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Six Pixels of Separation Podcast

Six Pixels of Separation - Mitch Joel’s weekly conversation with business leaders, thinkers, innovators and cultural icons. The show is about insights and provocations on brands, consumers, technology, business and how connected we’ve all become.

  1. SPOS #957 – Brigid Schulte On Transforming The Daily Grind Into A Better Life

    2 DAYS AGO

    SPOS #957 – Brigid Schulte On Transforming The Daily Grind Into A Better Life

    Welcome to episode #957 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. Brigid Schulte is an award-winning journalist and bestselling author who has spent her career delving into the intricacies of modern life, particularly the challenges of balancing work, love, and play. With nearly 17 years at The Washington Post, where she was part of a team that won The Pulitzer Prize, Brigid has written for a myriad of publications including The Atlantic, The Guardian, Time, and Slate. Her work often focuses on the unsustainable pace of our always-on culture and the societal narratives that shape our perceptions of success and fulfillment. In this conversation, Brigid discusses her latest book, Over Work - Transforming The Daily Grind In The Quest For A Better Life (her first book was, Overwhelmed - Work, Love, And Play When No One Has Time). She explores how, despite advancements meant to make life easier, many of us feel more pressed for time than ever. The pandemic, she notes, has been a catalyst in reshaping our understanding of work and its true value. It has highlighted stark disparities between knowledge workers who can work remotely and low-wage workers who often face systemic barriers to advancement. Brigid challenges the long-held belief that longer hours equate to better work, emphasizing that this narrative is flawed and detrimental. Workers today are increasingly seeking meaningful and dignified work, and leadership plays a crucial role in shaping a culture that supports this. We delve into how technology, while disruptive, also has the potential to create new job opportunities - but only if we rethink how we value different types of work. If you're interested in understanding the complexities of modern work culture and exploring actionable ways to create a more balanced and fulfilling life, Brigid's insights are both enlightening and timely. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 1:01:17. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Subscribe over at Apple Podcasts. Please visit and leave comments on the blog - Six Pixels of Separation. Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: Mitch Joel on Facebook. Check out ThinkersOne. or you can connect on LinkedIn. ...or on Twitter. Here is my conversation with Brigid Schulte. Over Work - Transforming The Daily Grind In The Quest For A Better Life. Overwhelmed - Work, Love, And Play When No One Has Time. Follow Brigid on X. Follow Brigid on LinkedIn. This week's music: David Usher 'St. Lawrence River'. Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Overwork and Its Context. (03:02) - The Impact of the Pandemic on Work Culture. (05:52) - The Reality of Low-Wage Work. (08:53) - The Illusion of Job Abundance. (12:00) - The Disconnect Between Work and Wages. (15:10) - The Role of Technology in Future Work. (17:53) - Rethinking Work and Value. (23:51) - The Future of Work: Possibilities and Challenges. (27:13) - The Importance of Meaningful Work. (29:56) - Cultural Perceptions of Work. (36:06) - The Role of Leadership in Work Culture. (41:58) - The Question of Economic Growth. (48:09) - Grassroots Movements for Change. (50:51) - The Power of Stories in Work Culture. (56:56) - Conclusion and Reflections on Change.

    1h 1m
  2. SPOS #956 – Ravin Jesuthasan On The Future Of Work

    NOV 3

    SPOS #956 – Ravin Jesuthasan On The Future Of Work

    Welcome to episode #956 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. Ravin Jesuthasan is a global thought leader, futurist, and bestselling author who has dedicated his career to exploring the future of work, AI, and workforce transformation. As the Senior Partner and Global Leader for Transformation Services at Mercer, he has collaborated with some of the world's most influential organizations to help them navigate the rapidly changing landscape of work. Ravin has led significant research projects for the World Economic Forum, focusing on topics like digital media's impact on society, talent strategies in the fourth industrial revolution, and redefining the value of human capital in the new world of work. In this conversation, Ravin delves into his latest book, The Skills-Powered Organization - The Journey To The Next Generation Enterprise that he co-authord with Tanuj Kapilashrami (check out his other five books). He emphasizes that as AI, climate change, and geopolitical conflicts reshape our world, there's an urgent need for organizations to transition from traditional job-based structures to skills-based models. This shift isn't just a minor adjustment - it requires rethinking how work is organized and how talent connects to it. By focusing on skills as the new currency of work, organizations can become more agile, resilient, and adaptable. Ravin shares compelling examples of how AI is already transforming industries like healthcare and financial services. As AI takes over more technical tasks, transferable skills - like empathy, creativity, and critical thinking become increasingly important. The Skills-Powered Organization serves as a practical guide for leaders looking to navigate this transition. Ravin provides a step-by-step roadmap, discussing critical organizational capabilities, the transformative changes required, and the role of AI in accelerating this journey. He also examines how this shift enables a more seamless talent ecosystem, blending various types of employee and non-employee labor. Whether you're a leader seeking to future-proof your organization or an individual aiming to stay relevant in a rapidly changing job market, Ravin's insights offer valuable guidance on embracing the next generation of work. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 51:59. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Subscribe over at Apple Podcasts. Please visit and leave comments on the blog - Six Pixels of Separation. Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: Mitch Joel on Facebook. Check out ThinkersOne. or you can connect on LinkedIn. ...or on Twitter. Here is my conversation with Ravin Jesuthasan. The Skills-Powered Organization - The Journey To The Next Generation Enterprise. Ravin’s other books. Follow Ravin on LinkedIn. Follow Ravin on X. This week's music: David Usher 'St. Lawrence River'. Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction and Background. (02:53) - AI's Impact on Work Processes in Healthcare. (06:11) - AI's Impact on Work Processes in Financial Services. (10:08) - The Challenges of Rapid Change and Upskilling. (15:09) - The Potential Distribution of Value in the Age of AI. (18:55) - Identifying and Developing Transferable Skills. (27:58) - The Impact of AI and Automation on Work. (30:10) - The Importance of Continuous Learning. (33:04) - Challenges of Reskilling. (39:21) - Creating a Skills-Powered Organization.

    52 min
  3. SPOS #955 – Michael Morris On Tribes And Togetherness

    OCT 27

    SPOS #955 – Michael Morris On Tribes And Togetherness

    Welcome to episode #955 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. Michael Morris is a renowned cultural psychologist at Columbia University, where he teaches in both the Graduate School of Business and the Psychology Department. With previous teaching stints at Stanford University and a rich educational background from the University of Michigan and Brown University, Michael has dedicated his career to exploring how culture shapes the way we think, communicate, and collaborate. His research delves into the idea that while our genetic programming primes us to learn from our communities, the actual content of what we learn is deeply influenced by the cultural environments we're immersed in. In our conversation, Michael discusses his book, Tribal - How The Cultural Instincts That Divide Us Can Bring Us Together. He challenges the often negative connotations associated with tribalism, aiming to reclaim the term by highlighting its positive aspects. Michael explains that tribal psychology is an inherent part of human nature, encompassing instincts for solidarity, imitation, and the perpetuation of traditions. While tribalism can lead to division and conflict, he argues that these same instincts can also foster unity and collective action when harnessed constructively. We delve into real-world examples, including recent tribal conflicts and protests at institutions like Columbia Business School. Michael sheds light on why individuals engage passionately in such issues and how tradition and nostalgia play significant roles in tribal dynamics. He emphasizes that technology and social media aren't solely to blame for societal divisions - rather, these platforms amplify existing human tendencies rooted in our psychology. If you're curious about how our cultural instincts shape our interactions and how we can leverage them to bring people together, Michael's perspective provides a thoughtful and hopeful outlook. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 1:01:13. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Subscribe over at Apple Podcasts. Please visit and leave comments on the blog - Six Pixels of Separation. Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: Mitch Joel on Facebook. Check out ThinkersOne. or you can connect on LinkedIn. ...or on Twitter. Here is my conversation with Michael Morris. Tribal - How The Cultural Instincts That Divide Us Can Bring Us Together. Columbia University. Follow Michael on X. Follow Michael on LinkedIn. This week's music: David Usher 'St. Lawrence River'. Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction and Background. (03:38) - Understanding Tribal Psychology. (06:01) - The Constructive and Destructive Aspects of Tribalism. (08:59) - Reclaiming the Word ‘Tribal'. (21:05) - The Role of Technology in Tribalism. (27:28) - The Potential for Collective Action and Solutions. (30:30) - Tribal Conflicts at Columbia Business School. (36:18) - The Role of Tradition and Nostalgia in Tribalism. (41:45) - Distinguishing Cults from Religions. (52:34) - The Power of Nostalgia and Conformity. (58:54) - Harnessing Tribal Psychology for Positive Outcomes.

    1h 1m
  4. SPOS #954 – Dax Dasilva On Business, Balance And The Big Picture

    OCT 20

    SPOS #954 – Dax Dasilva On Business, Balance And The Big Picture

    Welcome to episode #954 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. I’ve know Dax Dasilva for close to twenty years. Dax is the creative force behind Lightspeed Commerce, a company he founded in 2005 that has grown into a leading unified POS and payments platform for ambitious entrepreneurs worldwide. Lightspeed powers some of the world's best businesses across over 100 countries, helping them accelerate growth, enhance customer experiences, and become go-to destinations in their markets. With a team of over 3,000 employees, Lightspeed has made significant strides under Dax's leadership, including going public on both the Toronto Stock Exchange and the New York Stock Exchange. After serving as Executive Chair of Lightspeed's board for two years, Dax returned as CEO in February 2024, bringing with him a renewed vision for the company's future. During our conversation, Dax delves into the evolving landscape of retail and hospitality, emphasizing how these industries are increasingly focusing on providing experiential elements that cater to people's desire for unique experiences and social interaction. He believes that while technology plays a crucial role in modern commerce, the human touch remains indispensable. Beyond his entrepreneurial pursuits, Dax is deeply passionate about environmental conservation. He founded the Age of Union project, an initiative aimed at reconnecting people with nature and spirituality. Through this project, Dax has traveled to various parts of the world, immersing himself in different cultures and gaining a deeper understanding of social and environmental issues. He reflects on the challenges of balancing technological advancement and consumerism with sustainability and emphasizes the importance of supporting local, community-driven businesses. Our conversation also explores the current polarization in society and the impact of social media on politics. Dax expresses concern over the divisive nature of online platforms and the need for more balanced, nuanced conversations. Dax highlights the often-overlooked value of the "middle journey" in business - the day-to-day efforts and experiences that constitute the core of what companies do. He believes that true fulfillment comes from engaging in this journey rather than just focusing on the end goals. Throughout our conversation, Dax emerges as a leader who is not only focused on driving business success but also deeply committed to environmental stewardship, social responsibility, and fostering meaningful human connections. His insights offer a thoughtful perspective on how businesses can navigate the complexities of today's world while remaining grounded in values that promote sustainability and community. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 54:38. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Subscribe over at Apple Podcasts. Please visit and leave comments on the blog - Six Pixels of Separation. Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: Mitch Joel on Facebook. Check out ThinkersOne. or you can connect on LinkedIn. ...or on Twitter. Here is my conversation with Dax Dasilva. Lightspeed Commerce. Age of Union. Follow Dax on Instagram. Follow Dax on LinkedIn. This week's music: David Usher 'St. Lawrence River'. Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction and Background. (03:45) - The Future of Retail and Hospitality. (05:40) - The Importance of In-Person Interactions in the Workplace. (11:12) - Reconnecting with Nature and Spirituality. (16:31) - Balancing Technology and Consumerism with Sustainability. (26:40) - The Challenges of Polarization in Society. (30:32) - The Impact of Social Media on Politics. (37:31) - The Role of AI in Business. (43:36) - The Potential Societal Impact of AI. (51:07) - The Value of the Middle Journey in Business. (54:53) - Traveling and Immersion in Local Context.

    55 min
  5. SPOS #953 – Erin Clark On Activating The Soul, Heart, And Mind Of Leadership

    OCT 13

    SPOS #953 – Erin Clark On Activating The Soul, Heart, And Mind Of Leadership

    Welcome to episode #953 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. Erin Clark is a managing director with Deloitte Consulting's Human Capital practice, where she specializes in helping clients improve performance, drive change, and create sustainable advantages through people. With a deep commitment to unlocking human potential within organizations, Erin has dedicated her career to transforming workplaces into environments where individuals and teams can thrive. In her new book, Leading Through - Activating The Soul, Heart, And Mind Of Leadership (co-authored with her father, former Harvard Business School dean Kim Clark, and her brother Jonathan Clark), Erin explores the dynamic shift needed in leadership for today's rapidly changing world. The book delves into the struggle between traditional leadership paradigms - rooted in control, hierarchy, and bureaucracy - and a new model that emphasizes empowerment, trust, and collaboration. During our conversation, Erin discusses how the pandemic and technological advancements like generative AI have accelerated the need for this leadership transformation. She emphasizes that while we're living in a digital, transparent, and complex era, many organizations are still clinging to outdated methods that stifle innovation and suppress human potential. Erin introduces the concept of "leading through," which focuses on activating the soul, heart, and mind of leadership to create a culture where people are motivated to solve tough problems and make meaningful contributions. We explore the importance of leaders embracing a more human-centric approach, one that not only cares for people but also consciously seeks to do good and make things better. Erin highlights that leadership is both deeply personal and systemic - it requires individual growth as well as organizational support to foster an environment where employees can excel. She also touches on the challenges of short-termism and the pressure to meet market expectations, which often hinder long-term development and human sustainability. Erin's insights shed light on the necessity of preserving humanity in the face of rapid technological change. She advocates for leveraging technology as a tool for value creation while ensuring that it doesn't overshadow the human element that is crucial for innovation and organizational success. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 57:08. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Subscribe over at Apple Podcasts. Please visit and leave comments on the blog - Six Pixels of Separation. Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: Mitch Joel on Facebook. Check out ThinkersOne. or you can connect on LinkedIn. ...or on Twitter. Here is my conversation with Erin Clark. Leading Through - Activating The Soul, Heart, And Mind Of Leadership. The Leading Through Institute. Deloitte Consulting's Human Capital practice. Follow Erin on LinkedIn. This week's music: David Usher 'St. Lawrence River'. Chapters: (00:00) - Collaborating with Family: Writing a Book on Leadership. (03:06) - Challenges and Potential in Leadership. (12:03) - The Impact of the Pandemic on Work. (18:26) - The Role of Leadership in Supporting Human Potential. (22:05) - Systemic Factors that Hinder or Enable Human Potential. (26:11) - Work as a Means vs Work as Community and Fulfillment. (29:42) - The Mass Revolt Against Traditional Management Approaches. (33:09) - Shifting from Coercive Control to Leading Through. (36:36) - Balancing Freedom of Action and Agency. (39:06) - The Challenges of Personalized Management. (47:36) - Creating Value through Leading Through. (53:47) - Preserving Humanity in the Face of Technological Advancements.

    57 min
  6. SPOS #952 – Karthik Ramanna On Outrage And Our Polarized World

    OCT 6

    SPOS #952 – Karthik Ramanna On Outrage And Our Polarized World

    Welcome to episode #952 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. We are beyond polarized. Karthik Ramanna has spent his career helping leaders make sense of a world that’s constantly changing. As a Professor of Business & Public Policy at Oxford’s Blavatnik School of Government, Karthik's work explores the difficult intersections of business, politics, and society. With a keen eye on trust-building, corporate responsibility, and the complex dynamics between organizations and their stakeholders, Ramanna has earned a reputation as one of today’s foremost thinkers on leadership in challenging times. In his latest book, The Age Of Outrage - How To Lead In A Polarized World, Karthik delves into a growing issue that leaders everywhere are facing: navigating outrage. And it’s not just the occasional outburst we’re talking about. As companies like Disney, United, and Meta have learned, outrage has become an ever-present force — fueled by societal anxieties and a growing expectation for companies to act as agents of social change. Karthik’s take is that outrage - whether justified or not - has shifted from being an occasional PR crisis to a core leadership challenge. Leaders are now expected to handle these emotional, high-stakes situations with the same rigor as strategic planning or financial management. And if you’re a leader in today’s world, you’ve likely felt the pressure. Drawing on years of experience and case studies ranging from the Vatican to Nestlé, Ramanna doesn’t offer quick fixes or hollow calls for “staying neutral.” Instead, The Age of Outrage offers a practical, mission-driven framework for leaders to cool tensions, engage meaningfully with stakeholders, and make decisions that are both effective and consistent with their organization’s core values. If you’re wondering how to navigate an increasingly polarized landscape, Karthik’s book offers more than just insight — it’s a guide for how to emerge stronger from the very challenges that threaten to tear organizations apart. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 58:12. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Subscribe over at Apple Podcasts. Please visit and leave comments on the blog - Six Pixels of Separation. Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: Mitch Joel on Facebook. Check out ThinkersOne. or you can connect on LinkedIn. ...or on Twitter. Here is my conversation with Karthik Ramanna. The Age Of Outrage - How To Lead In A Polarized World. Blavatnik School of Government. Follow Karthik on LinkedIn. Follow Karthik on Instagram. Follow Karthik on YouTube. This week's music: David Usher 'St. Lawrence River'. Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction and Background. (04:11) - Challenges for Corporations. (14:08) - The Importance of Humility and Perspective. (27:30) - Navigating the Changing Dynamics of Work and Business. (29:52) - The Diversification of Society and the Binary View of Oppressor and Oppressed. (34:39) - Getting the Rules of the Game Right for Capitalism. (36:46) - The Role of Culture in Managing Outrage. (53:02) - The Challenges and Opportunities of AI.

    58 min
  7. SPOS #951 – Nick Bostrom On Life And Meaning In An AI World

    SEP 29

    SPOS #951 – Nick Bostrom On Life And Meaning In An AI World

    Welcome to episode #951 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. Here it is: Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast - Episode #951. When it comes to thinking big about artificial intelligence, I think about what Nick Bostrom is thinking. A philosopher widely known for his thought leadership in AI and existential risk, Nick has spent much of his career asking the kinds of questions most of us avoid. As the founding Director of Oxford’s Future of Humanity Institute and a researcher who has dabbled in everything from computational neuroscience to philosophy, Nick’s intellectual curiosity knows no bounds. His 2014 book, Superintelligence (a must-read), became a New York Times bestseller, framing global discussions about the potential dangers of artificial intelligence. But now, with his latest book, Deep Utopia - Life and Meaning in a Solved World, Nick shifts the conversation to a more optimistic angle - what happens if everything goes right? Deep Utopia tackles a question that feels almost paradoxical: If we solve all of our technological problems, what’s left for humanity to do? Nick presents a future where superintelligence has safely arrived, governing a world where human labor is no longer required, and technological advancements have freed us from life’s practical necessities. This isn’t just a hypothetical playground for futurists... it’s a challenge to our understanding of meaning and purpose in a post-work, post-instrumental society. In this conversation, Nick explores the philosophical implications of a world where human nature becomes fully malleable. With AI handling all instrumental tasks, and near-magical technologies at our disposal, the question shifts from "How do we survive?" to "How do we live well?" It’s no longer about the technology itself but about our values, our purpose, and how we define meaning when there are no more problems left to solve. Nick’s book is not just a call to prepare for the future; it’s an invitation to rethink what life could look like when all of humanity’s traditional struggles are behind us. As he dives into themes of happiness, pleasure, and the complexities of human nature, Nick encourages us to reimagine the future - not as a dystopia to fear, but as a deep utopia, where we must rediscover what it means to be truly human in a solved world. This stuff bakes my noodle. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 49:48. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Subscribe over at Apple Podcasts. Please visit and leave comments on the blog - Six Pixels of Separation. Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: Mitch Joel on Facebook. Check out ThinkersOne. or you can connect on LinkedIn. ...or on Twitter. Here is my conversation with Nick Bostrom. Deep Utopia - Life and Meaning in a Solved World. Superintelligence. Future of Humanity Institute. This week's music: David Usher 'St. Lawrence River'. Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction and Background. (01:17) - The Debate: Accelerating AI Development vs. Delaying It. (06:08) - Exploring the Big Picture Questions for Humanity. (08:44) - The Redefinition of Human Intelligence. (13:12) - The Role of Creativity in AI. (19:41) - Towards a Post-Work Society. (23:53) - Philosophical Questions and the Value of Humanity. (27:36) - The Complex Relationship Between Pleasure and Pain. (30:03) - The Impact of Large Language Models and the Transformer Architecture. (33:03) - Challenges in Developing Artificial General Intelligence. (35:49) - The Risks and Importance of Values in AGI Development. (45:19) - Exploring the Concept of Deep Utopia.

    50 min
  8. SPOS #950 – Stephen Shapiro On How To Pivot In An Uncertain World

    SEP 22

    SPOS #950 – Stephen Shapiro On How To Pivot In An Uncertain World

    Welcome to episode #950 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. Here it is: Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast - Episode #950. My good friend, Stephen Shapiro, is not one to take the standard approach to anything. As the former leader of Accenture’s business process reengineering practice, he realized that optimizing business efficiency was leading to layoffs - a direction he didn't want to pursue. So, instead of continuing on that path, Stephen pivoted. He built Accenture’s 20,000-person innovation practice and refocused his efforts on growth and job creation. From there, Stephen became a full-time speaker and author, helping organizations from 3M to Nike rethink how they tackle innovation. In our latest conversation (he has been on the show multiple times), Stephen shares insights from his new book, Pivotal - Creating Stability In An Uncertain World. It’s all about anchoring yourself in what shouldn’t change, even as everything else spins around. He likens it to a basketball pivot - one foot stays planted while the other moves, creating both stability and flexibility. Stephen argues that, too often, businesses are caught chasing the next shiny thing, while what truly matters gets neglected. Instead of scattering resources, Stephen suggests that organizations focus on deepening their core strengths and identifying their differentiators. It’s the planted foot - the foundation - that holds the key to long-term success. We also discuss the importance of creating a culture that supports slow, thoughtful innovation, rather than the kind of chaotic sprinting that leaves teams burned out. Companies like Apple are great examples, doubling down on services and ecosystems that reinforce their unique strengths. Stephen emphasized that the best innovation isn’t always fast - it’s about having the patience to focus on the right direction. He is also the author of many other books (here are two other that I love: Invisible Solutions, Best Practices Are Stupid) and his game, Personality Poker. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 1:01:44. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Subscribe over at Apple Podcasts. Please visit and leave comments on the blog - Six Pixels of Separation. Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: Mitch Joel on Facebook. Check out ThinkersOne. or you can connect on LinkedIn. ...or on Twitter. Here is my conversation with Stephen Shapiro. Pivotal - Creating Stability In An Uncertain World. Invisible Solutions. Best Practices Are Stupid. Personality Poker. Follow Stephen on LinkedIn. Follow Stephen on YouTube. This week's music: David Usher 'St. Lawrence River'. Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction. (02:44) - Innovate Where You Differentiate. (05:29) - The Four Ds of Innovation. (10:37) - Navigating Trends and Placing Bets. (36:36) - The Role of Culture in Driving Innovation. (38:52) - The Importance of Slow Innovation. (49:49) - Embracing Distinctive, Desirable, and Durable Qualities.(52:29) - Creating Value and Delivering Memorable Experiences.

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