The Civil Fleet Podcast

Ben Cowles

Saving lives at sea is not a crime But for the past few years, European states have treated those brave enough to save refugees from drowning in the Mediterranean as if they were breaking the law. Welcome to The Civil Fleet, a podcast by civilfleet.com that focuses on the NGO refugee rescuers in the central Mediterranean and beyond.

  1. Oct 15

    Episode 93: Biking Against Borders

    In this episode we speak with Seb, a 26-year-old bus driver cycling from Amsterdam to Japan, raising money for No Name Kitchen and MiGrate, and raising awareness of brutalities of the global border regime.  ---Support The Civil Fleet Podcast--- ko-fi.com/civilfleet ---Get in touch--- Twitter: @FleetCivil Mastodon: @civilfleet@kolektiva.social Bluesky: @thecivilfleet.bsky.social Instagram: thecivilfleet YouTube: youtube.com/@thecivilfleet info@civilfleet.com civilfleet.com ---Show notes--- For more from Seb, see his website here: sebbiebikes.org And follow him on Instagram: sebbiebikes For more on No Name Kitchen, see: nonamekitchen.org And check out episodes 87, 63, 59, 58, 51, 41, and 6 of The Civil Fleet Podcast For more on MiGreat, check out migreat.org/en Seb and Ben mention a bunch of books in the episode. Here they are: The Divide by Jason Hickle  Humanitarian borders by Polly Pallister-Wilkins Whites, Jews and Us by Houria Bouteldja After We Kill You, We Will Welcome You Back As Honoured Guests by Ted Rall Base Nation by David Vine  The Jakarta Method by Vincent Bevans Border and Rule by Harsha Walia [Please don't buy them from Amazon. Jeff Bezos has enough money already. He can f**k off to Mars] See here for more on Dutch war crimes during the  Battle of Chora in Afganistan, see here: https://www.courthousenews.com/dutch-court-finds-2007-bombing-of-afghan-village-unlawful/  Here's the video Ben mentioned of Afghanis clinging to a US plane retreating from the country in 2021 as the Taliban returned to power: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUkObNlWjsI  Core Countries – what is Ben talking about? If you want to know more about World Systems Analysis, then check out this great introduction on the theory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EtOm0N_NVM&t=209s  For more on the arms firm Lockheed Martin, see his article by Campaign Against the Arms Trade: https://caat.org.uk/data/companies/lockheed-martin/  Read The Lancet's study on the number of people killed by economic sanctions since the 1970s here: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(25)00278-5/fulltext

  2. Jul 30

    Episode 91: Titanic profits from Britain's performative cruelty

    In this episode we speak with Toni from Corporate Watch about Titan Airways, a charter airline company making millions from Britain's deportation regime.  She tells us how the firm is generating wealth by tearing families apart, making a killing from every juncture in the cycle of war, and using sport to wash its image.  ---Support The Civil Fleet Podcast--- ko-fi.com/civilfleet ---Get in touch--- Twitter: @FleetCivil Mastodon: @civilfleet@kolektiva.social Bluesky: @thecivilfleet.bsky.social Instagram: thecivilfleet YouTube: youtube.com/@thecivilfleet info@civilfleet.com civilfleet.com ---Show notes--- Check out Corporate Watch here: corporatewatch.org/  Follow Corporate Watch on BlueSky: @corporatewatch.bsky.social And on Instagram: corporatewatchuk Read Toni's co-authored article on Titan Airways here: https://corporatewatch.org/titan-airways-the-charter-airline-quietly-making-millions-from-deportations/ Read the UN document Ben and Toni mention in the episode: https://spcommreports.ohchr.org/TMResultsBase/DownLoadPublicCommunicationFile?gId=30524 For more on Corporate Watch, Air Partner and CarlsonWagonlit, check out episode 40 of The Civil Fleet Podcast. Here's an article about former British Prime Minister praising Italy's return hub deal with Albania: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvgddpq44qjt. And here's another: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/starmer-asylum-seekers-albania-meloni-italy-b2612898.html For more on Deportation Watch, see here: https://uk.deportationwatch.net/en For more on Britain, listen to episodes: 83, 82, 73, 67, 63, 62, 61, 57, 39, 38, 32, 25, 21 and 11. You can sign JCWI's petition calling for an end to the UK and France's 1-in-1-out deal here: https://actionnetwork.org/letters/stop-racist-and-cruel-one-in-one-out-deportations/ Toni mentions Gary Stevenson and his YouTube channel, Gary's Economics. If you've somehow not heard of him, check him out here: youtube.com/@garyseconomics Toni references former England footballer and pundit Gary Lineker and the Patriotic Millionaires group calling on the British government to tax them more. Check them out here: https://patrioticmillionaires.org/ According to Flightradar24, July 23, 2026 had the most commercial flights in a single day than any other in history: https://www.newsweek.com/global-air-travel-had-busiest-day-on-record-12245968 Ben mentions No Name Kitchen and Sea-Watch. For more on the former, see episodes 87, 63, 59, 58, 51, 41, and 6, and listen to episodes 90, 70, 65, 43, 22, 7 and 1 for the latter.

  3. Jul 16

    Episode 90: Saving lives under fire

    In this episode we speak with Sea-Watch spokesperson Julia Winkler about the so-called Libyan Coastguard's shooting of the Sea-Watch 5 rescue ship in May.  She tells us how, following the horrific attack, the Italian authorities absurdly put the ship's captain under investigation.  Julia also tells us how the rescuers hope to put legal pressure on the German government to protect Sea-Watch's activists from the Libyan gunmen in the future.  ---Support The Civil Fleet Podcast--- ko-fi.com/civilfleet ---Get in touch--- Twitter: @FleetCivil Mastodon: @civilfleet@kolektiva.social Bluesky: @thecivilfleet.bsky.social Instagram: thecivilfleet YouTube: youtube.com/@thecivilfleet info@civilfleet.com civilfleet.com ---Show notes--- For more on Sea-Watch, visit: sea-watch.org/en Follow Sea-Watch on BlueSky: @en.sea-watch.org Instagram: seawatchcrew Also, check out episodes 70, 65, 43, 22, 7 and 1 of The Civil Fleet Podcast for more on Sea-Watch See the Justice Fleet's list of Libyan Coastguard attacks on activists rescuers here: https://justice-fleet.org/en/incidents  For more on Captain Support Network, see here: captainsupport.net Listen to episode 80 to hear about the Libyan Coastguard's attack on the SOS Mediterranee  Julia mentions a previous episode of The Civil Fleet Podcast with Mustafa, Bairbre and Louise from Mataris Sudan Solidarity Committee and 50 Out Of Many. Listen to episode 85 for that.  Check out episodes 53 and 35 to hear from people who faced criminal charges for allegedly captaining a refugee boat. For a deeper dive on the Libyan Coastguards, check out episode 86 with Frey Lindsay from State Watch For more on the Iuventa case, listen to episodes 54, 24, and 2 For more on Netflix's 23,000 Lives, see here: https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/81660283

  4. May 2

    Episode 89: Intercepted by the Israeli Navy

    In this episode, we speak with Esmé, an activist and chef with the Global Sumud Flotilla.    She tells us about the activist group's humanitarian mission to Gaza, and what she saw during the Israeli navy's raid on the flotilla in international waters off Greece.    She also speaks on the kidnapping of her fellow activists and the beatings they were subjected on an Israeli ship.    ---Support The Civil Fleet Podcast---   ko-fi.com/civilfleet   ---Get in touch---   Twitter: @FleetCivil   Mastodon: @civilfleet@kolektiva.social   Bluesky: @thecivilfleet.bsky.social   Instagram: thecivilfleet   YouTube: youtube.com/@thecivilfleet   info@civilfleet.com   civilfleet.com   ---Show notes---   For more on the Global Sumud Flotilla, see: globalsumudflotilla.org You can track the progress of the GSF ships here: globalsumudflotilla.org/tracker   Follow GSF on social media: Instagram: globalsumudflotilla on Twitter: @gbsumudflotilla   Read about GSF on The Civil Fleet: https://thecivilfleet.wordpress.com/tag/Global-Sumud-Flotilla/   Check out episode 81 of The Civil Fleet Podcast with journalist Lorenzo D'Agostino to hear how last year's GSF mission ended when the crew were kidnapped by the IDF, taken to an Israeli prison and tortured.    For more The Civil Fleet Podcast episodes on Greece, see episodes 68, 60, 56, 53, 52, 50, 35, 34, 28, 26, 18, 9 and 4   For more on the Open Arms rescue ship, check out episodes 30 and 13

  5. Apr 11

    Episode 88: Fighting and beating Frontex in Court

    In this episode we speak with Iftach Cohen, co-founder of Front-LEX, a nonprofit legal organisation challenging EU border violence in court.     Iftach is going to tell us about the Alaa Hamoudi case, a Syrian man who was pushed back from Greece to Turkey by the Greek Coastguards in 2020, right under the eyes of the European Border and Coastguard agency, Frontex.    He tell us how Front-LEX won this case for Hamoudi at the EU's top court in January, and explains why this landmark legal victory should "benefit all future victims of Frontex's activities, and bring to an end its de facto immunity" in court.    Iftach will also tell us about a Frontex's report on the Greek government using Afghan paramilitaries to push people back to Turkey   ---Support The Civil Fleet Podcast---   ko-fi.com/civilfleet   ---Get in touch---   Twitter: @FleetCivil   Mastodon: @civilfleet@kolektiva.social   Bluesky: @thecivilfleet.bsky.social   Instagram: thecivilfleet   info@civilfleet.com   civilfleet.com   ---Show notes---   For more on Front-Lex, see: front-lex.eu And follow them on BlueSky: front_lex Read Front-Lex's article on the Alaa Hamoudi case: https://front-lex.eu/the-court-of-justice-of-the-european-union-delivers-a-first-legal-victory-in-a-pushback-case-against-frontex-a-landmark-judgment-in-hamoudi-v-frontex/ For more on former Frontex chief Fabrice Leggeri, and why he's being investigated for crimes against humanity, read this report in Le Monde:  http://lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2026/03/25/why-former-frontex-chief-fabrice-leggeri-is-under-investigation-for-complicity-in-crimes-against-humanity_6751795_7.html  For more on Frontex, see episodes 76, 68, 54, 52, 50, 34, 31, 23, 15, 7 and 1 of The Civil Fleet Podcast.  For more on the Pylos shipwreck, see episodes 60 and 52 (the latter of which has Lighthouse Reports journalist Bashar Deeb) Watch Bashar Deeb's report on Hamoudi's case, here: youtube.com/watch?v=Td5e9Y7U6ZI Check out episodes 3, 4, 9, 16, 25, 26, 28, 35, 53, and 56 for more on Greece For more on Refugees in Libya, see episodes: 79 and 29. You can read Frontex's redacted report on the pushback case in Greece involving Afghan paramilitaries on The Civil Fleet's website, in the post about this article.  The quote attributed to the late Tony Benn is: "The way the government treats refugees is very instructive because it shows you how they would treat the rest of us if they thought they could get away with it." Apparently, it was Scottish journalist Neal Ascherson who said it in 1996: "The way a state treats its aliens is the way it would treat its own subjects if it dared."  You can read that here: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/if-we-teach-children-morality-what-will-we-say-about-the-arms-trade-1325052.html

  6. Feb 12

    Episode 86: What is the Libyan Coastguard?

    In this episode, we speak with Frey Lindsay, a journalist with the transparency and civil liberties organisation Statewatch.    He tells us how the so-called Libyan Coastguard is far from a unified organisation but is, in fact, an amalgamation of groups with different structures and vying allegiances.  Frey also tells us about a leaked EU document, obtained by Statewatch recently, that proposes the bloc outsource its SAR operations in the Mediterranean to non-European countries and have them take the rescued to non-EU ports.  ---Support The Civil Fleet Podcast---   ko-fi.com/civilfleet   ---Get in touch---   Twitter: @FleetCivil   Mastodon: @civilfleet@kolektiva.social   Bluesky: @thecivilfleet.bsky.social   Instagram: thecivilfleet   info@civilfleet.com   civilfleet.com   ---Show notes---   Follow Frey Lindsay on BlueSky: @freylindsay.bsky.social You can read Frey's InfoMigrants article on the Libyan Coastguards here: https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/67224/the-libyan-coast-guard--explained For more on Statewatch, check out: statewatch.org Follow them on Bluesky: @statewatch.bsky.social Check out Statewatch's Outsourcing Borders project: statewatch.org/outsourcing-borders-monitoring-eu-externalisation-policy And sign up to their newsletter here: statewatch.org/outsourcing-borders-monitoring-eu-externalisation-policy/mailing-list/ Frey mentions the Ocean Viking and SOS Mediterranee. For more on them, check out episodes episode 75 and 80 of The Civil Fleet Podcast For more on Libya and the so-called Libya Coastguard, listen to episodes 80, 79, 75, 65m 55, 52, 43, 29, 23, 19, 15, 10, 7 and 1 Frey mentions Lighthouse Reports. Check them out here: lighthousereports.com. And listen to episodes 52 and 34 For more on Italian Prime Minister Georgia Meloni meeting with Libyan warlord General Khalifa Haftar, see this report from InfoMigrants: https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/48746/italylibya-meloni-meets-haftar-migration-a-priority   For more on the TBZ brigade and General Haftar's alleged links to human trafficking, see this report in Spiegal International: https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/more-like-kidnapping-a-brutal-libyan-militia-helps-europe-keep-migrants-at-bay-a-0c68d2b5-37bd-4267-b98c-8279a059e2bc    For more on the EU's plans for an MRCC in eastern Libya, read this Statewatch report: https://www.statewatch.org/news/2026/january/eu-to-increase-lethal-migration-cooperation-with-libya/    For more on the Piantedosi Decree, listen to episodes 84, 71 and 66 Check out this 2018 report on the EU's 'disembarkation platforms' idea: https://www.politico.eu/article/regional-disembarkation-platforms-eu-leaders-consider-camps-outside-bloc-to-process-refugees/  And check out The Civil Fleet's new exclusive story (that Ben mentions at the beginning and end of the episode) here: https://thecivilfleet.wordpress.com/2026/02/06/at-least-14-people-died-in-home-office-asylum-seeker-accommodation-in-first-six-months-of-2025/

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Saving lives at sea is not a crime But for the past few years, European states have treated those brave enough to save refugees from drowning in the Mediterranean as if they were breaking the law. Welcome to The Civil Fleet, a podcast by civilfleet.com that focuses on the NGO refugee rescuers in the central Mediterranean and beyond.

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