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Hearing from people who are obeying Jesus’ great commission to Go

  1. MAR 27

    194. Roy Moran – Intro to Leaders Weekend

    Roy Moran kicks off a leaders weekend in City (last year in October 2025) with a powerful recap and vision for disciple-making movements. He shares key insights from global movements, including: What defines a movement (100+ churches across 4 generations) The scale of impact through New Generations (3M+ people, 177,000 groups) Why the gospel must not just grow—but scale Key Themes The Father’s Heart: God is building a family—He is a lovesick Father pursuing His children Generators > Generations: Focus on forming people who multiply Movement Dynamics: The gospel spreads virally through relationships, not programs Western Challenge: Many need to rediscover God’s heart—not just forgiveness, but family and mission Simple Obedience: Real multiplication happens when people engage Scripture and obey. Key Insight Roy shares real stories of multiplication—from college campuses to families—showing that what’s happening globally is beginning to take root in the West. “God has chosen to need you… to pour His truth through your life.” Also Covered Diffusion of innovation (20/80 principle) Communicating without “church language” Practical tools (including an AI DMM coach: Put this WhatsApp Number to the test: +1 816 284 8470) Prayer Roy closes with a prayer, calling us back to the joy of the Father’s family—and the invitation to join the family business of finding those not yet home. Final Reflection: If the gospel is meant to multiply, what would it look like in your life to see it move virally through your relationships, networks, and culture?

    25 min

  2. MAR 19

    193. Roy Moran – Having the Right Attitude When Helping Others with DMM

    Introduction In this final episode with Roy Moran from his time with us in the Dandenong Ranges (Melbourne, 2025), we explore how to help local churches embrace Disciple Making Movements (DMM). Roy challenges our posture—calling us to humility, service, and a true Kingdom heart as we seek to empower others rather than bring ready-made solutions. Managing the Tension Between Traditional Church and DMM Come with humility, not superiority Don’t approach as someone who has “figured it out.” Come with questions, not answers (e.g. “What do you dream for in this community?”) Discover what drives people before offering anything. Discern shared vision If there’s no shared goal, it’s okay to move on. Most church leaders are not ill-intentioned—they genuinely want God’s Kingdom to come but often feel constrained by existing systems. Asking them to change everything can feel like asking them to “commit suicide” within their context—so empathy is essential. Start Personally, Not Institutionally Infusion of innovation diagram Don’t wait for permission or structures—begin disciple-making in your own life. Reach out to the lost, experiment, and live it out before trying to implement it in a church system. Focus on function over form. Understanding the Innovation Gap Early adopters respond to vision; the majority responds to story and social proof. Don’t try to replace a church’s “complete system” with your “pieces and parts.” Instead, humbly offer what you have and let it grow. A Posture That Opens Doors Ask: “How can I help?” Avoid pushing solutions until invited. When asked, respond gently as one without all the answers. Plant a garden, don’t force growth Share stories. Offer small, relevant resources. Look for hunger and respond to it. Don’t overwhelm—don’t feed a baby with a firehose! Honour always Affirm the work already done. Never tear down—build up. Creating Space: “Building a Wall” Help churches create separation between traditional structures and DMM efforts. Encourage them to release people to make disciples. Keep things informal and low-key—avoid over-structuring. Start small with a committed group focused on reaching the lost. Strategy: Quiet, Humble, Relational Go under the radar—don’t self-promote. Stay low, honour others, and avoid drawing attention. Under-promise and over-deliver. If people start promoting you—step back. Key Quote “The gap between vision and multiplying reality is closed by one simple thing – people and connection.” Real movement leadership is relational, messy, and slow. It requires vulnerability, patience, and deep investment in people—not just strategies or systems. Final Prayer (Summary) Roy closes by praying for: God’s power beyond our human understanding Fruitfulness and Kingdom multiplication Divine appointments with people ready for transformation Courage to pursue “impossible” Kingdom dreams Humility—even through refining and difficulty A deep awareness of our identity as children of God Final Encouragement As we conclude this series with Roy: Reflect on what you’ve heard across these episodes Ask: How is God speaking to me? What is my response? Take the next step—simply, humbly, and with others.

    21 min

  3. MAR 13

    192. Roy Moran – Form and Function and Importantly – Money

    What role should organisation play in disciple-making movements? In this episode, Roy Moran explores how structure, function, and money can either fuel or hinder movements. “The question is not the presence of structure, the question is whether the structure is being served or serving.” — Roy Moran Form and Function in Movements Movements are often described as organic, but every living organism has structure. Because we are created in the image of a triune God who exists in community, forming tribes, teams, and simple structures is part of our nature. The issue is not whether movements have structure, but what the structure serves. Healthy movements keep structures lightweight and low-maintenance, designed to support disciple-making rather than replace it. Roy highlights a key principle: Form always follows function. Movements begin with making disciples. As disciples multiply, forms of church and leadership naturally emerge. But when people try to create the form first and then add disciple-making later, the result often struggles. Video (played in the podcast – audio only): Roy references Buurtzorg, a healthcare organisation in the Netherlands that shows how a large organisation can operate with lightweight structures, strong values, and decentralised decision-making that empowers local teams — watch here. The Role of Money Money can also derail movements if it creates dependency. “If money causes dependency, then money kills movement.” Healthy movements emphasise local generosity and stewardship, where resources serve real needs—caring for community, enabling mission, and supporting training—without creating unhealthy dependence. Questions to Reflect On Are the structures around us allowing form to follow function, or are we trying to force the function to fit the form? When it comes to money, are we strengthening mission—or unintentionally creating dependency that could stall the movement?

    36 min

  4. MAR 6

    191. Roy Moran: Helpful Hints, DBS and Not Being a Bottleneck

    In this short episode, Roy Moran shares practical insights on facilitating Discovery Bible Studies (DBS) without becoming a bottleneck. He encourages leaders to be ruthless about empowering others to facilitate, allowing people to “fail forward” as they learn. Roy explains that the simple DBS process is built around three core values: helping people hear from God, respond in obedience, and share with others. The seven DBS questions function like a simple liturgy—repeatable, memorable, and designed to keep the focus on Scripture rather than the facilitator’s teaching. He also challenges listeners to develop deep self-awareness. Our habits from traditional church can unintentionally get in the way, so ongoing reflection and “ruthless inventory” are needed to keep giving the process away. Reflect: How can I step back and avoid becoming a bottleneck when new Discovery Groups begin?

    10 min

  5. MAR 5

    Episode 190. Roy Moran – Explaining Movements for Everyone

    In this short episode, we continue our series with Roy Moran as he explains disciple-making movements in simple, everyday language. Starting with the question, “What does God want?” Roy describes how he would explain movements on the back of a napkin—beginning with who God is and His relational heart for people. Rather than starting with jargon like “DMM,” Roy shows how movements are simply the natural outcome of God at work as disciples multiply and a culture of replication takes shape. Reflect: How would you explain disciple-making movements in everyday language?

    17 min

  6. FEB 27

    189. Roy Moran – Developing a Healthy Lifestyle for Disciple-Makers

    In this episode, we continue our series with Roy Moran, focusing on how to develop a healthy, sustainable lifestyle as a disciple-maker. Jesus said, “I have come that you might have life and have it to the full” (John 10:10). Abundant life is meant to be the fruit of following and being transformed by Him — yet many of us feel tired, overextended, and constantly busy. Indian movement leaders often say, “Busyness is the enemy of movements.” They say that being BUSY can stand for Being Under Satan’s Yoke. When we are always busy, we lose space for the most important people and the most fruitful work. Prioritising our time is not optional — it is essential. Rethinking Productivity: The 80/20 Principle Roy explores the Pareto Principle — the idea that roughly 80% of our results come from 20% of our activity. The challenge is not simply to do more, but to identify what is truly fruitful. Roy invites us to “objectify” our time — to get it out of our heads and onto paper. When we list everything we are doing and evaluate where the real fruit lies, we often discover that some activities carry disproportionate impact. The goal is not to run faster, but to remove what is ineffective and intentionally focus on what produces lasting fruit. This is about life management that fits the spirit of movement — doing things intentionally, not accidentally. What we require is intentional systems — because systems sustain what goals alone cannot. Whole-Life Health The conversation extends beyond ministry strategy into holistic living: marriage, singleness, emotional health, finances, and long-term sustainability. Roy asks, “What is the irreducible minimum in your world to be healthy and whole — so that what you are replicating is worthy of being replicated?”. Finances: Financial health, especially for supported workers, is part of running the race well. At the same time, we will not see the Great Commission fulfilled without disciple-making in the marketplace.  Marriage, Singleness & Support: Roy and others in the room share candid reflections on navigating calling as couples and singles. Whether married or single, sustainable disciple-making requires relationships that keep us grounded and honest. Reflection questions from this episode:  What would it look like to create a life plan that prioritises what truly matters? What needs to shift so you can run this race with endurance for decades to come? How can you build regular, intentional systems of reflection and assessment to maintain your long-term health, focus, and effectiveness? Resource In this episode, Roy references Designing Your Life by Bill Burnett and Dave Evans — a playbook for applying design thinking to your own life.

    43 min

  7. FEB 20

    188. Roy Moran: Measuring Momentum Before Movement

    In this episode, we continue listening to Roy Moran’s 2025 training with us as Praxeis leaders, exploring a critical idea: momentum comes before movement. Roy grounds the conversation in Proverbs 27:23: “Be sure you know the condition of your flocks, give careful attention to your herds.” Movements can easily be treated like machines — measured by outputs, numbers, and generations. But disciple-making movements are not factories. They are about inner transformation. Jesus changes people first; multiplication follows. Momentum Before Movement One of Roy’s key insights: “There is a period of momentum before there is a period of movement… We are immature in measuring momentum.” We often try to measure movement — new groups, multiplication, generations. But in the early stages, there’s very little visible fruit. Instead of measuring outcomes, we need to measure health and obedience. What does momentum look like? People living with an “I will…” posture toward Jesus Regular listening and responding to God Obedience becoming a lifestyle Spiritual conversations flowing naturally Slowing down enough to hear God clearly Before someone becomes a multiplying disciple-maker, they must first learn to simply be a disciple. Managing the Tension There’s an ongoing tension between: Systematic measurement (growth, numbers), and Organic care (knowing the condition of people’s hearts). Roy reminds us this tension isn’t a problem to solve but a tension to manage. Healthy leadership means accepting we’ll never have everything covered. It requires walking in the Spirit, not striving for perfect balance. People Are Not Objects When we overemphasize metrics, people can subtly become numbers. Roy urges us to remember: people are subjects, not objects. The goal is not activity but transformation. Especially in church contexts, building momentum can take time. Tradition can slow things down. That’s why we must prioritise depth before speed. As David Watson said: “Go slow to go fast.” Build quality in disciples — and the generations will come. Key Takeaway Push movement metrics to the side in the early phase. Learn to recognise and celebrate momentum in the internal life — Word, Spirit, obedience, passion. Movement flows from transformation. ‘What signs of spiritual transformation might indicate that real momentum is already forming in me and in those I’m walking with — even if visible movement hasn’t appeared yet?’

    48 min

  8. FEB 12

    187. Starting Apostolic Teams and Collaborating Across Our City, Nation, and Nations

    In this episode, Roy continues sharing from our time together about starting apostolic teams and navigating the real challenges of collaboration. Starting Apostolic Teams This builds on Roy’s previous insights about forming teams made up of different roles — including movement catalysers, DMM strategists, prayer mobilisers, learning designers, coaching cultivators, apostolic pioneers, and disciple-makers. He describes these as different “swim lanes” — distinct expressions of gifting that allow people to run in their grace and calling while contributing to a shared mission. Roy observes that many people from Christian backgrounds tend to be permission-seeking, whereas harvest-field people often are not. As leaders, we need to intentionally give churched believers permission — again and again — to step into and express the gifting they carry in our contexts. Multiplying prayer  Roy then shares from his Kansas City context about cultivating replicating prayer: “It’s not about the volume but the distinctiveness of prayer [that’s focused on lostness].” – Roy Rather than simply increasing activity, the focus is on prayer that is harvest-focused and easily reproducible. Collaboration Roy also explores how to build teams through meaningful collaboration. He references five conditions for collective impact drawn from research out of Stanford University: Common Agenda – A shared understanding of the problem and a shared vision for change. Shared Measurement for Success – One of the biggest challenges in Christianity, especially when we assume we are doing the same thing but measure differently. Mutually Reinforcing Activities – Training and mobilisation are difficult if they are not aligned with a common agenda and shared measures. Continuous Communication – Learning to communicate consistently, not just when we are face-to-face. Creating a “campfire” platform (online) where stories and resources can be shared. A Backbone Structure – A brand-light (or brand-bashful) organisation that exists to support and strengthen leaders rather than promote itself. Roy concludes: “We need to define who we are so we can defend who we are. But this allows us to collaborate more, not less… We can create tables for anybody to come. We can create tools that anybody can use. But when we create tracks for people to run on, they are very distinct.” – Roy Be Encouraged Be provoked and encouraged as you listen to this episode — and consider what it might look like to start apostolic teams and cultivate collaboration across your city, your nation, and even the nations.

    31 min
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Hearing from people who are obeying Jesus’ great commission to Go

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  • Creator
    Dave Lawton
  • Years Active
    2021 - 2026
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