Both/And: A Sexual Violence Prevention Podcast

Jess Clark
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Deep dive conversations on sexual violence prevention! Jess Clark, Director of Sexual Violence Prevention for the New Mexico Coalition of Sexual Assault Programs interviews experts in the field, authors, musicians, educators, podcasters, and organizers on what sexual violence prevention can look like in our daily lives. Jess can be reached at jessc@nmcsap.org

  1. 4d ago

    Cultural Capital Doesn't Pay the Rent with Jessica Lawless

    So often, we are met with the reality that systems are very much not set up to acknowledge our identities, or see us in our full contexts, which leads to a serious lack of ability to meet even our basic needs.  Today's guest, Jessica Lawless is no stranger to the failure of systems. When her friend, Mia Zapata, was sexually assaulted and murdered, Jessica and the community who loved Mia were left with a clear understanding that they couldn't wait for institutions to save them. From that, came Home Alive, a DIY, punk rock-infused, community self defense organization that took hold in the 90s and helped lay the foundation of the anti-violence movement as we know it today.  In my conversation with Jessica, we dig into her book, Cultural Capital Doesn't Pay the Rent, and walk through what it means to be personally impacted by the work we do as professionals, the lessons we can learn from DIY movements, and letting go of pre-prescribed notions of what it looks like to "make it" in our current world.  Links: Cultural Capital Doesn't Pay the Rent  Ariel Gore Mattilda Bernstein Sycamore Arrested Justice: Black Women, Violence, and America's Prison Nation  The Purpose of Power Angela Davis, an Autobiography Home Alive Both/And is a project of the New Mexico Coalition of Sexual Assault Programs.     www.nmcsap.org   Need support? Call, text, or chat the NM Sexual Assault Helpline at 1-844-NMSAHLP | 1-844-667-2457 | www.nmsahelp.org Intro music: "Can't Get Enough Sunlight" written and recorded by Michelle Chamuel http://michellechamuel.com/ Logo: Alex Ross-Reed Produced by: Jess Clark Edited By: Dacia Clay at Pillow Fort Studios https://www.pillowfortpodcasts.com

  2. Jun 26

    Conflict is Not Abuse with Sarah Schulman

    Even if you are unfamiliar with today's guest, novelist, playwright, screenwriter, nonfiction writer and AIDS historian Sarah Schulman, there’s a very good chance that you have been influenced by her work. Her ideas and approach to activism have become woven into our collective awareness in a way that makes people of so many different experiences and perspectives sit up and pay attention. In a world that is increasingly either/or, Schulman’s nuance and emphasis on concrete effectiveness and the need to look at situations within their context instead of as caricatures drawn to reinforce dominant narratives make her a perfect guest for Both/And. In our conversation, we explore how her book, Conflict is Not Abuse can inform our approach to our prevention practices, our interpersonal dealings, and our efforts to confront systemic harm. I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did!  Sarah Schulman teaches Creative Writing (Nonfiction and Fiction) with an emphasis on manuscript development. She is a novelist, playwright, screenwriter, nonfiction writer and AIDS historian. Sarah is a native New Yorker, born in 1958, who started as a journalist in the grassroots lesbian, gay and feminist press in 1979. That year she became active in the Reproductive Rights Movement, working for abortion rights and against sterilization abuse. Her first plays were produced as part of the Downtown Arts Scene of the 1980's, and her first novel was published in 1984. In 1986 Sarah and her longtime collaborator Jim Hubbard started MIX:The Queer Experimental Film and Video Festival which lasted for 33 years. She has been a collaborator on many experimental films, including screenwriter or co-screenwriter for 4 features: The Owls (dir. Cheryl Dunye), Mommy Is Coming (dir. Cheryl Dunye), Jason and Shirley (dir. Stephen Winter) and United In Anger: A History of ACT UP (dir. Jim Hubbard.) Her films have shown in Theatrical Distribution and  at The Berlin Film Festival, Hot Docs, Bamfest, The Museum of Modern Art, Outfest, and on the Criterian Collection. She was a member of ACT UP, New York from 1987 to 1992, and a co-founder of the Lesbian Avengers. Today she serves on the Advisory Board of Jewish Voice for Peace and is co-director of The ACT UP Oral History Project.  She is the author of 21 books, including novels in multiple genres: historical fiction, literary fiction, experimental work, detective novels, speculative fiction. Sarah’s work as a journalist, activist, and novelist is extensively discussed in “Queer Kinship in Sarah Schulman’s AIDS Novels” (Routledge 2024), a research monograph juxtaposing the works about the AIDS epidemic. In 2002, Sarah became an "Uptown" playwright with the world premiere of her play CARSON McCULLERS (dir. Marion McClinton) followed by MANIC FLIGHT REACTION (w/ Deirdre O'Connell), both at Playwrights Horizons. Her play THE BURNING DECK (w/ Diane Venora) was performed at the La Jolla Playhouse, her adaptation of IB Singer's ENEMIES, A LOVE STORY (w/ Morgan Spector) premiered at the Wilma Theater and THE LADY HAMLET opened at The Provincetown Theater (dir. by David Drake, W/ Jennifer Van Dyck.) Her plays have been developed at The Goodman Theater, The Cleveland Playhouse, The Berkshire Theater Festival, The Vineyard, The Roundabout, and many other theaters. LINKS: Conflict is not Abuse Overstating Harm, Community Responsibility, and the Duty of Repair United in Anger A history of ACT-UP ACT-UP Oral History Project Let the Record Show A Political History of ACT UP New York, 1987-1993 The Fantasy and Necessity of Solidarity  People in Trouble  How to Survive the End of the World episode with Sarah Schulman  Building Resilient Organizations Both/And is a project of the New Mexico Coalition of Sexual Assault Programs.     www.nmcsap.org   Need support? Call, text, or chat the NM Sexual Assault Helpline at 1-844-NMSAHLP | 1-844-667-2457 | www.nmsahelp.org Intro music: "Can't Get Enough Sunlight" written and recorded by Michelle Chamuel http://michellechamuel.com/ Logo: Alex Ross-Reed Produced by: Jess Clark Edited By: Dacia Clay at Pillow Fort Studios https://www.pillowfortpodcasts.com

  3. May 19

    Ruining "The Moment" with Erin Tillman

    When we talk about consent in community or in school classrooms or as commentary on social media, one of the common refrains is “but it’ll ruin the moment!”. This idea of “the moment” has been in large part created and reinforced by the movies and tv we have grown up with. In recent years, the creation of that moment has been given extra care and consideration by hiring Intimacy Coordinators.  Erin Tillman, CEO of Relational Equity Group, is, among many things, a Certified Intimacy Coordinator who works to facilitate conversations around boundaries and safety, while also being a cheerleader for the creative process. In this episode, Erin and I dive into why intimacy coordination exists in the first place, the relationship between comprehensive sexuality education and media, and the lessons we can all learn from intimacy coordination. I hope you enjoy! Links: Find Erin HERE!  Both/And is a project of the New Mexico Coalition of Sexual Assault Programs.     www.nmcsap.org   Need support? Call, text, or chat the NM Sexual Assault Helpline at 1-844-NMSAHLP | 1-844-667-2457 | www.nmsahelp.org Intro music: "Can't Get Enough Sunlight" written and recorded by Michelle Chamuel http://michellechamuel.com/ Logo: Alex Ross-Reed Produced by: Jess Clark Edited By: Dacia Clay at Pillow Fort Studios https://www.pillowfortpodcasts.com

  4. Feb 20

    Public Education as a Site of Community Transformation with Kate Noble

    Have you ever wanted to make a change in your community and not known where to start? Do you have children? Have you ever cared about traffic or where alcohol can be sold or food insecurity or mental health or flu vaccinations or access to books? Your community public schools are the place where you can have an impact on every one of those issues and so much more. In this episode, I spoke with Kate Noble, President of the Santa Fe Public School Board and CEO of Growing up New Mexico about public Schools as the foundation for community wellness. Kate is brilliant and funny and deeply passionate about public education.  Kate Noble was born in Santa Fe and got a wonderful education in the Santa Fe Public Schools. She graduated from Santa Fe High School and attended Columbia University in New York City, graduating with a Bachelor of Arts in Film Studies. Kate spent 10 years at the BBC’s Business News Desk as a producer, reporter and anchor. She then returned to Santa Fe and began working for the City of Santa Fe in economic and community development, where she focused on growing local businesses and local talent. She joined Growing Up New Mexico, an early childhood community organization, in 2018, and became CEO in 2023. She is proud to have her son in the Santa Fe Public Schools and considers him her greatest teacher. Kate has spent the last eight and a half years serving on the SFPS Board. She believes in the power of running a good meeting, and values the different viewpoints of fellow Board Members. She is proud of the progress made during her time on the Board including increases in graduation rates, and raises for staff.  Both/And is a project of the New Mexico Coalition of Sexual Assault Programs.     www.nmcsap.org   Need support? Call, text, or chat the NM Sexual Assault Helpline at 1-844-NMSAHLP | 1-844-667-2457 | www.nmsahelp.org Intro music: "Can't Get Enough Sunlight" written and recorded by Michelle Chamuel http://michellechamuel.com/ Logo: Alex Ross-Reed Produced by: Jess Clark Edited By: Dacia Clay at Pillow Fort Studios https://www.pillowfortpodcasts.com

  5. Jan 13

    Protecting Title IX with Shiwali Patel

    What would you do if a house is on fire and the firefighters on the scene not only refuse to put it out, they joyfully add fuel to it while joking about how great it was to start the fire in the first place? After talking with today’s guest, Shiwali Patel, Senior Director of Education Justice at the National Women’s Law Center, about protecting students under Title IX, this is the scenario that came to mind for me. Thankfully, when faced with the endless challenges of navigating systems that are being increasingly weaponized against the very people they were meant to protect, Shiwali doesn’t run from the fire. She is equipped with years of experience, a deep well of passion, and a belief that even as systems are falling apart around us, we can still make meaningful change and protect students.  Shiwali Patel (she/her) is the Senior Director of Education Justice at the National Women’s Law Center where she oversees advocacy addressing sex-based harassment in schools and works to strengthen civil rights protections for LGBTQI+ students and advocates broadly for civil rights in education. Previously, she was at the U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights (OCR), where she worked on policy and guidance interpreting Title IX protections, including schools' responsibilities in responding to sexual harassment, protections for transgender students, and the rights of girls of color. Shiwali was also an Administrative Judge at the U.S. Department of Energy, a Special Assistant U.S. Attorney in D.C. in the Sex Offense and Domestic Violence Unit, a judicial law clerk, and a community educator at the D.C. Rape Crisis Center. Shiwali currently serves as the Co-Chair of the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights’ Education Task Force and on the Board of Directors of Callisto. She is also an adjunct professor at American University where she teaches Gender and Law, and Sex Discrimination in Education at the law school. Links: The Lawyer who Can’t Let it Go Defending Trans Women’s Rights The Midlife Crisis of Title IX Don’t Believe Betsy DeVos The Proposed Title IX Rules Make No Practical, Moral, or Legal Sense Years Later, We Must Amend Title IX to End Sex-Based Harassment in Schools Ending Sexual Violence 50 Years After Title IX Both/And is a project of the New Mexico Coalition of Sexual Assault Programs.     www.nmcsap.org   Need support? Call, text, or chat the NM Sexual Assault Helpline at 1-844-NMSAHLP | 1-844-667-2457 | www.nmsahelp.org Intro music: "Can't Get Enough Sunlight" written and recorded by Michelle Chamuel http://michellechamuel.com/ Logo: Alex Ross-Reed Produced by: Jess Clark Edited By: Dacia Clay at Pillow Fort Studios https://www.pillowfortpodcasts.com

  6. 09/23/2025

    The Liberatory Power of Sex Ed with Jacyln Friedman

    “We don’t have a problem with support for sex ed in this country, we have a problem with prioritizing it, and making it an issue that they want to stick their neck out on. We have an action problem” In this episode, I had the absolute joy of speaking with Jaclyn Friedman, author, organizer, and Executive Director of EducateUS, a movement working to bring about a complete transformation of K-12 public sex education in the United States, in order to foster a new generation of Americans who are secure in their own bodily sovereignty, recognize and respect that sovereignty in everyone else regardless of race, place, creed, class or gender, know all the essential facts about how bodies work, and are fully prepared to build loving relationships with themselves and others. Jaclyn and I took a deep dive into comprehensive sex ed as a liberatory and anti-authoritarian tool that creates change far beyond the high school classroom.  EducateUS is led by Founder and Executive Director Jaclyn Friedman, a lifelong activist, advocate and organizer. Friedman’s work has globally popularized the affirmative consent standard of sexual consent. Her first book, Yes Means Yes: Visions of Female Sexual Power and a World Without Rape, was one of Publisher’s Weekly’s Top 100 Books of 2009, and has inspired new laws in five U.S. states, as well as policies on countless campuses across the country and the world. She also spearheaded the legendary #FBrape campaign, which forced Facebook to address and exclude content that promotes or trivializes violence against women under their hate speech policy, and is founder and former executive director of Women, Action & the Media (WAM!). LINKS: Drinking and rape lets wise up about it Educate US Action  Yes Means Yes: Visions of Female Power and a World Without Rape Unscrewed: Women, Sex, Power, and How to Stop Letting the System Screw Us All What You Really Really Want: The Smart Girl's Shame-Free Guide to Sex and Safety Believe Me: How Trusting Women Can Change the World Sex Ed For Social Change Both/And is a project of the New Mexico Coalition of Sexual Assault Programs.     www.nmcsap.org   Need support? Call, text, or chat the NM Sexual Assault Helpline at 1-844-NMSAHLP | 1-844-667-2457 | www.nmsahelp.org Intro music: "Can't Get Enough Sunlight" written and recorded by Michelle Chamuel http://michellechamuel.com/ Logo: Alex Ross-Reed Produced by: Jess Clark Edited By: Dacia Clay at Pillow Fort Studios https://www.pillowfortpodcasts.com

  7. 01/10/2025

    Framing Sexual Violence with Julie Sweetland

    In my time doing prevention, I have spent an unreasonable number of hours thinking about why people can’t just get it! Why can’t they see that our positions on violence and oppression are rational and moral and just…right!? Well, it turns out that when it comes to social change, how we communicate an idea is often just as important as the idea itself. Today's guest, Dr. Julie Sweetland is a sociolinguist and a senior advisor at the FrameWorks Institute. She is an expert in framing research and strategy, and in this conversation, she was able to answer those questions for me and give me a clearer path forward in framing that actually works.  Since joining FrameWorks in 2012, Dr. Sweetland has designed and led reframing initiatives on climate change, education equity, childhood adversity, and more. Her skill in translating framing research into communication strategy has helped advocates, policymakers, and scientists drive change at the national, state, and grassroots levels. Since 2017, Julie has worked primarily with the public health sector, bringing the science and strategy of framing to health topics like health equity, tobacco control, maternal mortality, and childhood vaccination. Prior to joining FrameWorks, Julie spent over a decade working in education reform as a classroom teacher, teacher educator, and advocate. At Center for Inspired Teaching, she designed an innovative teacher residency which has since trained hundreds of progressive educators who work throughout DC public schools. Julie’s linguistic research has focused on the intersection of language and race, with a particular focus on how language can be used to disrupt racism in schools and beyond. Her research has appeared in Journal of Sociolinguistics, Educational Researcher, and she is the co-author of African American, Creole, and Other Vernacular Englishes in Education. Dr. Sweetland is a graduate of Georgetown University and completed her MA and PhD in linguistics at Stanford University. LINKS: Frameworks Compassion Fatigue Water use in Santa Fe, NM over 20 years. Both/And is a project of the New Mexico Coalition of Sexual Assault Programs.     www.nmcsap.org   Need support? Call, text, or chat the NM Sexual Assault Helpline at 1-844-NMSAHLP | 1-844-667-2457 | www.nmsahelp.org Intro music: "Can't Get Enough Sunlight" written and recorded by Michelle Chamuel http://michellechamuel.com/ Logo: Alex Ross-Reed Produced by: Jess Clark Edited By: Dacia Clay at Pillow Fort Studios https://www.pillowfortpodcasts.com

  8. 09/20/2024

    Dignity, Community Care, and Paid Family Medical Leave with Josephine Kalipeni

    Many individuals and organizations across the country have been working for years to enact policies that ensure workers are able to do things like care for themselves or a loved one when they are ill, be home with a newborn during those crucial first few months, spend time with a dying family member, or heal from the trauma of sexual or intimate partner violence - And all without worrying about losing their paycheck. While to many, policies like Paid Family Medical Leave and Paid Safe Days seem like a basic human decency that we all deserve, the fight for such policies has been anything but easy.  Today's guest, Josephine Kalipeni is one of the leaders navigating this fight across the country. From a local organizer, to consulting, to executive level leadership, Josephine Kalipeni has been working in economic, racial, and gender justice policy and advocacy for more than 20 years. Born in Malawi and raised in the Midwest by immigrant parents, (and as the oldest of six children) Josie has personally navigated immigration, a bicultural identity, caregiving, and racism in Africa and North America. She initially worked in social work, where she witnessed systemic issues that drove her into progressive advocacy, particularly on issues of Medicaid, elder care, and caregiving. Josie is working to rethink traditional systems of work and leadership and ensure that everyone can give and receive care on their own terms. In this conversation, Josie and I explore how policies that increase economic supports for families are deeply connected to sexual violence prevention. More than that, though- we really dive into the idea that this country has decided who is and is not deserving of dignity when it comes to rest and care, and what we can do to change that.  LINKS: Don't Leave Your Friends Behind - Victoria Law and China Martens The Need for Paid Safe Leave & Model Legislative Language Emergent Strategy - Adrienne Marie Brown  Both/And is a project of the New Mexico Coalition of Sexual Assault Programs.     www.nmcsap.org   Need support? Call, text, or chat the NM Sexual Assault Helpline at 1-844-NMSAHLP | 1-844-667-2457 | www.nmsahelp.org Intro music: "Can't Get Enough Sunlight" written and recorded by Michelle Chamuel http://michellechamuel.com/ Logo: Alex Ross-Reed Produced by: Jess Clark Edited By: Dacia Clay at Pillow Fort Studios https://www.pillowfortpodcasts.com

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Deep dive conversations on sexual violence prevention! Jess Clark, Director of Sexual Violence Prevention for the New Mexico Coalition of Sexual Assault Programs interviews experts in the field, authors, musicians, educators, podcasters, and organizers on what sexual violence prevention can look like in our daily lives. Jess can be reached at jessc@nmcsap.org

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