Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em Podcast

Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em

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  1. 5d ago

    275. The Very Dark Side of Celebrity

    This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com Nancy and Sarah discuss a Netflix documentary called The Unabomber in His Own Words, which came out years ago but has taken on new depth in our current mess. Ted Kaczynski’s random violence and mythologizing finds echoes in the Luigi Mangione case and the bizarre heroizing of Lindsay Clancy, who killed her three children. The journo babes talk revolutionaries vs. terrorists, how humans are still evolving, why American can never find the middle ground, and whether AI is an extinction-level event. So: A lighthearted episode! Still there’s no end of laughs, or Sarah’s nicotine gum pouches. Also discussed: * Supergraphics! * Fetterman at the RNC * I mean, Trump could’ve just thrown Trump steaks at the audience * Nancy is was a Netflix freeloader * The Unabomber-Antifa connection * Going no-phone is the new straight edge * Big love (always) for Bryan Burroughs * The New York Times calls Assata Shakur a “revolutionary” in obit, SMH * Sarah talks about wearing a “baklava,” because she’s a Dallas girl * Nancy devotes her entire future to writing the definitive book on MovieFone * The Babe-vegetarian connection * “We can just f*ck off climate change then” * Sarah jinxes herself in a contest by declaring if she wins, she’ll wear a white suit Plus, are geniuses sadists (paging Jon Ronson), we love Pam Colloff (again and always), another installment of “This Week in Kyle Chandler” (finally!) and much more! The world is rough. Being a paid subscriber is easy DON’T MISS: Sarah is teaching a writing workshop. You can join! Details here.

  2. Sep 1

    273. Ethan Strauss on How We’re Werewolves In the AI Revolution

    This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com Nancy and Sarah welcome Ethan “crackerjack mouth” Strauss back to Smoke ‘Em for round three, this time inspired by his recent piece about a fake 49ers player who scammed scores of women out of more than a million dollars. Dark? Yes. Also hilarious, in terms of perpetrator Daejon Love’s come ons, e.g., telling women his family owned part of the Gucci store “on Saks Fifth Avenue.” They also talk Ethan’s recent “get that nose to the grindstone, kids” piece about making money in sports media, how to help your aging parents not get scammed, and whether anyone on the panel cares what people think of them. (Spoiler: 1.5 yes/1.5 no.) Also discussed: * Katie Herzog retools her addition to help others * “Unnecessary cleavage” * Ethan as Chuck Klosterman of the week * Daejon Love is nowhere near as hot as Napoleon * “I was a white girl on Tinder” * “Necessity is the motherf**ker of invention.” * Some love for The Gift of Fear * The iPhone as elder abuse * Cary Grant, anyone? Anyone? Plus, football as an old-fashioned striptease, baseball as a good sport to do your taxes to, why Gen Alpha likes golf best, and much more! Oh hello, Sarah’s upcoming book is AN OPRAH PICK! Buy it now xx Memoirist Hepola returns after her acclaimed recovery memoir, Blackout, with a wickedly lovable account of three lost loves: a married man, a younger man, and a New Orleans cop she once believed was the man of her dreams. The title arrives when she phones the married guy for advice about dealing with his 29-year-old successor. “I’m scared I only want what I can’t have,” she tells the ex. “Oh baby,” he replies, “It’s the only thing there is to want.” This line feels to Hepola like a skeleton key to her existence, unlocking the surprising amount of pleasure (not to mention the very good stories) one can find on the path of an apparently hopeless quest. Hepola’s self-deprecating candor and perfectly paced storytelling make this book anything but the boohoo-fest you might imagine. Possibly the perfect gift for a friend going through a breakup. About that unnecessary cleavage…

  3. Aug 26

    271. Everyone Loves Dolly. Nancy Hates GREASE

    This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com For her birthday today, Sarah had one request: Please, Nancy, will you PLEASE watch the 1978 super-musical that launched a million imitations, the much-cherished film that Sarah calls “Star Wars for girls” and one of her all-time favorites? As the poet says: Grease is the word. So, how’d that go? But first, the gals talk about the unrivaled beautiful soul of Dolly Parton, whose death at 80 arrived yesterday. The tributes poured in (Eminem?), and there can never be enough, but the passing feels culturally momentous. Is this the unofficial end of the America century — or the American dream? Also discussed: * “WTF did Jolene look like?!” * “Swagoo” * The Osmonds weren’t slutty, as far as we know * Newsflash: the feminists didn’t like a woman * “Bite the weenie, Rizzo.” / “With relish.” * Sarah punts her mother to voicemail * The awesomeness of telling men they are handsome * “Smell my Calvins”? * The wonder of John Travolta dancing. * Sarah casts a Heterodox Grease: Moynihan as Kenicke, Rosenfield as Marty, Rommelmann as Frenchy. (Sarah as Sandy, obvs.) * BUT WHO PLAYS DANNY? One hint: Three men — a sweetheart and genius of a podcaster, an Italian stallion, and a brainiac born to hand jive, babeeee Plus, Nancy counteracts Grease with another ‘80s classic, what it’s like growing up in the eye of the (imaginary) camera, Dolly’s letter to Eminem, and more! Do you love Dolly? Are you a human being? Become a paid subscriber. Pre-order Sarah’s new book. Even Oprah loves it (or, someone adjacent to Oprah) Oprah’s Daily Picks: The Best Books of Fall 2026

  4. Aug 23

    Pie Talk #47: “Your Mom’s Red Sauce” Redux

    Good morning. Many times in the past few years, including the dark times of 2020, I have thought how easy it is to turn your face to the sun, if you remember it is there and if you choose to. I watched the sunrise just before I recorded this for you. My mother had died two days earlier, there is always a lot to do in the wake of someone’s death, and it was the first time I was alone and thinking of her, and also how much she would have liked the hot tub I was in at that moment and which we bought the year before, how she for sure would have been getting in and out of it and insisting on doing so naked and not caring who saw her. Mom, she had a thing for being naked, to wit: Mom [around 1998]: Nancy, I am going to a nudist camp, why don’t you come with me? Me: Oh my god mom, no… Mom: It will be fun! You can write about it. I declined, with prejudice. Mom of course went. She never flagged in her commitment to walking around without her clothes on. Anyone following along here knows my mom has been leaving us for several years, what I have come to think of as the long linger. At least a half-dozen times I drove away from the property thinking, that is the last time I will see her… But it never was, she was the unsinkable Kathy Hayes until this past Monday. As my friend Deb later said, “She found her way home.” I am taking a lot of comfort from that. As you will hear in the audio, I was given a sign the day before… This one’s a freebie. Subscribe for weekly Pie Talks, Smoking Diaries, and all other Smoke ‘Em episodes and niceties I started seeing hawks as messengers just after Tim’s dad died. We were with him when he passed, in a hospital in Houston, which I wrote about in a “Modern Love” essay. I would be running in, say, Griffith Park, thinking about something difficult, and there a hawk would be, circling above me. Since Tim’s death in 2019, he’s taken over the messengering. At least that’s what I think. Anyway, this hawk was going at it all day last Sunday. There are a gazillion birds upstate but a hawk’s cry is very distinct. On Monday afternoon, I was just coming back from a visit with Jon Ronson—whose latest book, The Castle: Adventures in the World of Unraveling Me, drops next week so go get that—when I pulled into the driveway and saw the hawk sitting there. It was a red-tailed hawk, in no hurry to move. It eventually did, keening as it flew north, then came back in the early evening, while I was sitting on the front steps soon after learning about my mom’s death. Cooking for me is comfort and a solace. I don’t think it was that way for Mom, she was too hyper, a get-’er-done cook as opposed to a lingerer, read all about it, and her. I gave you all the recipe for her red sauce on Pie Talk #4, in March 2023. Many changes since, including the featured image of the Melania painting now hanging in the studio where The Fifth Column guys record, and the Chinatown apartment being no more, or no more for me, though it has passed on to someone in the extended chosen family, which makes us all happy, it’s a rad pad with very, very good juju. For now, I leave you with Mom’s Red Sauce. Please do make it, her gift to you. Let me know how it turns out xx “Your Mom’s Red Sauce” I’m calling it this because that’s how people always ask me for it. You are making a lot of sauce here, enough for several meals and several quarts for the freezer. This is also enough for one honkin’ big lasagna, and about that: When making lasagna, go for full-fat ricotta and mozzarella. How you make lasagna, you say? Like this: In a very large baking pan, layer sauce, al dente cooked lasagna noodles, egg-size globs of ricotta, slices of mozzarella, repeat and repeat. The finished product will weigh about 8 pounds. Bake it at 350, loosely covered with foil, for about an hour, then remove foil and bake another 30 minutes, until top layer of cheese is all melty and browning. This will feed at least 10 - 12 people, who as the years go by will ask you please to make it again x * Olive oil, 4 - 6 T. * 2 large yellow onions, chopped * 2 cloves garlic, chopped * 2 pounds hamburger meat, 80/20% fat * 5 cans (29-ounce) Hunt’s Tomato Sauce. Yes, I know some of you want to use an Italian brand, or something organic. You do you but that’s not the sauce, and if I had a nickel for every person I’ve given this recipe to who later said,”It didn’t taste like yours...” and then admitted they did not, as specifically instructed, use the Hunt’s, I’d have about 65-cents. Try it this way first and then go fancify! * 2 T. dried oregano, 1 T. dried basil if you have some, 2 bay leaves In a large heavy-bottom sauce pot (not “sauce pan” as I repeatedly said in the audio), heat the olive oil over medium-heat. Add the onion and cook until translucent and with some brown bits, stirring occasionally. Add garlic and cook about a minute, stirring. Try not to burn the garlic (... she writes, often doing so herself.) Break up hamburger with your fingers and drop into the cooking onions. Don’t break it up too much; you want some hunks the size of whole walnuts, and don’t stir too much. Cook until the meat loses its pink and there are some brown bits. Pour in the sauce, crunch in the oregano and basil between your fingers, and add bay leaves. Stir the meat up from the bottom and bring the sauce to a simmer. Once it simmers, turn the flame as low as it will go, cover the pot but leave a tiny crack for steam to escape, and simmer, at least two hours, stirring from the bottom every 20 minutes or so, to avoid meat sticking to the bottom and scorching. Depending on your burner, a flame-tamer may be in order. The sauce originally called for three hours of simmering and by all means, go for it, but two hours is also fine. Remove from heat, eat some right away on hot pasta, let the rest cool and freeze or otherwise save for another day. Things people have added to good effect: Italian sausages for last hour of cooking (my mom), a splash of red wine and red pepper flakes (my former husband). Things people have put this sauce on other than pasta: bread in a bowl (everyone), salad (my late stepfather). This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com/subscribe

  5. Aug 19

    270. Warning: The Death Episode

    Nancy and Sarah talk about the death of Hayden Panatierre at the age of 36, which just so happens to be the age that Marilyn Monroe died. Sarah wants to know why child actors get an exception against laws preventing kids from working. Nancy spills the secrets on how they get babies to cry in the commercials — and it’s sad! The discuss addiction, postpartum depression, domestic abuse, and more. The ladies also discuss Nancy’s mom, who passed Monday (yesterday as of this writing). Kathy, we miss you already, and we thank you. Now, about that leather jumpsuit … Free episode: Invite your friends! Also discussed: * Nancy in the Morning™️ * Italians are Sarah’s favorite ethnic stereotype * Dax / Dak, whatever * Heroes = pre-Mad Men TV programming * Can a mother come back from losing custody of her children? * The mysteries of Marilyn Monroe’s death * Blackout drinking is “suicide for a night” * Everybody loves Xanax Plus, that time Nancy slept like a gunshot victim, our favorite Miranda Lambert jams, and much more. You know Smoke ‘Em has a YouTube channel, right? Where we post things like… Don’t be a dope. Become a paid subscriber. Has Sarah mentioned she has a book coming out Sept 29, and that pre-orders matter? Well, as Alanis says, you oughta know … PRE-ORDER THAT BAD BOY. Episode Notes: “Hayden Panetierre is Dead: Star of Nashville and Heroes Dies at 36,” New York Times obituary This is Me: A Reckoning, by Hayden Panittiere To the Bridge: A True Story of Motherhood and Murder, by Nancy Rommelmann What’s in your hot box? Sarah: Nancy: This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com/subscribe

  6. Aug 9

    269. The Nihilistic Glamour of '80s LA

    Nancy and Sarah discuss the Hulu/FX series The Shards, the new Bret Easton Ellis and Ryan Murphy jam. The 1981 LA vibes are right in Sarah’s sweet spot (Bonne Bell! Xanadu! The Go-Gos!). For Nancy, not so much, maybe because she lived it. They talk ennui and heroin overdoses and young people trying to prove nothing matters. Then it’s onto the recent shocking Perez Hilton livestream. Celebrity is a mask that eats into the face, in this case (all cases?), tragically. Also discussed: * Nightie Day! * “My mom’s poochie.” * Studio 54 days * Rich Angeleno kids = meh * Smoke ‘Em: Banned in Belarus! * Sarah doesn’t read Nancy’s existing books but asks her to write others * Wes Bentley’s eyebrows * Rich kid names (Homer, Igby, Kaia) * “Touch it!” * Who IS Perez Hilton? * Attention monsters of the Internet * Women with long and thick silver hair, swoon Plus, This Week in Kyle Chandler, a dystopic LA short story from Nancy (NB: which was just too gd long to post; it’s “X-Girl” in the collection), and much more! Attention please: Send us your letters! Subscribe to the YouTube. Buy Sarah’s book! Sign up for Sarah’s Substack LOVE ANYWAY. Do something. This one’s a freebie - go ahead and subscribe! Nancy tells the story of a destroyed Jamie Slovak showing up in her yard at 6am on a June morning in 1988. His brother Hillel, guitarist for the Red Hot Chili Peppers, had just overdosed, and Jamie, who spent a lot of time at Nancy’s West Hollywood house those days, needed comfort. Nancy has not seen Jamie in decades and was glad to learn just now that he is involved in this doc, which came out earlier this year. Episode Notes: “‘The Shards’ Soundtrack Is Incredible – Here’s Every Song From The First Two Episodes” (Elle/Yahoo) “Ryan Murphy and Bret Easton Ellis Team Up for FX’s Predictably Excess-Soaked Tale of Prep-School Sex, Drugs and Murder” (Hollywood Reporter) The Bad Mother: A Novel, by Nancy Rommelmann “Perez Hilton ‘Will Require Surgery’ After Live Stream Incident, Family Demands Media ‘Cease Photographing Perez’s Children’” (Variety) Official Family Statement on PerezHilton.com This Week in Kyle Chandler: What’s in your hot box? Nancy: Nike Training Club app Sarah: This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com/subscribe

  7. Aug 3

    268. The Odyssey Is a Real Odyssey, Man

    There’s this movie everyone is talking about, have you heard of it? The Odyssey, directed by Christopher Nolan, he of the sweeping historical sagas. Sarah’s theory is that it’s the male Barbie, with something for everyone. Whether the ultimate hero’s journey is still relevant in the age of TikTok might/might not be answered by the movie taking in $727+ million in its first 12 days. Nancy and Sarah debate whether the three-hour film is too long (no/yes), whether it needed the Eliot Page character (yes/no), and did Nolan drop the ball on the Sirens (YES!!!!). Sarah delivers some light and loving pushback on the recent episode about Fauci. Then, what do people say behind your back? Sarah and Nancy ponder. Also, we introduce a new segment, "This Week in Kyle Chandler” because … Kyle Chandler. Also discussed: * Grease is the word. * Kaboodles are still a thing * Mary Katharine Ham is a star * “It’s gross how cute you are.” * “Fauci was rubbing it …” * Cat Damon!! * You’re welcome back any time, Scott Greenfield * Sarah refuses to pronounce Ross Douthat’s name properly until he comes on the pod * No sex for Circe * Samantha Morton is not Emily Watson … * “Sarah with the t**s, Nancy with the eyes” Plus, why Nancy and Sarah are taking a road trip to a ranch near Austin, Nancy on that weird Stockard Channing movie, a hot box where every relationship is transactional, and much more! Paid subscribers get a picture of a cat that looks like Matt Damon, what more can we say? “I wonder if I can get people to click over and subscribe to the Smoke ‘Em YouTube?” Episode Notes: Cast your female podcasters (L to R): Frenchie, Rizzo, Marty Totally appropriate after-school movie in 1973 … “It Is Banal, Bland, Thin and Didactic. We Can’t Stop Talking About It,” Ross Douthat on The Odyssey (New York Times) ICYMI the indomitable Mary Katharine Ham (full epi here): “Fauci and the Fifth,” by Scott Greenfield (Simple Justice blog) “What's the bad thing people say about you?,” by Esther (The Spike Substack) Never sleep on Helen Lewis … “First Look Inside Men’s Journal’s Summer Entertainment Special With Kyle Chandler” (Men’s Journal) What’s in your hot box? Nancy: There’s a Bear in the House! by Walter Kirn (audio) Regarding the bear that showed up at Nancy’s Mom’s… Sarah: This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com/subscribe

    268. The Odyssey Is a Real Odyssey, Man
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