Audiation in the Wild

Beau Taillefer, Eric Rasmussen

In-depth, investigative conversations about how music is learned. Occasional guests from experts of music pedagogy.

  1. 12H AGO

    S05-E02-DrEricsHLScourses

    See Eric and Beau's contact information at the end of these Episode Notes. NOTE of CLARITY: When Dr. Eric said no one but his students gets it, he is referring to HLS class participants, not the children, although they "get it" too.  Dr. Eric's HLS courses are coming up. Worth repeating because some heavy hitters have said, "If you don't know Harmonic Learning Sequence, you don't know mlt!" Beau and Eric like to differentiated between standardized MLT with the ongoing development of mlt—the original preference Doc (Edwin E. Gordon) had for naming the body of work (almost 200 feet of space on the library shelf!) now most often referred to as Music Learning Theory or MLT. Summary Eric and Beau discussed Eric's Harmonic Learning Sequence course, which focuses on teaching children and adults to recognize harmonic functions through a "yes/no" game. [Yes, this is true, AI, but that’s among a whole gob of other things.] They explored how young children can naturally distinguish between tonic and dominant tones before being able to sing in tune, with Eric sharing his experience of teaching this concept to preschool-aged children. The conversation covered the importance of incorporating harmonic patterns into music education and how this skill can enhance improvisation abilities. Next steps Eric: Offer the Harmonic Learning Series course starting March 3rd and April 17th (noted as ongoing but includes specific upcoming dates)Summary Harmonic Learning Sequence Development Eric and Beau discussed Eric's teaching experience and the development of his harmonic learning Sequence. Eric shared how he accidentally discovered the concept of harmonic progressions while teaching children about resting tones, leading to the creation of his harmonic learning Sequence. They also briefly touched on Eric's upcoming course and the positive response it has received so far. Eric explained that infants as young as minutes old can distinguish their mother's voice, and by age two or three, children can understand concepts like "nice tones" and "yucky tones." Beau expressed confusion about why this natural ability to recognize harmonic functions wasn't explored more in music education, particularly given Gordon's work on learning sequences and tonal audiation. Teaching Music to Children Eric and Beau discussed teaching methods, particularly focusing on Eric's approach to teaching music to children. Eric explained his method of presenting wrong examples before correct ones, which he had developed independently and later realized was similar to principles in direct instruction theory. They discussed how children show when they are ready for more information by reacting to what makes sense or doesn't make sense. Eric emphasized the importance of listening to children and being willing to fail and iterate. He also mentioned his website teachmusictokids.com, where he has an audio example of a 1.5-year-old child learning and singing Yes and No functions. Music Learning Theory Discussion Eric and Beau discussed the relationship between harmonic and tonal audiation in music learning theory. They explored how understanding basic concepts like "yes" and "no" can make it easier to grasp root notes and tonal patterns. Eric shared his experience teaching children and his belief that natural progression in learning, such as crawling before walking, applies to music education as well. They also touched on Eric's challenges with academic politics and his preference for teaching younger students. Infant Music Learning Patterns Eric and Beau discussed early childhood music education, focusing on how young children can recognize tonal patterns and harmonic functions before they can speak. Eric explained that infants as young as minutes old can distinguish their mother's voice, and by age two or three, children can understand concepts like "nice tones" and "yucky tones." Beau expressed confusion about why this natural ability to recognize harmonic functions wasn't explored more in music education, particularly given Gordon's work on learning sequences and tonal audiation. Harmonic Aptitude in Young Children Beau and Eric discussed the development of harmonic aptitude in children, with Eric sharing his observations about young children's ability to recognize and respond to tonal and harmonic patterns. Eric noted that even very young children show reactions to unexpected musical endings, suggesting an innate ability to understand harmonic relationships. They debated whether harmonic aptitude might have a shorter developmental window compared to rhythmic or tonal aptitude, with Eric speculating that harmonic aptitude might be more fundamental than other musical aptitudes. Harmonic Aptitude and Brain Activity Eric and Beau discussed the nature of harmonic aptitude and its potential connection to innate abilities, noting that some individuals can excel in music without formal training. They explored the idea of measuring harmonic aptitude in people with limited exposure to music and considered the possibility of using functional MRI scans to understand brain activity during musical tasks. Eric emphasized the importance of aptitude testing and the limitations of inferring aptitude from performance alone, while Beau shared a personal anecdote about a student with remarkable harmonic abilities. Both agreed on the need for further research to better understand these concepts. Harmonic Teaching Methods Discussion Beau and Eric discussed teaching methods for musical aptitude tests and harmonic learning. They agreed that teaching harmony is crucial for children's musical development, contrary to Gordon's approach of focusing solely on melodies. Eric emphasized the importance of using chordal instruments and conversational dialogue while teaching. They also discussed the value of comparing harmonic patterns across different songs to help students make discriminations and understand musical concepts. Harmonic Learning Series Discussion Eric and Beau discussed Eric's upcoming harmonic learning sequence course, which consists of four 90-minute classes and an additional one-hour individual session. They explored how the course combines learning harmonic patterns and teaching methods for different musical contexts. Beau asked about the transfer of skills between tonalities, and Eric shared that while some students show cross-tonality recognition, many lack the necessary listening vocabulary. They also discussed the importance of audiation and harmonic context in improvisation. The conversation concluded with Eric mentioning his upcoming course dates in March and April, and Beau recommending the course to others.   Hosts: Eric Rasmussen, PhD in Music Education, Temple University. Three-year student of Dr. Edwin Gordon.  Chair, Early Childhood Music, Peabody Preparatory, Johns Hopkins University  Author of Harmonic Learning Sequence curriculum: Dr. Eric's Book of Songs and Chants including Harmonic Learning Sequence. See Dr. Eric's course schedule and register here. Email Dr. Eric: Teachmusictokids@gmail.com   Beau Taillefer - Guitarist (jazz and classical), music educator, intellectual  https://www.youtube.com/@beautaillefermusic https://www.beautaillefer.ca Email Beau: info@beautaillefer.ca

    59 min
  2. 13H AGO

    S05-E01-We're Back!

    See Eric and Beau's contact information at the end of these Episode Notes. NOTES: Summary Eric and Beau discuss adult students' learning experiences with audiation, particularly those who find Beau through his YouTube channel. They explored how adults approach music theory versus practical application, with many students struggling to connect theoretical concepts to actual improvisation. Beau shared insights about teaching jazz improvisation, emphasizing the importance of establishing context before practicing and the value of learning licks as a way to build vocabulary. They discussed the challenges of adult learners wanting immediate results and the need to manage expectations about the time required to develop audiation skills. The conversation highlighted how pre-screened students coming to Beau with a clear understanding of audiation has improved his teaching effectiveness, though he still faces the challenge of helping students connect theory to practice. Ear Training and Audiation Insights Beau discussed his experience teaching ear training and audiation through YouTube, noting that about 50% of his students seek ear training specifically, while others focus on piano or guitar. He observed that students are often already familiar with audiation before their first lesson, which has improved his ability to help them practice effectively. Beau shared a transformative case study of a student who gained a deeper understanding of audiation and improvisation through singing tonal patterns and root melodies, highlighting the effectiveness of his approach. Audiation Challenges in Adult LearnersBeau and Eric discussed their experiences with teaching audiation and the challenges adults face in learning to audiate. They noted that adults often struggle with improvisation, and patience compared to younger learners because they often turn things into theoretical concepts. Beau shared his method of establishing resting tones and Eric mentioned the benefits of high-intensity exposure to music for improving audiation skills. They also discussed the importance of context and repetition in learning to audiate. Adult Music Learning ChallengesBeau and Eric discussed the challenges adults face in learning music, particularly the struggle between theoretical understanding and audiation. They explored how adults often have a strong desire to grasp theoretical concepts before developing the necessary audiation skills, which can lead to difficulties in applying music theory in practical situations. The conversation highlighted the importance of linking theoretical understanding to audiation and the need for a balanced approach in music education. Jazz Improvisation Learning StrategiesBeau and Eric discussed the importance of learning jazz improvisation through listening and memorization of licks rather than trying to reverse-engineer solos or rely solely on theoretical understanding. They emphasized that learning from real players and studying different eras of jazz, such as pre-bebop and bebop, is crucial for developing proper phrasing and sound. Eric and Beau agreed that while learning licks can be an audiational practice, it is essential to build a vocabulary before overthinking and to focus on learning lines native to the desired genre. Harmonic Learning and Tonal PatternsBeau and Eric discussed the importance of learning tunes and incorporating tonal patterns into chord progressions for musical development. They emphasized that students, especially adults, often struggle with learning melodies and need a structured approach to practice. Eric highlighted the significance of understanding harmonic functions through tonal patterns, while Beau noted the benefits of formalizing practice with specific repertoire and auditioning techniques. They agreed that Harmonic Learning Sequence can provide a grounding foundation before introducing tonal patterns, and that students benefit from seeing patterns applied in a practical context. Aural Learning in Music EducationBeau and Eric discussed the importance of teaching music through aural learning and audiation, emphasizing the need to simplify processes for students, especially adults who may overcomplicate their learning. They highlighted the effectiveness of using licks and patterns to build vocabulary and the importance of establishing context before practicing complex musical concepts. They also touched on the challenges of explaining audiation to parents and the need for patience in the learning process, as it can take years to master. Hosts: Eric Rasmussen, PhD in Music Education, Temple University. Three-year student of Dr. Edwin Gordon.  Chair, Early Childhood Music, Peabody Preparatory, Johns Hopkins University  Author of Harmonic Learning Sequence curriculum: Dr. Eric's Book of Songs and Chants including Harmonic Learning Sequence. See Dr. Eric's course schedule and register here. Email Dr. Eric: Teachmusictokids@gmail.com Beau Taillefer - Guitarist (jazz and classical), music educator, intellectual  https://www.youtube.com/@beautaillefermusic https://www.beautaillefer.ca Email Beau: info@beautaillefer.ca

    36 min

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In-depth, investigative conversations about how music is learned. Occasional guests from experts of music pedagogy.