PODCAST Kingdom GOAT August 9, 2026 | Brandon Cooper Brandon Cooper discusses the concept of “the GOAT” in sports and how it relates to the desire for status and recognition in religious contexts. He emphasizes the importance of humility and service over status, using Matthew 18:1-4 as a guide. Cooper explains that true greatness in the kingdom of heaven is achieved by adopting a childlike humility, admitting sin, receiving salvation, and forgetting oneself to serve others. He highlights the need for the church to embody this self-forgetful service and encourages parents to model this behavior for their children, urging both children and adults to come like a child to Jesus. TRANSCRIPT_______________________________________________+ The following is an uncorrected transcript generated by a transcription service. Before quoting in print, please check the corresponding audio for accuracy. Well, good morning, church. It is good to see you all. It feels like it has been a while since I’ve been in this spot, at least. So good to be back. Would you go ahead grab your Bibles, though? And as Emma already told us, would you open up to Matthew chapter 18? We’ll be in verses one to four this morning. Matthew 18 one to four. Now, as you’re turning there, the question that gets asked so often is, “Who is the goat? Sometimes it’s pretty easy to answer. You’re like, whether you want to admit it or not, it’s Tom Brady. There’s no debate about it. Other times, is it Messi or Ronaldo, or more likely Pele? You’re all wrong. Okay, is it? And there’s a right answer to this one. We know LeBron or MJ. Yeah. The debates can get testy sometimes. It’s possible that once in a staff meeting, we had the LeBron MJ conversation, and I won’t name names, but those of us who aren’t from Chicago but who are from Maryland and Dubai argued the wrong side in just shocking ways. But Papa Carl set him straight, so it was fine. So these debates get testy. Goats themselves bleat a lot. Why do emotions run so high over something that is so silly and insignificant? It’s because we want to be the best, and we want everyone to know we are the best. We crave, crave status and recognition, like you know, baby birds chirping for mama to regurgitate some food in their mouths. Even in elementary school, you start to see this. So, kids, as long as you’re in the service, help me out here. You know, early on, we start to have these companies: Who’s the fastest in the class? Who’s the tallest? The smartest? The most popular? Of course, by the time you get to your senior year of high school, you actually vote on it because it’s so important. We know the answer to these questions, and all of this, as you know, breeds conflict. That’s a problem. Another problem is that we bring that mentality into the church and into the kingdom of God. Who is the best disciple? Who’s the holiest, the godliest among us? Who loves Jesus the most? And that’s the problem that Jesus addresses in our passage this morning. Now we are starting a new series today in Matthew chapter 18. It’s a very tightly knit chapter where all of the stories in it are about life in the kingdom community, which is not easy. If you’ve been in church for a week, or even if today’s your first day, you’ve been here for about 12 minutes. You’re like, “Yep, I can see people are going to be difficult even here. So this is this practical guide for life together, and the secret, as we’ll see today, is actually in our series graphic and title. So part of the secret is the idea of the little kingdom. Now, when we talk about the little kingdom, we don’t mean that the kingdom is small. It starts small, Jesus said, like a mustard seed. But of course, it’s going to grow quite large. It’s more that it is a kingdom of littles. Actually, it’s a kingdom of leasts, even, and so it is a kingdom of children in so many ways. In fact, that graphic is our big idea today. It’s there in the bulletin for you. And actually, Emma already said it for us as well. The big idea is, come like a child, come like that, like those kids in that picture. Come like a child. That’s the practical guide to Christian living. It starts there, coming like a child. So, how do we do that, though, in concrete ways? The kind of three essential steps we need to take. Steps that we actually saw in Miss Emma’s lesson, and so we’ll track with that as we go today. But step one, from verse one, there’s something we need to admit. Let’s see if we can figure it out together. So here’s Matthew 18, verse one. At that time, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who then is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? There’s the question again: Who is the goat? That’s the question the disciples are asking. What does it take to get on the discipleship podium to get the gold medal around your neck? Now, what do we think about this question as we hear it asked? Is this coming from a good place? Because it could be. You know, I want to be the best follower of Jesus that I can be. What does it take, Lord, for me to be that? Could be coming from a good place. This could just be selfish status seeking, though. It’s not so much that I want to be the best follower of Jesus that I can be, but I want to be a better follower of Jesus than the guy next to me. And we do need some context to then figure out where this is coming from, because at least in our story, and I know we’re picking up in the middle here, but even if you were to read Matthew from start to finish, the question seems to come out of nowhere. So we’re going to take a close look at the context in Matthew, but we’re actually going to draw a little bit in from Mark as well, since he tells the same story and gives us some more context. What does Matthew say? First three words, Matthew 18, at that time. So we’ve got a context already. It’s as these stories were happening. Whatever just preceded this story, like that’s that’s where it’s coming from. This question. So what’s right before? Well, Jesus, in this kind of cool miracle manages to pay the temple tax that he owes when he’s finding a coin in a fish’s mouth, which he probably put there. So he pays his temple tax. Well, he pays his temple tax along with Peter’s, and only Peter’s. And you got 11 other disciples, no doubt, going like help a brother out here. Like, you couldn’t find some more money in a different fish, being Almighty God and all of that. So Peter is singled out. Worse, Peter is singled out again, not for the first time. Matthew 14, he is walking on the water with Jesus, Matthew 16. He’s the star student who gets the answer right. You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God. Well done, Peter. Kids, as long as you’re in the room, I can ask you this question: How does it feel when your parents play Favorites. You know, your sibling gets back from practice of some sort or whatever, and you discover they got ice cream on the way home, again, three times in a row. They got ice cream. I didn’t get no ice cream. That’s how the disciples are feeling at this point. Is Jesus playing favorites, and it’s not just Peter either. It’s actually Peter, James, and John who are all part of this like inside clique. You don’t, if you’re looking at the pew Bible, you don’t even need to turn the page there. In chapter 17, verse one, it says, “After six days, Jesus took with him Peter, James, and John, and not the other nine, and they go up the Mount of Transfiguration. You can imagine how that conversation went when they came back down. How was it? Your little, you know, exclusive club of going up the mountain and stuff. It was pretty cool. We met Moses and Elijah. Jesus was really shiny. Wish you were there. Sorry you didn’t get invited. So we’re starting to wonder: Like, does Jesus like them better? Are they better? And Jesus has already said that there would be distinctions in the kingdom of heaven. Back in the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus says things like, “If you set aside these commands and teach others to do so, you’re the least in the kingdom. But if you teach these commands and you follow these commands, you’ll be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And so the disciples are going. I guess Peter figured it out, and we didn’t. So what does it take to be the greatest? And just why exactly are Peter, James, and John the ones who seem to be there already? So that’s a lot of context already. Mark fills in just a little bit more for us too, because Mark tells the story like this. Same thing. This is right after the Transfiguration. All that we read, Mark 933 and 34. What were you arguing about on the road? Jesus asked the disciples, but they kept quiet because on the way they had argued about who was the greatest. So we get kind of a key word in there. The word is argued, argued, right? We see where the question comes from now. This isn’t what what does it take. This is like they’re fighting with each other. It’s not coming from a good place. Not asking about how to become great in worship and service and obedience. It’s asking which one of us right now is tops. Really strange question for the disciples to ask too. When you consider the group of men who are asking this question, I mean, is it the traitor tax collector? Is it the hot headz who keep asking God to wipe out Their enemies, is it Peter, the world’s first case of foot and mouth disease? Peter, who, by the way, just got called Satan a couple days ago by Jesus, and then there’s Judas. Let’s not forget about him. So it’s a strange question that they’re asking, but they are, and we can see at this point it’s. Driven by that selfish status seeking, they’re not asking this question for God’s sake. I want to be the best follower that I can be. 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