The Last Dinosaur - Maritime Shipping In the Digital Age

Christopher Aversano

Maritime Digital Evolution with Chris Aversano Dive deep into the maritime world's digital transformation with Chris Aversano, a seasoned maritime professional with three decades of experience both on shore and at sea. Recognizing that the maritime sector has been one of the last to fully embrace the digital age, Chris delves into the pivotal changes now underway. Join Chris as he engages with the trailblazers, innovators, investors, and thought leaders who are steering the maritime industry into the digital future. Whether you're a maritime enthusiast, a tech aficionado, or someone curious about both realms, this podcast promises insightful discussions and a fresh perspective on the maritime digital frontier. Tune in and embark on a journey to explore the digital waves reshaping the maritime world.

  1. 1d ago

    Episode 138: Weather, Risk & Maritime Decision Making with Amy Buhl of Weathernews

    Episode 138: Weather, Risk & Maritime Decision Making with Amy Buhl of Weathernews Guest: Amy Buhl, Service Operations Leader at Weathernews Episode Overview Weather impacts every voyage, every day, yet it often operates quietly in the background of maritime decision-making. In this episode of The Last Dinosaur, Chris sits down with Amy Buhl, Service Operations Leader at Weathernews, to discuss how weather intelligence, vessel operations, connectivity, vessel performance, and voyage optimization are becoming increasingly interconnected. Drawing on more than two decades of experience, Amy explains how voyage optimization has evolved from simply avoiding bad weather into a sophisticated balancing act involving safety, fuel efficiency, emissions performance, commercial requirements, and real-time operational decision-making. The conversation also explores the growing role of Starlink-enabled connectivity, probabilistic forecasting, and how weather professionals help operators navigate an increasingly volatile environment. Key Discussion Highlights 01:00 – Introduction to Amy Buhl and Weathernews 05:50 – Why a global maritime weather company operates from Oklahoma 09:00 – How Weathernews supports voyage planning, routing, monitoring, and post-voyage analysis 12:00 – The evolution of voyage optimization and the impact of emissions regulations 15:00 – Technology as decision support, not decision replacement 18:00 – Why maritime digitalization is often a communication challenge 20:30 – Starlink, real-time connectivity, and changing ship-shore operations 23:00 – Probabilistic forecasting and helping operators understand risk 26:00 – Extreme weather, rapid intensification, and emerging operational challenges 29:00 – Why maritime meteorology provides a unique view of global trade 32:00 – The real-world impact of weather decisions on global supply chains 34:45 – Wrap-up and book recommendations Related Listening Episode 134: Maritime's Digital Transformation with Tim Morris of ITS UK Maritime Both conversations explore how technology only creates value when it integrates into operational workflows and helps people make better decisions. Tune In Now Available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and wherever you get your podcasts. Music by: Peg and The Rejected – King of SKA Artwork by: GA Design Produced by: Chris Aversano Support Our Podcast If you've found value in this episode, please rate the podcast, leave a review, follow the show, and share it with a colleague. Interested in sponsoring The Last Dinosaur? Reach out to our friends at Digital Ship to learn more about advertising opportunities.

    34 min
  2. May 26

    Episode 137: Fuel, Data, and Real Margins – Building a Modern Bunkering Business with Daniel Rose of Shipergy

    Episode 137: Fuel, Data, and Real Margins – Building a Modern Bunkering Business with Daniel Rose of Shipergy Guest: Daniel Rose, Co-Founder, Shipergy Episode Overview: What does it take to build a modern trading business in one of shipping's oldest markets? In Episode 137, Daniel Rose shares how he co-founded Shipergy and scaled it from zero to over $200M in revenue, all while building data-driven tools that challenge how fuel is bought and valued. From early-stage chaos to AI-enabled operations, this is a grounded look at where technology really works and where it doesn't. Key Moments   00:10 – The origin of Shipergy From entrepreneur-in-residence to building a new kind of bunkering company 01:50 – Why tech comes second to revenue early on Starting with fuel trading, not software 04:35 – Solving real problems vs chasing hype Why most "cool tech" never lands in maritime 07:40 – Scaling to $200M+ revenue What actually drove early growth (and what didn't) 11:00 – Building trust from zero Credit, counterparties, and flying around the world to close deals 15:40 – The mistake: growth for growth's sake Why slowing down might have made more money 18:20 – The hidden inefficiency in bunkering Why energy content and not price per ton should matter 21:30 – Data, transparency, and margin tension Why transparency is both necessary and dangerous 25:10 – Why adoption fails (and how to fix it) If it's not tied to KPIs, no one cares 28:30 – Proof over pitch Using external validation and real data to win trust 30:40 – AI in shipping: what actually changes Efficiency gains, not full automation 32:40 – The shift from SaaS to data consumption Why clients increasingly want APIs, not platforms 34:50 – AI inside the company 4x productivity—but with real risks 38:00 – Leadership and decision-making Lessons from The Courage to Be Disliked 🤝 Sponsor This episode is sponsored by Danelec. Their latest collaboration with Thetius, The Great Integration, explores the hidden "fragmentation tax" across shipping; where teams lose time reconciling data across disconnected systems instead of making decisions. Recommended listening for owners, charterers, and commercial teams looking to better connect data, workflows, and operational insight. For more information, reach out to our friends at Digital Ship. Tune in Now: Available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and more. Watch the episode on YouTube. Music by: Peg and The Rejected – King of SKA Art Work By: GA Design Produced by: Chris Aversano Support Our Podcast: If you've found value in this episode, please rate us 5-stars and follow. Subscribe to our newsletter for more updates. Your support truly makes a difference!

    41 min
  3. May 12

    Episode 136: Translating Maritime Innovation – From Shipyards to Startups with Caitlin Hardy

    Episode 136: Translating Maritime Innovation – From Shipyards to Startups with Caitlin Hardy Guest: Caitlin Hardy, Founder & Managing Director, Ness Sea Episode Overview: Caitlin Hardy joins The Last Dinosaur to break down what it really takes to bring technology into maritime, from shipbuilding and subsea systems to startups trying to find product-market fit. Drawing on her experience across naval architecture, Kongsberg, and now Ness Sea, Caitlin offers a clear-eyed view of why adoption is hard, who drives innovation, and why the industry still struggles to tell its story. This conversation touches on the realities of commercial vs defense innovation, the role of capital in driving change, and the growing need for "translators" who can bridge engineering, operations, and business. Key Points Bridging Ship and Shore: The disconnect between design, operations, and crews continues to create friction and opportunity Commercial vs Defense Reality: Speed vs process and why commercial maritime moves faster than government-led innovation Innovation is Owned by Risk-Takers: Progress happens when someone is willing to fund and trial new technology Startups in Maritime: Execution under real-world constraints is far harder than building the idea Autonomy vs Practical Automation: The industry may see more impact from incremental automation than full autonomy The Translator Gap: Maritime needs more professionals who can connect technical, operational, and commercial perspectives A Branding Problem: The industry struggles to tell its story and attract the next generation of talent Timestamps 00:50 – Introduction to Caitlin Hardy 01:40 – Early maritime roots and Naval Academy background 04:00 – Transition from Navy to commercial maritime 07:20 – Procurement complexity and shipbuilding challenges 12:53 – Subsea technology and autonomy: reality vs hype 17:15 – Who owns innovation in maritime 22:15 – The rise of maritime tech startups 24:35 – What founders get wrong 26:55 – What operators get wrong 33:18 – Social media and maritime's branding problem 40:20 – Wrap-up and final thoughts Learn More: For more on how capital and strategy are shaping maritime innovation, check out Episode 112 with Kenji Togasaki, as well as past conversations with Jan Dieleman and Evan Efstathiou. Tune in Now: Available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and more. Watch the episode on YouTube. Sponsor – KVH Industries Staying connected at sea isn't just about bandwidth anymore. It's about reliability, flexibility, and control. KVH Industries is setting a new standard with fully integrated LEO connectivity, combining Starlink and OneWeb with advanced onboard network management. Whether you're managing a single vessel or an entire global fleet, KVH delivers fast, low-latency connectivity with seamless switching across networks. And with the CommBox Edge ecosystem, you can manage bandwidth, prioritise applications, and optimise performance across every vessel. You're not just connected—you're in control. Visit kvh.com and see what full control at sea really looks like. Interested in Sponsoring? If you're looking to reach a highly engaged maritime audience of operators, technologists, and decision-makers, The Last Dinosaur partners with Digital Ship for podcast sponsorships. Get in touch with Digital Ship to explore opportunities.

    43 min
  4. Episode 135: Beyond Compliance – The Reality of Seafarer Wellbeing with Meei Wong

    Apr 28

    Episode 135: Beyond Compliance – The Reality of Seafarer Wellbeing with Meei Wong

    Episode Overview: A conversation that challenges how the industry defines "wellbeing." Meei Wong, Founder and CEO of Circle Digital Ventures, breaks down why compliance-driven metrics miss the real picture onboard—and why trust, culture, and incentives are the real barriers to improving life at sea. Timestamps: 00:05 – Introduction and Meei's journey into seafarer welfare 02:23 – A broken system: industry value vs reliance on charities 05:20 – What wellbeing actually looks like onboard vs compliance metrics 10:36 – Why self-reported data misses the reality 13:08 – Health gaps, underreporting, and life at sea 17:35 – Adoption challenges and resistance to new technology 20:13 – Who drives adoption—and who pays 24:23 – The shift from CSR to risk management 28:30 – The case for investing in human lives 31:26 – Closing thoughts and reading recommendations Learn More: Check out related conversations on seafarer welfare and human systems, including Episode 109, featuring Pam Kern talking about maritime mental health. Tune in Now: Available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and more. Watch the episode on YouTube. Music by: Peg and The Rejected 'King of SKA' Art Work By: GA Design Produced by: Chris Aversano Support Our Podcast: If you've found value in this episode, please rate us 5-stars and follow. Share it with someone in the industry who should be part of this conversation. Interested in sponsoring the podcast? Connect with Digital Ship to learn more.

    36 min
  5. Apr 14

    Episode 134: Why Maritime Still Isn't Connected – And What It Will Take to Fix It

    Guest: Tim Morris, Principal Engineer at Arup; Chair, ITS UK Maritime Forum Episode Overview: Maritime has no shortage of digital tools. What it lacks is connection. In this episode, Chris Aversano speaks with Tim Morris about why shipping still operates in silos while other transport sectors have evolved into fully connected systems. They explore what intelligent transport systems (ITS) really mean in a maritime context, where the industry is falling short, and how better coordination across ports, vessels, and landside logistics could unlock efficiency, resilience, and sustainability. Key Moments 00:05 – Introduction Chris sets the stage: maritime as part of a broader transport ecosystem and the gap between shipping and other modes. 01:14 – Tim's Background and Systems Thinking From highways to ports, Tim explains how land-based transport challenges led him to maritime and system-wide coordination. 03:23 – The "Light Bulb" Moment COVID disruptions revealed how fragile and disconnected maritime systems are when things go wrong. 07:42 – What Is an Intelligent Transport System (ITS)? ITS defined as digitized data + secure communication + decision-making capability across connected systems. 12:00 – The Core Problem: Who Owns the System? Chris highlights the fundamental challenge of fragmentation and lack of shared standards across stakeholders. 13:04 – Technology vs. Transformation Tim explains why this is not just a tech problem, but a change management and alignment issue. 16:27 – Where to Start: Breaking the Deadlock Ports and terminals emerge as a practical starting point for enabling data sharing and coordination. 21:16 – The UK Perspective How the UK is exploring coastal shipping, smaller port inclusion, and integrated transport strategies. 23:46 – What Happens If We Do Nothing? The risk is not just inefficiency—it is widening disconnect between maritime and the rest of the supply chain. 25:45 – Efficiency, AI, and New Business Models Connectivity could unlock new services, better decision-making, and entirely new commercial opportunities. 28:28 – Human + AI Collaboration AI as a support tool, not a replacement, especially in safety-critical maritime environments. 28:51 – What Tim Is Reading The Wide Wide Sea by Hampton Sides—a look at Captain James Cook's final voyage and early navigation challenges. 29:55 – A Book in the Works Tim shares that he is co-authoring a book on maritime ITS, expected later this year. Learn More 🎧 Related episode: Episode 122: Data Infrastructure, Not Apps – with Ari Marjamaa of Raa Labs A complementary conversation on building the data layer required for system-wide coordination. Tune in Now Available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and more. Watch clips on YouTube. Support & Advertising If you've found value in this episode, please follow, share, and leave a 5-star review. 📣 Interested in advertising on The Last Dinosaur? Reach out to our friends at Digital Ship to learn more about sponsorship opportunities. Music by: Peg and The Rejected – "King of SKA" Art Work By: GA Design Produced by: Chris Aversano

    32 min
  6. Mar 31

    Episode 133: The Human Side of Shipping: Seafarer Welfare in a Connected World

    Episode 133: The Human Side of Shipping: Seafarer Welfare in a Connected World Episode Overview Recorded live at CMA Shipping, this roundtable pulls back the curtain on seafarers' welfare in modern shipping. Chris sits down with Rev. Stephen Cushing, Julia Cooper, and Dr. Christopher Graham to explore how digital transformation is reshaping life for crews when ships come into port. From Starlink and onboard connectivity to WhatsApp communication, e-commerce logistics, and social media visibility, this conversation highlights how seafarer welfare has evolved into a critical part of the maritime ecosystem. It also brings into focus a more immediate reality. At a time of rising geopolitical tension, including conflict impacting key shipping lanes, thousands of seafarers continue to operate in high-risk regions. Often out of sight, they remain on the front lines of global trade. Key Discussion Sections 00:00 Introduction to the Maritime Landscape Setting the stage from CMA Shipping and framing the role of seafarers within global supply chains. 02:41 Seafarers' Welfare and Digital Transformation How welfare centers are evolving into logistics hubs, communication bridges, and digital support systems. 05:24 Crew Expectations and Shore-Based Support How increased connectivity is reshaping what seafarers need when they come ashore. 07:51 The Role of Technology in Seafarer Connectivity The impact of Starlink, SIM cards, and onboard internet access on crew behavior and expectations. 10:30 Social Media and Its Impact on Seafarers How platforms like WhatsApp, Instagram, and Facebook are shaping communication, visibility, and continuity of care. 13:09 Mental Health and Crew Dynamics The balance between connectivity and isolation, and the importance of leadership and culture onboard. 15:31 The Future of Seafaring and Automation Concerns around automation, job security, and the increasing complexity of maritime careers. 18:12 The Human Element in Maritime Operations Why seafarers remain the essential and often invisible backbone of global trade. 21:01 Final Thoughts on Seafarers' Welfare Including the realities of seafarers operating in active geopolitical hotspots and why their role is often overlooked until disruption occurs. Learn More For more on this topic, check out Episode 87: Navigating the Future – Seafarers' Welfare and Maritime Challenges, recorded live at the NAMMA Annual Conference. That conversation explores similar themes including shore leave, connectivity, and the evolving role of welfare organizations across the maritime industry. Tune in Now Available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and more. Watch clips and follow along on LinkedIn and YouTube. Music by: Peg and The Rejected "King of SKA" Art Work By: GA Design Produced by: Chris Aversano Support Our Podcast This episode is supported by Digital Ship, bringing maritime professionals the latest in digital innovation, connectivity, and technology across the industry. If you've found value in this episode, please rate us 5-stars and follow the show. Share it with someone in maritime and subscribe to the newsletter for more updates. Your support truly makes a difference.

    40 min
  7. Episode 132: How Cargill Thinks About Decarbonization, Risk, and the Future of Shipping with Jan Dieleman

    Mar 17

    Episode 132: How Cargill Thinks About Decarbonization, Risk, and the Future of Shipping with Jan Dieleman

    Episode 132: How Cargill Thinks About Decarbonization, Risk, and the Future of Shipping with Jan Dieleman Guest: Jan Dieleman President, Ocean Transportation — Cargill Chair, Global Maritime Forum Episode Overview In this episode of The Last Dinosaur, Chris Aversano speaks with Jan Dieleman, President of Ocean Transportation at Cargill and Chair of the Global Maritime Forum. Cargill charters hundreds of vessels across global trades at any given time, moving grains, energy products, and raw materials around the world. From that vantage point, Jan offers a unique charterer perspective on how shipping decisions are made. Hint: it is often long before those decisions become visible to the broader market. At a time when tensions around Iran and the Strait of Hormuz continue to create uncertainty for global shipping and energy flows, the conversation explores how leaders in shipping actually make decisions in real time. The discussion touches on the commercial realities behind maritime decarbonization, how large organizations approach experimentation with new technologies, and why decision-making in shipping often requires acting on imperfect information. Chris and Jan also discuss the role of data in modern shipping, the challenge of balancing analysis with action during geopolitical disruptions, and why maritime remains one of the most essential yet often overlooked industries in the global economy. Chapters 00:00 Intro & Sponsor 01:30 Navigating the Evolving Maritime Landscape 03:09 Jan Dieleman's Journey in Shipping 05:57 Bridging the Gap: Charterers and Owners 10:31 Decarbonization: A Collaborative Journey 13:39 The Economics of Decarbonization 18:44 Experimentation and Transparency in Shipping 22:18 Diverse Dynamics in Maritime Industries 26:33 The Role of Data in Decision Making 31:39 Balancing Risk and Analysis in Leadership 34:23 Attracting Talent to the Maritime Industry 36:47 The Hidden Importance of Shipping Related Listening Episode 54: The Digital Evolution of Shipping with Scott Bergeron of Oldendorff Carriers Sponsor This episode is sponsored by Smart Ship Hub, helping shipowners and operators turn vessel data into measurable operational improvements across their fleets. Want to learn more about sponsoring an episode?  Contact my friends at Digital Ship. Tune In Available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube Music by: Peg and The Rejected — King of Ska Artwork by: GA Design Produced by: Chris Aversano Support the Podcast If you found value in this episode: • Follow The Last Dinosaur on Spotify or Apple Podcasts • Leave a 5-star review • Share the episode with someone in the maritime industry You can also support the show through Buy Me a Coffee. Stay curious, stay salty. 🦕⚓

    41 min
  8. Episode 131: Driving Change in Maritime, and Why Port Calls Still Feel Like Orchestrated Chaos

    Mar 3

    Episode 131: Driving Change in Maritime, and Why Port Calls Still Feel Like Orchestrated Chaos

    Episode 131: Driving Change in Maritime, and Why Port Calls Still Feel Like Orchestrated Chaos Guest: Léon Gommans, CEO and Co-Founder, Teqplay Also: Host of the vodcast Driving Change in Maritime with Teqplay Special Note: This is a co-produced episode and will be released on both The Last Dinosaur and Teqplay's vodcast Driving Change in Maritime with Teqplay Episode Overview: This one is a true back and forth. Léon and Chris co-host a joint episode that moves from the reality of port call complexity to why "visibility" is still surprisingly hard, and how digital twins can make maritime data usable in the moments that matter. They also dig into transparency, trust, AI, talent, and why the industry's relationship DNA is not going anywhere. Key Discussion Highlights (short + punchy): 28 stakeholders in a single port call: Why port calls are coordinated systems, not simple arrivals. Digital twin, not another dashboard: Combining AIS, port context, and processes into something actionable. Paperwork is still the drag: How manual documentation persists despite the cost of waiting. "Ships dropping out of the air": The visibility gap that should not exist in a connected world. Transparency creates tension: When operational timestamps feel proprietary and why that is changing. AI changes the hiding game: If data is out there, it is increasingly hard to keep it invisible. Speed of change is uneven: Big players move first, but smaller firms are surprising everyone. Talent is a long game: Programs, hackathons, and the small steps that compound into change. Trust is the unlock: Shifting from default distrust to shared efficiency and predictability. Learn More: Teqplay's vodcast: Driving Change in Maritime with Teqplay (this episode will be posted there as well). Tune in Now: Available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and more. Watch the episode on YouTube. Music by: Peg and The Rejected "King of SKA" Art Work By: GA Design Produced by: Chris Aversano Support Our Podcast: If you've found value in this episode, please rate us 5-stars and follow. Subscribe to the newsletter for more updates. Sponsorship and Advertising: Interested in sponsoring an episode or advertising with The Last Dinosaur? Reach out via DigitalShip to explore options and audience packages.

    45 min
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Maritime Digital Evolution with Chris Aversano Dive deep into the maritime world's digital transformation with Chris Aversano, a seasoned maritime professional with three decades of experience both on shore and at sea. Recognizing that the maritime sector has been one of the last to fully embrace the digital age, Chris delves into the pivotal changes now underway. Join Chris as he engages with the trailblazers, innovators, investors, and thought leaders who are steering the maritime industry into the digital future. Whether you're a maritime enthusiast, a tech aficionado, or someone curious about both realms, this podcast promises insightful discussions and a fresh perspective on the maritime digital frontier. Tune in and embark on a journey to explore the digital waves reshaping the maritime world.

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