NZ Ahead Podcast

Liz Deacle & Brian Deacle

If you're thinking about moving to New Zealand and living in New Zealand, then this is the podcast for you! The NZ AHEAD PODCAST is hosted by Liz and Brian, a husband and wife who moved to New Zealand from the UK with their small kids thirteen years ago. Every week Liz, Brian and the occasional kiwi guests share EVERYTHING there is to know about moving to and living in New Zealand. If you have your heart set on New Zealand, then you are going to LOVE this show! And don't forget! If you are serious about moving to New Zealand, then sign up for the FREE 5-day VIDEO guide! that has been lovingly put together just for you. This short 5-day video series shares aspects of New Zealand that you won't find anywhere else on the internet (that's a promise!). Ready to discover what real life in New Zealand is all about? Sign up for the FREE guide NOW: https://nzahead.com/ NZ ahead can be found on all of your favourite podcast providers. We can't wait to get to know you better and help make your dream to move to New Zealand as smooth as possible! Liz and Brian

  1. 1D AGO

    HUGE Changes To Skilled Migrant Category Resident Visa in 2026: Is This Your Opening?

    🇳🇿FREE 5-DAY NZ VIDEO GUIDE HERE ➡️ www.nzahead.com/free Watch the videos, and on day 5, you will be given details on how to join our private NZ Ahead Slack community, where Liz, Brian, Charlotte and hundreds of other New Zealand life lovers reside 🎉 One of the biggest changes coming in August 2026 is the introduction of two brand-new pathways under the Skilled Migrant Resident Visa. This opens the criteria to many people who haven't been eligible to move to New Zealand for the last two or three years. If you've been dreaming of making New Zealand your home, August 2026 could be the turning point you've been waiting for. Immigration New Zealand has announced a significant revamp of the Skilled Migrant Resident Visa, and the changes are big. Really big. Today, we sat down with NZ Ahead community Slack member our favourite immigration advisor, Charlotte Stockman from NZ Shores, to break down exactly what's happening, who will benefit, and how you can prepare.  🇳🇿If you are thinking of MOVING TO NEW ZEALAND and want to know more about the country, SIGN UP HERE for our FREE 5-DAY VIDEO GUIDE To Life in New Zealand. This leads to details on how to join the private NZ Ahead Slack Community that Charlotte and many others are part of.  Links: Reach out to Charlotte and don't forget to mention this podcast: charlotte@nzshores.com 🛑 New Zealand Shores offer a FREE eligibility test. Click below, answer a few questions and see if New Zealand is for you https://www.newzealandshores.com/ea-nzh/   Love the show? Please rate and review the NZ Ahead Podcast HERE!This is a free way to support our show: leave it a five-star rating and review wherever you listen to this podcast.It’s a chance to tell us what you love about the show, and it helps others discover it, too. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, select the star rating and hit "write review". Find lots more NZ content on our websiteNZ Ahead  Thank you!  Kia Kaha,Liz and Brian x     Want to help us out? Please rate, review and SHARE this episode! Thank you muchly xx      Subscribe to us on Apple Subscribe on Android Subscribe on Spotify

    43 min
  2. FEB 1

    Buying (and selling) a House in New Zealand. All The Inside Tricks You Need to Know

    🇳🇿FREE 5-DAY NZ VIDEO GUIDE HERE ➡️ www.nzahead.com/free There will no doubt come a time in your kiwi immigration adventure when you wish to buy a house in New Zealand. Which is why you are going to LOVE this week's podcast episode! Today, Liz chats with NZ Ahead's favourite New Zealand real-estate agent (and very good friend) Angie. Angie, a senior member of Smith and Bishop Real Estate in Taranaki, has been helping people buy and sell houses across New Zealand for over 13 years. This girl knows her stuff! (Plus, she's a very good friend, so I can vouch for her personally.) Today, Anjie shares some real, juicy inside information and tips that will shed a lot of light on the whole (often confusing) process of buying and selling property in New Zealand.Sit back, and learn all there is to know about buying and selling your home in New Zealand, with Anjie. Here’s how you can learn more about our private NZ Ahead community and join us: www.nzahead.com/free🇳🇿If you are thinking of MOVING TO NEW ZEALAND and want to know more about the country, SIGN UP HERE for our FREE 5-DAY VIDEO GUIDE To Life in New Zealand. (This leads to details on how to join the private NZ Ahead Slack Community that we are talking about)  Links: You can contact Anjie directly by email: anjie@smithbishop.co.nz or visit Smith and Bishop's website (and don't forget to mention the NZ Ahead Podcast!Website: https://www.smithbishop.co.nz/ Love the show? Please rate and review the NZ Ahead Podcast HERE! This is a free way to support our show by leaving it a five-star rating and review on Apple Podcasts.It’s a chance to tell us what you love about the show, and it helps others discover it, too. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, select the star rating and hit "write review".Thank you!  Kia Kaha,Liz and Brian x    Love the show? Please rate and review us HERE!  This is a free way to support our show by leaving it a five-star rating and review on Apple Podcasts. It’s a chance to tell us what you love about the show, and it helps others discover it, too. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, select the star rating and hit "write review". Thank you!  Want to help us out? Please rate, review and SHARE this episode! Thank you muchly xx   Moving to New Zealand? Here's More Content For You! The Dreaded Homesickness. What to do and how to cope. Being a teacher in New Zealand. Life at School. Moving to New Zealand from the USA. The Truth About The First Six Months. Taranaki. Why We Consider It One Of The BEST Places In NZ To Live. WARNING!! Do Not Say This in New Zealand!! Canada or New Zealand? Why We Chose New Zealand Life in New Zealand Compared to the UK. From a Kiwi Who's Tried Both Leaving America to live in New Zealand 7 Things That Scared us About Moving To New Zealand Living in New Zealand. Why 30% Of Immigrants Go Back Home Moving to New Zealand. The How's, the Whys and the Hoops. Moving to New Zealand. 5 Rookie Mistakes to Avoid Making Americans in New Zealand. Will They Ever Feel at Home?   Interested in Life in New Zealand? Here's More Content For You! Is New Zealand NEGLECTING These Essential Life Skills? Lions and Tigers and Bears Oh My...Scary Things in New Zealand 7 Weird Things About New Zealand You Know You're in New Zealand When... Where To Live in New Zealand? North or South Island?     Subscribe to us on Apple Subscribe on Android Subscribe on Spotify

    1h 22m
  3. JAN 20

    7 Mistakes NZ Tourists (continue) to Make

    🇳🇿FREE 5-DAY NZ VIDEO GUIDE HERE ➡️ www.nzahead.com/free Moving to New Zealand? Perhaps you're taking an NZ vacation - having a little looksy beforehand. You know us by now. We're not judgy on this channel. Not me and Bri. Uh uh. We only have your best interests at heart. Always. So, believe us when we say, this is an important episode. Do yourself a favour and have a listen (and a giggle) and save yourself the embarrassment of looking like a complete wally. Like Liz did when she first visited New Zealand. You're welcome...!! x   🇳🇿 Remember! If you are thinking of MOVING TO NEW ZEALAND and want to know more about the country, SIGN UP HERE for our FREE 5-DAY VIDEO GUIDE To Life in New Zealand. (This leads to details on how to join the private NZ Ahead Community that Brian and I talk about!). 🛑 We are unable to give immigration advice. ​The company we recommend to help you with this is NZ Shores. ​Click the link below to take the FREE eligibility test and see if New Zealand is for you.https://nzshores,com 💰 Transferring currency? We've teamed up with TorFX.  If you want a money-saving currency solution where trust and transparency count, we've done the homework for you. We use them, and people in our community use them. These guys are FABULOUS! ➡️ https://itsadrama.com/torfx    🐕‍🦺 Pet Relocation: We only recommend one company for pet relocation: Starwood Pet Travel. Hundreds of people in our community have used Starwood, and their reviews are glowing. For listeners of It's a Drama and NZ Ahead Podcast, Starwood is proud to give new customers one free Pet Protection Plan for your pet’s upcoming move to New Zealand. This is a $400 value and will cover unexpected travel-related expenses for your pet’s journey. Remember to mention this promo when you speak to a Starwood Team Member. Click the link below, and don't forget to mention Liz and Brian @ NZ Ahead or It's a Drama Podcast! https://itsadrama.com/starwood-pet-tr...   Please assume that all links on this page are affiliate links. This means we will be paid a commission (at no cost to you) if you choose to use any of the above services through our link. We will only ever recommend companies that we know, love and trust. Always.   Check out our Youtube Channel, It's a Drama! And please don't forget to follow and share! ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/@ItsaDrama    Do You LOVE New Zealand & dream of moving here one day? Are you Considering Moving To New Zealand and are desperate to know what life in New Zealand is (really) like?  Sign up HERE, and we will send you our FREE Moving to and Living in New Zealand 5-Part Video Series!  (At the end of the series, you will be offered details of becoming a member of our inspiring and growing private NZ Ahead community). Start your adventure ball rolling today and get your free 5-Day Life in NZ videos NOW! ➡️ www.nzahead.com/free     Love the show? Please rate and review us HERE!  This is a free way to support our show by leaving it a five-star rating and review on Apple Podcasts. It’s a chance to tell us what you love about the show, and it helps others discover it, too. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, select the star rating and hit "write review". Thank you!  Want to help us out? PLease rate, review and SHARE this episode! Thank you muchly xx   Moving to New Zealand? Here's More Content For You! The Dreaded Homesickness. What to do and how to cope. Being a teacher in New Zealand. Life at School. Moving to New Zealand from the USA. The Truth About The First Six Months. Taranaki. Why We Consider It One Of The BEST Places In NZ To Live. WARNING!! Do Not Say This in New Zealand!! Canada or New Zealand? Why We Chose New Zealand Life in New Zealand Compared to the UK. From a Kiwi Who's Tried Both Leaving America to live in New Zealand 7 Things That Scared us About Moving To New Zealand Living in New Zealand. Why 30% Of Immigrants Go Back Home Moving to New Zealand. The How's, the Whys and the Hoops. Moving to New Zealand. 5 Rookie Mistakes to Avoid Making Americans in New Zealand. Will They Ever Feel at Home?   Interested in Life in New Zealand? Here's More Content For You! Is New Zealand NEGLECTING These Essential Life Skills? Lions and Tigers and Bears Oh My...Scary Things in New Zealand 7 Weird Things About New Zealand You Know You're in New Zealand When... Where To Live in New Zealand? North or South Island?     Subscribe to us on Apple Subscribe on Android Subscribe on Spotify

    37 min
  4. JAN 5

    If THIS Doesn't Inspire You To Make Your NZ Dream Happen We Don't Know What Will

    🇳🇿FREE 5-DAY NZ VIDEO GUIDE HERE ➡️ www.nzahead.com/free Welcome to 2026! If this episode doesn't inspire you to say "enough is enough" and make your dream of moving to New Zealand a reality, we don't know what will. Two questions for you: How long have you been dreaming of moving to New Zealand? How long do you intend to keep "dreaming" about moving to New Zealand? Today, we are here to encourage, push, support and beg you to make that massive leap and finally, FINALLY put into action that dream that's been living at the back of your mind for far too long. You can do it. You can move to New Zealand.Thousands before you have done it. Thousands after you will do it. Will you be one of those people? Will you live your life to the full and never say the words  "what if?" We hope so. Please know you are not alone. Let us help you make 2026 the year you put yourself first and move your NZ status from "dream" to "reality". Happy New Year, lovely people. We hope to see you on the other side! Kia Kaha,Liz and Brian xLINKS: Here’s how you can learn more about our private NZ Ahead community and join us: www.nzahead.com/free🇳🇿If you are thinking of MOVING TO NEW ZEALAND and want to know more about the country, SIGN UP HERE for our FREE 5-DAY VIDEO GUIDE To Life in New Zealand. (This leads to details on how to join the private NZ Ahead Slack Community that we are talking about) 🛑 ​We are unable to give immigration advice, but NZ Shores Immigration advisors are the company we use, love and trust. Take the FREE NZ Shores eligibility test and see if New Zealand is possible for you.https://nzshores.com 💰 Transferring currency? We've teamed up with TorFX.  We use them, as do many people in our community. If you want trustworthy, real people on the other end of the phone, along with the best rates, then TorFx is for you. These guys are FABULOUS! ➡️ https://itsadrama.com/torfx  If you are struggling with loss and grief, please know you are not alone.  Liz's new book, You Won't Just Cry When They Die, will help you survive, cope and gently heal when your world turns upside down. You can find her book here. Do you LOVE New Zealand & dream of moving here one day? Are you Considering Moving To New Zealand and are desperate to know what life in New Zealand is (really) like?  Sign up HERE, and we will send you our FREE Moving to and Living in New Zealand 5-Part Video Series!  (At the end of the series, you will be offered details of becoming a member of our inspiring and growing private NZ Ahead community). Love the show? Please rate and review the NZ Ahead Podcast HERE!This is a free way to support our show by leaving it a five-star rating and review on Apple Podcasts. It’s a chance to tell us what you love about the show, and it helps others discover it, too. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, select the star rating and hit "write review".Thank you!

    32 min
  5. 12/16/2025

    Relocating to New Zealand in 2026: The Truth of it all (from people actually doing it)

    🇳🇿FREE 5-DAY NZ VIDEO GUIDE HERE ➡️ www.nzahead.com/free Ever feel like you're researching the "highlight reel" of moving to New Zealand? The perfect visas, the seamless pet moves, the dream home waiting... but what about the real, messy, behind-the-scenes stuff? The stuff that actually happens? This episode is different. Today, we are sharing something we very rarely share. We just got off our monthly unfiltered live Zoom call with our NZ Ahead community members. No scripts, no cameras for YouTube, just real people in the middle of their messy, beautiful, stressful, and hopeful journeys to New Zealand. They shared the stories you won't find on an immigration website. And today, we're going to pass those messages on to you. Because we suspect you may need to hear this. Today, we’re talking about: The "Pet CV" that made a landlord say YES in cutthroat Auckland. The heart-stopping $21,000 bill for moving a furry family.  The international bank transfer that FAILED, leaving them stranded without savings. The one document they forgot to check that delayed their move by 6 months. If you're lying awake at night wondering if you can actually do this move to NZ, this episode is your proof: you can. But you don't have to do it blind. Remember. You’re not alone in this. Kia kaha Stay strong, stay true, and listen to your calling. LINKS: Here’s how you can learn more and join us:  🇳🇿Remember! If you are thinking of MOVING TO NEW ZEALAND and want to know more about the country, SIGN UP HERE for our FREE 5-DAY VIDEO GUIDE To Life in New Zealand. (This leads to details on how to join the private NZ Ahead Slack Community that we are talking about)  🛑  ​Click the link below to take the FREE NZ Shores eligibility test and see if New Zealand is for you.https://nzshores.com 💰 Transferring currency? We've teamed up with TorFX.  If you want a money-saving currency solution where trust and transparency count, we've done the homework for you. We use them, and people in our community use them. These guys are FABULOUS! ➡️ https://itsadrama.com/torfx  Do you LOVE New Zealand & dream of moving here one day? Are you Considering Moving To New Zealand and are desperate to know what life in New Zealand is (really) like?  Sign up HERE, and we will send you our FREE Moving to and Living in New Zealand 5-Part Video Series!  (At the end of the series, you will be offered details of becoming a member of our inspiring and growing private NZ Ahead community).   If you are struggling with loss and grief, please know you are not alone. After experiencing deep loss, Liz has written a book that will help you survive, cope and gently heal when your world turns upside down. You can find her book here.    Love the show? Please rate and review us HERE!  This is a free way to support our show by leaving it a five-star rating and review on Apple Podcasts. It’s a chance to tell us what you love about the show, and it helps others discover it, too. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, select the star rating and hit "write review". Thank you!   Subscribe to us on Apple Subscribe on Android

    45 min
  6. 12/01/2025

    Moving to NZ With a Medical Condition. A USA Family's Visa Journey

    🇳🇿FREE 5-DAY NZ VIDEO GUIDE HERE ➡️ www.nzahead.com/free ALERT: If you need a massive dose of "yes, you can move to NZ," this episode is for you.Moving to New Zealand with a family seems daunting enough, but what if your child has a medical condition? Is it even possible? In today's podcast, we sit down with Kristen, a member of our NZ Ahead community from Denver, Colorado, USA, who is navigating the move to Queenstown with her husband and two young children. If you've ever been told "it's not possible," this story is for you. Get ready for an incredibly relatable and empowering story that covers the emotional weight of leaving a thriving career, the power of networking as an introvert, and the practical steps to securing a job and a visa. 💥 LISTEN TO DISCOVER:   Navigating NZ immigration with a child's medical condition. The "Acceptable Standard of Health" explained. How to network and find a job in New Zealand from overseas. The emotional challenges of leaving a successful career behind. Tips for managing the stress of an international move. Enjoy and thank you so much, Kristen ❤️ Links:   🇳🇿 If you are thinking of MOVING TO NEW ZEALAND and want to know more about the country, SIGN UP for our FREE 5-DAY VIDEO GUIDE to Life in New Zealand. (This leads to details on how to join the private NZ Ahead Slack Community that Kristen is a long-time member of.) www.nzahead.com/free   🛑 ​Click the link below to take the FREE NZ Shores eligibility test and see if New Zealand is for you. https://www.newzealandshores.com/ea-nzh/   💰 Transferring currency? We've teamed up with TorFX. If you want a money-saving currency solution where trust and transparency count, we've done the homework for you. We use them, and people in our community use them. These guys are FABULOUS! ➡️ https://itsadrama.com/torfx   🚗 Looking for the best DEALS on car hire? We use love and trust Discover Cars. They are consistently good and find us the best deals. Check out car hire here: https://itsadrama.com/NZcars   Do you LOVE New Zealand & dream of moving here one day? Are you Considering Moving To New Zealand and are desperate to know what life in New Zealand is (really) like? Sign up now and we will send you our FREE Moving to and Living in New Zealand 5-Part Video Series! (At the end of the series, you will be offered details of becoming a member of our inspiring and growing private NZ Ahead community). www.nzahead.com/free  Start your adventure ball rolling today and get your free 5-Day Life in NZ videos NOW! ➡️ www.nzahead.com/free 📹 Check out our YouTube Channel, It's a Drama! And please don't forget to follow and share! ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/@ItsaDrama   Love the show? Please rate and review us HERE! rate and review us HERE! This is a free way to support our show by leaving it a five-star rating and review on Apple Podcasts. It’s a chance to tell us what you love about the show, and it helps others discover it, too. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, select the star rating and hit "write review". Thank you! Please assume that all links on this page are affiliate links. This means we will be paid a commission (at no cost to you) if you choose to use any of the above services through our link. We will only ever recommend companies that we know, love and trust. Always.

    1 hr
  7. 11/17/2025

    When NZ Immigration says NO. One couples fight for a New Zealand Visa

    Love NZ? Get your free 5-Day Life in NZ videos NOW! ➡️ www.nzahead.com/freeAfter her New Zealand visa was denied, Canadian social worker and NZ Ahead community member, Huma, was faced with an impossible choice. Today, Huma shares her 2-year battle with the NZ immigration system, the extreme sacrifice of renouncing her Pakistani citizenship, and how she finally achieved her dream of moving to Christchurch. This is such an inspiring story and one we think you will love. Enjoy and thank you so much, Huma ❤️  Kia Kaha. Aroha. Liz and Brian. 🇳🇿 Remember! If you are MOVING TO NEW ZEALAND and want to know more about the country, SIGN UP below for our FREE 5-DAY VIDEO GUIDE To Life in New Zealand. This will also lead you to more details of the NZAhead Community that Liz, and Huma talk about! 🇳🇿  www.nzahead.com/free Links: If you are thinking of MOVING TO NEW ZEALAND and want to know more about the country, SIGN UP for our FREE 5-DAY VIDEO GUIDE To Life in New Zealand. (This leads to details on how to join the private NZ Ahead Slack Community that Huma is a long time member of). www.nzahead.com/free 🛑 ​Click the link below to take the FREE NZ Shores eligibility test and see if New Zealand is for you.https://nzshores,com 💰 Transferring currency? We've teamed up with TorFX. If you want a money-saving currency solution where trust and transparency count, we've done the homework for you. We use them, and people in our community use them. These guys are FABULOUS! ➡️ https://itsadrama.com/torfx 🚗 Looking for the best DEALS on car hire? We use love and trust Discover Cars. They are consistently good and find us the best deals. Check out car hire here: https://itsadrama.com/NZcars Do you LOVE New Zealand & dream of moving here one day? Are you Considering Moving To New Zealand and are desperate to know what life in New Zealand is (really) like? Sign up now and we will send you our FREE Moving to and Living in New Zealand 5-Part Video Series! (At the end of the series, you will be offered details of becoming a member of our inspiring and growing private NZ Ahead community). www.nzahead.com/free  Start your adventure ball rolling today and get your free 5-Day Life in NZ videos NOW! ➡️ www.nzahead.com/free Love the show? Please rate and review us HERE! rate and review us HERE! This is a free way to support our show by leaving it a five-star rating and review on Apple Podcasts. It’s a chance to tell us what you love about the show, and it helps others discover it, too. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, select the star rating and hit "write review". Thank you! Subscribe to us on Apple, Subscribe on Android, Subscribe on Spotify

    1h 4m
  8. 11/03/2025

    Arriving in NZ. Customs and Immigration Rules (you'll NEED to Know to get through)

    🇳🇿FREE 5-DAY NZ VIDEO GUIDE HERE ➡️ https://nzahead.com/free/  Travelling to New Zealand is exciting, but facing immigration and customs questions at the airport border control can be intimidating. Today, we chat with immigration advisor Charlotte from NZ Shores to uncover the biggest mistakes people make at the New Zealand border and what you MUST avoid saying/doing to customs and immigration when landing at Auckland International Airport or any NZ entry point. Listen to learn how to be prepared for a stress-free start to your New Zealand adventure! 🇳🇿 Remember! If you are MOVING TO NEW ZEALAND and want to know more about the country, SIGN UP below for our FREE 5-DAY VIDEO GUIDE To Life in New Zealand. This will also lead you to more details of the NZAhead Community that Liz, Brian and Charlotte talk about! 🇳🇿 https://itsadrama.com/ilovenz/  🛑 🔗 Connect with Charlotte: charlotte@nzshores.com, and don't forget to mention NZ Ahead! ​ 🛑 Need immigration advice? Use NZ Shores! Click the link below to take the FREE eligibility test and see if New Zealand is for you, and don't forget to mention this podcast! https://bit.ly/ytiadea  💰 Transferring currency? We've teamed up with TorFX. If you want a money-saving currency solution where trust and transparency count, we've done the homework for you. We use them, and people in our community use them. These guys are FABULOUS! ➡️ https://itsadrama.com/torfx 🚗 Looking for the best DEALS on car hire? We use love and trust Discover Cars. They are consistently good and find us the best deals. Check out car hire here: https://itsadrama.com/NZcars  Do you LOVE New Zealand & dream of moving here one day? Are you Considering Moving To New Zealand and are desperate to know what life in New Zealand is (really) like? Sign up now and we will send you our FREE Moving to and Living in New Zealand 5-Part Video Series! (At the end of the series, you will be offered details of becoming a member of our inspiring and growing private NZ Ahead community). www.nzahead.com/free    Start your adventure ball rolling today and get your free 5-Day Life in NZ videos NOW! ➡️ www.nzahead.com/free   Love the show? Please rate and review us HERE! rate and review us HERE! This is a free way to support our show by leaving it a five-star rating and review on Apple Podcasts. It’s a chance to tell us what you love about the show, and it helps others discover it, too. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, select the star rating and hit "write review". Thank you! Subscribe to us on Apple, Subscribe on Android, Subscribe on Spotify

    36 min
4.7
out of 5
13 Ratings

About

If you're thinking about moving to New Zealand and living in New Zealand, then this is the podcast for you! The NZ AHEAD PODCAST is hosted by Liz and Brian, a husband and wife who moved to New Zealand from the UK with their small kids thirteen years ago. Every week Liz, Brian and the occasional kiwi guests share EVERYTHING there is to know about moving to and living in New Zealand. If you have your heart set on New Zealand, then you are going to LOVE this show! And don't forget! If you are serious about moving to New Zealand, then sign up for the FREE 5-day VIDEO guide! that has been lovingly put together just for you. This short 5-day video series shares aspects of New Zealand that you won't find anywhere else on the internet (that's a promise!). Ready to discover what real life in New Zealand is all about? Sign up for the FREE guide NOW: https://nzahead.com/ NZ ahead can be found on all of your favourite podcast providers. We can't wait to get to know you better and help make your dream to move to New Zealand as smooth as possible! Liz and Brian

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