Ben Yeoh Chats

Benjamin Yeoh

Ben Yeoh chats to a variety of thinkers and doers about their curiosities, ideas and passions. If you are curious about the world this show is for you. I have extended conversations across humanities and science with artists, philosophers, writers, theatre makers, activists, economists and all walks of life. Disclaimer: Personal podcast, no organisational affiliation or endorsement.

  1. Phoebe Arslanagić-Little: Fertility, Family Policy, and the Birth Gap

    MAR 22

    Phoebe Arslanagić-Little: Fertility, Family Policy, and the Birth Gap

    Why are people having fewer children than they say they want? In this episode, writer and policy thinker Phoebe Arslanagić-Little joins me to discuss the UK fertility crisis and what she calls the “birth gap”: the gap between the number of children people say they want and the number they actually have. We talk about why this is not just about money, but a mix of culture, career timing, housing, childcare, social norms, and the feeling that you need to reach some elusive state of readiness before having children. We also get into maternity pay, paternity leave, grandparents, childcare, state signals, dating apps, and what surprised Phoebe most about becoming a mother. As she puts it, “I don’t really subscribe to any of the theories that say, oh, it’s this one thing. I think it genuinely is like a confluence of factors.” And on the role of government: “I think the state should very openly say there are people who want to have children. We think that’s great. We’d like to help them.” Transcript: https://www.thendobetter.com/investing/2026/3/22/phoebe-arslanagi-little-on-fertility-family-policy-and-the-birth-gap Contents: 00:00 Fertility Crisis Defined 01:25 Overpopulation Narrative Origins 03:22 Is the Birth Gap Real 04:59 Why People Delay Kids 06:41 Culture and Readiness Standards 09:51 Policy Levers to Boost Births 13:06 Making Birth Less Traumatic 15:13 Paternity Leave and Social Engineering 22:05 State Neutrality and Universal Benefits 27:36 Grandparents and Informal Childcare 31:24 Single Parents and China Lessons 34:52 Best Family Policy Levers 36:33 Childcare Costs and Incentives 38:31 Childcare Ratios Debate 40:21 Safety Versus Deregulation 41:33 Underrated Overrated Round 42:20 Food Fears and Animal Welfare 45:12 Astrology and Lab Meat 47:41 Pubs Alcohol and E Bikes 52:18 Dating Apps and Social Mixing 58:49 Writing Process and Motherhood 01:01:49 Projects Advice and Wrap Up

    1h 5m
  2. Salima Saxton: Cancer, Estrangement, and “Bad Patient” Honesty

    FEB 26

    Salima Saxton: Cancer, Estrangement, and “Bad Patient” Honesty

    Salima Saxton on cancer, honesty, estrangement, and creative work in real life. Salima is Ben’s longtime friend, and they talk about her cancer diagnosis and what she calls an unexpected new “year of undoing”, a return to herself rather than a neat reinvention story. “Be the sky, not the weather. The weather passes through.” They discuss why the language of “brave” can feel wrong, why “What can I do?” often misses the mark, and what Salima means by being a “bad patient”. The conversation turns to Salima’s Substack essay “Builder Dad” on estrangement and what outsiders routinely misunderstand. “‘Blood is thicker than water’ is not advice I believe in.” Salima also shares the hardest things to write in memoir: telling the whole truth, including the parts that do not flatter you. The chat then touches on anti-heroine storytelling, friendship breakups, social media’s double edge, and what creative work looks like without romantic routines: write where you can, start small, “plod”, find mentors, and build community. “There’s never a perfect moment. Start with something tiny and plod.” A lighter finish includes an overrated/underrated game (champagne, dressing up, height, hustle culture, social media, coconut oil), Salima’s plan to audition again, and why dark humour matters when things get rough. “A sense of humour is absolutely vital. You either laugh or you crack.” Transcript and video: https://www.thendobetter.com/arts/2026/2/24/salima-saxton-cancer-bad-patient-honesty-estrangement-and-writing-without-waiting Contents: 00:00 30-year friendship,  Himalayas, coconut oil01:23 Cancer diagnosis and a new “year of undoing”03:41 Returning to the 18-year-old self05:07 Illness clarifies relationships, energy is finite07:29 Why “brave” and “What can I do?” can land badly09:02 “Bad patient”: performing “good” on an overstretched NHS ward13:05 Honest female voices, dissonance, anti-heroine truth15:28 “Builder Dad”, estrangement, and searching for father figures17:57 What people get wrong about estrangement and friendship breakups21:29 Hypervigilance and the hidden inner life23:31 The hardest memoir scene: dad’s death and anger at mum26:15 Writing about mum: respect, friction, truth29:44 Childhood contradictions: hippie roots, no heating, love of glamour30:37 No perfect routine: writing around kids, work, real life33:09 Ditch the artist romance: money, time, and the true cost35:00 Tiny wins: one sentence still counts36:49 Bed writing, socks, and self-trickery38:06 Overrated/underrated game41:31 Social media love/hate and quiet communities43:59 2026 as the “year of saying yes”, auditions, dark humour46:37 Advice to creatives: start small, “plod”, mentors, community50:15 Long friendships and gratitude

    53 min
  3. Deena Mousa: How Much Is A Life Worth? Effective Philanthropy, AI For Good & Global Health

    JAN 2

    Deena Mousa: How Much Is A Life Worth? Effective Philanthropy, AI For Good & Global Health

    How do you put a price tag on a human life? It sounds like a cold question, but for grant makers, it is the necessary calculus of doing good. In this episode, Ben sits down with Deena Mousa (Open Philanthropy, Coefficient Giving) to discuss the difficult frameworks used to allocate finite resources. "Every time you choose whether to take a more dangerous job at a higher wage... you are implicitly putting a price on how much you value a year of your life." We dive into the "Coefficient Dollar," the complexities of measuring pain, and why government procurement might be the world's most underrated problem. WE COVER: The Calculus of Altruism: Using "revealed preference" to value a year of life The Pain Paradox: Why health models struggle to measure suffering AI for Good: "AI washing" vs. actual capacity building Systemic Bottlenecks: Why boring process fixes beat flashy policies Life Advice: Why you should ignore advice that resonates too much "Often, the people listening to a piece of general advice are exactly the group of people that should be doing the opposite." Contents: 00:00 Introduction01:17 Valuing Life and Health05:46 Challenges in Measuring Pain and Health Outcomes13:32 Creative Process and Research Methodology18:38 Journey and Early Experiences22:23 Debate on International Aid and USAID29:20 Impact of AI in Global Health and Development36:25 Overrated or Underrated44:59 Exciting Projects and AI for Good46:14 Balancing Cause Areas and Funding Decisions58:31 Advice for Aspiring Philanthropists and Innovators

    1h 1m
  4. Robert Beckley: Lessons from 40 Years in Policing, Hillsborough & Civic Service

    09/14/2025

    Robert Beckley: Lessons from 40 Years in Policing, Hillsborough & Civic Service

    Retired police officer Robert Beckley reflects on 40 years of service — from Brixton to Hillsborough and beyond. We discuss crisis response, institutional change, community policing, and why public service and volunteering still matter today. We explore: The misunderstood role of policing: “Policing is about being there in a crisis — when someone needs action, and needs it now.” Rob’s early career in Brixton and how his experiences in Sudan shaped his views on culture and policing. Honest reflections on institutional racism and sexism: “Institutional racism isn’t about bad people — it’s about systems and processes that have disproportionate impacts.” Hillsborough: what really went wrong, the persistence of false narratives, and why “we can never afford complacency in disaster preparedness.” The evolution of crime, the importance of community policing: “Community policing works because people trust officers who know their area and take ownership of local problems.” Rob’s year as High Sheriff of Somerset, his advocacy for volunteering, and the civic glue that holds communities together. Advice for aspiring public servants: “In public service, you may never know the lives you’ve touched — but the impact is real.” This episode provides deep insights into policing, society, and civic responsibility — offering lessons not only for those in public service but for anyone interested in how communities can thrive. Find more episodes, transcripts, and writing at https://www.thendobetter.com/arts/2025/9/14/rob-beckley-insights-from-a-policing-career-hillsborough-amp-civic-service-lessons-podcast Episode highlights:00:32 – Misunderstandings in Policing01:57 – Early Career in Brixton05:18 – Sudan and Cultural Insights08:51 – Institutional Racism and Sexism18:14 – Hillsborough Disaster33:30 – The Evolution of Crime37:20 – Community Policing51:05 – The Role of High Sheriff54:06 – Volunteering and Civic Society58:16 – Advice for Aspiring Public Servants

    1h 6m
5
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Ben Yeoh chats to a variety of thinkers and doers about their curiosities, ideas and passions. If you are curious about the world this show is for you. I have extended conversations across humanities and science with artists, philosophers, writers, theatre makers, activists, economists and all walks of life. Disclaimer: Personal podcast, no organisational affiliation or endorsement.

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