Arguing Agile

Brian Orlando
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We're arguing about agile so that you don't have to! We seek to prepare you to deal with real-life business agility challenges by demonstrating both sides of the real arguments you will encounter in your work and career.Arguing Agile is hosted by seasoned professionals who explore experience from their careers, share stories, and suggest advice to other professionals. We do these things while maintaining an unbiased position from any financial interest.

  1. AA251 - AI Product Managers Are Just Product Managers

    3D AGO

    AA251 - AI Product Managers Are Just Product Managers

    AI product manager jobs are everywhere - but are they really different from regular PM roles?  In this episode of Arguing Agile, Product Manager Brian Orlando and Enterprise Business Agility Consultant Om Patel wade deep into the muck-filled pool of hype vs. reality around AI-specific product management roles. Listen or watch to join us as we do the dirty work of discovering if most AI PM job descriptions are just copy-pasted PM responsibilities with 'AI' slapped on top, or if there's real insight to be found! Stick around past the buzzword bingo to learn: - the 'find and replace test' for job descriptions - the meaning behind "probabilistic vs. deterministic" - the real AI-specific skills that matter - how a 20-50% salary premium (and beyond) are justified - why we think continuous learning beats specialization Whether you're a product manager considering rebranding or a hiring manager crafting job descriptions, this episode will help you cut through the noise.  #ProductManagement #AIPM #CareerDevelopment Marty Cagan: Inspired: How to Create Tech Products Customers Love, The Lean Startup, Sinan Aral: The Hype Machine, Teresa Torres: Continuous Discovery Habits LINKS YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@arguingagile Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/362QvYORmtZRKAeTAE57v3 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/agile-podcast/id1568557596 INTRO MUSIC Toronto Is My Beat By Whitewolf (Source: https://ccmixter.org/files/whitewolf225/60181) CC BY 4.0 DEED (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/deed.en)

    1h 9m
  2. AA250 - CEOs Admit There's No AI ROI (But Keep Buying It Anyway)

    FEB 25

    AA250 - CEOs Admit There's No AI ROI (But Keep Buying It Anyway)

    AI had little to no impact on productivity in the past 3 years. This was according to a National Bureau of Economic Research survey released in February 2006 of 6,000 CEOs and executives across the US, UK, Germany, and Australia.  Instead of throwing fruit at us, watch or listen as Enterprise Business Agility Consultant Om Patel and Product Manager Brian Orlando discuss why it won't be the loudest Silicon Valley CEO helping us make the most out of these new tools and technology, but boring old process improvement and org design! Yes, the current research-backed consensus (we review more such articles and research) is that AI adoption doesn't lead to productivity gains, but executives are going to still buy it anyway - they've got "positive vibes." 🤡  So that leaves us to figure it out... and figure it out is exactly what we do, by discussing: Why Executives Won't Stop The AdoptionWhen AI Becomes the Unquestionable HiPPOAre We in the J-Curve, or a New BaselineDeming & Goldratt 101 (Automating a Broken Process)That's right! Tired of hype and want to understand WHY there's no productivity increases? This is the episode for you! #ArguingAgile #AIParadox #Leadership REFERENCES Fortune Article (Feb 2026), Financial Times S&P 500 Analysis (Sept 2025), METR Study (Jul 2025), Workday Study (Nov 2025), The Goal by Eliyahu Goldratt, Out of the Crisis by W. Edwards Deming LINKS YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@arguingagile Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/362QvYORmtZRKAeTAE57v3 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/agile-podcast/id1568557596 INTRO MUSIC Toronto Is My Beat By Whitewolf (Source: https://ccmixter.org/files/whitewolf225/60181) CC BY 4.0 DEED (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/deed.en)

    1h 1m
  3. AA249 - Disagree & Commit: Corporate Gaslighting? (And What To Do About It)

    FEB 18

    AA249 - Disagree & Commit: Corporate Gaslighting? (And What To Do About It)

    Is Amazon's famous leadership principle being weaponized against you?  Join Product Manager Brian Orlando and Enterprise Business Agility Consultant Om Patel as we talk about how "disagree and commit" becomes "shut up and obey" in most companies.  Watch or listen as we discuss one of tech's most misunderstood management concepts, covering topics such as: Difference between Amazon and Your CompanyRed flag phrasesWhy psychological safety is non-negotiableWhat happens when smart people stop pushing backThe OnE lEaDeRsHiP tRiCk managers hateAdditionally, drawing on research and experience, we build a framework for protecting yourself and your team from toxic decision-makers attempting to lift-and-shift the walls and roof of "disagree and commit" without the foundation. That's right - practical, diagnostic questions and actionable strategies to distinguish legitimate debate from leadership cowardice! #ProductManagement #AgileLeadership #WorkplaceCulture Google's Project Aristotle (2012-2014), Organizational Cynicism by James Dean Jr., Pamela Brandes, and Robbie Darwadkar (1998), Understanding and Managing Cynicism about Organizational Change by Rikers, Wanous, and Austin (1997), Arguing Agile Episode 243: How Corporate Turns Good People Bad, Jeff Bezos 2016 Letter to Shareholders LINKS YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@arguingagile Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/362QvYORmtZRKAeTAE57v3 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/agile-podcast/id1568557596 INTRO MUSIC Toronto Is My Beat By Whitewolf (Source: https://ccmixter.org/files/whitewolf225/60181) CC BY 4.0 DEED (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/deed.en)

    1h 8m
  4. AA248 - Expertise Overreach: Why Being Right ONCE Makes Leaders Think They're Right About EVERYTHING

    FEB 11

    AA248 - Expertise Overreach: Why Being Right ONCE Makes Leaders Think They're Right About EVERYTHING

    Your boss's biggest career win might be setting them up for their biggest failure. 🚨 Listen or watch as hosts Brian Orlando and Om Patel tackle a phenomenon that's rampant in tech but rarely named: Expertise Overreach: when someone's success in one narrow domain inflates their confidence across every domain, with devastating consequences for teams, roadmaps, and the entire organization. In this episode, we're diving deep into the murky pool of psychology, neuroscience, and organizational dynamics behind why overconfident leaders derail teams (and how you can protect yourself). 🔑 Key Topics Include: 1. Why Being "Really" Right Once Can Be Dangerous 2. How Power Literally Changes Your Brain (a quick recap) 3. What Happens Inside the Yes-Men Factory 4. How Tech's Hero Worship Problem Makes It All Worse 5. Tips for Protecting Your Team and Your Sanity This episode helps with practical strategies for dealing with overconfident "leaders," so please 👉 share this with a colleague who you know might need to hear it! #ProductManagement #Leadership #AgileCoaching Moore & Healy 2008 - The Trouble with Overconfidence (Psychological Review), Power Changes How the Brain Responds to Others 2014 (Journal of Experimental Psychology), Westfall & Bednar 2005 - Pluralistic Ignorance in Corporate Boards (Administrative Science Quarterly), Arguing Agile Episode #243: How Corporate Turns Good People Bad, Steve Jobs (hire smart people to tell us what to do), Amazon's Disagree and Commit principle LINKS YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@arguingagile Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/362QvYORmtZRKAeTAE57v3 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/agile-podcast/id1568557596 INTRO MUSIC Toronto Is My Beat By Whitewolf (Source: https://ccmixter.org/files/whitewolf225/60181) CC BY 4.0 DEED (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/deed.en)

    47 min
  5. AA247 - AI is a Poor Team-Player: Stanford's CooperBench Experiment

    FEB 4

    AA247 - AI is a Poor Team-Player: Stanford's CooperBench Experiment

    AI agents failed spectacularly at teamwork, performing ~50% worse than one solo agent! This week, we're discussing Stanford’s CooperBench study (a benchmark, testing whether AI agents can collaborate on real coding tasks across Python, TypeScript, Go, and Rust) and why AI-developer coordination collapses, even with a constant chat. Listen or watch as Product Manager Brian Orlando and Enterprise Business Agility Consultant Om Patel dig into the methods and findings of Stanford’s 2026 CooperBench experiment and learn about the three capability gaps that caused these failures:  • Expectation Failures (42%): Agents ignored shared plans or misunderstood scope • Commitment Failures (32%): Promised work was never completed • Communication Failures (26%): Silence, spam, or hallucinations The experiment's findings seem to confirm human-refined agile practices. The episode ends with a concrete call to action: stop treating AI as teammates. Use them as solo contributors. And if you must coordinate? Build working agreements, not handoffs. This episode is for anyone navigating the AI hype cycle and wondering if swarms of agents are going to coordinate everyone out of a job! #Agile #AI #ProductManagement SOURCE CooperBench: Benchmarking AI Agents' Cooperation (Stanford University & SAP Labs US) https://cooperbench.com/ https://cooperbench.com/static/pdfs/main.pdf LINKS YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@arguingagile Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/362QvYORmtZRKAeTAE57v3 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/agile-podcast/id1568557596 INTRO MUSIC Toronto Is My Beat By Whitewolf (Source: https://ccmixter.org/files/whitewolf225/60181) CC BY 4.0 DEED (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/deed.en)

    51 min
  6. AA246 - The Spotify Model: The Viral Org Design That NEVER Existed

    JAN 28

    AA246 - The Spotify Model: The Viral Org Design That NEVER Existed

    Spotify never used the Spotify Model - and neither should you.  In this $2 billion episode, Product Manager Brian Orlando and Enterprise Business Agility Consultant Om Patel take a cutting torch to one of big-A-Agile's most beloved organizational myths - the Spotify Model! We're doing invasive surgery to see what's inside beyond the over-hyped squads, tribes, chapters, and guilds that have been copied by companies the world over.  ...but what if we found out that the inside was hollow?  What if we found out that the Spotify Model was never even live and tested by Spotify? 🔥 LISTEN OR WATCH AS WE DISCUSS • Why Spotify Insiders call the model "aspirational and never fully implemented" • Why the model had little or no relation to Spotify's success • How survivorship bias tricks us into studying only "winners" • The four critical failures of the Spotify Model 💡 DON'T WANT TO WAIT FOR TAKEAWAYS? OK, no problem, but before adopting ANY organizational model, ask: 1. Is this documented practice or just aspiration? 2. Has the source company evolved past this model? 3. What's the original author's current position on its effectiveness? Please follow the podcast if you'd like us to do more myth-busting content about organizational design fads from 2015! #Transformation #SpotifyModel LINKS YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@arguingagile Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/362QvYORmtZRKAeTAE57v3 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/agile-podcast/id1568557596 INTRO MUSIC Toronto Is My Beat By Whitewolf (Source: https://ccmixter.org/files/whitewolf225/60181) CC BY 4.0 DEED (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/deed.en)

    55 min
  7. AA245 - Legacy Code: Why Big Rewrites Fail (And What Actually Works)

    JAN 22

    AA245 - Legacy Code: Why Big Rewrites Fail (And What Actually Works)

    Legacy systems work. So why do companies waste millions rewriting them?  In this episode of Arguing Agile, Product Manager Nisha Patel joins Product Manager Brian Orlando and Enterprise Business Agility Consultant Om Patel for a debate on the dangerous obsession with rewriting legacy systems — from COBOL to green screens — that still power ATMs, government systems, and Fortune 500 billing engines.  Watch or listen as we discuss the myth that "modern" equals "better" and reveal how most rewrites fail because they ignore customer value, edge cases, and real ROI as well as other topics, such as: How Chesterton’s Fence applies to code (Brian still doesn't know)How Developers kill software with Resume-Driven Development (RDD)How Finance kills software with spreadsheet-driven development (SDD)Why chasing "parity" kills innovationRisk Mitigation, or, framing technical debt in business termsIf you've ever worked on or tried to replace legacy systems, this episode will either give you nightmares, or help how you approach legacy systems while helping you also stop burning budget on vanity projects. #LegacyCode #ProductManagement #AgileCoaching REFERENCES AA148 - An Introduction to Software Development Finances LINKS YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@arguingagile Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/362QvYORmtZRKAeTAE57v3 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/agile-podcast/id1568557596 INTRO MUSIC Toronto Is My Beat By Whitewolf (Source: https://ccmixter.org/files/whitewolf225/60181) CC BY 4.0 DEED (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/deed.en)

    1h 4m
  8. AA244 - Why Your Meetings SUCK (And How to Fix Them) | Patrick Lencioni: Death by Meeting

    JAN 14

    AA244 - Why Your Meetings SUCK (And How to Fix Them) | Patrick Lencioni: Death by Meeting

    Your meetings aren't boring because there are too many; they're boring because they lack drama, structure, and purpose! That's the claim made by Patrick Lencioni's book: Death by Meeting (2004)! Watch or listen as Product Manager Brian Orlando and Enterprise Business Agility Consultant Om Patel use this book as a guide to discuss why most workplace meetings fail and how to transform them into productive, engaging sessions that people actually want to attend. 🔥 KEY TOPICS COVERED: • The 3 Fatal Flaws That Kill Your Meetings • Lencioni's 4 Meeting Framework • Why "one comprehensive meeting" fails everyone equally • How to audit your recurring meetings (kill the useless ones) • How Lencioni's framework intersects with Scrum Whether you're a product manager or just plain drowning in calendar bloat, this episode gives you actionable strategies to reclaim your time and run meetings that actually matter! Let us know what you think in the comments... and what meetings you'd kill if you could!?! #MeetingManagement #AgileCoaching #ProductManagement Death by Meeting by Patrick Lencioni, The Five Dysfunctions of a Team by Patrick Lencioni, Arguing Agile Episode 217: Extreme Ownership - Military Leadership Lessons for Professionals, A Few Good Men (film), Raiders of the Lost Ark (film), Scrum Framework, SAFe PI Planning, The Real World (MTV show) LINKS YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@arguingagile Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/362QvYORmtZRKAeTAE57v3 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/agile-podcast/id1568557596 https://arguingagile.com/ INTRO MUSIC Toronto Is My Beat By Whitewolf (Source: https://ccmixter.org/files/whitewolf225/60181) CC BY 4.0 DEED (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/deed.en)

    53 min
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We're arguing about agile so that you don't have to! We seek to prepare you to deal with real-life business agility challenges by demonstrating both sides of the real arguments you will encounter in your work and career.Arguing Agile is hosted by seasoned professionals who explore experience from their careers, share stories, and suggest advice to other professionals. We do these things while maintaining an unbiased position from any financial interest.

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  • Creator
    Brian Orlando
  • Years Active
    2021 - 2026
  • Episodes
    251
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