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C.O.B. Tuesday is a weekly one-hour talk show that serves as a knowledge pipeline for the energy industry and the energy curious. We host honest, timely, conversations with people we believe can improve the discussion, can provide new perspectives, can share unique insights into key energy issues, and can discuss inventive, pragmatic solutions for a stronger energy future. Produced by Veriten. 

  1. 2d ago

    “It Was Absolutely Unexpected By All Of Us” – Clarissa Lins, Catavento

    We are thrilled to share this Special Edition focused on Brazil with Clarissa Lins, Founding Partner of Catavento. Clarissa founded Catavento, a strategy and sustainability consultancy, in 2013 and has over 20 years of experience in strategy, sustainability, and corporate governance. She was part of Brazil's Ministry of Finance team that developed the Real Plan, the country's landmark economic stabilization program introduced in 1994, and previously served as an Advisor to the President of Brazil's BNDES Development Bank. From 1999 to 2002, Clarissa served as Head of Corporate Strategy at Petrobras, helping guide the company's strategic transformation during its listing on the New York Stock Exchange. We were delighted to host Clarissa for a timely discussion on Brazil's recent presidential election, the implications for Petrobras and the country's energy policies, and Brazil's broader energy outlook.   In our conversation, Clarissa shares her perspective on Brazil's surprising presidential election results and the implications of President Lula's reelection. We explore the factors behind the unexpected outcome, including shifts in voter turnout, the strength of right-wing parties in Congress, and the market's reaction. Clarissa discusses the differences between Lula's policies and Flávio Bolsonaro's proposed agenda, noting that a Bolsonaro administration may not necessarily have been as pro-market as investors anticipated. We also examine the political uncertainty following the election, Brazil's fiscal challenges, and the potential emergence of new center-right leadership.   Drawing on her experience as Petrobras' former Head of Strategy and board member, Clarissa discusses the company's evolution, its relationship with the Brazilian government, and how Lula's reelection could influence its strategy and the balance between state involvement and private-sector competition. Clarissa describes Brazil as a "hybrid superpower," highlighting its competitive advantages across oil, natural gas, hydropower, solar, wind, and biofuels. We explore Brazil's oil production outlook, opportunities in new exploration frontiers such as the Equatorial Margin, and the challenge of balancing production growth with environmental commitments.   We examine Brazil's broader energy and power landscape, including its significant (including hydro) renewable electricity mix and approach to balancing energy development with climate goals. Clarissa explains that deforestation, rather than energy production, is Brazil's largest source of emissions, allowing the country to support additional oil and gas development while pursuing its climate commitments. We discuss the rapid growth of solar and wind, increasing curtailment, and the need for additional transmission, battery storage, and hydropower modernization. Clarissa also shares her perspective on Brazil's ethanol industry, opportunities in sustainable aviation fuel, and the growing presence of Chinese electric vehicles.   We touch on Brazil's potential to attract AI and data center investment, the advantages of its abundant renewable power resources, and the challenges of ensuring reliable electricity without increasing costs for existing consumers. We also explore opportunities for greater energy integration across Latin America and the potential to strengthen regional energy security. We conclude with a discussion of hydropower investment and opportunities to direct future oil revenues toward regional development, low-carbon initiatives, and long-term infrastructure investment. We greatly appreciate Clarissa's thoughtful insights and perspectives.   To start the show, Mike Bradley highlighted developments in fixed income markets, noting that the Federal Reserve left interest rates unchanged at its FOMC meeting. Chairman Warsh maintained a relatively neutral tone, emphasizing the need for additional economic data, while consensus expectations continue to point toward a December rate increase.   Turning to energy markets, Mike noted that WTI crude oil was trading near $102/bbl., up roughly $3/bbl. on the day, as investors focused on upcoming elections in Israel and the U.S. and potential implications for Iran policy. European natural gas prices reached approximately $33/MMBtu, up 35% MTD and 265% YTD, widening the European-U.S. gas price spread to roughly 12x, its widest since the onset of the Russia-Ukraine war.   In equities, the Nasdaq and S&P 500 posted modest gains ahead of a busy week of Big Tech earnings, including Alphabet, Microsoft, and Amazon. Energy earnings season is also accelerating, with most major European and U.S. integrated oil companies reporting this week. In power, AEP, GE Vernova, and Generac exceeded earnings expectations, while GE Vernova's approximately $9 billion acquisition of Trench Group drew particular attention. Caterpillar and Quanta Services are scheduled to report tomorrow.   Mike concluded with the market reaction to Brazil's surprise election results, noting that the Ibovespa was down roughly 17% on the week, Petrobras had declined approximately 15%, and the Brazilian real had weakened about 8%. He also highlighted British Columbia's election of its first Conservative majority government in nearly a century.

    “It Was Absolutely Unexpected By All Of Us” – Clarissa Lins, Catavento
  2. 3d ago

    "This Time, Hopefully, Is Different" – Dr. Francisco Monaldi, Rice University’s Baker Institute

    Today we had the pleasure of hosting Dr. Francisco Monaldi, Wallace S. Wilson Fellow in Latin American Energy Policy and Director of the Latin America Energy Program at Rice University’s Baker Institute for Public Policy. Francisco is a leading expert on Latin American energy markets and policy, with expertise in Venezuela's oil industry and political economy. With significant developments unfolding across the region, we were delighted to welcome Francisco for a timely discussion on Latin America's energy outlook, the evolving political landscape, and the opportunities and challenges surrounding Venezuela's potential recovery.   In our conversation, we explore what Francisco describes as an energy renaissance underway across Latin America, particularly in oil. Francisco highlights the region's enormous resource potential and estimates that Latin America could add approximately 5 million barrels per day of oil production over the next decade, depending on how investment and political conditions evolve. We discuss the outlook for Brazil, Guyana, Argentina, Venezuela, Mexico, and Colombia, including the opportunities for production growth and the political and institutional challenges that have historically constrained investment. In one interesting anecdote, Francisco shares a conversation with a Colombian energy executive who noted that the reserves in his company's new Venezuelan block exceeded all of Colombia's oil reserves.   We touch on Brazil's presidential election and the implications of President Lula's victory for the country's economic and energy outlook. Francisco shares his perspective on the market reaction, Lula's support for expanding oil production, and the importance of regulatory stability for offshore investment. We explore the broader political realignment across Latin America, growing U.S. influence in the region, and efforts to reduce Chinese and Russian involvement in energy and critical minerals.   Francisco shares his observations on Venezuela following Maduro's removal and the enthusiasm surrounding the reopening of the country's oil sector. We discuss recent reforms to Venezuela's hydrocarbon laws, new agreements with international operators, and Chevron's expansion plans. Francisco estimates that approximately $15 billion of investment could increase Venezuelan production to 1.7–1.8 million barrels per day over the next three to four years. We also explore lingering political and regulatory risks, improving oil revenues, and the electricity, infrastructure, and workforce challenges that could constrain future growth.   We conclude with a discussion of Venezuela's political future, including María Corina Machado's return, the role of Delcy Rodríguez, and the prospects for a democratic transition. Francisco shares his perspective on Secretary of State Marco Rubio's influence in the region, the importance of political stability for attracting long-term investment, and the potential implications for Cuba and Nicaragua. It was a wide-ranging discussion on the changing political and energy landscape across Latin America, and we greatly appreciated Francisco sharing his insights and perspectives.   Mike Bradley opened the discussion with a review of fixed income markets, noting that the 10-year Treasury yield was little changed on the week at ~5.0%. Looking ahead, investors are focused on Wednesday’s FOMC meeting, with a rate hike widely expected and particular attention on Fed Chairman Warsh’s comments regarding the future path of monetary policy.   Turning to energy markets, WTI crude oil was trading at ~$100/bbl, down ~$3/bbl on the week. Oil prices have largely moved sideways amid limited new developments, with investors awaiting greater geopolitical clarity. Markets are particularly focused on Tuesday’s Israeli presidential election and next week’s U.S. midterm elections, both of which could influence policy decisions surrounding the ongoing Iran conflict. In broader equity markets, the Nasdaq and S&P 500 posted modest weekly gains, while notable technology developments included Anthropic’s IPO filing and Meta’s plans to raise ~$100 billion to support its AI investment strategy. Mike also highlighted General Motors’ announcement that it will move its stock listing from the NYSE to the Nasdaq, ending a 115-year tenure.   Turning to energy equities, Mike characterized the week as “Merger Monday,” highlighting EQT’s all-stock merger with Range Resources, creating a natural gas producer with a pro forma enterprise value exceeding $50 billion, and Ovintiv’s $890 million acquisition of Logan Energy. He also noted that next week will be particularly busy for third-quarter earnings, with several U.S. refiners and most major integrated oil companies reporting. Mike concluded with Brazil’s presidential election, where President Lula’s victory over Flávio Bolsonaro surprised investors and triggered a sharp market selloff. After rallying to record highs ahead of the election, Brazil’s IBOV Index declined more than 15% as investors reassessed the country’s economic outlook.

    "This Time, Hopefully, Is Different" – Dr. Francisco Monaldi, Rice University’s Baker Institute
  3. Oct 21

    "The National Debt Doesn't Care If You Vote Republican or Democrat" – Tyler Hassen, Author of "Inside DOGE"

    Today we had the pleasure of hosting Tyler Hassen, CEO of Zone Frontier and author of the recently published book, Inside DOGE. Tyler spent 16 years in the oilfield services industry, serving in both CFO and CEO roles, before joining the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) and serving as Assistant Secretary for Policy, Management and Budget at the U.S. Department of the Interior. His book offers a firsthand look at the inner workings of DOGE, the challenges of reducing government spending, and the opportunities to improve efficiency and accountability across federal agencies. We were delighted to host Tyler for a fascinating discussion about his experience inside government, lessons learned, and what meaningful government reform could look like going forward.   In our conversation, Tyler shares his background in the oilfield services industry, his motivation for joining the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), and his concerns about the growing U.S. national debt. He discusses his experience transitioning from the private sector into government, working alongside Elon Musk and Secretary Doug Burgum, and bringing a business-oriented approach to federal spending. We explore the history of government efficiency initiatives, the importance of bipartisan cooperation, and the challenges of reducing spending while preserving essential government services. Tyler explains that while the Department of the Interior received approximately $18 billion in annual congressional appropriations, total spending was closer to $35 billion when accounting for additional funding programs. We discuss his efforts to review thousands of contracts and grants, identify unnecessary spending, and establish greater accountability across the department.   We turn to the organizational inefficiencies, outdated technology, and opportunities to modernize government operations Tyler encountered. He shares examples of duplicative administrative functions, fragmented procurement practices, and disconnected technology systems. One striking example involved 19 separate permitting systems at the Department of the Interior, which Tyler says contributed to a backlog of more than 160,000 permits and average processing times of approximately four years. Tyler describes how DOGE engineers connected the systems within weeks, highlighting the potential for technology improvements to accelerate energy and infrastructure development. We explore opportunities to consolidate government services, evaluate underutilized federal land and real estate, and introduce more disciplined spending practices, including Tyler’s implementation of a $50,000 approval threshold for new contracts and grants.   We discuss the public perception of DOGE, the challenges of communicating its objectives, and lessons learned from the initiative. Tyler reflects on the media scrutiny surrounding DOGE, Elon Musk’s leadership style and emphasis on urgency, and the importance of building public support for fiscal reform. We explore the potential for AI to identify waste and fraud, streamline government processes, and modernize outdated systems. Tyler shares his belief that government efficiency efforts should become a permanent, bipartisan initiative supported by talented individuals from the private sector. We conclude with his perspectives on what a future DOGE initiative could look like, the importance of attracting more talent into public service, and the need for greater awareness of the long-term implications of the national debt. We greatly appreciate Tyler joining us and sharing his insights.   Mike Bradley opened the discussion by highlighting mixed market performance, with U.S. Treasury yields modestly lower, broader equity markets slightly higher, and oil prices declining. The benchmark 10-year U.S. Treasury yield was trading at approximately 5.1%, down from 5.2% a week earlier, as investors focused on the upcoming October 28 Federal Open Market Committee meeting, where another rate hike is widely expected. Turning to energy commodity markets, WTI crude oil was trading at approximately $102 per barrel, down $2 on the day but up roughly $8 over the past week, supported by escalating geopolitical tensions in the Middle East and continued tightness in global refined product markets, particularly diesel.   In broader equity markets, the S&P 500 was modestly higher on the day but remained lower for the week, weighed down by Technology sector weakness. The Nasdaq Composite and Magnificent 7 stocks declined roughly 4% over the past five trading days, while the SOX Semiconductor Index fell approximately 7%–8%. Investors have increasingly rotated toward more defensive sectors. Turning to energy equities, third-quarter earnings season was underway, with Halliburton and other Oilfield Services companies providing updates on North American frac, International, and Offshore markets. Investors were also focused on Valero Energy's upcoming results for insights into refining fundamentals, margin sustainability, and shareholder returns.   In power markets, Utilities outperformed, while IPPs declined roughly 8% over the past week and many distributed generation and Small Modular Reactor companies fell by mid-teen percentages. Mike concluded by noting that Energy and Power earnings season will accelerate next week, with investor attention particularly focused on Integrated Oil Majors and U.S. Refiners. Veriten Senior Advisor Deborah Byers also joined and added her perspectives and questions throughout the conversation.

    "The National Debt Doesn't Care If You Vote Republican or Democrat" – Tyler Hassen, Author of "Inside DOGE"
  4. Oct 15

    "Big Tech Is Making The Mistakes That Big Oil Did 20 Years Ago" – Rob Connors, The Crude Chronicles

    We are excited to share this Special Edition featuring Rob Connors, Founder of The Crude Chronicles. Rob is a longtime sell-side research analyst who covered companies across oil and gas, industrials, transportation, and aerospace and defense before launching The Crude Chronicles. His Substack offers in-depth analysis of energy markets, industry investment cycles, capital allocation, and historical trends. We have gotten to know Rob over the past few years and are avid readers of his work. We were delighted to host Rob for a wide-ranging discussion on global refining markets, capital allocation and executive incentives, and the long-term outlook for oil and natural gas.   In our conversation, Rob shares his outlook for global refining markets, the potential for “peak refining,” and why he believes refining margins could remain structurally elevated for years to come. We discuss the impact of the Iran conflict and Strait of Hormuz disruptions on global refining capacity, the importance of secondary processing units in determining refinery profitability, and the supply-demand outlook for gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel. Rob walks us through historical refining cycles, comparisons to the 2021–2022 diesel price spike, and why limited new capacity and low refined product inventories could contribute to prolonged market tightness. We explore how a resolution to the conflict could impact crack spreads and the growing importance of refining capacity for energy security.   We then turn to capital allocation across the energy industry and Rob’s detailed work analyzing executive compensation structures to understand corporate behavior and investment cycles. Rob explains how refiners and oil-focused E&P companies have increasingly prioritized returns on capital and shareholder distributions over production growth, and how these incentives have shaped investment decisions. We discuss shifting priorities among European integrated oil companies, including BP, the potential influence of shareholder activism, and whether the industry has moved from overinvestment to underinvestment. We also explore parallels between historical Big Oil investment cycles and today’s technology sector, where growth-oriented executive incentives are helping drive significant AI-related capital spending.   We discuss the outlook for natural gas, including expectations for demand growth, continued supply expansion, and differences in capital allocation incentives between oil-focused and natural gas-focused E&P companies. Rob shares his perspectives on slowing oil well productivity growth, the relationship between geology and technology, rising development costs, and the implications for long-term oil prices, exploration, and oilfield services. We also touch on opportunities in Canadian oil and gas, rising U.S. LNG development costs, labor constraints, and the origins of The Crude Chronicles, including Rob’s approach to historical energy market analysis and independent research. It was a fascinating tour de force of Rob’s research and latest insights.   Mike Bradley kicked off the discussion by reiterating that markets remain heavily influenced by key economic reports. September CPI came in slightly hotter than expected at 3.7%, pushing the benchmark 10-year Treasury yield intraday to ~5.25%, up ~5 basis points on the day. September PPI is scheduled for release on Thursday, with consensus expectations of a 5.4% year-over-year increase. Both reports will play an important role in shaping expectations for the Federal Reserve's next interest rate decision at its October 28 FOMC meeting. Turning to oil markets, WTI crude was trading at ~$95/bbl, up ~$1/bbl on the day and ~$3–4/bbl over the previous five trading days. Oil prices remain volatile as markets react to missile strikes against Saudi Arabia and ongoing geopolitical tensions across the Gulf region.   In broader equity markets, the S&P 500 was down ~1% on the day, driven by weakness in Financials and Technology. Bank of America shares declined ~7–8%, weighing on the broader banking sector, while semiconductor stocks continued to face selling pressure, with the SOX Index down ~3–4% on the day and ~10% over the previous five trading days. Energy was among the S&P 500's best-performing sectors, gaining ~0.5–0.6% on stronger crude prices. Mike also highlighted National Fuel Gas Company's announcement of plans to separate its integrated Upstream and Gathering businesses into two publicly traded companies.   Thanks again to Rob for joining us. We hope you enjoy the conversation as much as we did!

    "Big Tech Is Making The Mistakes That Big Oil Did 20 Years Ago" – Rob Connors, The Crude Chronicles
  5. Oct 14

    "We Do Want To Beat China, But We Don’t Need To Be China" – David Hill and Xan Fishman, Bipartisan Policy Center

    Today we were delighted to host David Hill, Senior Advisor, and Xan Fishman, Executive Vice President of Energy, with the Bipartisan Policy Center (BPC). The BPC is a leading Washington-based nonprofit organization dedicated to bringing stakeholders together to address critical U.S. policy issues and identify areas of alignment for action. We were thrilled to visit with David and Xan for their latest insights on permitting reform, the policy environment in Washington, and the prospects for meaningful bipartisan legislation.   In our conversation, Xan and David highlight the issues with the current permitting system and the growing bipartisan recognition that permitting reform is essential to improving energy affordability, supporting economic growth, and strengthening U.S. competitiveness. We explore the role of competition with China, rising electricity demand from AI and data centers, and the uncertainty created by shifting policy priorities across administrations.   We discuss the Senate’s proposed permitting reform legislation, the Bipartisan American Affordability and Jobs Act, and its key provisions. Xan and David walk through proposed changes to transmission permitting, the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA), judicial review, the Clean Water Act, and project certainty, as well as provisions supporting geothermal development and behind-the-meter resources. We touch on the importance of reducing litigation risk, providing greater certainty for infrastructure developers and investors, and addressing the ability of individual states to block interstate transmission lines and natural gas pipelines. We highlight industry support for the legislation, potential implications for competition and capital allocation, and how the Supreme Court’s Chevron and Seven Counties decisions relate to the broader permitting debate.   We examine the prospects for passing the legislation following the midterm elections and the challenges of moving a comprehensive bipartisan agreement through Congress. Xan and David share their insights on the importance of preserving the negotiated compromise, the potential impact of changes in congressional leadership, and why the upcoming lame-duck session could present an important opportunity for action. We also discuss the implementation process if the bill becomes law, including agency rulemaking and potential litigation, as well as the BPC’s broader energy policy priorities around electricity load growth, natural gas, critical minerals, and carbon accounting. We end with a fascinating overview of how Congress evaluates complex legislation, the role of congressional staff and committees, and the importance of personal relationships in achieving bipartisan compromise.   As mentioned, the Bipartisan Policy Center (BPC) has published a summary of the Senate permitting bill, the Bipartisan American Affordability and Jobs Act, available here. We greatly enjoyed the discussion and appreciate David and Xan for sharing their time and perspectives.   Mike Bradley kicked off the discussion by noting that market performance this week could be heavily influenced by several key economic reports, including September CPI, PPI, and Retail Sales. Together, these reports will provide insights into inflation and consumer spending trends and could influence the Federal Reserve’s next interest rate decision at the upcoming FOMC meeting.   Turning to energy commodity markets, WTI crude oil was trading near $93/bbl, down ~$1/bbl on the day but up ~$2/bbl for the week, as markets continued to react to missile strikes against Saudi Arabia. European natural gas prices were trading near $29/MMBtu, their highest level of the current cycle, amid concerns over low storage inventories heading into winter. By contrast, U.S. Henry Hub natural gas prices have remained largely unchanged year-to-date. He highlighted that speculative positioning in U.S. natural gas remains heavily bearish, with NYMEX net non-commercial positions approaching Covid-era levels, potentially setting the stage for a sharp upward price move if winter weather associated with El Niño proves colder than expected.   Turning to broader equity markets, the DJIA and S&P 500 were relatively flat, with investor attention focused on third-quarter earnings from major U.S. banks. Semiconductor stocks have been a significant headwind, declining ~8–10% over the past five trading days amid growing concerns about the sustainability of AI-related spending. In energy equities, third-quarter earnings season begins in earnest next week, with reports from major oilfield service, offshore service, and distributed generation companies expected to provide insights into upstream, offshore, and power-related capital spending trends through 2027.

    "We Do Want To Beat China, But We Don’t Need To Be China" – David Hill and Xan Fishman, Bipartisan Policy Center
  6. Oct 7

    "I Call Myself A Drill Baby Drill Democrat" – Rep. Jon Rosenthal, Candidate for Texas Railroad Commissioner

    With the midterm elections approaching, one particularly important race for the energy industry is the election for Texas Railroad Commissioner. This week, we had the opportunity to host Representative Jon Rosenthal, one of three candidates running to succeed incumbent Commissioner Jim Wright. Jon is currently serving his fourth term in the Texas House and has 25 years of experience in the oil and gas industry as an engineer and project manager. We were excited to hear Jon’s perspective on the race, the role of the Railroad Commission, and the key energy issues facing Texas.   In our conversation, Jon shares the motivation behind his decision to run for the Railroad Commission and how his background in oil and gas shapes his perspective on the role. He discusses Winter Storm Uri, natural gas deliverability and grid reliability, and the importance of working collaboratively with industry to develop practical solutions. We discuss orphaned and zombie wells, the Commission’s resources and permitting processes, and opportunities to better support responsible operators while holding repeat violators accountable.   We examine produced water, including saltwater disposal constraints, seismicity, beneficial reuse, and opportunities to incentivize new treatment and reclamation technologies. Jon discusses Texas’s broader water challenges and the potential for reclaimed produced water to help meet growing demand from agriculture, power generation, industry, and data centers. We also explore the importance of coordination across the Railroad Commission, TCEQ, PUC, ERCOT, and other parts of Texas’s increasingly interconnected energy system.   Jon shares the different priorities he is hearing as he travels across the state, the importance of Texas energy leadership, and his vision for the Railroad Commission. He emphasizes his support for American energy independence as a “drill baby, drill Democrat” and an all-of-the-above approach to meeting growing energy demand. We also discuss his thoughts on strengthening the Commission through additional resources, improved employee retention, and greater collaboration with industry and other state agencies.    To start the show, Mike Bradley characterized markets this week, and since our last COBT episode, as “grinding higher with narrowing breadth.” Treasury yields were largely unchanged, with the 1-year near 5.25% and the 30-year around 5.65%, despite several economic data releases coming in cooler than expected. With yields still near 25-year highs, Mike noted that bond traders may be signaling that the Federal Reserve is behind the curve.   In oil markets, WTI was trading around $89–$90/bbl, down ~$10/bbl over the past two weeks as Middle East oil flows have rebounded. Mike highlighted plans by G7 nations to release ~100 million barrels of diesel from strategic stockpiles to ease tight fuel markets, while U.S. diesel prices have fallen from ~$6.50/gallon to ~$6.30/gallon. He also noted that the largely idled St. Croix refinery could begin a phased restart next year. Turning to equities, the S&P 500 and Nasdaq advanced ~2% and ~3%, respectively, over the last five trading days, although Mike cautioned that gains are increasingly concentrated among the Magnificent 7. Energy equities gained ~4%, led by refiners at ~9%, despite lower crude prices. He also highlighted Cenovus Energy’s $5.7 billion acquisition of Athabasca Oil.   In power, utilities gained ~3%, with distributed generation companies and IPPs among the strongest performers. Mike highlighted the announced combination of Emera and Canadian Utilities, with a combined enterprise value exceeding $70 billion, as well as several positive nuclear developments. These included Vistra’s conditional DOE loan commitment of up to $4.2 billion to support ~430 MW of nuclear uprates and long-term PPAs between Constellation and Amazon and Google supporting ~1,100 MW of nuclear uprates.

    "I Call Myself A Drill Baby Drill Democrat" – Rep. Jon Rosenthal, Candidate for Texas Railroad Commissioner
  7. Oct 2

    "We Are Here as an Enabler of the Private Sector" – Julie Kozeracki, U.S. DOE EDF

    We are excited to share this Special Edition featuring Julie Kozeracki, Acting Chief Investment Officer for the U.S. Department of Energy’s Office of Energy Dominance Financing (EDF), for a wide-ranging look at the effort to accelerate nuclear power deployment in the U.S. Julie previously served as a Senior Advisor to the office under the Biden Administration and as a Principal with Boston Consulting Group. EDF has over $250 billion in loan authority available to help deploy high-impact energy infrastructure projects. We were thrilled to hear Julie’s latest insights on EDF’s activities, recent announcements, and the opportunities and challenges ahead for nuclear development in the U.S.   In our conversation, we discuss the renewed push to accelerate nuclear power in the U.S. and the increasingly important role of EDF. Julie shares her perspective on nuclear’s bipartisan appeal and its ability to support affordability, reliability, energy security, and lower emissions. We explore how EDF’s approach has evolved, including its expanded financing authorities and increased focus on nuclear, as well as the Administration’s goals of having 10 large reactors with complete designs under construction by 2030 and adding 5 GW of uprates to the existing nuclear fleet.   We examine the economics and financing of new nuclear, including EDF’s $17.5 billion program to procure long-lead items for 10 AP1000 reactors and the benefits of standardization, supply-chain investment, and accelerating project timelines. Julie discusses growing interest from utilities and independent power producers, lessons learned from Vogtle Units 3 and 4, and why she believes the risk profile for future AP1000 projects is fundamentally different. We also explore how investors and equity analysts view new nuclear projects and how federal financing, investment tax credits, improved risk sharing, and hyperscaler power purchase agreements could help address concerns around cost and risk. Julie shares her perspective on the different approaches of regulated utilities and IPPs, the potential for build-own-transfer structures, and how growing power demand from AI and data centers could create new opportunities for nuclear development.   We discuss the significant near-term opportunity to increase generation from the existing nuclear fleet through power uprates and life extensions, including the potential to extend reactors from 60 to 80 years of operation and potentially longer. More broadly, Julie discusses the importance of baseload and dispatchable generation as electricity demand grows, changing attitudes toward nuclear at the federal, state, and local levels, and the role of existing nuclear sites in supporting future development. We close by discussing what will be required to execute at scale, including strengthening the domestic nuclear supply chain, investing in advanced manufacturing and technologies, and developing the skilled workforce of welders, pipefitters, electricians, and other trades needed to support a new generation of nuclear projects. It was a fascinating discussion and we look forward to staying in touch with Julie.   To start the show, Mike Bradley highlighted that markets remain focused on interest rates and inflation. Wednesday’s PCE inflation report came in below expectations, with headline PCE at ~3.4% and core PCE at ~3.0%, helping push interest rates modestly lower and equity markets higher. Mike noted that while another Fed rate hike this year may still be on the table, the softer reading could reduce expectations for further increases.   Turning to oil markets, Mike noted that oil prices have declined ~$8–$10/bbl over the past two weeks as crude flows through the Strait of Hormuz have increased and Saudi Arabia’s East-West Pipeline has resumed operations at ~3–4mmbpd. He also discussed the potential for a U.S. diesel export ban and highlighted lower diesel prices as an important factor in easing inflation concerns and improving broader economic sentiment. Veriten Managing Director Nick Morriss also joined the discussion and peppered in his nuclear and power questions and perspectives.

    "We Are Here as an Enabler of the Private Sector" – Julie Kozeracki, U.S. DOE EDF
  8. Sep 30

    "You Have to Be Willing to Change Strategy" – Scott Sheffield, Author of "From Tehran to the Permian"

    We were thrilled to host our good friend Scott Sheffield in advance of his new book, From Tehran to the Permian: Leading the Shale Revolution and My Fight for Energy Independence, publishing on October 6th. Scott’s career spans more than four decades, including serving as CEO of Parker & Parsley and later Pioneer Natural Resources, where he helped lead the company through multiple industry cycles and played an important role in the development of the Permian Basin and the U.S. shale revolution. Scott’s new book traces that journey from his formative years living in Tehran through his decades in the energy industry, sharing the leadership lessons, challenges, and experiences that shaped him along the way. We were honored to host Scott and hear his reflections on his career and his latest perspectives across the energy landscape.   In our conversation, we cover the many lessons and experiences captured in From Tehran to the Permian. Scott shares his perspective on culture and leadership, including his emphasis on mutual respect, accountability, efficiency, and maintaining a family feel as Pioneer grew. He reflects on navigating multiple industry downturns, the importance of maintaining low leverage and financial flexibility, building strong management teams and boards, and learning to listen and empower others. We discuss Pioneer’s evolution from its roots in the Spraberry to international exploration and ultimately back to the Permian, as well as Scott’s willingness to change strategy as markets and opportunities evolved.   We explore the evolution of the broader oil and gas industry, including the maturation of U.S. shale, the opportunities and challenges of international exploration, Scott’s long history with Australia and the Beetaloo Basin, and his perspectives on shareholder activism, capital discipline, industry consolidation, and the future of public versus private independents. Scott also reflects on his experiences in Iran and shares his perspectives on Iran and Venezuela, as well as his experience with the FTC following ExxonMobil’s acquisition of Pioneer.   We touch on today’s energy landscape, including Scott’s role in helping lift the U.S. crude oil export ban in 2015, his thoughts on the potential implications of restricting diesel exports, and the importance of natural gas infrastructure as power demand grows. Scott also shares observations from his time on the Williams board and the increasingly important intersection of natural gas, power generation, LNG, AI, and data centers. Throughout the conversation, we return to many of the themes that define Scott’s career and book: culture, adaptability, financial discipline, great people, and a willingness to listen and evolve.   To start the show, Mike Bradley highlighted Pioneer Natural Resources’ impressive long-term value creation, from its formation in 1997 through its acquisition by ExxonMobil in 2024. Turning to fixed income, he noted that Treasury yields moved higher this week, with the 10-year Treasury yield rising ~10 basis points to ~5.3%, near a 25-year high. Investors are now focused on Wednesday’s PCE Price Index report, with a stronger-than-expected reading potentially reinforcing expectations for additional rate hikes.   WTI is trading at ~$89/bbl, down ~$4/bbl this week and ~$11/bbl over the past two weeks, driven in part by continued oil flows through the Strait of Hormuz and the restart of Saudi Arabia’s East-West Pipeline, restoring ~3mmbpd of capacity. Mike noted that a key uncertainty for refined product markets remains whether the Trump Administration will move forward with a temporary diesel export ban.   In equities, the DJIA and S&P 500 are both down ~1% this week. With the third quarter drawing to a close, Mike highlighted a significant divergence in sector performance, with Energy up ~15% for the quarter while Utilities declined ~15%. Looking ahead, he noted that further moderation in crude oil and diesel prices could ease inflationary pressures, help stabilize interest rates, and provide a more constructive backdrop for equity markets. Arjun Murti also joined and reflected on knowing Scott from their first meeting during Arjun’s time at Goldman Sachs to their more recent work together at Columbia University’s Center on Global Energy Policy.

    "You Have to Be Willing to Change Strategy" – Scott Sheffield, Author of "From Tehran to the Permian"
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C.O.B. Tuesday is a weekly one-hour talk show that serves as a knowledge pipeline for the energy industry and the energy curious. We host honest, timely, conversations with people we believe can improve the discussion, can provide new perspectives, can share unique insights into key energy issues, and can discuss inventive, pragmatic solutions for a stronger energy future. Produced by Veriten. 

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