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  1. 1d ago

    AI Won't Kill Jobs — It Will Transform Them

    AI, Jobs, and the Future of Hong Kong's Workforce Not surprisingly, 70% of Hong Kong's white-collar workers already use AI daily, yet only 3% of companies have fully integrated it. That gap tells us everything about where we are in this transformation. Employment law expert Kathryn Weaver joins host Ajay Shamdasani to unpack what AI actually means for Hong Kong's workforce, and the picture is far more nuanced than the usual doomsday headlines suggest. What does it really mean when graduate placements have dropped 60% since 2022, while the northern metropolis could simultaneously create 500,000 to 650,000 new roles? Kathryn argues that AI reshapes work rather than simply erasing it, reshaping how professionals operate rather than making them obsolete. Human judgment, creativity, and relationship-building remain irreplaceable, even as routine tasks get automated. Because Hong Kong faces unique pressures including an aging population and a predicted 130,000 job shortage by 2028, understanding AI's real role matters more than ever. The government's AI Plus strategy and a new 30,000 youth employment internship scheme signal serious institutional engagement with these challenges. Tune in to hear how organizations are navigating this transition with transparency, reskilling, and genuine optimism about AI as a capacity dividend. Our Guest Kathryn Weaver Kathryn Weaver heads up the Asia Pacific employment practice at Seyfarth Shaw, an AmLaw 100 labour and employment-focused international law firm. She is dual-qualified (Hong Kong and England & Wales) and has extensive experience of advising multi-national employers in the Asia Pacific region on international employment law matters. Her work spans both contentious and non-contentious matters, such as implementing partnership programme and equity schemes, coordinating litigation, carrying out contract, policy and compliance reviews, advising on restructuring and terminations, and negotiating settlements.  She is regularly called on to speak at legal and HR conferences and events in the region on topical employment law matters. She has spoken on panels addressing AI in the workplace at the In-House Community Congress, the IEL Asia-Pacific Employment Summit, the IBA Conference, and KPMG Hong Kong’s Employment Outlook 2026. Kathryn is highly regarded in the legal directories and has been recognised as a Leading Partner, Labour and Employment (Hong Kong) in the Legal 500 (Legalese Ltd.) (2020-2025); recognised as a ranked practitioner, Employment: Hong Kong-based (International Firms) in Chambers Greater China (2020-2025); recommended by Doyle’s Guide as a Preeminent Hong Kong employment lawyer (2024-2025); recognised by Lexology Index (previously Who’s Who Legal) for Mainland China, Hong Kong SAR and Macao SAR - Labour Employment & Benefits (Law Business Research Ltd.) (2020-2025); and recognised by the International Employment Lawyer as a Global Elite (2024-2025). In her spare time, Kathryn sits on the Boards of the British Chamber of Commerce, Help for Domestic Workers and Hong Kong Legal Walk Limited. Our Host Ajay Shamdasani Ajay Shamdasani is a veteran writer, editor and researcher based in Hong Kong. He holds an AB in history and government from Ripon College, JD and MIPCT degrees from the University of New Hampshire Franklin Pierce Law School, and an LLM in financial regulation from the Illinois Institute of Technology’s Chicago-Kent College of Law. His 15-year long career as a financial and legal journalist began as deputy editor of A Plus magazine – the journal of the Hong Kong Institute of Certified Public Accountants. From there, he assumed the helm of Macau Business magazine as its editor-in-chief, and later, joined Asialaw magazine as its deputy editor. More recently, he spent close to seven years as a senior correspondent with Thomson Reuters’ subscription-based trade-wire service Regulatory Intelligence/Compliance Complete (previously called Complinet) in Hong Kong. While there, he covered regulatory developments in that city, as well as Singapore, India and South Korea.

    AI Won't Kill Jobs — It Will Transform Them

  2. Sep 25

    India's Venture Capital Landscape Is No Longer What It Used To Be

    Fundamentally, the rules of the game have changed for startup investors in India. Archana Balasubramanian, founding partner at Agama Law Associates, breaks down exactly how and why, drawing from data across 1,115 private transactions in the first half of 2026. Rarely has a market pivoted this sharply. Institutional investors are now pouring capital into late-stage, highly compliant software enterprises in Mumbai and Bangalore, steering clear of the early-stage speculative bets that once defined the ecosystem. High-profile failures like Go Mechanic and Byju's left investors nursing serious losses, and SEBI has responded by becoming aggressively proactive about enforcement, stress-testing valuations and scrutinizing IPO filings through technology. What does this mean for the next generation of Indian founders? The honest answer is complicated. Compliance is no longer optional, it is the price of admission. Yet the opportunity here is real: professionals who can guide companies through India's demanding multi-regulator environment are more valuable than ever. Cautionary tales like Paytm and Coffee Day remind us that even strong products cannot survive poor governance. (The council's role, Balasparanian notes, has expanded significantly in this environment.) Clearly, this shift is both a warning and an invitation. Our Guest Archana Balasubramanian Archana Balasubramanian is a Partner at Agama Law Associates with over 17 years of experience in corporate, commercial and transactions law, advising clients across sectors including manufacturing, logistics, media, pharmaceuticals, financial services, real estate and technology. She is known for a result-oriented, commercially-minded approach, and her practice spans corporate advisory, M&A, dispute strategy, data protection, and private client work — including succession planning and advisory for HNIs, entrepreneurs and family offices. Her M&A practice, built over nearly two decades, covers investments, mergers, acquisitions, joint ventures and structural collaborations, and she has been recognised as one of India's top lawyers by Forbes Legal Powerlist, India Business Law Journal and Legal Era. She is also a frequent commentator in outlets such as the Economic Times, Mint and Business Standard on topics ranging from IPOs and venture capital to regulatory and dealmaking trends. Our Host Ajay Shamdasani Ajay Shamdasani is a veteran writer, editor and researcher based in Hong Kong. He holds an AB in history and government from Ripon College, JD and MIPCT degrees from the University of New Hampshire Franklin Pierce Law School, and an LLM in financial regulation from the Illinois Institute of Technology’s Chicago-Kent College of Law. His 15-year long career as a financial and legal journalist began as deputy editor of A Plus magazine – the journal of the Hong Kong Institute of Certified Public Accountants. From there, he assumed the helm of Macau Business magazine as its editor-in-chief, and later, joined Asialaw magazine as its deputy editor. More recently, he spent close to seven years as a senior correspondent with Thomson Reuters’ subscription-based trade-wire service Regulatory Intelligence/Compliance Complete (previously called Complinet) in Hong Kong. While there, he covered regulatory developments in that city, as well as Singapore, India and South Korea.

    India's Venture Capital Landscape Is No Longer What It Used To Be

  3. Aug 12

    Why Western Corporate Governance Models Fail in Asia

    Twenty years after challenging a Western speaker's paternalistic lecture on governance, Chandran Nair hasn't softened his position one bit. If anything, his conviction has only grown stronger. Nair, founder and CEO of the Global Institute for Tomorrow, sits down with Ajay Shamdasani to dismantle the assumption that Anglo-American corporate governance models are the global standard worth emulating. Repeatedly, the evidence points elsewhere. The 2008 financial crisis originated in the United States despite rigorous regulations already in place, and scandals keep emerging from systems supposedly built on sound governance principles. Could the real problem be that Western institutions like the Big Four auditors and rating agencies serve their own interests rather than the public good? (Nair's point about European family offices being just as opaque as any Asian business is particularly sharp.) Critically, he argues that effective governance depends on genuine state capacity to enforce accountability. Malaysia shows what happens when institutions are too weak to constrain powerful actors, while China demonstrates that real consequences, not routine fines, create meaningful accountability. Nair also calls out lawyers and compliance officers who stay silent to protect their paychecks, choosing financial security over ethical responsibility. Tune in for a conversation that genuinely challenges assumptions about governance, power, and who gets to write the rules. Our Guest Chandran Nair Chandran Nair is the Founder and CEO of the Global Institute For Tomorrow (GIFT), an independent pan-Asian think tank based in Hong Kong and Kuala Lumpur focused on advancing a deeper understanding of global issues including the shift of economic and political influence from the West to Asia, the dynamic relationship between business and society, and the reshaping of the rules of global capitalism.  He is the author of Understanding China: Governance, Socio-Economics, Global Influence, Dismantling Global White Privilege: Equity for a Post-Western World, The Sustainable State: The Future of Government, Economy, and Society and Consumptionomics: Asia's Role in Reshaping Capitalism and Saving the Planet and the creator of The Other Hundred, a non-profit global photo journalism initiative to present a counterpoint to media consensus on some of today's most important issues.  Chandran was chairman of Environmental Resources Management (ERM) in Asia Pacific until 2004, establishing the company as Asia’s leading environmental consultancy.Chandran is a member of WEF’s Global Agenda Council on Governance for Sustainability and Experts Forum, he sits on the Global Steering Committee of CISL’s Business for Sustainability Programme, is a member of the Club of Rome, is a Senior Fellow of CIMB ASEAN Research Institute (CARI), as well as a Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts. Chandran has served as Adjunct Professor at the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology and the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy in Singapore and is a former Advisor to ORIX Corporation and a former member of the Stakeholder Advisory Council for BASF, the world’s largest chemical company as well as the Executive Committee of the Club of Rome, the world's premier scientific think tank. Our Host Ajay Shamdasani Ajay Shamdasani is a veteran writer, editor and researcher based in Hong Kong. He holds an AB in history and government from Ripon College, JD and MIPCT degrees from the University of New Hampshire Franklin Pierce Law School, and an LLM in financial regulation from the Illinois Institute of Technology’s Chicago-Kent College of Law. His 15-year long career as a financial and legal journalist began as deputy editor of A Plus magazine – the journal of the Hong Kong Institute of Certified Public Accountants. From there, he assumed the helm of Macau Business magazine as its editor-in-chief, and later, joined Asialaw magazine as its deputy editor. More recently, he spent close to seven years as a senior correspondent with Thomson Reuters’ subscription-based trade-wire service Regulatory Intelligence/Compliance Complete (previously called Complinet) in Hong Kong. While there, he covered regulatory developments in that city, as well as Singapore, India and South Korea.

    Why Western Corporate Governance Models Fail in Asia

  4. Aug 6

    When Your Personal Phone Becomes a Legal Liability

    A 2025 UK ruling changed everything for legal professionals. Messages sent from a solicitor's private device are now considered disclosable client file material, and suddenly that WhatsApp message you fired off after hours is no longer just a casual note. Ajay Shamdasani sits down with Martin Nygate, founder of Velox Networks, to unpack what this means for law firms navigating a world where personal and professional communication constantly blur together. The stakes are real and genuinely alarming. Off-channel communication breaches are at record levels, and ransomware attacks are costing law firms an average of $5 million per incident.Interestingly, the conversation goes beyond the obvious risks. How can firms actually fulfill their duty of care when employees are using their own devices anyway? The answer, according to Nygate, lies in cloud-based telephony platforms that keep business communications behind corporate firewalls while still letting staff use personal phones. (WhatsApp for Business gets a surprisingly thorough treatment here too.) Because when an employee leaves, you do not want to lose the data along with them. That is both a security concern and a regulatory one. If your firm is still running on outdated PABX systems and hoping nobody notices, this conversation is worth your time. Our Guest Martin Nygate Martin is the Co-Founder & CEO, Velox Networks. A seasoned entrepreneur with a penchant for start-up success, Martin has made a career out of delivering profitable high-tech sales and communications solutions to the maritime and software industries, spanning Asia and Europe. Product expertise includes CRM, ERP, CCTV, SIM card, banking and voice over internet protocol (VoIP) software. Martin was the driving force behind the highly popular nanu app that achieved dramatic growth with Daily Active Usage Rates of 18% and Monthly Active Usage Rates of 44%. In 2017, Martin co-founded Velox Networks Pte Ltd, a licensed telecommunications service provider in Singapore that is extending the VoIP revolution to SME’s by offering a fully featured cloud based PBX with zero capital investment. With a rapidly growing customer base, the company was profitable within 8 months of launch. Recently, he also co-founded and launched Call2 Global Ltd. Call2 is a revolutionary web-calling platform that lets businesses receive free, unlimited inbound calls directly through a browser widget—eliminating costly toll-free numbers and complex phone systems. With built-in analytics, call management,  global accessibility, and AI integration capabilities,  Call2 simplifies and scales business communications worldwide. Our Host Ajay Shamdasani Ajay Shamdasani is a veteran writer, editor and researcher based in Hong Kong. He holds an AB in history and government from Ripon College, JD and MIPCT degrees from the University of New Hampshire Franklin Pierce Law School, and an LLM in financial regulation from the Illinois Institute of Technology’s Chicago-Kent College of Law. His 15-year long career as a financial and legal journalist began as deputy editor of A Plus magazine – the journal of the Hong Kong Institute of Certified Public Accountants. From there, he assumed the helm of Macau Business magazine as its editor-in-chief, and later, joined Asialaw magazine as its deputy editor. More recently, he spent close to seven years as a senior correspondent with Thomson Reuters’ subscription-based trade-wire service Regulatory Intelligence/Compliance Complete (previously called Complinet) in Hong Kong. While there, he covered regulatory developments in that city, as well as Singapore, India and South Korea.

    When Your Personal Phone Becomes a Legal Liability

  5. Jul 5

    Digital Assets and Cryptocurrency Disputes: Hong Kong's Legal Framework

    John Lee, lawyer with Hong Kong law firm Angela Wang & Co, breaks down what happens when cryptocurrency, NFTs, and tokenized assets collide with the law. Carefully unpacking five categories of digital assets, John explains why Bitcoin and Ethereum operate so differently from stablecoins pegged to reserve assets. He walks through Hong Kong's evolving regulatory stance, including the SFC's 2023 licensing system and the HKMA's 2025 stablecoin regime. The landmark Re Bitcoin case from 2023 is particularly illuminating (it established digital assets as a valid third category of property under common law). Because digital assets don't fit neatly into traditional property classifications, disputes around ownership, insolvency, and cross-border jurisdiction are growing more complex. John makes a compelling case for arbitration as the smarter resolution path, offering confidentiality, flexibility, and access to specialized arbitrators who actually understand blockchain technology. Our Guest John Y.C. Lee John is a solicitor admitted in Hong Kong and England & Wales, independent arbitrator and accredited mediator. He is a graduate of London University and has about 25 years of legal practice experience including as past partner and head of dispute resolution group of a major law firm.  His main areas of practice are commercial arbitration, litigation, risk management, advisory and related areas. He has handled commercial and civil cases including investment claims, company / shareholder disputes, construction claims, insolvency cases, competition law matters, intellectual property claims, land related disputes etc.   He is also a fellow of the Chartered Institute of Arbitrators and the Hong Kong Institute of Arbitrators.  He serves as a risk management education tutor (part-time appointment of the Law Society of Hong Kong), Editorial Board member of the Solicitors’ Guide to Professional Conduct, a member of the Law Society Arbitration Committee and the Arbitration Panel, and a member of the Law Society Risk Management Education Accreditation Sub-Committee.  He was appointed on the DOJ Working Group on ORFSA Checklists. Our Host Ajay Shamdasani Ajay Shamdasani is a veteran writer, editor and researcher based in Hong Kong. He holds an AB in history and government from Ripon College, JD and MIPCT degrees from the University of New Hampshire Franklin Pierce Law School, and an LLM in financial regulation from the Illinois Institute of Technology’s Chicago-Kent College of Law. His 15-year long career as a financial and legal journalist began as deputy editor of A Plus magazine – the journal of the Hong Kong Institute of Certified Public Accountants. From there, he assumed the helm of Macau Business magazine as its editor-in-chief, and later, joined Asialaw magazine as its deputy editor. More recently, he spent close to seven years as a senior correspondent with Thomson Reuters’ subscription-based trade-wire service Regulatory Intelligence/Compliance Complete (previously called Complinet) in Hong Kong. While there, he covered regulatory developments in that city, as well as Singapore, India and South Korea.

    Digital Assets and Cryptocurrency Disputes: Hong Kong's Legal Framework

  6. May 21

    Hong Kong's Rise as a Global Fund Hub: The LPF Revolution

    Remarkably, a single piece of legislation has upended decades of Caribbean offshore dominance in Asian private equity. Since Hong Kong's Limited Partnership Fund Ordinance launched in August 2020, the city has attracted 1,488 active funds by March 2026, a number that signals real and genuine momentum in the region's financial landscape. David Cameron, managing partner of DCLO, joins Ajay Shamdasani to break down why the LPF structure is winning over institutional investors, family offices, and alternative managers alike. The conversation covers the favorable tax treatment across four categories, where three carry zero tax liability, including investment profits, carry distributions, and stamp duty on interest transfers. What does it mean for fund managers when Hong Kong now offers a redomiciliation regime, effective May 2025, allowing full transitions from Cayman or Bermuda without losing legal identity? Since the LPF framework now extends to digital assets, precious metals, and private credit under 2026 guidelines, the appeal has only widened. Cameron also outlines the Capital Investment Entrance Scheme, a $30 million pathway to permanent residency that ties directly into the LPF opportunity. Listen to the full episode to understand why Hong Kong's fund landscape is accelerating fast. Our Guest David Cameron David is a dual-qualified Hong Kong solicitor and New York attorney who has been advising on corporate matters and financial transactions across Asia, based out of Hong Kong, for over 16 years. David has worked for Linklaters and Allen & Overy in addition to, most recently, being a Partner at Dorsey & Whitney. ​ ​​David has a proven track-record of helping clients with enthusiasm and an entrepreneurial approach. This has resulted in multiple first-ever transactions and initiatives that have led to first-ever national rankings and various international awards. David is consistently ranked globally by institutions such as IFLR1000 and also ranked regionally by institutions such as IBLJ's Top 100 International A-List. ​David holds three graduate degrees, a JD, an MBA and an MA, from the University of Pennsylvania and a BA from Georgetown University.​ Our Host Ajay Shamdasani Ajay Shamdasani is a veteran writer, editor and researcher based in Hong Kong. He holds an AB in history and government from Ripon College, JD and MIPCT degrees from the University of New Hampshire Franklin Pierce Law School, and an LLM in financial regulation from the Illinois Institute of Technology’s Chicago-Kent College of Law. His 15-year long career as a financial and legal journalist began as deputy editor of A Plus magazine – the journal of the Hong Kong Institute of Certified Public Accountants. From there, he assumed the helm of Macau Business magazine as its editor-in-chief, and later, joined Asialaw magazine as its deputy editor. More recently, he spent close to seven years as a senior correspondent with Thomson Reuters’ subscription-based trade-wire service Regulatory Intelligence/Compliance Complete (previously called Complinet) in Hong Kong. While there, he covered regulatory developments in that city, as well as Singapore, India and South Korea.

    Hong Kong's Rise as a Global Fund Hub: The LPF Revolution

  7. Apr 9

    AI Governance in Trading: FIX's Regulatory Recommendations for Singapore

    Rarely does a single consultation reveal just how unprepared an industry is for a technology, and that is exactly what happened when FIX engaged Singapore's Monetary Authority on AI regulation in trading. Jim Kay, FIX's executive director, joins host Ajay Shamdasani to break down ten key recommendations submitted to Singapore's Monetary Authority. The conversation covers everything from defining AI specifically within trading contexts to managing large language models inside algorithms. What makes this discussion particularly striking is how Kay frames generative AI as fundamentally different from traditional trading controls, not just in complexity but in kind. The core tension throughout the episode is this: financial firms have long-standing governance frameworks for algorithmic trading, yet public LLMs introduce third-party technology companies that operate entirely outside the traditional financial ecosystem. Can compliance professionals really govern systems they do not fully understand technically? Kay argues yes, drawing a direct parallel to algorithmic trading oversight where knowing what questions to ask matters more than reading code. Interestingly, the episode also tackles the serious talent shortage in this space, noting that professionals combining AI expertise with financial risk management are exceptionally rare. (Bloomberg's cross-domain training model gets a mention as a potential blueprint.) If you want to understand where AI governance in financial services is actually heading, this conversation is essential listening. Our Guest Jim Kay Jim has worked in the financial industry for 25 years, mostly in equities electronic trading, market structure and regulatory implementation. He has been involved in FIX in various capacities over most of this period, having served as GSC co-chair for eight years, a director for five and as co-chair of various working groups. Our Host Ajay Shamdasani Ajay Shamdasani is a veteran writer, editor and researcher based in Hong Kong. He holds an AB in history and government from Ripon College, JD and MIPCT degrees from the University of New Hampshire Franklin Pierce Law School, and an LLM in financial regulation from the Illinois Institute of Technology’s Chicago-Kent College of Law. His 15-year long career as a financial and legal journalist began as deputy editor of A Plus magazine – the journal of the Hong Kong Institute of Certified Public Accountants. From there, he assumed the helm of Macau Business magazine as its editor-in-chief, and later, joined Asialaw magazine as its deputy editor. More recently, he spent close to seven years as a senior correspondent with Thomson Reuters’ subscription-based trade-wire service Regulatory Intelligence/Compliance Complete (previously called Complinet) in Hong Kong. While there, he covered regulatory developments in that city, as well as Singapore, India and South Korea.

    AI Governance in Trading: FIX's Regulatory Recommendations for Singapore

  8. Mar 11

    Bridging the Compliance Gap: How Mid-Market Firms Access Enterprise Legal Expertise on a Lean Budget.

    In this episode, Ajay Shamdasani sits down with Kris Daswani, partner at Hong Kong law firm DCLO, to discuss how Mid-Market financial firms can navigate heavy regulatory burdens without a "big bank" budget. Drawing on her senior experience at institutions like Citi and J.P. Morgan, Kris explains that while Mid-Market firms face the same compliance obligations as global giants, they often lack the infrastructure to manage them. She advocates for a fractional legal model that integrates legal, compliance, and risk functions under one senior expert, providing institutional grade expertise that is both agile and cost effective.The conversation highlights why the traditional law firm hierarchy where clients often pay to train junior associates is being replaced by more efficient, partner-led services. Kris emphasises that while large firms remain essential for high-stakes transactions where brand reputation is paramount, fractional models offer the necessary elasticity for routine operational compliance. The key takeaway is that firms no longer have to choose between high-level expertise and practical guidance; by matching proportional expertise to actual needs, Mid-Market firms can ensure quick turnarounds and regulatory safety without financial strain. Our Guest Kris Daswani Kris is a seasoned legal and regulatory advisor with over 25 years of experience in financial markets, specializing in banking and finance. She has deep expertise in cross-border transactions, including cash management, digital payments, commodity and trade finance, as well as funds and securities services, such as custody and prime finance transactions.As a dual-qualified lawyer, she provides legal counsel under both English and Hong Kong law, offering a comprehensive perspective on complex financial and regulatory matters. Throughout her career, Kris has advised major banks and financial institutions on intricate global financing transactions spanning multiple jurisdictions, including China, India, the Philippines, Vietnam, Bangladesh, Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia, Australia, and the Middle East.She has been instrumental in structuring and negotiating large-scale, cross-border deals, ensuring regulatory compliance while optimizing commercial outcomes for her clients. Beyond her transactional practice, Kris has extensive experience in financial regulation and corporate governance. She has provided strategic regulatory advice in key financial hubs such as London, Hong Kong, and New York, helping institutions navigate evolving legal frameworks and compliance requirements.Her in-house leadership roles at Citi, JPMorgan, and Standard Chartered have given her a unique insider perspective on global financial markets, regulatory developments, and risk management. With her deep understanding of the legal, regulatory, and commercial landscape, Kris is a trusted advisor to banks, financial institutions, and multinational corporations seeking to operate across jurisdictions with confidence and compliance. Our Host Ajay Shamdasani Ajay Shamdasani is a veteran writer, editor and researcher based in Hong Kong. He holds an AB in history and government from Ripon College, JD and MIPCT degrees from the University of New Hampshire Franklin Pierce Law School, and an LLM in financial regulation from the Illinois Institute of Technology’s Chicago-Kent College of Law. His 15-year long career as a financial and legal journalist began as deputy editor of A Plus magazine – the journal of the Hong Kong Institute of Certified Public Accountants. From there, he assumed the helm of Macau Business magazine as its editor-in-chief, and later, joined Asialaw magazine as its deputy editor. More recently, he spent close to seven years as a senior correspondent with Thomson Reuters’ subscription-based trade-wire service Regulatory Intelligence/Compliance Complete (previously called Complinet) in Hong Kong. While there, he covered regulatory developments in that city, as well as Singapore, India and South Korea.

    Bridging the Compliance Gap: How Mid-Market Firms Access Enterprise Legal Expertise on a Lean Budget.
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