Dr. Kines is the CEO and Founder of Global Epstein-Barr Virus Institute. She is a leader in recovery therapy for chronic EBV, author, wellness expert, and a highly respected doctor of clinical nutrition, a graduate of the prestigious Bastyr University. In this episode, Dr. Kasia and Dr. Lauryn talk about all things EBV, what it is, what the symptoms are, how to live with it, and much much more! - Highlights 4:04 - Dr. Kasia talks about her background and what inspired her to pursue the world of the Epstein-Barr virus. 9:30 - What is EBV? 11:11 - How do you get EBV? 12:03 - Studies that are correlating COVID and EBV 14:29 - Symptoms of EBV 16:48 - How to distinguish symptoms as EBV symptoms 18:45 - How accurate are EBV tests? 20:12 - How Dr. Kasia interprets EBV tests 22:01 - What causes EBV to be reactivated 23:56 - What to do if you have EBV 28:47 - The role of binders and detoxification 30:34 - Common misunderstandings 34:58 - How to learn more about Dr. Kasia 35:55 - A health hack that Dr. Kasia has recently learned - About Dr. Kasia Kines Dr. Kines is the CEO and Founder of Global Epstein-Barr Virus Institute. She is a leader in recovery therapy for chronic EBV, author, wellness expert, and a highly respected doctor of clinical nutrition, a graduate of the prestigious Bastyr University. Since 2005, Dr. Kines has built an international reputation as a functional nutritionist, from being sought after by Johns Hopkins University to her ground-breaking Amazon best-seller book The Epstein-Barr Virus Solution. Dr. Kines has developed an effective proprietary evidence-based methodology to EBV recovery and successful EBV Recovery Program for those suffering from EBV and also trains other practitioners in her methodology in Clinician EBV Training and Certification Program and EBV Practitioner Workshop. Dr. Kines is a passionate advocate for debunking common misinformation about EBV in medical community and lectures on this topic extensively. She is on a mission to bring the truth about EBV and solution to the world globally, so no one needs to suffer needlessly from this misunderstood virus and its complications. She lives with her husband and their companion animals on San Juan Island, WA. - Connect with Dr. Kines Website | ebvhelp.com - Connect with Dr. Lauryn Facebook | Dr. Lauryn Lax Twitter | @drlaurynlax Instagram | @drlaurynlax Website | drlauryn.com - Transcript (Episode website contains full transcript) Dr. Lauryn (00:05): Welcome to the Health Detective Podcast, a show dedicated to quieting the noise in the health, food, and fitness world. I'm your host, Dr. Lauryn, a former TV news journalist and chronic illness patient gone health detective with a master's in Functional Medicine, Nutrition, and my doctorate in occupational therapy, bringing you over 20 years of clinical and personal experience helping patients radically take their health back into their own hands. On this show, we have real conversations with a variety of interesting guests who are all a little bit of a health detective in their own way. Like today's guest, Dr. Kasia Kines, an EBV or Epstein-Barr virus expert and founder of the Global Epstein-Barr Virus Institute. She's the leader in recovery therapy for chronic EBV, an author, a wellness expert, and a highly respected doctor of clinical nutrition from the prestigious Bastyr University. Since 2005, Dr. Kines has built an international reputation as a functional nutritionist, from being sought after by Johns Hopkins University to her groundbreaking Amazon bestseller book, the Epstein-Barr Bar Virus Solution. Dr. Kines has developed an effective proprietary evidence-based methodology for EBV recovery, and this episode is power packed and full of juicy information on understanding all things EBV, which is something that at least 90% of the population has been exposed to at some time, believe it or not. So if you're ever familiar with the mono virus, maybe during college or high school, even the kissing disease is what it may be known as. You have been exposed to the Epstein-Barr virus. And while most many folks will recover from this virus and have antibodies for life, meaning like they have remnants of the virus in their body, but it's no longer an active infection, an unprecedented amount of people actually will have chronic EBV because the virus was never fully resolved, or it's been dormant, and it becomes reactivated when exposed to stressors, especially stressors in our environment. (02:16): Things like mold to our diet can definitely impact our flares, so to speak. And EBV, as we discussed today on the episode. So if you've ever wondered about what this EBV thing is about, or you may have even heard, uh, that some people have things like viruses, what is a virus? Um, how can it become reactivated, et cetera? How does it impact things like your energy to, your metabolism, to your brain function? Then you're not gonna wanna miss today's episode. Now, before we dive in if you're liking the show, please click the five stars button and leave a review in your podcast app. I absolutely love and appreciate hearing from you, and it helps us cultivate more health detectives just like you. And, of course, if you need help in your own health journey, don't hesitate to reach out. I equally love hearing from you on my website, drlauryn.com, and helping you heal your root in our amazing functional medicine-based programs over there, helping individuals worldwide change how they look, move, feel, and think. Okay, that's all, folks. Let's get to today's show. Dr. Lauryn (03:31): Dr. Kasia, I'm so excited to have you in the house to talk about a very wild west topic, EBV, that I think a lot of folks, you, you know, better than I, um, have touched before in their lives at some point and could be an underlying root cause of why all the things are not working, and I'm sure you get that a lot from your patients that you serve. But before we dive in, give us a little bit of background about what got you doing this work you are doing in the world that's near and dear to your heart. Dr. Kines (04:04): Oh, okay. Sure. Uh, and thank you for having me here. I'm really delighted to support your community. I think I'm just like you, you know, um, a result of a journey. And so as long as you are open and listening and watching, it just, it just takes you there. So, you know, I was a busy clinician and for many years, and there were some patients that I just couldn't help no matter what we did, not for the lack of trying. And then, you know, you hit the wall, and you're frustrated, and you really focused on the fact that there's just so the handful of people and that you can't help you forget about all those that you can help. And, so you ask the question to the universe, what is it? What is it? Why is it not working? And at the same time, I had a friend, um, who, out of the blue, was, um, landed in ER, was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, and that happened six months before I immigrated to the states from Poland. (05:01): And so my years as an immigrant kind of paralleled with her years fighting that illness. And, um, after about 20 years, she lost her life. And, um, it was pretty devastating. And I was frustrated because I had tried to help her here and there, but I didn't really understand. I didn't know. And then, in my desperation, I remember talking to a medical intuitive and asking, you know, what was the cause? Why did she get so sick? And the virus was mentioned. And then I also had, I think, three different patients at the same time asking me my educated opinion on the book called Medical Medium. I'm sure you heard of it. Dr. Lauryn (05:43): Mm-hmm. . Dr. Kines (05:45): And so I was busy, and so all I could do is buy the book and take it on a plane, uh, to a conference, mm-hmm. . So I was sitting on the plane and reading the book, and I almost drop off my seat because what the claims made in that book were about the people that I was not able to help. It's like, wait a second. It was a very blanket statement saying that all these illnesses, all this and all that is caused by EBV. But I was thinking, even if half of it is true, what if? And so when I went back home, I literally started to, uh, dive into medical research, and I started from lab testing and, you know, how do you actually assess? And then, the testing was really messy, I learned later. And so, but I started to test properly, you know, ask to test properly. (06:36): And we started to find a lot of EBV in my population. And, and that was also the population that had thyroid problems, uh, thyroiditis, Hashimoto, thyroiditis, you know, it's just, just, you know, it's just a journey, and you just, you take one step at a time and just honor the process. And so, so when I realized how deep that virus is, how devastating it is, I started to see patterns in, uh, my population, and I started to learn what I could about medical literature existing. Then the magic started to happen, and people started to reverse engineer their lives. And I was lucky, cuz you know, when you ask the universe, the answer comes. So I was lucky. I actually had virology in my doctoral program. Uh, and it was the only time that person taught that program. And that's when I started on the protocol. (07:33): That's when I learned about viruses in general. Cause actually, you know, I was frustrated. I went to the best schools, and you never really studied virology, let alone EBV. Nowhere was there any training on it ever. And so I felt my job was to bridge whatever medical medicine was claiming. Cause it's a, you know, far extreme, you know, on, on one extreme and what medical community needs on the other extreme in the middle was all the medical research, all the science, and all my experience and all the protocols I created. So people in the middle could actually get help. And then we can move this towards the medical community so the doctors can trai