The Ryan Dsouza Podcast

Ryan Dsouza

Long-form conversations about India's economy, technology and how we live. Ryan Dsouza talks with economists, founders, researchers and writers about jobs, AI, money and the choices shaping our future. Start with Ravi Handa on leaving India and financial independence. Follow for new conversations. Watch on YouTube: @decentmakeover

  1. Aug 29

    "The government is lying to you" — Prof Santosh Mehrotra on India's jobs crisis

    Prof Santosh Mehrotra challenges India's headline growth story and argues that the economy is not creating enough jobs. Drawing on labour-force data, he examines youth unemployment, workers returning to agriculture, and the risk of missing India's demographic dividend. A co-author of India Out of Work, Mehrotra discusses manufacturing, services and the employment effects of recent economic policies. The conversation also covers what he thinks the government has got right. Follow the Ryan Dsouza podcast for more conversations about India’s economy, technology and public life. Chapters 0:00 "The government is lying to you" 0:46 Is India really the fastest-growing large economy? 5:47 Why a government would inflate the growth number 9:08 Why the north and the south hear the same story differently 12:21 What happens to 100 million young people out of work 16:12 The protests, and why he predicted them seven years ago 21:27 Why the education minister did not resign 26:20 The demographic dividend, and what it costs to miss it 32:21 Ageing before getting rich: Europe, Japan, and no pension 39:07 Is there a way out? "We have done it before" 40:48 Why the services sector cannot carry it 43:16 Demonetisation, and a badly designed GST 49:32 Lockdown: 35 million returned; farm employment rose 80 million in four years 52:09 PLI: 12 of the 14 sectors create few jobs 53:00 China at 31%, India at 3% 55:10 What this government got right 56:12 Is the BJP actually popular? 59:19 What the SIR is Recorded remotely. The figures and characterisations in this episode are Prof Mehrotra's own. Artwork background: Ministry of Parliamentary Affairs / PIB, new Parliament building (cropped and composited), Government Open Data License–India. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Glimpses_of_the_new_Parliament_Building,_in_New_Delhi_(2).jpg

    "The government is lying to you" — Prof Santosh Mehrotra on India's jobs crisis
  2. Aug 25

    India Doesn't Need Another Frontier Model | Bhavik Vasa

    Bhavik Vasa argues that India's AI opportunity lies in specialised models built around proprietary data and practical business problems. The conversation explores where he sees value in applied AI, why a digital footprint is not the same as a credit decision, and what faster underwriting could mean for small businesses. We discuss UPI, GST and the India Stack, the economics of large language models, and Vasa's view that financing will become increasingly embedded in everyday business tools. Follow the Ryan Dsouza podcast for more conversations about India’s economy, technology and public life. Chapters: 0:00 Cold open 0:46 Has the AI revolution reached B2B? 2:32 We've seen this hype cycle before 3:53 The value shifts to applied AI 6:32 Why India should build SLMs, not another frontier model 9:03 Instant underwriting on proprietary Indian data 10:33 What LLMs changed that machine learning couldn't 12:45 UPI, GST and the India Stack 13:54 A digital footprint is not a credit decision 17:51 If the rails are ready, where is the lending explosion? 21:53 Does regulation slow this down? 25:20 Squaring SLMs with OpenAI and Anthropic's growth 26:38 "You're only looking at revenue, not the cost of operations" 29:02 Is enterprise data actually ready? 30:48 GeM Sahay: instant credit for ten lakh MSMEs 34:30 The future of financing is invisible 35:40 The AI tools Bhavik actually uses 38:18 Embedding credit inside Tally and QuickBooks 40:24 Closing thoughts Artwork background: Carl Lender, Datacenter Server Racks (cropped and composited), CC BY 2.0. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Datacenter_Server_Racks_(22370909788).jpg · https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/

    India Doesn't Need Another Frontier Model | Bhavik Vasa
  3. Jun 29

    The AI Arms Race Begins | Raghav Toshniwal on Sovereign AI, China, India & Frontier Models

    The race to build powerful AI systems is also a contest between countries. Raghav Toshniwal joins Ryan Dsouza to discuss sovereign AI, the US–China rivalry, and India's position in the competition around frontier models. We explore the chips and computing power behind that race, alongside questions of AI safety and what increasingly capable systems could mean for ordinary users. The conversation connects the international competition with the technology people encounter in everyday life. Follow the Ryan Dsouza podcast for more conversations about India’s economy, technology and public life. Chapters 00:00 Claude Fable gets blocked 03:26 Does the ban actually help Anthropic? 08:49 AI becomes a national security issue 09:28 Why countries want sovereign AI 13:30 NVIDIA, Taiwan, and the AI supply chain 17:04 Who should fund AI infrastructure? 18:28 Are AI models actually profitable? 21:27 What went wrong with GPT-4.5? 24:20 Can India build its own frontier model? 28:27 RL environments and the new data bottleneck 30:02 Is this good or bad news for India? 32:41 What this means for frontier AI labs 33:36 Recursive self-improvement begins 35:23 Do AI products have switching costs? 40:46 Are we already in AI takeoff? 42:32 Why hasn’t AI caused runaway growth yet? 44:42 Where do AI use cases stop? 50:16 What does AI safety actually mean? 52:51 Why would AI become dangerous? 56:08 What safety teams are working on 59:32 Does RLHF solve alignment? 1:00:26 Reward hacking and Goodhart’s law 1:03:40 Why safety research needs compute 1:07:38 What should normal AI users do? 1:08:03 Gradual disempowerment 1:11:27 Are we already seeing warning signs? 1:13:48 Are LLMs the path to AGI? 1:15:23 Timelines for automated AI researchers 1:18:20 Can independent researchers contribute? 1:22:45 Closing Podcast Socials : Instagram : https://www.instagram.com/decentmakeover Twitter : https://twitter.com/decentmakeovr Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryan-dsouza-74542b295/ PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://anchor.fm/ryandsouza Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3NQhg6S Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3qJ3tWJ Amazon Music: https://amzn.to/3P66j2B Google Podcasts: https://bit.ly/3am7rQc Gaana: https://bit.ly/3ANS4v1 RSS: https://anchor.fm/s/609210d4/podcast/rss

    The AI Arms Race Begins | Raghav Toshniwal on Sovereign AI, China, India & Frontier Models
  4. Jun 19

    Ravi Handa: Should You Leave India? (FIRE, Moving Abroad & the 1% Trap)

    In this episode, I sit down with Ravi Handa — ex teacher turned edtech founder (his business was acquired by Unacademy), who FIRE'd at 40 and now lives in Jaipur — to make the case for why most ambitious young Indians should seriously consider leaving the country.We cover two big things. First, the move-abroad argument: why he thinks you should take a decade-plus view rather than a 2–5 year one, why India's growth story can be intact while still being a worse bet for you as an individual, and the quality-of-life basics India doesn't deliver even for the 1% — clean water, clean air, unadulterated food, and education beyond the top 5% of institutions. We get into "scarcity mindset" and "crab mentality," why taxes feel like a raw deal for the top 2%, who this advice actually applies to (and why it's easier the higher up the ladder you are), and why 35 is roughly the deadline.Then we pivot to FIRE — the five lucky breaks that let him retire at 40, why you shouldn't anchor on retiring at 35 or 40, how cost of living in India is "not a monolith" (Jaipur vs Bangalore), and why he's building again despite preaching financial independence.More on Ravi ,Handa Uncle : https://www.handauncle.com/Twitter : https://x.com/ravihanda?lang=enLinkedin : https://in.linkedin.com/in/ravihandaInstagram : https://www.instagram.com/ravihanda/?hl=enFacebook : https://www.facebook.com/ravihanda/YouTube : https://www.youtube.com/user/ravihandaPodcast Socials :Instagram : https://www.instagram.com/decentmakeoverTwitter : https://twitter.com/decentmakeovrLinkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryan-dsouza-74542b295/PODCAST INFO:Podcast website: https://anchor.fm/ryandsouzaApple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3NQhg6SSpotify: https://spoti.fi/3qJ3tWJAmazon Music: https://amzn.to/3P66j2BGoogle Podcasts: https://bit.ly/3am7rQcGaana: https://bit.ly/3ANS4v1RSS: https://anchor.fm/s/609210d4/podcast/rss

  5. May 30

    The Real AI Goldmine Isn't Foundation Models | Bhavik Vasa (GetVantage)

    At Mumbai Tech Week 2026, the conversation around “AI in Action” is shifting from hype to real-world execution.In this deep-dive conversation, GetVantage Founder Bhavik Vasa joins Ryan to discuss why India’s biggest AI opportunity isn’t in building trillion-parameter LLMs — but in Applied AI powered by proprietary enterprise data, digital infrastructure, and embedded finance.From MSME lending and OCEN to cashflow-based financing, underwriting automation, due diligence, and workflow intelligence — this episode explores how India can become a global powerhouse in AI-led economic productivity.Key topics covered:•⁠ ⁠Why AI FOMO around public LLMs is fading•⁠ ⁠The rise of Small Language Models (SLMs)•⁠ ⁠Proprietary data as the real competitive moat•⁠ ⁠India Stack, UPI, GST & the MSME credit gap•⁠ ⁠How GetVantage uses Applied AI for underwriting•⁠ ⁠GrowthSahay, OCEN & embedded finance infrastructure•⁠ ⁠Revenue-based financing vs founder dilution•⁠ ⁠AI-powered due diligence & tender automation•⁠ ⁠The future of invisible finance and automated enterprise workflowsIf you're attending Mumbai Tech Week, building in AI, fintech, SaaS, embedded finance, digital lending, or enterprise infrastructure — this conversation is for you.Keywords:Mumbai Tech Week, MTW 2026, AI in Action, Applied AI, Proprietary Data, Small Language Models, SLMs, India AI ecosystem, Embedded Finance, OCEN, Revenue Based Financing, MSME Credit Gap, Digital Lending India, India

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Long-form conversations about India's economy, technology and how we live. Ryan Dsouza talks with economists, founders, researchers and writers about jobs, AI, money and the choices shaping our future. Start with Ravi Handa on leaving India and financial independence. Follow for new conversations. Watch on YouTube: @decentmakeover