The Inner Game of Change

Ali Juma

 Welcome to The Inner Game of Change podcast, where we dive deep into the complexities of managing organisational change. Tailored for leaders, change practitioners, and anyone driving transformation, our episodes explore key topics like leadership, communication, change capability, and process design. Expert guests share practical strategies and insights to help you navigate and lead successful change initiatives. Listen in to learn fresh ideas and perspectives from a variety of industries, and gain the tools and knowledge you need to lead transformation with confidence. Explore our episodes at www.theinnergameofchange.com.au, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Youtube or anywhere you listen to your podcasts. 

  1. Oct 15

    E116 - The Work Changes. Then What? - Podcast With Lauren Ryder

    Welcome to The Inner Game of Change.  where we explore the thinking that shapes how change really happens. What happens when artificial intelligence makes work faster, but the organisation around it stays the same? In this episode, I speak with transformation leader and Engage founder Lauren Ryder, about rethinking productivity in the age of artificial intelligence. We explore why saved time does not automatically become organisational value, how artificial intelligence changes the nature of work, what happens when routine tasks disappear, and why capability, judgement, performance measures and career pathways may all need to be reconsidered. We also examine productive friction, human only thinking, leadership accountability and the second and third order consequences of redesigning work around artificial intelligence. At the centre of the conversation is a deceptively simple question: What does productivity actually mean when the cost and effort of producing work changes dramatically? About Lauren I’ve spent more than 20 years inside major organisations, leading transformation and seeing first-hand what separates the leaders who can move people through complexity from those who simply manage it. Because when a transformation doesn't land, it's usually because of leadership. As CEO of Leading Edge Global, I work with CEOs, Boards and Executive Teams navigating significant change, from AI and digital transformation to operating model shifts and large-scale programs. My sweet spot is the messy bit between strategy and execution, where decisions need to be made, people need to come with you, and a beautifully designed PowerPoint is no longer going to save anyone. I’ve also built Engage, a leadership development and community platform focused on developing the human capabilities leaders need for the future of work: judgement, adaptability, influence, emotional intelligence and strategic thinking. I write regularly for Forbes Australia, and Women's Agenda, and have been featured in the AFR, SMH and The Age, and host the Leading Change podcast. I’ve also been recognised as one of the Top 100 Women in Data Centres globally and as Business Leader of the Year. I’m fascinated by the gap between the leadership organisations say they want and what actually happens when the pressure is on. That’s the gap I want to close. www.leading-edge.global Send us Fan Mail Support the show Ali Juma  @The Inner Game of Change podcast Follow me on LinkedIn

    E116 - The Work Changes.  Then What? - Podcast With Lauren Ryder
  2. Oct 4

    E115 - What Must We Keep Human? - Podcast With Dr David Rock - Part Two

    Welcome to The Inner Game of Change.  where we explore the thinking that shapes how change really happens. My guest today is Dr David Rock, cofounder and chief executive of the NeuroLeadership Institute, originator of the SCARF model and author of our Brain at Work. This is Part Two of my conversation with Dr David Rock. In Part One, we explored what continuous change does to the brain and why artificial intelligence can activate our sense of threat when many organisations are already nearing the limits of their capacity for change. Part Two is anchored by one question: Who is doing the thinking? As artificial intelligence becomes part of how we write, decide and relate to one another, which capabilities are we prepared to lose, and which must we protect? David challenges the advice that everyone should use artificial intelligence as much as possible. We discuss how it can increase confidence while weakening judgement, why feedback from a machine can feel easier to receive, and what happens when leaders use agreeable systems to navigate difficult human relationships. The distinction is simple: artificial intelligence should help us think more deeply, not think less. Here is Part Two of my conversation with Dr David Rock.  About David I coined the term 'Neuroleadership', and am the co-founder and CEO of the Neuroleadership Institute (NLI). NLI makes organizations better for humans through science. It has partnered with 2/3 of the Fortune 100, helped over 20 million people perform better by understanding the brain, and started whole movements in the workplace. Our work was central to Microsoft's culture transformation.  I am the author of 4 books including Quiet Leadership, the business best seller Your Brain at Work and published dozens of papers on the neuroscience of leadership. I have a new book coming out November 2026, called Good with Humans. Pre order: https://www.amazon.com/Good-Humans-Neuroscience-Makes-Ticks/dp/0063463962/ I own a small retreat center in upstate NY. Ideal for small corporate retreats, with 11 separate rooms, especially great for people with an interest in wellness and nature. Complete with a hyperbaric chamber, sauna, 2 x jacuzzi's and private walking trails. See https://www.roundhousefarms.org/ In addition, I support new authors through the Round House Literary Agency, see https://rhliterary.com/ where I leverage my understanding of the human brain to help architect ideas to have impact, and authors to do their best work. I am also an impact investor, mentor and coach to several neuro-tech, health-tech and wellness businesses, through my Round House Incubator. As a registered broker dealer agent, I also raise capital for early stage projects in that space. Send us Fan Mail Support the show Ali Juma  @The Inner Game of Change podcast Follow me on LinkedIn

    E115 - What Must We Keep Human? - Podcast With Dr David Rock - Part Two
  3. Sep 16

    E114 - What Must We Keep Human? - Podcast With Dr David Rock - Part One

    Welcome to The Inner Game of Change.  where we explore the thinking that shapes how change really happens. My guest today is Dr David Rock, cofounder and chief executive of the NeuroLeadership Institute, originator of the SCARF model and author of our Brain at Work. His forthcoming book, Good With Humans, brings together more than twenty five years of research into what motivates us, what puts us into a state of threat and how this shapes the way we interact with one another. In this conversation, we explore what change does to the brain, why even a perceived threat can affect our ability to think, how a leader’s emotional state can spread through a team, and whether continuous change is beginning to test the limits of our cognitive capacity. This is part one of my conversation with Dr David Rock. Enjoy. About David I coined the term 'Neuroleadership', and am the co-founder and CEO of the Neuroleadership Institute (NLI). NLI makes organizations better for humans through science. It has partnered with 2/3 of the Fortune 100, helped over 20 million people perform better by understanding the brain, and started whole movements in the workplace. Our work was central to Microsoft's culture transformation.  I am the author of 4 books including Quiet Leadership, the business best seller Your Brain at Work and published dozens of papers on the neuroscience of leadership. I have a new book coming out November 2026, called Good with Humans. Pre order: https://www.amazon.com/Good-Humans-Neuroscience-Makes-Ticks/dp/0063463962/ I own a small retreat center in upstate NY. Ideal for small corporate retreats, with 11 separate rooms, especially great for people with an interest in wellness and nature. Complete with a hyperbaric chamber, sauna, 2 x jacuzzi's and private walking trails. See https://www.roundhousefarms.org/ In addition, I support new authors through the Round House Literary Agency, see https://rhliterary.com/ where I leverage my understanding of the human brain to help architect ideas to have impact, and authors to do their best work. I am also an impact investor, mentor and coach to several neuro-tech, health-tech and wellness businesses, through my Round House Incubator. As a registered broker dealer agent, I also raise capital for early stage projects in that space. Send us Fan Mail Support the show Ali Juma  @The Inner Game of Change podcast Follow me on LinkedIn

    E114 - What Must We Keep Human? - Podcast With Dr David Rock - Part One

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 Welcome to The Inner Game of Change podcast, where we dive deep into the complexities of managing organisational change. Tailored for leaders, change practitioners, and anyone driving transformation, our episodes explore key topics like leadership, communication, change capability, and process design. Expert guests share practical strategies and insights to help you navigate and lead successful change initiatives. Listen in to learn fresh ideas and perspectives from a variety of industries, and gain the tools and knowledge you need to lead transformation with confidence. Explore our episodes at www.theinnergameofchange.com.au, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Youtube or anywhere you listen to your podcasts. 

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