The ZenRUN Podcast

Michelle Frost

All things mental and physical health! You’ll find in-depth interviews with runners as we delve into why they run and what keeps them running. And interviews with specialists on the brain and the effects of exercise on it – chemically and physically. Plus tips to keep you moving with a positive mindset.. So much goodness

  1. 3d ago

    Episode 663 - ZenRUN Moment 9: Run the First Five Minutes Slower Than You Want To

    How often do you head out the door and settle into your running pace almost immediately? This week’s ZenRUN Moment is an invitation to do the opposite. On your next run, deliberately spend the first five minutes running slower than feels necessary. It might feel strange at first - maybe even a little frustrating - but stick with it. This isn’t about fitness or holding yourself back. It’s about giving your body the time it needs to settle into the run. Starting gently allows your breathing to find its rhythm, your muscles to warm up naturally, and your nervous system to relax. Instead of launching into your run feeling rushed, you create space for your body to wake up gradually. Many runners discover they actually feel stronger and more comfortable later in the run because they resisted the urge to push too hard too soon. There’s a lesson here that reaches beyond running too. We don’t have to sprint into everything we do. Sometimes the best results come from beginning with patience instead of urgency, allowing ourselves time to find our rhythm before asking for our best. On your next run, give yourself permission to ease in. You might be surprised by how much more enjoyable the rest of your run feels when you start gently. Small moments of awareness like this can completely change the way running feels. 💛 Want your running (and your headspace) to feel a little lighter? If you enjoyed this ZenRUN Moment, you might love The Running Reset - a simple bundle of guided runs and tools designed to help you clear your mind, reset your rhythm, and fall back in love with running. 👉 https://www.zenrun.app/courses/the-running-reset A couple of small favours 1️⃣ If you’re enjoying the podcast, a quick follow, like, or review helps more runners discover it. 2️⃣ Got a running story - or know someone we should chat with? I’d love to hear from you. Find me on Facebook or Instagram @ZenRUN.club or email hello@zenrun.club

  2. 5d ago

    Episode 662 - Nancy Williams: Big Goals, Finding Belonging and Just Taking the Next Step

    Today on the ZenRUN Podcast, I’m chatting with my wonderful friend Nancy Williams. Nancy is a runner, ultra runner, race director, event manager, single mum, serial degree collector, cross-stitch enthusiast and the calm-looking swan behind some seriously complicated running events. Although, as Nancy explains, there is often a LOT of frantic paddling happening beneath the surface. Nancy grew up in Adelaide in a highly academic family and describes herself as the girl who always felt different. School was difficult, running was something she actively avoided, and she became very skilled at finding reasons not to participate in cross-country. So naturally, she went on to run marathons, 100 milers, backyard ultras and some of Australia’s toughest trail events. Nancy openly shares the challenging parts of her journey, including bullying, an eating disorder as a teenager, difficult relationships, becoming a single parent, discovering she is neurodivergent later in life and the long process of learning to understand and accept herself. Running became the constant throughout it all. It gave Nancy freedom, connection, headspace, purpose and eventually an entirely new career. After volunteering extensively with Ultra Series, Nancy stepped into race directing and discovered she was completely in her element. She now manages seven Ultra Series races, runs two events of her own and helps organise the 24 parkruns event. We chat about the enormous amount of work that goes into making an event appear calm and organised, why Nancy wants every runner to feel valued, and why the person completing three backyard yards deserves just as much celebration as the runner completing 60. Nancy also shares why being an athlete can be one of the rare times she allows somebody else to look after her. Apparently, all you need to do is run 100 miles to have someone offer to fill your drink bottle and bring you food. Seems perfectly reasonable. We also talk about Nancy’s own running adventures, including: Running her first City to Bay after barely running outdoors Her first half marathon in England Running London, New York and Dublin marathons Completing 31 yards at a backyard ultra Finishing Irrational South 100 Miler Surviving an incredibly tough Delirious W.E.S.T. 100 Miler Her plans to return for the Delirious 200 Miler A rare and painful tendon injury that required surgery Why she needs a big race goal to keep her moving Her love of running with other people Why she still wants to run forever Links to a few of Nancy's events:  The Australian 6 day Event:- http//:australian6day.com.au And The Southern Cross 24 Hour Event:- http//:southerncross24hour.com.au Nancy’s Running Tips Find the goal that works for you Nancy is strongly goal-driven. Having a race on the calendar gives her a reason to train, particularly when life becomes difficult or motivation disappears. Your goal does not need to be anyone else’s idea of impressive. It simply needs to mean something to you. Do not lose perspective When we spend time around ultra runners, it is easy to begin thinking that a marathon, 50K or a handful of backyard yards is somehow “not far.” Nancy reminds us that every runner’s achievement deserves to be celebrated. Three yards can represent the biggest distance somebody has ever covered. That matters. Learn from the imperfect races Some of Nancy’s most valuable races were not the ones where everything went smoothly. Difficult experiences at Irrational South and Delirious taught her about her thinking, her decisions and her ability to keep moving when things felt impossible. There is no perfect race, but every race can teach us something. Work with people who understand runners After a serious injury left Nancy unable to run or even walk comfortably, her physio gave her something incredibly important: a clear path forward and confidence that she would run again. Finding a health professional who understands your goals can make a huge difference physically and emotionally. Notice the runs where nothing hurts Runners are very good at focusing on the sore tendon, painful toe or grumpy Achilles. Nancy and I discuss the importance of noticing the moments when everything actually feels okay. When you finish a run feeling comfortable, pause and appreciate it. Bring yourself back to this step When Nancy begins thinking too far ahead during an ultra, she uses the mantra: “Just this moment. Just this step.” She combines it with noticing what she can see, hear, smell and feel. This helps calm the panic, quieten the mind and return her attention to what is happening right now. Pass the Baton Nancy answered Jos Middleton’s question: “Have you got one particular ritual that you do as part of your running?” Nancy shares the simple grounding mantra she uses during backyard ultras and difficult moments in long races. Then, in keeping with the direction our conversation took within approximately two minutes of starting, Nancy passed on a rather entertaining toilet-related question for my next guest. You will need to listen to the episode to hear exactly what she asked. Listen to the Episode Join us for an honest, funny and deeply relatable conversation about running, belonging, identity, big goals, imperfect races, event directing, cross-stitch and why runners apparently cannot avoid discussing toilets. 💛 Want your running to feel lighter again? If this conversation resonated, you might enjoy The Running Reset - a simple bundle of guided runs and practical tools to help you reset your rhythm, clear your head, and reconnect with why you run. 👉 Explore The Running Reset 🙏 A couple of big favours If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast - it helps more runners discover these conversations. I’m always looking for runners to interview. If you, or someone you know, has a running story to share, I’d love to hear from you. Find me on Facebook or Instagram at @ZenRUN.club or email hello@zenrun.club 🎧 Don’t miss an episode Subscribe to the ZenRUN Podcast in your favourite podcast app so new conversations land straight in your ears.

  3. Jul 22

    Episode 661 - ZenRUN Moment 8: Relax Your Jaw During Your Run

    Have you ever noticed what your jaw is doing while you run? It might sound like an odd thing to pay attention to, but it’s amazing how much tension we carry there without even realising it. This week’s ZenRUN Moment is all about one simple check-in: relaxing your jaw while you run. As you’re heading along, pause for a moment and notice. Is your jaw clenched? Are your teeth pressed together? If they are, gently let them soften. You might even let your mouth hang open slightly for a second - it feels a bit funny, but it works! When your jaw relaxes, you’ll often notice a ripple effect through the rest of your body. Your shoulders drop, your breathing becomes easier, and your whole body starts to feel less tense. Our bodies are incredibly connected. We often think we need to push harder or try more, but sometimes the biggest improvement comes from letting go instead. A small adjustment in one area can completely change how the rest of your body feels. So on your next run, check in with your jaw every now and then. See what happens when you soften instead of tighten. You might discover that running feels lighter, calmer, and a whole lot more enjoyable. Small moments of awareness like this can completely change the way running feels. 💛 Want your running (and your headspace) to feel a little lighter? If you enjoyed this ZenRUN Moment, you might love The Running Reset - a simple bundle of guided runs and tools designed to help you clear your mind, reset your rhythm, and fall back in love with running. 👉 https://www.zenrun.app/courses/the-running-reset A couple of small favours 1️⃣ If you’re enjoying the podcast, a quick follow, like, or review helps more runners discover it. 2️⃣ Got a running story - or know someone we should chat with? I’d love to hear from you. Find me on Facebook or Instagram @ZenRUN.club or email hello@zenrun.club

  4. Jul 20

    Episode 660 - From the Simpson Desert to Sierra Leone with Jos Middleton

    In this episode of the ZenRUN Podcast, I chat with the wonderfully adventurous Jos Middleton - mental health leader, ultra runner, traveller, volunteer, reluctant road marathoner and someone who seems genetically incapable of doing anything by halves. Jos grew up in Scarborough in the north of England, surfing in the freezing North Sea, playing sport and dreaming of one day living in Australia. Her early adventures weren’t exactly uneventful. At just 13, Jos broke two bones and fractured and displaced another in her neck after hitting a sandbar while surfing. She somehow paddled back to shore, sat on the beach for several hours, carried half the family’s belongings back to the car - and only then went to hospital. Years later, a climbing fall at the You Yangs left her with three fractures in her heel, four pins and weeks unable to walk. Two enormous accidents. Two reminders that Jos is very lucky to be both alive and moving. And moving is something she has always loved. Jos trained as a mental health nurse after growing up in a rather unusual home - quite literally inside the nursing home her mum purchased so she could care for Jos’s father, who had Alzheimer’s disease. After moving to Australia in 2009, Jos spent five years working in Melbourne before heading off with her partner to find “Australia”. They lived in a tent, climbed, mountain biked, worked on sheep stations and travelled their way around the country. While working on a remote South Australian property, a farmer told Jos that he believed she had saved his life. Jos hadn’t been consciously working as a mental health nurse. She had simply spent time beside him, listened, helped and joined him in the daily work of the property. That experience planted the seed for what would become Jos’s career in rural and remote mental health. Today, she leads a mental health and wellbeing program across Far North Queensland, with a strong focus on supporting First Nations communities. So where does running fit into all of this? Jos arrived at running later. A few occasional parkruns and a relaxed 21-kilometre trail “picnic with friends” eventually led to plans to travel to Sierra Leone and complete a half marathon. COVID stopped the trip - but it didn’t stop the ripple effect. Instead, Jos and her friends created Makeways Foundation (https://makewaysfoundation.org/) , which collects second-hand sporting clothing and equipment from around Australia and sends it to Sierra Leone. The foundation has now shipped multiple containers, opened Sierra Leone’s first second-hand sportswear store, employed local staff and a running coach, supported young athletes and created running opportunities within local communities. Last year, Jos finally made it to Sierra Leone and completed the marathon alongside the people the foundation supports. And because Jos doesn’t do things by halves, her first ultramarathon wasn’t exactly a gentle local event. She chose the 50-kilometre Simpson Desert Ultra in Birdsville. Naturally. Since then, Jos has completed events including Three Marathons in Three Days, Run Larapinta, Surf Coast Century, Margaret River Ultra, Kuranda to Port Douglas, the Sierra Leone Marathon and the Wheelbarrow Race - an event where competitors push an empty wheelbarrow over multiple days. She is now stepping temporarily away from the trails after “falling into” the Melbourne Marathon ballot, while also dreaming of taking on Marathon des Sables in 2028. We talk about adventure, running later in life, surviving injuries, fitting training around constant work travel, the Cairns heat, strength training, community and why Jos wants to continue running forever. Jos’s approach to events is wonderfully refreshing. She isn’t chasing a particular placing or allowing a finishing time to determine whether the experience was worthwhile. She wants to enjoy the adventure, dig deep, feel grateful for every step and bring some joy to the experience. And when things become difficult? Jos doesn’t want to quit while sitting comfortably in the chair. She wants to stand up and give it another go - even if she only manages two more steps. Jos’s Running Tips Plan around real life Jos travels regularly for work, so she asks for her training plan early and works out where each session can realistically fit. She packs her running gear before travelling rather than hoping an opportunity appears. Include strength work When knee pain appeared during a run, Jos realised she had a choice: ignore it and potentially follow a path of ongoing problems, or actively strengthen her body. She now includes personal training, physio exercises and strength sessions alongside her running. Find the right support Working with a coach who understood injury recovery helped Jos rebuild her running and improve her form. Be flexible when injured Running is important to Jos, but it isn’t her entire identity. When she can’t run, she cycles or finds another way to move rather than believing everything has been taken away. Stop comparing hot-weather pace Running through a Cairns summer slows Jos down, but she reminds herself that the conditions are temporary. Training in the heat can also create an endurance advantage when racing in cooler conditions. Choose an experience-based goal Rather than judging every event by time or placing, Jos focuses on enjoying the adventure, embracing the challenge, digging deep and finding gratitude along the way. Stay grateful for movement Jos’s body has been through some enormous challenges. Even when it struggles, she remains grateful that it continues to let her move, explore and run. Pass the Baton Jos answers Nagiska Mayes’s question: “When you eventually look back on your running life, what’s one thing you’d love to know you gave a go - whether it’s a race, a challenge, an experience, or something deeply personal?” Her answer takes us into backyard ultra thinking, endurance and why she never wants to quit while still sitting in the chair. Jos then passes a thoughtful new question to the next ZenRUN Podcast guest. What did she ask? You’ll need to listen to the episode to find out. This is a beautiful conversation about running, adventure, community, purpose and what can happen when we remain curious enough to keep giving things a go. 💛 Want your running to feel lighter again? If this conversation resonated, you might enjoy The Running Reset - a simple bundle of guided runs and practical tools to help you reset your rhythm, clear your head, and reconnect with why you run. 👉 Discover The Running Reset 🙏 A couple of big favours 1️⃣ If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast - it helps more runners discover these conversations. 2️⃣ I’m always looking for runners to interview. If you, or someone you know, has a running story to share, I’d love to hear from you. Find me on Facebook or Instagram @ZenRUN.club or email hello@zenrun.club 🎧 Don’t miss an episode Subscribe to the ZenRUN Podcast in your favourite podcast app so new conversations land straight in your ears.

  5. Jul 15

    Episode 659 - ZenRUN Moment 7: Feel the Air Change as You Move

    When was the last time you paid attention to the air around you while you were running? This week’s ZenRUN Moment is a simple invitation to reconnect with the environment you’re moving through. Instead of focusing on pace, distance, or what’s next on your to-do list, spend a few minutes noticing the air. Where does it feel cooler? Where does it feel warmer? When does the wind pick up? When does it disappear? As you run, you might notice that shaded sections feel completely different to open roads. Trails often have their own microclimate. Hills can bring a change in temperature, breeze, and even how the air feels on your skin. These small details are happening around us all the time, but most of us run straight past them without noticing. The beautiful thing about this practice is that it helps shift your focus outward. Instead of feeling like you’re simply ticking off another workout, you begin to feel part of the landscape around you. The run becomes an experience rather than a task. You start noticing the world instead of getting lost in your thoughts. On your next run, let the air be your guide for a few minutes. Pay attention to how it changes and how those changes affect your experience. You might be surprised by how much more connected and enjoyable your run feels. Small moments of awareness like this can completely change the way running feels. 💛 Want your running (and your headspace) to feel a little lighter? If you enjoyed this ZenRUN Moment, you might love The Running Reset - a simple bundle of guided runs and tools designed to help you clear your mind, reset your rhythm, and fall back in love with running. 👉 https://www.zenrun.app/courses/the-running-reset A couple of small favours 1️⃣ If you’re enjoying the podcast, a quick follow, like, or review helps more runners discover it. 2️⃣ Got a running story - or know someone we should chat with? I’d love to hear from you. Find me on Facebook or Instagram @ZenRUN.club or email hello@zenrun.club

  6. Jul 14

    Episode 658 - MFYU Mini Series - BONUS - Behind the Yards - The People, Chaos and Community of Melbourne Frontyard Ultra

    Welcome to this special bonus episode in the 2026 Melbourne Frontyard Ultra Mini-Series on the ZenRUN Podcast. So far in this series, we’ve been following individual athletes through their event - from the start line, through the yards, into the tired bits, the funny bits, the crew moments, and eventually to wherever their race finished. But this episode is a little different. Because once the runners head out on a yard, there is a whole other event happening back in the event village. There are crews making food, filling bottles, hunting for dry socks, checking watches, guessing what their runner might need next, and sometimes just sitting around waiting for the chaos to come back. There are volunteers watching the clock, marking off runners, managing the corral, cheering people in, and trying to keep track of who is still going, who is out, and who may have quietly wandered off without telling anyone. There are race directors and event crew trying to keep everything moving - music, timing, food trucks, toilets, weather, questions, little problems, big problems, and those calm-looking moments where underneath it all someone is absolutely thinking: “Please let this all keep working.” And then there’s the atmosphere. The countdown. The horn. The music. The sleepy middle-of-the-night chats. The crew tents that somehow become parties. The people dropping off snacks. The bike sweep. The runners ringing the bell. And all the beautiful little community moments that happen around the edges of the race. This bonus episode is about all of that. The people behind the yards. The helpers. The crews. The volunteers. The race team. The slightly random conversations I had while wandering around with a microphone and pretending this was a completely normal thing to be doing while also race directing. You’ll hear from Nikki and Paige, two of the volunteers helping with timing and the corral. You’ll hear from Stuart Rainbow, another race director, who was very much having too much fun with the microphone, cheering people in, chatting to the bike sweep, and generally refusing to go off shift. You’ll hear from Nancy, the event manager and absolute boss of keeping things moving behind the scenes. You’ll hear from a crew tent that had somehow turned into a fully functioning social club, complete with card games, footy, wine, multiple athletes, and a very clear system of evacuating the chairs when the runners came in. You’ll hear from Lexi and Elise about the strange rhythm of crewing - lots of waiting, then sudden chaos, then waiting again. And you’ll hear Em at around 1am on the second night, offering some very important feedback about the race music. Apparently, by that point, we needed less dance party and more full 80s, 50-year-old-woman energy. Honestly, fair. I also want to acknowledge Shaun Kaesler, the man behind Ultra Series Australia and the person whose vision has brought Melbourne Frontyard Ultra to life. Shaun travelled over from WA, including driving event gear from South Australia, and he was there from the very beginning right through to the final pack-up. Unfortunately, he wasn’t feeling too well during the event, so I didn’t manage to grab him on the microphone, but it would feel very strange to talk about the people behind the yards without acknowledging him. This is his vision, and the rest of us were lucky enough to help bring it to life. So this episode is raw, a bit messy, very human, and probably a fairly accurate snapshot of what happens once the runners head out. Because Melbourne Frontyard Ultra is never just about the person who wins. It’s about everyone who turns up. Everyone who helps. Everyone who keeps the mood alive. Everyone who solves the tiny problems before they become big ones. And everyone who plays even a small part in helping someone get back to the start line one more time. Why You’ll Love This Episode You’ll hear what happens behind the scenes once the runners leave the corral There are volunteers, crew, race directors, party tents, snacks and slightly questionable sleep strategies Nikki and Paige give us a glimpse into timing, corral duties and volunteer life Stuart Rainbow brings full race director energy, including bell ringing, bike sweep chats and snack inspections Nancy gives us a peek into the event manager brain, which is basically adrenaline, caffeine and problem-solving The party tent crew may or may not convince you that crewing can look suspiciously like a social event Lexi and Elise explain the strange waiting-chaos-waiting rhythm of crewing Em makes a very strong case for better late-night race music It’s funny, warm, chaotic and full of the community spirit that makes these events so special A Few Favourite Themes The runners are the heart - but they are not the whole event Every runner has a whole little ecosystem around them: crew, vollies, event staff, friends, family, bike sweeps, food people, timing people and random snack deliverers. Crewing is its own endurance event You wait. You guess. You prepare everything. They come in and want none of it. Then you reset and do it all again. Volunteers make the event possible Timing, corral, cheering, marking off runners, watching who is still in and who is out - none of this happens without volunteers. Race directing is calm on the outside, mild panic underneath Everything is fine. Mostly. Probably. Unless the timing guy messages, the music cuts out, someone doesn’t tell you they’ve tapped out, or the weather decides to join in. The event village has its own personality Games, footy, wine, chairs, snacks, sleeping bags, spreadsheets, bags with instructions, and people saying they definitely don’t want to run one… yet. The best stories are often between the laps Not every moment shows up in the results, but these are the moments that make the event feel alive. Listen In For The Melbourne Frontyard Ultra countdown Nikki and Paige talking timing, corral duties and volunteer life The two-minute warning interrupting the volunteer chat Stuart Rainbow cheering Maureen in and sending her to ring the bell Why Stuart volunteers and why he finds it so much fun Adrian the bike sweep and his job of coming last every lap Carmel dropping off sweet treats for runners and volunteers Nancy in event HQ, trying to decide whether sleep is actually going to happen The music cutting out because messages were coming through on the phone The very honest race director line: “Everything’s fine” The party tent crew with games, footy, wine and five-ish athletes to look after The system of evacuating chairs when runners arrive Crew bags with pre-lap and post-lap instructions Lexi and Elise talking about crewing four Dandenong Trail Runners athletes The reality of crewing: lots of nothing, then lots of everything Packing like you might be home in a few hours… or a few days Em’s 1am music critique The call for full 80s, 50-year-old-woman energy A big acknowledgement of Shaun Kaesler and the Ultra Series Australia team Mentioned In This Episode Melbourne Frontyard Ultra Ultra Series Australia Shaun Kaesler Nancy Nikki Paige Stuart Rainbow Lexi Elise Em Adrian the bike sweep Carmel Dandenong Trail Runners Maureen No Time To Die Daft Punk’s “One More Time” Backyard Ultra / Frontyard Ultra format Melbourne Frontyard Ultra Melbourne Frontyard Ultra Event Website - https://www.melbournefyu.com.au/ Interested in the 2027 Melbourne Frontyard Ultra? Entries are open now for Saturday 1 May 2027 - and if 2026 is anything to go by, it’s going to be bigger, better, and likely to sell out. Enter here: https://www.melbournefyu.com.au/ 💛 Want your running to feel lighter again? If this conversation resonated, you might enjoy The Running Reset - a simple bundle of guided runs and practical tools to help you reset your rhythm, clear your head, and reconnect with why you run. 👉 https://www.zenrun.app/courses/the-running-reset 🙏 A couple of big favours 1️⃣ If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast - it helps more runners discover these conversations. 2️⃣ I’m always looking for runners to interview. If you or someone you know has a running story to share, I’d love to hear from you. Find me on Facebook or Instagram @ZenRUN.club or email hello@zenrun.club 🎧 Don’t miss an episode Subscribe to the ZenRUN Podcast in your favourite podcast app so new conversations land straight in your ears.

  7. Jul 13

    Episode 657 - Nagiska Mayes — From 200 Metres to Backyard Ultras, Big Feelings, and Finding Her People

    In this episode of the ZenRUN Podcast, I chat with the wonderful, funny, honest, mud-covered-in-the-car-after-a-run, Nagiska Mayes. And honestly? What a joy. Nagiska first appeared in the Melbourne Frontyard Ultra Mini-Series, but this time we get to properly sit down and find out more about who she is, where she came from, and how running has become such a huge part of her life. Nagiska was born in a car on the way to hospital - which feels very fitting, really, because she says she’s always been in a hurry to get where she’s going. She grew up moving around a lot, changing schools often, and navigating a childhood that was colourful, chaotic, sometimes difficult, and full of change. She is one of 15 siblings, landed in Victoria as a child, and eventually found a bit more stability in Koo Wee Rup, where she met her now-husband, Jack. Sport was not exactly Nagiska’s thing at school. In fact, she was the girl with the note. The “I can’t do sport today” girl. The “maybe I can get out of this” girl. And honestly, fair enough. As Nagiska shares so openly, there were layers behind that - self-consciousness, not having the right gear, not feeling fit, not wanting to embarrass herself, and a whole lot of life happening behind the scenes that teachers and classmates would never have known about. Fast forward a few years and somehow, through gyms, lockdowns, $20 Kmart shoes, and Jack suggesting they “just go for a run,” Nagiska found herself attempting her first run. She made it 200 metres. Not 2 kilometres. 200 metres. And then slowly, that became 1 kilometre. Then 2 kilometres. Then 5 kilometres. Then Spartan events. Then marathons. Then 100K. Then backyard ultras. Then Last One Standing. Then Melbourne Frontyard Ultra. As you do. We talk about her first pair of proper runners, her love of medals, her first big ultra experience, and the complicated feelings that can come with wanting to be seen, celebrated, and validated - while also learning to do things for yourself. Nagiska is beautifully honest about this. She talks openly about her need for recognition, her struggles with self-worth, her mental health, and how running has become one of the biggest tools in her life for processing, healing, connecting, and staying grounded. Running, for Nagiska, isn’t just fitness. It’s therapy. It’s identity. It’s connection. It’s structure. It’s community. And it’s also a place where she gets to shine. We also chat about the backyard ultra format and why it has pulled her in so strongly. For Nagiska, it’s the people. The atmosphere. The chance to keep coming back to base every hour. The community. The fires. The chats. The shared suffering. The fact that you can run alongside people you admire, and suddenly they know your name. She shares how crewing Jack at Wild Dog helped her fall in love with the format, how watching strong women like Margie Hadley inspired her, and how the backyard ultra world has given her friendships and support she deeply values. We also talk about Last One Standing, where Nagiska pushed herself through huge daily kilometres while still working big hours, eventually finishing second female and top seven overall. A massive achievement - even if her brain didn’t let her fully see it at the time. There’s so much in this episode: Growing up with instability and finding your own path The fear of embarrassing yourself Starting running from 200 metres Why shoes matter Building consistency through a run streak The emotional side of chasing big goals Backyard ultra community Finding your people Running with your partner and friends Mental health, honesty, and using running to process life Why scary things can lead to beautiful things Nagiska also shares what her running looks like now - structured training, speed sessions, long runs, rest days, strength work in her beautiful home gym, and a very full calendar of big events including You Yangs 100 Miler, King of the Hills, Aussie Alpines Backyard Ultra, and Melbourne Frontyard Ultra next year. Tips and Takeaways from Nagiska Start where you are Nagiska started with 200 metres. That matters. You don’t need to be “good” before you begin. Get decent shoes Her $20 Kmart shoes are now part of the origin story, but she’s very clear - shoes matter. They protect your feet, legs, hips, and body. One kilometre can change everything Nagiska’s run streak started with a simple commitment: minimum 1K a day. It helped her stop putting herself last and created consistency. Find your people Running is easier, richer, and more fun when you have people who get it. For Nagiska, that’s Jack, Rach, Margie, and the wider ultra community. Do the scary thing Nagiska nearly talked herself out of coming on the podcast, but booked straight away because she knew she might avoid the uncomfortable thing. Her reminder: the scary things often lead to growth. Running can help you process life Nagiska doesn’t describe running as escaping. She describes it as time to process, digest, and work through things. Pass the Baton This episode continues the new ZenRUN Podcast segment - Pass the Baton. The idea is simple: each guest answers a question from the previous guest, then leaves a question for the next runner. Nagiska answered Jason Rantall’s question: Would you entertain the idea of running a different format from what you normally run? You’ll need to listen to the episode to hear Nagiska’s full answer - and to find out what question she passes on to the next guest. Listen to this episode if… You’ve ever felt like you weren’t “a real runner.” You’ve ever started from scratch. You’ve ever wanted to be seen, but also wanted to prove something to yourself. You love the backyard ultra world. Or you just want to hear a funny, honest, full-hearted conversation with a runner who shines brightly - and is brave enough to talk about the darker bits too. 💛 Want your running to feel lighter again? If this conversation resonated, you might enjoy The Running Reset - a simple bundle of guided runs and practical tools to help you reset your rhythm, clear your head, and reconnect with why you run. 👉 Discover The Running Reset 🙏 A couple of big favours If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast - it helps more runners discover these conversations. I’m always looking for runners to interview. If you, or someone you know, has a running story to share, I’d love to hear from you. Find me on Facebook or Instagram at @ZenRUN.club or email hello@zenrun.club 🎧 Don’t miss an episode Subscribe to the ZenRUN Podcast in your favourite podcast app so new conversations land straight in your ears.

  8. Jul 8

    Episode 656 - ZenRUN Moment 6: notice when your body settles

    Have you ever noticed that many runs start out feeling a bit… awkward? Your legs feel heavy. Your breathing feels off. Your body isn’t quite sure what’s happening. And sometimes your brain is already suggesting that maybe today isn’t the day for a run at all. This week’s ZenRUN Moment is about noticing something that happens on almost every run: the moment your body settles. That point where your stride starts to feel smoother, your breathing finds a rhythm, and running begins to feel more natural. It’s often subtle, but once you start looking for it, you’ll realise it’s there more often than you think. The interesting thing is that many runners make decisions about a run before they’ve even given themselves time to arrive. We judge the first few minutes and assume the whole run will feel the same. But running doesn’t always work that way. Sometimes the body simply needs a little time to warm up, loosen up, and find its groove. On your next run, see if you can notice that transition. Don’t force it and don’t chase it. Just pay attention. You might discover that an uncomfortable beginning is simply part of the journey, not a sign that the run is going badly. Small moments of awareness like this can completely change the way running feels. 💛 Want your running (and your headspace) to feel a little lighter? If you enjoyed this ZenRUN Moment, you might love The Running Reset - a simple bundle of guided runs and tools designed to help you clear your mind, reset your rhythm, and fall back in love with running. 👉 https://www.zenrun.app/courses/the-running-reset A couple of small favours 1️⃣ If you’re enjoying the podcast, a quick follow, like, or review helps more runners discover it. 2️⃣ Got a running story - or know someone we should chat with? I’d love to hear from you. Find me on Facebook or Instagram @ZenRUN.club or email hello@zenrun.club

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