment …this time it’s: Skip or Big Bin? Learn more about Catherine and Lee https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherine-borowski-7b531b8/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/lee-baker-ba2815145/ https://www.graphicrewilding.com/ https://www.produceuk.com/ https://www.instagram.com/catherine.borowski/ https://www.tiktok.com/@graphic_rewilding/video/7507316102276517142 References https://www.linkedin.com/posts/danielpink_this-one-image-can-make-you-more-creative-activity-7385767635411718144-Njqb/ https://veganfta.com/articles/2025/10/23/the-milking-herd-parades-through-london-to-protest-against-dairy/ https://www.michaeljohansson.com/ https://www.melrobbins.com/episode/episode-324/ https://www.merlinsheldrake.com/entangled-life https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/madonna-jay-shetty-podcast-spiritualism-kabbalah-b2835518.html https://hbr.org/2025/08/you-need-to-be-bored-heres-why John and Simon hope you enjoy the show as much as they enjoyed making it. Its the reason they started this show - interesting, cool and creative people who have taken the path less travelled and kicked arse!  Say Hello to the OP  www.occupationalphilosophers.com Their day jobs JOHN Bowland Consulting SIMON www.simonbanks.com.au SIMON SHOWREEL

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Would you like to unlock the creative, imaginative and innovative potential in your team or organisation…BUT…don’t want to listen to another serious podcast which offers 7 steps, 5 habits, 3 mantras, and a hard sell in a pear tree? Then join ‘The Occupational Philosophers’, a ‘not-so-serious’ podcast with Simon Banks (middle-aged Australian surfer man, artist and published author) and John Rice (middle-aged British man with a love of curiosity and philosophy) as they chat with a ‘clowder’ (great word!) of curious cats from the fields of Comedy, Academia, Philosophy, Neuroscience, Psychology, Design, Marketing, and Business, to explore how you, your team, and your organisation, can develop your curiosity, spark your creativity, and free your imagination, so you can grow your business and your people….sounds great huh?! But don’t just take our word for it, read what our listeners think: “Worth a listen, one of them has a strange Australian accent” “They’re not philosophers, they’re idiots” “If you like business, philosophy, humour, creativity, and imagination, then have a listen - if not, then I would leave well alone” http://www.occupationalphilosophers.com

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